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Reply #15 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:10pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 5:48am:
Retailers demand zero pay rise for Australia's lowest paid workers   Sad

Sydney Morning Herald
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One of Australia's top retail industry groups wants the country's lowest-paid workers to be denied any pay rise this year.   Angry   

In an extraordinary submission to the workplace umpire, the National Retail Association - one of the nation's major retail industry organisations - has called for a 0 per cent increase to the minimum wage on July 1.   Sad 


 


The minimum wage is already over $18 per hour, how much is unskilled labor really worth?

If you want to earn more than minimum wage get some decent qualifications.
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Reply #16 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:59pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:26am:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am:
But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us.

Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills.

No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left.



They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life.

Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way !


Well shorten and puddle duck are working hard to destroy our mining and construction jobs, so no matter what qualifications you have, you'll be cleaning toilets and washing dishes as that is about all we will have thanks to their belief in low paying tourism jobs.  Angry Angry Angry

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Reply #17 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 1:29pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:10pm:
whiteknight wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 5:48am:
Retailers demand zero pay rise for Australia's lowest paid workers   Sad

Sydney Morning Herald
13 March 2018

   

One of Australia's top retail industry groups wants the country's lowest-paid workers to be denied any pay rise this year.   Angry   

In an extraordinary submission to the workplace umpire, the National Retail Association - one of the nation's major retail industry organisations - has called for a 0 per cent increase to the minimum wage on July 1.   Sad 


 


The minimum wage is already over $18 per hour, how much is unskilled labor really worth?

If you want to earn more than minimum wage get some decent qualifications.


I know a lot of very successful people (me included) who worked minimum wage jobs.
One of close friends her first job was at Lowes reordering close based on size once the customers have been through ! She is now a senior manager at KPMG.

There are a % that struggle with working and may have a career based on a minimum wage job but that is a minority in a minority.

I would like to see if there are any studies on such jobs like how long people stay in them in different industries, in retail they seem to prefer younger faces or maybe people do them for a while then get bored and get a real job Smiley


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Reply #18 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 1:38pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:59pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:26am:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am:
But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us.

Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills.

No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left.



They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life.

Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way !


Well shorten and puddle duck are working hard to destroy our mining and construction jobs, so no matter what qualifications you have, you'll be cleaning toilets and washing dishes as that is about all we will have thanks to their belief in low paying tourism jobs.  Angry Angry Angry



A lot of cleaners are self employed contractors, I know one guy does body corporate cleaning makes $200-$400 per complex cleaning common areas. does about 10-20 per week, drives a brand new SS Commodore. Our house cleaners are the same, 2 of them show up for about 1.5 hrs and they make $130 that is $43 / hr. They do the cleaning for a lot of our friends. I forgot to leave the money out once so I drove to their house to drop it off.  5 Bedroom house with a swimming pool ..... the whole family is involved in the business.

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Reply #19 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:29pm
 
Ah yes, the old industrial standover is it?  Take it or leave it, peasant....
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Reply #20 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:32pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 7:51am:
You have to ask, besides not having to leave home, why people are shopping online?

I believe it's because our retailers are marking up the same cheap charlie chinese/Indian/Bangladeshi clothing by 3 & 4 hundred percent or more.

Our electrical retailers are worse.

The labour costs should be low if their business model is a good one.

None of them ever want to give staff a pay rise .... it only ever comes about when it is mandated by the Fair Work Commission.

And on the rare occasions that does happen they are always kicking & screaming howling doom & gloom.

Some of our lowest paid haven't had a pay rise in over 7 years.

And they are expected to cop all the increases in retail prices that are put upon them to live & eat as retail consumers.


I can buy a double outlet plug for $25 off line or I can get a pack of ten for $34 online.

What would you ask me to do?
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Reply #21 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:40pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 10:08am:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am:
But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us.

Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills.

No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left.






Its not the "labor/green" dream its the government dream. All the parties seem to want to make the poor poorer and the rich richer.

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I agree with that statement.
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Reply #22 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:53pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:26am:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am:
But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us.

Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills.

No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left.



They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life.

Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way !


You cannot expect the minimum wage to stay stagnant for years & years & still expect those people to pay for the ever increasing prices on all retail consumables, electricity, rent, rates, rego, public transport, etc. etc.

It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest reasonable wage growth against increased costs is only a concern to retail business.

To say - like they do - that every time there's an increase in the minimum wage it's going to impact employment growth or cost jobs is just scaremongering. 

Trickle down economics has been an abject failure & has not created more employment one iota.
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Reply #23 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:57pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:02pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 10:08am:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am:
But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us.

Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills.

No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left.






Its not the "labor/green" dream its the government dream. All the parties seem to want to make the poor poorer and the rich richer.

Spot



I think you'll find it is the labor / green coalition that demands sh1t tourism jobs be prioritised over proper jobs. They will actively destroy good mining jobs to make sure that these sh1t tourism jobs are maintained.

No-one wants these types of povo jobs, but soon that is all there will be left for us.


If you think mining jobs supported by taxpayers money(Adani) just so someone has a mining job, you have rocks in your head.

And stability/security of employment in the mining industry is a non event today.
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Reply #24 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 7:01pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:10pm:
whiteknight wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 5:48am:
Retailers demand zero pay rise for Australia's lowest paid workers   Sad

Sydney Morning Herald
13 March 2018

   

One of Australia's top retail industry groups wants the country's lowest-paid workers to be denied any pay rise this year.   Angry   

In an extraordinary submission to the workplace umpire, the National Retail Association - one of the nation's major retail industry organisations - has called for a 0 per cent increase to the minimum wage on July 1.   Sad 


 


The minimum wage is already over $18 per hour, how much is unskilled labor really worth?

If you want to earn more than minimum wage get some decent qualifications.


How much is yours worth?

You're another Joe Hockey ... what an elitist arrogant arsehole he is..... where do you fit in there?

I bet there are thousands of TA's, labourers & low paid workers across this country that work harder than you ever have.

You ought be ashamed of making that comment.
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Reply #25 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 7:03pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:59pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:26am:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am:
But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us.

Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills.

No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left.



They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life.

Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way !


Well shorten and puddle duck are working hard to destroy our mining and construction jobs, so no matter what qualifications you have, you'll be cleaning toilets and washing dishes as that is about all we will have thanks to their belief in low paying tourism jobs.  Angry Angry Angry



No more than the LNP have ... with their firesale sell offs to foreign nationals.
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Reply #26 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 7:10pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 7:03pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:59pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:26am:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am:
But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us.

Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills.

No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left.



They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life.

Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way !


Well shorten and puddle duck are working hard to destroy our mining and construction jobs, so no matter what qualifications you have, you'll be cleaning toilets and washing dishes as that is about all we will have thanks to their belief in low paying tourism jobs.  Angry Angry Angry



No more than the LNP have ... with their firesale sell offs to foreign nationals.


I see so how many operating coal power plants have they shut down ?
So what has the coalition sold off to foreign nationals ?
Sounds like you think like a communist to make such a daft statement Smiley
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Reply #27 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 7:21pm
 
Pull your head out

How about Victorias & Sth Aust electricity grid?

How about some of the biggest cattle stations in the country.

How about most of our natural resources.

You don't have to look too hard to see who owns what.

And we own SFA.
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Reply #28 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 10:06pm
 
Meanwhile people with degrees are slinging burgers at Macfries and Hungry Jills....
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Reply #29 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 5:53am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 10:06pm:
Meanwhile people with degrees are slinging burgers at Macfries and Hungry Jills....


On minimum wage

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