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Question: Should abortion be legal in Australia?

Yes    
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No    
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Only in certain circumstances    
  3 (20.0%)




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Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm
 
Should abortion be legal in Australia?

On the one hand, there are plenty of contraceptive measures, including the implanon rod which is a minor proceedure performed by a GP and lasts for three years. There's condom's. There's the pill. And if you have a slip up? There's the morning after pill (despite being labelled "morning after" the woman actually has up to 48 hours, or 2 days, to take it).

Given all these things, an unplanned pregnancy is easy to avoid.

The cons of course are that the women who are so stupid, despite the plethora of options open to them, to have an unplanned pregnancy, are precisely the type of women we don't want breeding. Mum and bub's will cost us more in the long term, both monetarily, and likely socially (jails, child protection, welfare, youth justice, etc).

But should your taxes fund this? How do you feel about funding McDrive Through Abortions?

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Reply #2 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:35pm
 
It should be complexity for certain groups

Especially those without jobs living on welfare
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Reply #3 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm
 

It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.

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Reply #4 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:45pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It's already legal in most states.



Yes but for the slow learner at the back of the class...should it be?
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Reply #5 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:46pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It's already legal in most states.



Yes but for the slow learner at the back of the class...should it be?


Don't ask me.

Ask a woman who's been raped, by someone with HIV.

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Reply #6 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.
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Reply #7 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.

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Reply #8 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.



So your vote is “yes but only in certain circumstances.”

Thanks for playing, Greg.
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Reply #9 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:58pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.



So your vote is “yes but only in certain circumstances.”

Thanks for playing, Greg.


Would you deny a rape victim the legal right to an abortion?

I'm curious.


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Reply #10 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.



So your vote is “yes but only in certain circumstances.”

Thanks for playing, Greg.


Would you deny a rape victim the legal right to an abortion?

I'm curious.




No.
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Reply #11 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:00pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.



So your vote is “yes but only in certain circumstances.”

Thanks for playing, Greg.


Would you deny a rape victim the legal right to an abortion?

I'm curious.




No.


What about a woman who does it as a lifestyle choice?

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Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:02pm
 
Shouldn't this be in the Womens Issues Forum?  Tongue
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Reply #13 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:02pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:00pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.



So your vote is “yes but only in certain circumstances.”

Thanks for playing, Greg.


Would you deny a rape victim the legal right to an abortion?

I'm curious.




No.


What about a woman who does it as a lifestyle choice?



Who does what as a lifestyle choice. Gets raped or has sex?
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Reply #14 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:04pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
It should be complexity for certain groups

Especially those without jobs living on welfare


Agreed. We should pay them to have abortions.
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Reply #15 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:05pm
 
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
Shouldn't this be in the Womens Issues Forum?  Tongue


No. Men’s taxes pay for abortions too
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Reply #16 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:08pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:00pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.



So your vote is “yes but only in certain circumstances.”

Thanks for playing, Greg.


Would you deny a rape victim the legal right to an abortion?

I'm curious.




No.


What about a woman who does it as a lifestyle choice?



Who does what as a lifestyle choice. Gets raped or has sex?


A healthy, wealthy woman - in her 20s - gets pregnant to her partner whom she loves and lives with.

The baby, however, will mean a disruption to her lifestyle: can't go out to parties; has to spend money on day care; will have some sleepless nights; sore nipples; etc.

Should she legally be able to have an abortion.
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Reply #17 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:12pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:00pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.



So your vote is “yes but only in certain circumstances.”

Thanks for playing, Greg.


Would you deny a rape victim the legal right to an abortion?

I'm curious.




No.


What about a woman who does it as a lifestyle choice?



Who does what as a lifestyle choice. Gets raped or has sex?


A healthy, wealthy woman - in her 20s - gets pregnant to her partner whom she loves and lives with.

The baby, however, will mean a disruption to her lifestyle: can't go out to parties; has to spend money on day care; will have some sleepless nights; sore nipples; etc.

Should she legally be able to have an abortion.


Absolutely not.
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Reply #18 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:13pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
Shouldn't this be in the Womens Issues Forum?  Tongue


No. Men’s taxes pay for abortions too


Really?  Last I heard abortions were NOT free nor on Medicare. Is that what this is all about?
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Reply #19 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:13pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:00pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.



So your vote is “yes but only in certain circumstances.”

Thanks for playing, Greg.


Would you deny a rape victim the legal right to an abortion?

I'm curious.




No.


What about a woman who does it as a lifestyle choice?



Who does what as a lifestyle choice. Gets raped or has sex?


A healthy, wealthy woman - in her 20s - gets pregnant to her partner whom she loves and lives with.

The baby, however, will mean a disruption to her lifestyle: can't go out to parties; has to spend money on day care; will have some sleepless nights; sore nipples; etc.

Should she legally be able to have an abortion.


Absolutely not.


Why not?

It's her life, her body, and her foetus.

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Reply #20 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:23pm
 
I think people ahould stay out of other peoples buisiness.
If you want an abortion then go have one.


Unfortunately sex is good...hence we enjoy it.
Society has made having kids difficult...especially for low wage earners. Better off not working but then we end up with enclaves of welfare crap.
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Reply #21 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:24pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:13pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:00pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.



So your vote is “yes but only in certain circumstances.”

Thanks for playing, Greg.


Would you deny a rape victim the legal right to an abortion?

I'm curious.




No.


What about a woman who does it as a lifestyle choice?



Who does what as a lifestyle choice. Gets raped or has sex?


A healthy, wealthy woman - in her 20s - gets pregnant to her partner whom she loves and lives with.

The baby, however, will mean a disruption to her lifestyle: can't go out to parties; has to spend money on day care; will have some sleepless nights; sore nipples; etc.

Should she legally be able to have an abortion.


Absolutely not.


Why not?

It's her life, her body, and her foetus.



Nicole?
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Reply #22 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:26pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Poll added.


I'm all for McDrive-Through abortions so long as a side order of Bulk Billing accompanies it.  Smiley
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Reply #23 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:33pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Absolutely not.


Absolutely yes.

University studies and careers have been ruined because of the appearance of a pregnancy. Young ones trying to save a deposit on a home are shattered financially because of an unexpected baby soon to arrive. Mortgage payments become crippling because a baby arrives.

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Reply #24 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:34pm
 
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:13pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
Shouldn't this be in the Womens Issues Forum?  Tongue


No. Men’s taxes pay for abortions too


Really?  Last I heard abortions were NOT free nor on Medicare. Is that what this is all about?


They’re funded, or partially funded, through Medicare.
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Reply #25 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:36pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:13pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:00pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.



So your vote is “yes but only in certain circumstances.”

Thanks for playing, Greg.


Would you deny a rape victim the legal right to an abortion?

I'm curious.




No.


What about a woman who does it as a lifestyle choice?



Who does what as a lifestyle choice. Gets raped or has sex?


A healthy, wealthy woman - in her 20s - gets pregnant to her partner whom she loves and lives with.

The baby, however, will mean a disruption to her lifestyle: can't go out to parties; has to spend money on day care; will have some sleepless nights; sore nipples; etc.

Should she legally be able to have an abortion.


Absolutely not.


Why not?

It's her life, her body, and her foetus.



If she paid for it100 percent that’s fine.  But I happen to believe the man has rights over that foetus too. It’s his as much as hers.
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Reply #26 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:37pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:13pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:00pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It already IS legal in most states.

QLD and NSW are the only exceptions, from memory.

You should have done a bit more research.



Not sure about Qld but in NSW it's legal status is no impediment to having the procedure done.


I don't care what state or territory we're talking about, but I'm not going to tell a rape victim that she shouldn't have the legal right to have an abortion.



So your vote is “yes but only in certain circumstances.”

Thanks for playing, Greg.


Would you deny a rape victim the legal right to an abortion?

I'm curious.




No.


What about a woman who does it as a lifestyle choice?



Who does what as a lifestyle choice. Gets raped or has sex?


A healthy, wealthy woman - in her 20s - gets pregnant to her partner whom she loves and lives with.

The baby, however, will mean a disruption to her lifestyle: can't go out to parties; has to spend money on day care; will have some sleepless nights; sore nipples; etc.

Should she legally be able to have an abortion.


Absolutely not.


Why not?

It's her life, her body, and her foetus.



If she paid for it100 percent that’s fine.  But I happen to believe the man has rights over that foetus too. It’s his as much as hers.


I agree.

It's a minefield.

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Reply #27 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:39pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Absolutely not.


Absolutely yes.

University studies and careers have been ruined because of the appearance of a pregnancy. Young ones trying to save a deposit on a home are shattered financially because of an unexpected baby soon to arrive. Mortgage payments become crippling because a baby arrives.



Fine. But they pay for the abortion 100 percent. And the male has to agree or no deal sweetheart.
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Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Absolutely not.


Absolutely yes.

University studies and careers have been ruined because of the appearance of a pregnancy. Young ones trying to save a deposit on a home are shattered financially because of an unexpected baby soon to arrive. Mortgage payments become crippling because a baby arrives.



Fine. But they pay for the abortion 100 percent. And the male has to agree or no deal sweetheart.


Agreed, again.

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It's her who is going to carry the bub for 9 months, and it will be her who will be obliged to stick closely to the kid until it goes to school. The father's contribution will be through his wallet.
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we would like too think the man has rights but when it comes down to it he actually has none- its her body her decision- when a man can give birth lets talk then-
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Reply #31 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:41pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Absolutely not.


Absolutely yes.

University studies and careers have been ruined because of the appearance of a pregnancy. Young ones trying to save a deposit on a home are shattered financially because of an unexpected baby soon to arrive. Mortgage payments become crippling because a baby arrives.



Fine. But they pay for the abortion 100 percent. And the male has to agree or no deal sweetheart.


Agreed, again.


Okay ~ it's a deal. We'll settle for that. We have a consensus here.  Kiss
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Reply #32 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:42pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
It's already legal in most states.



Yes but for the slow learner at the back of the class...should it be?


Don't ask me.

Ask a woman who's been raped, by someone with HIV.


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Agnes wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:40pm:
we would like too think the man has rights but when it comes down to it he actually has none- its her body her decision- when a man can give birth lets talk then-


When a woman can fertilise herself you should get to make all the decisions. If you want to get to make all the decisions then be prepared to accept all the costs.
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Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
Agnes wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:40pm:
we would like too think the man has rights but when it comes down to it he actually has none- its her body her decision- when a man can give birth lets talk then-


When a woman can fertilise herself you should get to make all the decisions.

women can now haven't you heard- ? No man tells a woman what she can do or should do with her body -
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Reply #35 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:49pm
 
Agnes wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:48pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
Agnes wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:40pm:
we would like too think the man has rights but when it comes down to it he actually has none- its her body her decision- when a man can give birth lets talk then-


When a woman can fertilise herself you should get to make all the decisions.

women can now haven't you heard- ? No man tells a woman what she can do or should do with her body -


How would you fertilise yourself, Agnes, no man involved?
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Reply #36 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:49pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
It's her who is going to carry the bub for 9 months, and it will be her who will be obliged to stick closely to the kid until it goes to school. The father's contribution will be through his wallet.


Herbert. Go back to the opening post. It’s so easy these days NOT to fall pregnant.

Those who are raped and those who have an intellectual disability I understand - by all means, give them their McDrive Thru abortion.

Those on welfare - again, give them their abortion.

But the rest of us? Nope. Unless it is agreed upon by both people (ie mum and dad) and paid for by them.
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Reply #37 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:50pm
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
When a woman can fertilise herself you should get to make all the decisions.


Do you really think that sex is ONLY for procreation?  Grin

poo happens. poo needs to be disposed of, or would you prefer the one-night-stand to sue you for Child Support for the next 18+ years? Remember we have DNA now.  Wink
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Reply #38 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:53pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Absolutely not.


Absolutely yes.

University studies and careers have been ruined because of the appearance of a pregnancy. Young ones trying to save a deposit on a home are shattered financially because of an unexpected baby soon to arrive. Mortgage payments become crippling because a baby arrives.



Fine. But they pay for the abortion 100 percent. And the male has to agree or no deal sweetheart.


Agreed, again.



You realise this is an historic moment for us Greg.
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Reply #39 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:53pm
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
Agnes wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:48pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
Agnes wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:40pm:
we would like too think the man has rights but when it comes down to it he actually has none- its her body her decision- when a man can give birth lets talk then-


When a woman can fertilise herself you should get to make all the decisions.

women can now haven't you heard- ? No man tells a woman what she can do or should do with her body -


How would you fertilise yourself, Agnes, no man involved?



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Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
When a woman can fertilise herself you should get to make all the decisions.


Do you really think that sex is ONLY for procreation?  Grin

poo happens. poo needs to be disposed of, or would you prefer the one-night-stand to sue you for Child Support for the next 18+ years? Remember we have DNA now.  Wink


My point is that if women chooses to keep the baby, the man pays, if she chooses to knock it on the head, it's totally her choice and he has no say. This is fundamentally unfair. If women want to have the right to choose, then it should be on their dime. If men hold some responsibility in the child, they should have a say. Taxation without representation.


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Reply #41 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:58pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
It's her who is going to carry the bub for 9 months, and it will be her who will be obliged to stick closely to the kid until it goes to school. The father's contribution will be through his wallet.


Herbert. Go back to the opening post. It’s so easy these days NOT to fall pregnant.

Those who are raped and those who have an intellectual disability I understand - by all means, give them their McDrive Thru abortion.

Those on welfare - again, give them their abortion.

But the rest of us? Nope. Unless it is agreed upon by both people (ie mum and dad) and paid for by them.


Agreed!

We're in heated agreement here. ...
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Well....I done this before and I'll do it again.....how many times has Mistress Nicole started this 'abortion' debate?  It has been done and dusted a zillion times. 

Rubbish.

Wake me up if any anyone makes a novel comment.
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Reply #43 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:06pm
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:54pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
When a woman can fertilise herself you should get to make all the decisions.


Do you really think that sex is ONLY for procreation?  Grin

poo happens. poo needs to be disposed of, or would you prefer the one-night-stand to sue you for Child Support for the next 18+ years? Remember we have DNA now.  Wink


My point is that if women chooses to keep the baby, the man pays, if she chooses to knock it on the head, it's totally her choice and he has no say. This is fundamentally unfair. If women want to have the right to choose, then it should be on their dime. If men hold some responsibility in the child, they should have a say. Taxation without representation.


One Night Stand! Both are at "fault" and IF she can prove (via DNA) that he is responsible .... and she wants to keep the brat ... he could be paying for 18 years plus (if the kid goes to Uni, it can extend to 25 years!)

IF on the other hand she wants to have a termination ... that is her decision ...

I think the argument is about COST ... i.e whether a female can get an abortion on Medicare, or not.

I think it should be available under certain circumstances. Definitely not as an alternative to contraception which is available to all females.  Smiley
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Aussie wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Well....I done this before and I'll do it again.....how many times has Mistress Nicole started this 'abortion' debate?  It has been done and dusted a zillion times. 

Rubbish.

Wake me up if any anyone makes a novel comment.


Wake up Aussie? I found a novel comment!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1521192725/42#42 Tongue
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Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:54pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
When a woman can fertilise herself you should get to make all the decisions.


Do you really think that sex is ONLY for procreation?  Grin

poo happens. poo needs to be disposed of, or would you prefer the one-night-stand to sue you for Child Support for the next 18+ years? Remember we have DNA now.  Wink


My point is that if women chooses to keep the baby, the man pays, if she chooses to knock it on the head, it's totally her choice and he has no say. This is fundamentally unfair. If women want to have the right to choose, then it should be on their dime. If men hold some responsibility in the child, they should have a say. Taxation without representation.


One Night Stand! Both are at "fault" and IF she can prove (via DNA) that he is responsible .... and she wants to keep the brat ... he could be paying for 18 years plus (if the kid goes to Uni, it can extend to 25 years!)

IF on the other hand she wants to have a termination ... that is her decision ...

I think the argument is about COST ... i.e whether a female can get an abortion on Medicare, or not.

I think it should be available under certain circumstances. Definitely not as an alternative to contraception which is available to all females.  Smiley


What if he wants the brat?
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Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Well....I done this before and I'll do it again.....how many times has Mistress Nicole started this 'abortion' debate?  It has been done and dusted a zillion times. 

Rubbish.

Wake me up if any anyone makes a novel comment.


Wake up Aussie? I found a novel comment!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1521192725/42#42 Tongue


Really...what was it?  I have never seen a novel comment on this issue in almost 40 years.
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Reply #47 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:12pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:10pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Well....I done this before and I'll do it again.....how many times has Mistress Nicole started this 'abortion' debate?  It has been done and dusted a zillion times. 

Rubbish.

Wake me up if any anyone makes a novel comment.


Wake up Aussie? I found a novel comment!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1521192725/42#42 Tongue


Really...what was it?  I have never seen a novel comment on this issue in almost 40 years.


So why make the comment... You don't get sarcasm? Shocked
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did aussie 'wunaway"  as FD would say ? Smiley
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Reply #49 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:23pm
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:54pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
When a woman can fertilise herself you should get to make all the decisions.


Do you really think that sex is ONLY for procreation?  Grin

poo happens. poo needs to be disposed of, or would you prefer the one-night-stand to sue you for Child Support for the next 18+ years? Remember we have DNA now.  Wink


My point is that if women chooses to keep the baby, the man pays, if she chooses to knock it on the head, it's totally her choice and he has no say. This is fundamentally unfair. If women want to have the right to choose, then it should be on their dime. If men hold some responsibility in the child, they should have a say. Taxation without representation.


One Night Stand! Both are at "fault" and IF she can prove (via DNA) that he is responsible .... and she wants to keep the brat ... he could be paying for 18 years plus (if the kid goes to Uni, it can extend to 25 years!)

IF on the other hand she wants to have a termination ... that is her decision ...

I think the argument is about COST ... i.e whether a female can get an abortion on Medicare, or not.

I think it should be available under certain circumstances. Definitely not as an alternative to contraception which is available to all females.  Smiley


What if he wants the brat?


He probably doesn't even remember what "she" looked like.  They were at The Pub, remember?  Grin

She, however, could claim "rape" and have a DNA sample taken.  Wink
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Reply #50 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:26pm
 
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:54pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
When a woman can fertilise herself you should get to make all the decisions.


Do you really think that sex is ONLY for procreation?  Grin

poo happens. poo needs to be disposed of, or would you prefer the one-night-stand to sue you for Child Support for the next 18+ years? Remember we have DNA now.  Wink


My point is that if women chooses to keep the baby, the man pays, if she chooses to knock it on the head, it's totally her choice and he has no say. This is fundamentally unfair. If women want to have the right to choose, then it should be on their dime. If men hold some responsibility in the child, they should have a say. Taxation without representation.


One Night Stand! Both are at "fault" and IF she can prove (via DNA) that he is responsible .... and she wants to keep the brat ... he could be paying for 18 years plus (if the kid goes to Uni, it can extend to 25 years!)

IF on the other hand she wants to have a termination ... that is her decision ...

I think the argument is about COST ... i.e whether a female can get an abortion on Medicare, or not.

I think it should be available under certain circumstances. Definitely not as an alternative to contraception which is available to all females.  Smiley


What if he wants the brat?


He probably doesn't even remember what "she" looked like.  They were at The Pub, remember?  Grin

She, however, could claim "rape" and have a DNA sample taken.  Wink


A one night stand with some cheap slapper he met in the front bar?  He could also take personal responsibility and wear a condom.  Roll Eyes. Not difficult.
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Reply #51 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:38pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Should abortion be legal in Australia?

On the one hand, there are plenty of contraceptive measures, including the implanon rod which is a minor proceedure performed by a GP and lasts for three years. There's condom's. There's the pill. And if you have a slip up? There's the morning after pill (despite being labelled "morning after" the woman actually has up to 48 hours, or 2 days, to take it).

Given all these things, an unplanned pregnancy is easy to avoid.

The cons of course are that the women who are so stupid, despite the plethora of options open to them, to have an unplanned pregnancy, are precisely the type of women we don't want breeding. Mum and bub's will cost us more in the long term, both monetarily, and likely socially (jails, child protection, welfare, youth justice, etc).

But should your taxes fund this? How do you feel about funding McDrive Through Abortions?

https://youtu.be/ZVOD5D4IArw


Its a multi dimension question.

After a certain point maybe not legal (I think that is the current law) as for medicare unless its essential (medical threat to life) no not all.

If you made a mistake I see no reason why the tax payer should fix up your mess.

As for the morality of it that is not law, I will leave that t the left wing hand wringing hypocrites and Christian do-gooder types.
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Reply #52 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:44pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
A one night stand with some cheap slapper he met in the front bar?  He could also take personal responsibility and wear a condom.  Roll Eyes. Not difficult.


That's not very nice Nicole.  Shocked

I would assume that many of us have "met" someone at the local and after a few drinks, wandered off and did the "deed".

HE is no more responsible than SHE is. It's the feotus that is the issue here.


The bloke has no idea (one night stand)
Several weeks later the girl finds that she is pregnant and the ONLY guy was ...

On the other hand, if she was a slapper as Nicole mentioned ...

Would you prefer to have a "slapper" producing kids, annually, and claiming Welfare for those kids or would you rather they are allowed to get a FREE abortion?
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Reply #53 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:49pm
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:10pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Well....I done this before and I'll do it again.....how many times has Mistress Nicole started this 'abortion' debate?  It has been done and dusted a zillion times. 

Rubbish.

Wake me up if any anyone makes a novel comment.


Wake up Aussie? I found a novel comment!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1521192725/42#42 Tongue


Really...what was it?  I have never seen a novel comment on this issue in almost 40 years.


So why make the comment... You don't get sarcasm? Shocked


Sarcasm is almost impossible to pick up on Forums.  Easy to claim, of course.
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Reply #54 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:50pm
 
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:44pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
A one night stand with some cheap slapper he met in the front bar?  He could also take personal responsibility and wear a condom.  Roll Eyes. Not difficult.


That's not very nice Nicole.  Shocked

I would assume that many of us have "met" someone at the local and after a few drinks, wandered off and did the "deed".

HE is no more responsible than SHE is. It's the feotus that is the issue here.


The bloke has no idea (one night stand)
Several weeks later the girl finds that she is pregnant and the ONLY guy was ...

On the other hand, if she was a slapper as Nicole mentioned ...

Would you prefer to have a "slapper" producing kids, annually, and claiming Welfare for those kids or would you rather they are allowed to get a FREE abortion?


If she was a slapper, why would she abort when she has a meal ticket in her fur purse for the next 18 to 25 years unless she didn't get his name?
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Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:44pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
A one night stand with some cheap slapper he met in the front bar?  He could also take personal responsibility and wear a condom.  Roll Eyes. Not difficult.


That's not very nice Nicole.  Shocked

I would assume that many of us have "met" someone at the local and after a few drinks, wandered off and did the "deed".

HE is no more responsible than SHE is. It's the feotus that is the issue here.


The bloke has no idea (one night stand)
Several weeks later the girl finds that she is pregnant and the ONLY guy was ...

On the other hand, if she was a slapper as Nicole mentioned ...

Would you prefer to have a "slapper" producing kids, annually, and claiming Welfare for those kids or would you rather they are allowed to get a FREE abortion?


If she was a slapper, why would she abort when she has a meal ticket in her fur purse for the next 18 to 25 years unless she didn't get his name?


Excellent question.  Obviously it is not just about Medicare.  Grin
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You all think in such B&W terms... What if the girl is 15 from a religious family?
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Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:54pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
When a woman can fertilise herself you should get to make all the decisions.


Do you really think that sex is ONLY for procreation?  Grin

poo happens. poo needs to be disposed of, or would you prefer the one-night-stand to sue you for Child Support for the next 18+ years? Remember we have DNA now.  Wink


My point is that if women chooses to keep the baby, the man pays, if she chooses to knock it on the head, it's totally her choice and he has no say. This is fundamentally unfair. If women want to have the right to choose, then it should be on their dime. If men hold some responsibility in the child, they should have a say. Taxation without representation.


One Night Stand! Both are at "fault" and IF she can prove (via DNA) that he is responsible .... and she wants to keep the brat ... he could be paying for 18 years plus (if the kid goes to Uni, it can extend to 25 years!)

IF on the other hand she wants to have a termination ... that is her decision ...

I think the argument is about COST ... i.e whether a female can get an abortion on Medicare, or not.

I think it should be available under certain circumstances. Definitely not as an alternative to contraception which is available to all females.  Smiley


What if he wants the brat?


He probably doesn't even remember what "she" looked like.  They were at The Pub, remember?  Grin

She, however, could claim "rape" and have a DNA sample taken.  Wink


A one night stand with some cheap slapper he met in the front bar?  He could also take personal responsibility and wear a condom.  Roll Eyes. Not difficult.



SHE could be more responsible and use contraception readily available.

I'm sorry to tell you, but conception is a two way street, and it is time many in many places started to realise that.

If women want full rights they must accept full responsibility.
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You all think in such B&W terms... What if the girl is 15 from a religious family?


One case in fifty million?  Try again.....
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What if he wants the brat?


Then he has no rights...... surprise, surprise - men are just as desirous of children as women..... but somehow in all the feminist nonsense rhetoric, men are nothing but predators....

When will MEN's rights be upheld in law?  Equally
(sorry to use that word.... since it has become so diluted these days and so specific to benefit some and not the rest).....
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Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Should abortion be legal in Australia?

On the one hand, there are plenty of contraceptive measures, including the implanon rod which is a minor proceedure performed by a GP and lasts for three years. There's condom's. There's the pill. And if you have a slip up? There's the morning after pill (despite being labelled "morning after" the woman actually has up to 48 hours, or 2 days, to take it).

Given all these things, an unplanned pregnancy is easy to avoid.

The cons of course are that the women who are so stupid, despite the plethora of options open to them, to have an unplanned pregnancy, are precisely the type of women we don't want breeding. Mum and bub's will cost us more in the long term, both monetarily, and likely socially (jails, child protection, welfare, youth justice, etc).

But should your taxes fund this? How do you feel about funding McDrive Through Abortions?

https://youtu.be/ZVOD5D4IArw


There are many other ways that unexpected pregnancies can happen.

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Reply #61 - Mar 17th, 2018 at 7:06am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 6:42am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Should abortion be legal in Australia?

On the one hand, there are plenty of contraceptive measures, including the implanon rod which is a minor proceedure performed by a GP and lasts for three years. There's condom's. There's the pill. And if you have a slip up? There's the morning after pill (despite being labelled "morning after" the woman actually has up to 48 hours, or 2 days, to take it).

Given all these things, an unplanned pregnancy is easy to avoid.

The cons of course are that the women who are so stupid, despite the plethora of options open to them, to have an unplanned pregnancy, are precisely the type of women we don't want breeding. Mum and bub's will cost us more in the long term, both monetarily, and likely socially (jails, child protection, welfare, youth justice, etc).

But should your taxes fund this? How do you feel about funding McDrive Through Abortions?

https://youtu.be/ZVOD5D4IArw


There are many other ways that unexpected pregnancies can happen.

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100% agree

I would only support Medicare funded abortion if the pregnancy was a real threat to life (certified) or a result of an official rape case.

NO way medicare should be used to support your poor judgement or life style choices.
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Reply #62 - Mar 17th, 2018 at 8:42am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 7:06am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 6:42am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Should abortion be legal in Australia?

On the one hand, there are plenty of contraceptive measures, including the implanon rod which is a minor proceedure performed by a GP and lasts for three years. There's condom's. There's the pill. And if you have a slip up? There's the morning after pill (despite being labelled "morning after" the woman actually has up to 48 hours, or 2 days, to take it).

Given all these things, an unplanned pregnancy is easy to avoid.

The cons of course are that the women who are so stupid, despite the plethora of options open to them, to have an unplanned pregnancy, are precisely the type of women we don't want breeding. Mum and bub's will cost us more in the long term, both monetarily, and likely socially (jails, child protection, welfare, youth justice, etc).

But should your taxes fund this? How do you feel about funding McDrive Through Abortions?

https://youtu.be/ZVOD5D4IArw


There are many other ways that unexpected pregnancies can happen.

Spot



100% agree

I would only support Medicare funded abortion if the pregnancy was a real threat to life (certified) or a result of an official rape case.

NO way medicare should be used to support your poor judgement or life style choices.


It is right now, though.

If you've smoked all your life, have a poor diet, and never exercise you're still eligible to claim Medicare benefits for the illnesses suffered as a result of that lifestyle choice.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 8:42am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 7:06am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 6:42am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Should abortion be legal in Australia?

On the one hand, there are plenty of contraceptive measures, including the implanon rod which is a minor proceedure performed by a GP and lasts for three years. There's condom's. There's the pill. And if you have a slip up? There's the morning after pill (despite being labelled "morning after" the woman actually has up to 48 hours, or 2 days, to take it).

Given all these things, an unplanned pregnancy is easy to avoid.

The cons of course are that the women who are so stupid, despite the plethora of options open to them, to have an unplanned pregnancy, are precisely the type of women we don't want breeding. Mum and bub's will cost us more in the long term, both monetarily, and likely socially (jails, child protection, welfare, youth justice, etc).

But should your taxes fund this? How do you feel about funding McDrive Through Abortions?

https://youtu.be/ZVOD5D4IArw


There are many other ways that unexpected pregnancies can happen.

Spot



100% agree

I would only support Medicare funded abortion if the pregnancy was a real threat to life (certified) or a result of an official rape case.

NO way medicare should be used to support your poor judgement or life style choices.


It is right now, though.

If you've smoked all your life, have a poor diet, and never exercise you're still eligible to claim Medicare benefits for the illnesses suffered as a result of that lifestyle choice.


Yes that could be another topic but forgetting to use contraceptives ...... bit different.
There is also a morning after pill.

People who smoke would probably pay far more through the taxes on cigs no issue there.

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RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 8:49am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 8:42am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 7:06am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 6:42am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Should abortion be legal in Australia?

On the one hand, there are plenty of contraceptive measures, including the implanon rod which is a minor proceedure performed by a GP and lasts for three years. There's condom's. There's the pill. And if you have a slip up? There's the morning after pill (despite being labelled "morning after" the woman actually has up to 48 hours, or 2 days, to take it).

Given all these things, an unplanned pregnancy is easy to avoid.

The cons of course are that the women who are so stupid, despite the plethora of options open to them, to have an unplanned pregnancy, are precisely the type of women we don't want breeding. Mum and bub's will cost us more in the long term, both monetarily, and likely socially (jails, child protection, welfare, youth justice, etc).

But should your taxes fund this? How do you feel about funding McDrive Through Abortions?

https://youtu.be/ZVOD5D4IArw


There are many other ways that unexpected pregnancies can happen.

Spot



100% agree

I would only support Medicare funded abortion if the pregnancy was a real threat to life (certified) or a result of an official rape case.

NO way medicare should be used to support your poor judgement or life style choices.


It is right now, though.

If you've smoked all your life, have a poor diet, and never exercise you're still eligible to claim Medicare benefits for the illnesses suffered as a result of that lifestyle choice.


Yes that could be another topic but forgetting to use contraceptives ...... bit different.
There is also a morning after pill.

People who smoke would probably pay far more through the taxes on cigs no issue there.

You Pompous Butt Dragon


I request that you please stop the personal insults.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 8:51am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 8:49am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 8:42am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 7:06am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 6:42am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Should abortion be legal in Australia?

On the one hand, there are plenty of contraceptive measures, including the implanon rod which is a minor proceedure performed by a GP and lasts for three years. There's condom's. There's the pill. And if you have a slip up? There's the morning after pill (despite being labelled "morning after" the woman actually has up to 48 hours, or 2 days, to take it).

Given all these things, an unplanned pregnancy is easy to avoid.

The cons of course are that the women who are so stupid, despite the plethora of options open to them, to have an unplanned pregnancy, are precisely the type of women we don't want breeding. Mum and bub's will cost us more in the long term, both monetarily, and likely socially (jails, child protection, welfare, youth justice, etc).

But should your taxes fund this? How do you feel about funding McDrive Through Abortions?

https://youtu.be/ZVOD5D4IArw


There are many other ways that unexpected pregnancies can happen.

Spot



100% agree

I would only support Medicare funded abortion if the pregnancy was a real threat to life (certified) or a result of an official rape case.

NO way medicare should be used to support your poor judgement or life style choices.


It is right now, though.

If you've smoked all your life, have a poor diet, and never exercise you're still eligible to claim Medicare benefits for the illnesses suffered as a result of that lifestyle choice.


Yes that could be another topic but forgetting to use contraceptives ...... bit different.
There is also a morning after pill.

People who smoke would probably pay far more through the taxes on cigs no issue there.

You Pompous Butt Dragon


I request that you please stop the personal insults.


You started you can apologise for the baseless rubbish you posted.

Seems you like random insulting no idea why your upset about ?

You hypocritical nonsense posting drop kick !
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RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 8:49am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 8:42am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 7:06am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 6:42am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Should abortion be legal in Australia?

On the one hand, there are plenty of contraceptive measures, including the implanon rod which is a minor proceedure performed by a GP and lasts for three years. There's condom's. There's the pill. And if you have a slip up? There's the morning after pill (despite being labelled "morning after" the woman actually has up to 48 hours, or 2 days, to take it).

Given all these things, an unplanned pregnancy is easy to avoid.

The cons of course are that the women who are so stupid, despite the plethora of options open to them, to have an unplanned pregnancy, are precisely the type of women we don't want breeding. Mum and bub's will cost us more in the long term, both monetarily, and likely socially (jails, child protection, welfare, youth justice, etc).

But should your taxes fund this? How do you feel about funding McDrive Through Abortions?

https://youtu.be/ZVOD5D4IArw


There are many other ways that unexpected pregnancies can happen.

Spot



100% agree

I would only support Medicare funded abortion if the pregnancy was a real threat to life (certified) or a result of an official rape case.

NO way medicare should be used to support your poor judgement or life style choices.


It is right now, though.

If you've smoked all your life, have a poor diet, and never exercise you're still eligible to claim Medicare benefits for the illnesses suffered as a result of that lifestyle choice.


Yes that could be another topic but forgetting to use contraceptives ...... bit different.
There is also a morning after pill.

People who smoke would probably pay far more through the taxes on cigs no issue there.

You Pompous Butt Dragon


The woman seeking an abortion might have been a smoker all her life.

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100% agree

I would only support Medicare funded abortion if the pregnancy was a real threat to life (certified) or a result of an official rape case.


God help the poor girls who are unofficially raped.  Cool
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I have to admit I have never been able to decide for or against abortion. There are fair opinions on both sides. However, abortion at the tax-payer's expense is a hard sell. We should pay for the irresponsible choices of others? That does not seem fair.
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I have to admit I have never been able to decide for or against abortion. There are fair opinions on both sides. However, abortion at the tax-payer's expense is a hard sell. We should pay for the irresponsible choices of others? That does not seem fair.


We already are.

As I said before:

"If you've smoked all your life, have a poor diet, are a heavy drinker, and never exercise you're still eligible to claim Medicare benefits for the illnesses suffered as a result of those lifestyle choices."
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I have to admit I have never been able to decide for or against abortion. There are fair opinions on both sides. However, abortion at the tax-payer's expense is a hard sell. We should pay for the irresponsible choices of others? That does not seem fair.


Those others are paying. They pay taxes.

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I have to admit I have never been able to decide for or against abortion. There are fair opinions on both sides. However, abortion at the tax-payer's expense is a hard sell. We should pay for the irresponsible choices of others? That does not seem fair.


Somebody here pointed out that if the taxpayer doesn't pay for the unwanted pregnancies, then it could be that in later years they'll be funding a lot more by way of policing, court appearances, alcoholism, jail-time, dysfunctional families, etc.
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Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 2:21pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 11:41am:
I have to admit I have never been able to decide for or against abortion. There are fair opinions on both sides. However, abortion at the tax-payer's expense is a hard sell. We should pay for the irresponsible choices of others? That does not seem fair.


Somebody here pointed out that if the taxpayer doesn't pay for the unwanted pregnancies, then it could be that in later years they'll be funding a lot more by way of policing, court appearances, alcoholism, jail-time, dysfunctional families, etc.


That would be me.

We should pay those on welfare to have terminations. Fair dinkum.
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Mistress Nicole wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 3:07pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 2:21pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 11:41am:
I have to admit I have never been able to decide for or against abortion. There are fair opinions on both sides. However, abortion at the tax-payer's expense is a hard sell. We should pay for the irresponsible choices of others? That does not seem fair.


Somebody here pointed out that if the taxpayer doesn't pay for the unwanted pregnancies, then it could be that in later years they'll be funding a lot more by way of policing, court appearances, alcoholism, jail-time, dysfunctional families, etc.


That would be me.

We should pay those on welfare to have terminations. Fair dinkum.


Damn straight.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 11:41am:
I have to admit I have never been able to decide for or against abortion. There are fair opinions on both sides. However, abortion at the tax-payer's expense is a hard sell. We should pay for the irresponsible choices of others? That does not seem fair.


We already are.

As I said before:

"If you've smoked all your life, have a poor diet, are a heavy drinker, and never exercise you're still eligible to claim Medicare benefits for the illnesses suffered as a result of those lifestyle choices."


Pregnancy is more serious than any of your glib references. Of course, it does not surprise me that you equate them.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 11:41am:
I have to admit I have never been able to decide for or against abortion. There are fair opinions on both sides. However, abortion at the tax-payer's expense is a hard sell. We should pay for the irresponsible choices of others? That does not seem fair.


We already are.

As I said before:

"If you've smoked all your life, have a poor diet, are a heavy drinker, and never exercise you're still eligible to claim Medicare benefits for the illnesses suffered as a result of those lifestyle choices."


Pregnancy is more serious than any of your glib references. Of course, it does not surprise me that you equate them.


Ah, no dear.

Pregnancy is not an illness.


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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 11:54pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 9:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 11:41am:
I have to admit I have never been able to decide for or against abortion. There are fair opinions on both sides. However, abortion at the tax-payer's expense is a hard sell. We should pay for the irresponsible choices of others? That does not seem fair.


We already are.

As I said before:

"If you've smoked all your life, have a poor diet, are a heavy drinker, and never exercise you're still eligible to claim Medicare benefits for the illnesses suffered as a result of those lifestyle choices."


Pregnancy is more serious than any of your glib references. Of course, it does not surprise me that you equate them.


Ah, no dear.

Pregnancy is not an illness.


Damn straight, they should work till they drop it and then get up and plant more rice.
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Abortion for life style is murder....


Bringing an unwanted child into the world is doing the baby no favours. They can sense they are not wanted by the mother.
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Setanta wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 11:58pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 11:54pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 9:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 11:41am:
I have to admit I have never been able to decide for or against abortion. There are fair opinions on both sides. However, abortion at the tax-payer's expense is a hard sell. We should pay for the irresponsible choices of others? That does not seem fair.


We already are.

As I said before:

"If you've smoked all your life, have a poor diet, are a heavy drinker, and never exercise you're still eligible to claim Medicare benefits for the illnesses suffered as a result of those lifestyle choices."


Pregnancy is more serious than any of your glib references. Of course, it does not surprise me that you equate them.


Ah, no dear.

Pregnancy is not an illness.


Damn straight, they should work till they drop it and then get up and plant more rice.


... or pick more cotton.
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Swagman wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Abortion for life style is murder....


Bringing an unwanted child into the world is doing the baby no favours. They can sense they are not wanted by the mother.


....you don't consider life a favour?
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Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 4:38am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Abortion for life style is murder....


Bringing an unwanted child into the world is doing the baby no favours. They can sense they are not wanted by the mother.


....you don't consider life a favour?


Life isnt a "favour".

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....you don't consider life a favour?


Life is Pain  Cool
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Life isnt a "favour"


...is that why you support legalised infanticide ?
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:33am:
Life isnt a "favour"


...is that why you support legalised infanticide ?


Where have i said i support "legalised infanticide"?

I do not have any objections to abortions as they are in australia. Anything over about 6 weeks has to have a very good reason and i dont think its allowed after a certain amount of time. This is not killing infants.

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Reply #85 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 10:06am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:52am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:47am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:33am:
Life isnt a "favour"


...is that why you support legalised infanticide ?


Where have i said i support "legalised infanticide"?

I do not have any objections to abortions as they are in australia. Anything over about 6 weeks has to have a very good reason and i dont think its allowed after a certain amount of time. This is not killing infants.

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Abortion is ending a life no matter how you want to gloss over it.

"In English law infanticide is established as a distinct offence by the Infanticide Acts. Defined as the killing of a child under 12 months of age by their mother....."

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Reply #86 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 10:28am
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 10:06am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:52am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:47am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:33am:
Life isnt a "favour"


...is that why you support legalised infanticide ?


Where have i said i support "legalised infanticide"?

I do not have any objections to abortions as they are in australia. Anything over about 6 weeks has to have a very good reason and i dont think its allowed after a certain amount of time. This is not killing infants.

Spot


Abortion is ending a life no matter how you want to gloss over it.

"In English law infanticide is established as a distinct offence by the Infanticide Acts. Defined as the killing of a child under 12 months of age by their mother....."



Yes infanticide is killing a child. To be a child it must be born.

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If contraception was 100% effective, then maybe Mistress Nicole you'd have a point, but its not, so you dont.

So my opinion is yes definitely legal, yes definitely funded by medicare. We fund lung cancer and Type 2 diabetes patients
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If contraception was 100% effective, then maybe Mistress Nicole you'd have a point, but its not, so you dont.

So my opinion is yes definitely legal, yes definitely funded by medicare. We fund lung cancer and Type 2 diabetes patients


Just have to point out here that its not just smokers that get lung cancer.

Actually come to think of it its not just overweight people with type 2 diabetes either.

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Reply #90 - Mar 19th, 2018 at 8:25am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 19th, 2018 at 8:11am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19th, 2018 at 8:00am:
If contraception was 100% effective, then maybe Mistress Nicole you'd have a point, but its not, so you dont.

So my opinion is yes definitely legal, yes definitely funded by medicare. We fund lung cancer and Type 2 diabetes patients


Just have to point out here that its not just smokers that get lung cancer.

Actually come to think of it its not just overweight people with type 2 diabetes either.

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No but given those are mostly lifestyle oriented and we still fund them.
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Reply #91 - Mar 19th, 2018 at 9:51am
 
Abortion is very poorly timed birth control.

Nobody sane can argue that birth control is not necessary, especially in our modern, over populated world.

So the argument gets pretty simple, do you treat embryonic life the same as an infant child???

Potential people are still people, even before they can feel or think, may be a pro life humanist view.
Every life has a soul, and is sacred, may be the religious view.

This is in my view, of doing a wrong thing, for the right reasons.
In an ideal world, no woman would ever get pregnant, unless she wanted to have a child.

It is not that way.

So, kill embryos, and just put it out of your mind and carry on, as best you can.
Try and make a good and decent life, and when you are ready have a family, and love them.

Each choice should be private and personal, and leave the judgement behind.

Women, and men with heart and empathy, never choose abortion lightly, and without thought.
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