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Mar 17th, 2018 at 10:00am
 
Homelessness growing worse in Australia, census data shows   Sad

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March 15 2018


The number of homeless people in Australia jumped by more than 14,000 — or 14 per cent — in the five years to 2016, according to census data which also reveals a "significant" increase in older women on the streets and a growing group living in overcrowded accommodation.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) said 116,000 people were homeless on census night in 2016, representing 50 homeless people per 10,000.
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    Tonight 116,427 will be homeless
    That's a 14 per cent increase in homelessness over 5 years
    Every day, 250 people are turned away from crisis centres across the country
    Homelessness increased in NSW, VIC and QLD
    There was a slight decline in the NT

Homeless people include those sleeping on the streets, in cars, at crisis centres and in overcrowded accommodation.

Paul Jelfs from the ABS said the number of women over 65 who had become homeless in the five years to the 2016 census was significant.

"This is probably related to things like domestic violence, social relationship breakdowns and economic status, where they just don't have enough money to support themselves, or sufficient superannuation," he said.

The statistics also showed people aged between 20 to 30 made up a quarter of all homeless.

"There's some really significant overcrowding in that space," Dr Jelfs said.

About 8,200 people across the country will be sleeping on the streets tonight, Dr Jelfs said, not including those in crisis accommodation or sleeping in cars or elsewhere.

The figures were no surprise to Jenny Smith, the chair of Homelessness Australia.

"[What] these figures tell us is what we know; homelessness is getting worse in Australia," she said.
The 'invisible homeless'

The ABS said the number of people staying in overcrowded places had seen one of the biggest increases.

The 2016 figure was up from 2011 by about 10,000, taking the number of people in overcrowded accommodation to 51,000.

"We're seeing severe overcrowding in homes where we would need to see an extra four bedrooms in a house to accommodate everyone properly," Dr Jelfs said.


Ms Smith said people in overcrowded accommodation were the "invisible homeless".

"We can see [homelessness] all around us with the rough sleeping that we see in all our cities and towns and, while it has grown, it's only 7 per cent of the problem," she said.

"These figures tell us that more people are sleeping on couches, have uncertain tenure in housing centres and are quadrupled up in severe overcrowded houses."

She said more needed to be done to increase affordable social housing.

"The costs of renting, paying the bills and putting food on the table just don't add up," Ms Smith said.

VincentCare Victoria chief executive John Blewonski called for a national strategy to address homelessness.

"We've seen a range of responses by state and local governments but the reality is we need a joined-up strategy," he said.

    "We need that led by the Federal Government stepping up to the plate and really responding to a national strategy that can get the sort of stock on the ground that we need to house the people we've been talking about today," he said.

"We're certainly aware of crisis — people living in housing crisis, the rough sleepers we see on the streets — but the significant numbers that stand behind those numbers are people who are in need of long-term, safe accommodation which can only be addressed through a national housing strategy."
Living in car 'embarrassing'

John Koutsintas is one of Australia's many homeless.

He sleeps in his car and uses the Ozanam Community Centre in North Melbourne regularly so he can have a shower and eat a sandwich made by volunteers.

    "It's frustrating. It gets cold, it gets hot. I can't move the car so I get parking tickets. It's embarrassing," he said.   



His car has been his home since his relationship broke down almost a year ago, and he is waiting to get into public housing.

"I'm at the top of the list and it's still a two-year wait," he said.   Sad

"I can't really get a job because I don't have clothes and I have to come here just to have a shower."

He said he had been a car detailer for 25 years and he hoped he would be able to get work once he had a fixed address and a roof over his head.
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Reply #1 - Mar 17th, 2018 at 11:28am
 
Yeah and too young for a pension . . . .shame australian politicians!

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Homelessness Growing Worse In Australia

Solution is simple;


I would advise all those who are homeless to declare themselves to be refugees. Housing will then be found for them.


As refugees arrive in Australia, what will they get?


Housing

Australia’s Humanitarian Settlement Services (HSS) program gives support to refugees on arrival, and throughout their initial settlement period, including finding accommodation and sourcing basic household goods such as kitchen equipment linen.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/when-refugees-arrive-in-australia--this-is-wha...

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With all that running around in the last two years, John Koutsintas should have applied for a job or two.
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The worst problem seems to be older people that are homeless. This should not be happening. They certainly arent able to get jobs from that position.

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What's wrong with the sons and daughters of Australia not looking after their elderly parents? Our wealth and status obsessed society is definitely bringing about the death of the Australian family.
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Well, while i am looking after my mum, i can see why most would not be able to. It costs a lot in time and money.

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So, it's the standard progressive solution then Borg. Make the tax payer foot the bill for the f#@k ups of individuals?
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Whats wrong with them getting whats due? The old generation now worked all their lives and paid into the pension and now it isnt enough to pay rent with. Also a lot of the homeless now are apparently middle aged women who have been looking after their kids and now have no skills for higher paying jobs that allow you to pay rent.

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An older person who has worked his entire life has received compulsory super contributions for the last twenty five years.  Between that, welfare, public housing, emergency services and the family; it's never enough. That's good I suppose;  I'm thinking of promoting up from working to skiving full-time, so I'll need the welfare increases, too.
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CAMPERS, CARAVANERS - GROWING BETTER IN AUSTRALIA



...meanwhile in a better part of the country, away from the crappy cities of stupidity. Campervaners, Caravaners, Grey Nomads, BackPackers and all-round Happy Tenters are enjoying the 'Homeless' lifestyle.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:24am:
An older person who has worked his entire life has received compulsory super contributions for the last twenty five years.  Between that, welfare, public housing, emergency services and the family; it's never enough. That's good I suppose;  I'm thinking of promoting up from working to skiving full-time, so I'll need the welfare increases, too.
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Super hasnt been there long enough for it to be enough for an older person who is now retired. It isnt "welfare" anyway since the pension was paid into by taxes.

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Jasin wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:43am:
CAMPERS, CARAVANERS - GROWING BETTER IN AUSTRALIA



...meanwhile in a better part of the country, away from the crappy cities of stupidity. Campervaners, Caravaners, Grey Nomads, BackPackers and all-round Happy Tenters are enjoying the 'Homeless' lifestyle.


Maybe. I have some friends who decided to retire and become grey nomads. After retiring from work they gave up their cheap flat on the gold coast and bought a bus to live in. Just about to leave when one of their parents became sick and needs looking after. Now they are stuck on the gold coast looking for somewhere to park every night. Not able to get a decent job (because of age) one has gone to driving taxis to try to supplement their income.

I am sure their story isnt unusual.

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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:42am:
What's wrong with the sons and daughters of Australia not looking after their elderly parents? Our wealth and status obsessed society is definitely bringing about the death of the Australian family.
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Who knows what their circumstances are. Maybe they are estranged from their family. maybe they don't have a family.

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Got it. Make us pay for their problems rather than fixing them themselves. (Them themselves...that's awesome!)

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:53am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:24am:
An older person who has worked his entire life has received compulsory super contributions for the last twenty five years.  Between that, welfare, public housing, emergency services and the family; it's never enough. That's good I suppose;  I'm thinking of promoting up from working to skiving full-time, so I'll need the welfare increases, too.
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Super hasnt been there long enough for it to be enough for an older person who is now retired. It isnt "welfare" anyway since the pension was paid into by taxes.

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It is welfare in  that it is not self-finded like super annuities. I'm all for the pension- I'm hoping it still exists when I retire. At the same time, if your in you're sixties or late fifties and ypur homelrss and on welfare; you probably haven't made the best use of your working years. At what point does a person's problems cease being the sole prioriyy of the tax payer.
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:57am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:43am:
CAMPERS, CARAVANERS - GROWING BETTER IN AUSTRALIA



...meanwhile in a better part of the country, away from the crappy cities of stupidity. Campervaners, Caravaners, Grey Nomads, BackPackers and all-round Happy Tenters are enjoying the 'Homeless' lifestyle.


Maybe. I have some friends who decided to retire and become grey nomads. After retiring from work they gave up their cheap flat on the gold coast and bought a bus to live in. Just about to leave when one of their parents became sick and needs looking after. Now they are stuck on the gold coast looking for somewhere to park every night. Not able to get a decent job (because of age) one has gone to driving taxis to try to supplement their income.

I am sure their story isnt unusual.

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All three could share a rental in a country town for @$200-250 a week. Three pensions would cover that with, what, $200-300 a week left-EACH. Just doesn't sound like INDIA poor., does it?
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:53am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:24am:
An older person who has worked his entire life has received compulsory super contributions for the last twenty five years.  Between that, welfare, public housing, emergency services and the family; it's never enough. That's good I suppose;  I'm thinking of promoting up from working to skiving full-time, so I'll need the welfare increases, too.
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Super hasnt been there long enough for it to be enough for an older person who is now retired. It isnt "welfare" anyway since the pension was paid into by taxes.

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It is welfare in  that it is not self-finded like super annuities. I'm all for the pension- I'm hoping it still exists when I retire. At the same time, if your in you're sixties or late fifties and ypur homelrss and on welfare; you probably haven't made the best use of your working years. At what point does a person's problems cease being the sole prioriyy of the tax payer.


If you were born after 1962
There is NO PENSION

you will have to live on welfare or your own savings.

This is a fact

But the insidious part is the the benefits of the pension, cheap Rego, cheap travel, cheap stuff
Will all be gone

The grubberment looks after their own not the taxpayer.

They are using propaganda to convince the young that pensioners are parasites and that we are no longer contributors after all our years of work

And the young are falling for it, hook line and sinker
Calling for homes to be asserted tested and such.

But it's a double edged sword
You will get an even worse deal with a 70 plus retirement age, without a pension.
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If a person born in 1962 started work at 18 and retired at 65, he will have received compulsory super contributions for 35 years. At on average of, say, $5000 per year, that works out to be $175,000. With welfare, medicare etc; it's still not India poor.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:32pm:
If a person born in 1962 started work at 18 and retired at 65, he will have received compulsory super contributions for 35 years. At on average of, say, $5000 per year, that works out to be $175,000. With welfare, medicare etc; it's still not India poor.


People born after 1962 are not the ones that are retired now.

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Reply #21 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:36pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:57am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:43am:
CAMPERS, CARAVANERS - GROWING BETTER IN AUSTRALIA



...meanwhile in a better part of the country, away from the crappy cities of stupidity. Campervaners, Caravaners, Grey Nomads, BackPackers and all-round Happy Tenters are enjoying the 'Homeless' lifestyle.


Maybe. I have some friends who decided to retire and become grey nomads. After retiring from work they gave up their cheap flat on the gold coast and bought a bus to live in. Just about to leave when one of their parents became sick and needs looking after. Now they are stuck on the gold coast looking for somewhere to park every night. Not able to get a decent job (because of age) one has gone to driving taxis to try to supplement their income.

I am sure their story isnt unusual.

Spot


All three could share a rental in a country town for @$200-250 a week. Three pensions would cover that with, what, $200-300 a week left-EACH. Just doesn't sound like INDIA poor., does it?


The mother is old and sick and needs looking after. Needs to be near the hospitals and doctors. I dont know how long she has lived where she is but most old people dont want to just up and move somewhere they dont know where their freinds arent.

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Reply #22 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:37pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:53am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:24am:
An older person who has worked his entire life has received compulsory super contributions for the last twenty five years.  Between that, welfare, public housing, emergency services and the family; it's never enough. That's good I suppose;  I'm thinking of promoting up from working to skiving full-time, so I'll need the welfare increases, too.
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Super hasnt been there long enough for it to be enough for an older person who is now retired. It isnt "welfare" anyway since the pension was paid into by taxes.

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It is welfare in  that it is not self-finded like super annuities. I'm all for the pension- I'm hoping it still exists when I retire. At the same time, if your in you're sixties or late fifties and ypur homelrss and on welfare; you probably haven't made the best use of your working years. At what point does a person's problems cease being the sole prioriyy of the tax payer.


Best use? Seriously? women couldnt get decent paying jobs in the 70s or even the 80s. They stayed home and looked after the kids.

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Reply #23 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:43pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:57am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:43am:
CAMPERS, CARAVANERS - GROWING BETTER IN AUSTRALIA



...meanwhile in a better part of the country, away from the crappy cities of stupidity. Campervaners, Caravaners, Grey Nomads, BackPackers and all-round Happy Tenters are enjoying the 'Homeless' lifestyle.


Maybe. I have some friends who decided to retire and become grey nomads. After retiring from work they gave up their cheap flat on the gold coast and bought a bus to live in. Just about to leave when one of their parents became sick and needs looking after. Now they are stuck on the gold coast looking for somewhere to park every night. Not able to get a decent job (because of age) one has gone to driving taxis to try to supplement their income.

I am sure their story isnt unusual.

Spot


All three could share a rental in a country town for @$200-250 a week. Three pensions would cover that with, what, $200-300 a week left-EACH. Just doesn't sound like INDIA poor., does it?


The mother is old and sick and needs looking after. Needs to be near the hospitals and doctors. I dont know how long she has lived where she is but most old people dont want to just up and move somewhere they dont know where their freinds arent.

Spot


Everything you post comes down to increasing welfare spending;  money that could be used on our hospitals, our schools. How about the NBN? Green energy? Nah! Pump more money into people who invariably haven't worked, haven't saved and have estranged themselves from their families. At the same time, there seem to be endless streams of non-working people slapping the pokies with their expensively tattoed-arms holding their expensives smart phones while smoking their expensive cigarettes and downing their expensive grog. Just not India poor.
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:37pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:53am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:24am:
An older person who has worked his entire life has received compulsory super contributions for the last twenty five years.  Between that, welfare, public housing, emergency services and the family; it's never enough. That's good I suppose;  I'm thinking of promoting up from working to skiving full-time, so I'll need the welfare increases, too.
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Super hasnt been there long enough for it to be enough for an older person who is now retired. It isnt "welfare" anyway since the pension was paid into by taxes.

Spot


It is welfare in  that it is not self-finded like super annuities. I'm all for the pension- I'm hoping it still exists when I retire. At the same time, if your in you're sixties or late fifties and ypur homelrss and on welfare; you probably haven't made the best use of your working years. At what point does a person's problems cease being the sole prioriyy of the tax payer.


Best use? Seriously? women couldnt get decent paying jobs in the 70s or even the 80s. They stayed home and looked after the kids.

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With all due respect, Spot, that's rubbish. My mother often earned more than my old man. Mum received super contributiins for the last twenty years of her working life.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:37pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:53am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 11:24am:
An older person who has worked his entire life has received compulsory super contributions for the last twenty five years.  Between that, welfare, public housing, emergency services and the family; it's never enough. That's good I suppose;  I'm thinking of promoting up from working to skiving full-time, so I'll need the welfare increases, too.
Hammer.


Super hasnt been there long enough for it to be enough for an older person who is now retired. It isnt "welfare" anyway since the pension was paid into by taxes.

Spot


It is welfare in  that it is not self-finded like super annuities. I'm all for the pension- I'm hoping it still exists when I retire. At the same time, if your in you're sixties or late fifties and ypur homelrss and on welfare; you probably haven't made the best use of your working years. At what point does a person's problems cease being the sole prioriyy of the tax payer.


Best use? Seriously? women couldnt get decent paying jobs in the 70s or even the 80s. They stayed home and looked after the kids.

Spot


With all due respect, Spot, that's rubbish. My mother often earned more than my old man. Mum received super contributiins for the last twenty years of her working life.
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That was rare

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I don't know about white collar professionals; but that was the case in every second household of us plebs in the working and lower middle classes.
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Reply #27 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 3:33pm
 
Politicians and very very well paid public servants get ridiculous pensions, non assett tested
How many billions are going to these parasites.
These parasites who are calling for the aged pension to be scrapped, but not their excessive pensions of course

Want to save billions
Assett test these worthless parasites.

Tax the multinationals
Tax industry fairly, without all the torts they get to avoid paying
Flat tax for all, regardless
25% for all no offs, buts Orr maybees

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I agree. Fumigate rich parasites and poor parasites.
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WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE.
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Anyway... I always try to remember we started our existence as wild animals in an unpredictable environment. The worm and the lion both have one thing in common; they have to get off their a.r.s.e.s or starve. Also, if you value freedom, you won't fall into that soft, Marxist brainwashing that dictates you're owed something just because the world is unfair. Work, struggle and strive to make your own world better. You can't do that if you're constantly looking down for the welfare safety net.
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Reply #31 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:53pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:46pm:
Anyway... I always try to remember we started our existence as wild animals in an unpredictable environment. The worm and the lion both have one thing in common; they have to get off their a.r.s.e.s or starve. Also, if you value freedom, you won't fall into that soft, Marxist brainwashing that dictates you're owed something just because the world is unfair. Work, struggle and strive to make your own world better. You can't do that if you're constantly looking down for the welfare safety net.



Tell that to our tinted tribesmen

You will be labelled a racist
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Many aborigines are slaves; not because they're black. They're slaves because they've surrendered to that all prevailing victim culture that our political and media elite have deemed to be helpful. I may be a  box cutter from Roti Hill, but I don't owe anyone for my lifestyle.
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KILL THEM.
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Reply #34 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 6:10pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:46pm:
Anyway... I always try to remember we started our existence as wild animals in an unpredictable environment. The worm and the lion both have one thing in common; they have to get off their a.r.s.e.s or starve.


Australian society has made it very hard to employ people, that is the problem.

Australia would be better served going back to a time when only one person per family needed to work, there was more work available back then.


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Reply #35 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 6:17pm
 
hatman92 wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 6:10pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:46pm:
Anyway... I always try to remember we started our existence as wild animals in an unpredictable environment. The worm and the lion both have one thing in common; they have to get off their a.r.s.e.s or starve.


Australian society has made it very hard to employ people, that is the problem.

Australia would be better served going back to a time when only one person per family needed to work, there was more work available back then.



Talk to your average Centrelink employee. There's a lot of people who are quite fussy when it comes to jobs. Rock up late to job interviews, tattoos and nose rings on full display. Text on your phone constantly and have days off a week after starting. Throw jobs in because you have to commute an hour to work. Knock back overtime and refuse tasks because they're beneath you. Then, when you quit or are fired, complain about who measly the dole is. Are we meant to feel sorry for these people?
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Double post.
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People become homeless for a variety of reasons.  People had to do that, running away from abusive husband or family.   You get a few loud homeless, who are into drugs and alcohol, but this does not represent the majority.  Health and mental illness is another good one. 

Elderlies are trapped in ever increasing housing cost.   If a person retired in 1990s, with 300k,  then he /she would have expected a good retirement.  However, looking forward 20 years down the track, their money is probably long gone, as the cost of living went up.  And now they are facing more cost, as their health deteriorates.   And this is happening EVERYWHERE.   Now Hammer can go around, and say oh, but I did this and I did that.  It does not help those who are in need.   And as a society, we cannot forsake the elders.  They are the ones that helped shape this country for us.   They paid for the roads and the systems in which we are born into. 
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One of the worst things a  poster on OP can do is stumble into a dialogue wiithout CAREFULLY reading the article that precipitated the thread and at least a few of the posts. There is no mention of mental health or health generally because the article is about public housing availability and welfare spending and not our health care system. Concentrating while reading the article would have informed you of that. I concede that homelessness is a problem (der), my argument is that simply throwing sit down money at people who won't help themselves is not the answer. What's more, it seems like it's allways well healed, mealy mouth do-gooders that think it is.
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Reply #39 - Mar 19th, 2018 at 1:21pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 19th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
One of the worst things a  poster on OP can do is stumble into a dialogue wiithout CAREFULLY reading the article that precipitated the thread and at least a few of the posts. There is no mention of mental health or health generally because the article is about public housing availability and welfare spending and not our health care system. Concentrating while reading the article would have informed you of that. I concede that homelessness is a problem (der), my argument is that simply throwing sit down money at people who won't help tjhemselves is not the answer. What's more, it seems like it's allways well healed, mealy mouth do-gooders that think it is.


I did actually read the posts.  The conversations branched away from general homelessness and into older people.   My post is to make a point that most homeless are not people who wont help themselves, and that they are there because of genuine reasons - for example, older aged, frail, sick, fleeing from harm, or sometimes, just a series of bad lucks.   So, when you mentioned that: "simply throwing sit down money at people who won't help themselves is not the answer".  You have missed the point completely. 
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tickleandrose wrote on Mar 19th, 2018 at 1:21pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 19th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
One of the worst things a  poster on OP can do is stumble into a dialogue wiithout CAREFULLY reading the article that precipitated the thread and at least a few of the posts. There is no mention of mental health or health generally because the article is about public housing availability and welfare spending and not our health care system. Concentrating while reading the article would have informed you of that. I concede that homelessness is a problem (der), my argument is that simply throwing sit down money at people who won't help tjhemselves is not the answer. What's more, it seems like it's allways well healed, mealy mouth do-gooders that think it is.


I did actually read the posts.  The conversations branched away from general homelessness and into older people.   My post is to make a point that most homeless are not people who wont help themselves, and that they are there because of genuine reasons - for example, older aged, frail, sick, fleeing from harm, or sometimes, just a series of bad lucks.   So, when you mentioned that: "simply throwing sit down money at people who won't help themselves is not the answer".  You have missed the point completely. 

There are the homeless that are in their position for genuine reasons; these people deserve all the assistance and compassion we can muster. The homeless figures, however, are bolstered by f.u.c.k ups who know two things; how to sell a sob story and where the nearest Centrelink is.
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Reply #41 - Mar 19th, 2018 at 1:38pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 6:07pm:
KILL THEM.


You are nothing more than a total moron.

Aboriginals need to help themselves.

They need to use what they have been given and make a life for themselves

No matter what we do, how much we give them or how often we punish ourselves for crimes of our ancestors these facts are true.

Anything less is cultural suicide.
They are not stupid
I know Abbie who have excelled, they had the drive to succeed.

Our biggest crime is in pandering to the demands of the lazy who will never amount to anything

By simply giving to them without expecting them to contribute
We belittle them
As we throw a coin to a beggar and forget them
Better to take that better and make him work
He gains self respect and lives a worthwhile life.

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