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Reply #45 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:19pm:
I don't think he knows who Flannery is, other than what he has read in his CEC pamphlets.


That makes sense.

Do you know who Tim Flannery is, Right? If you watch Q&A tonight, you can find out.
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Reply #46 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:39pm
 
I actually like Tim. I'm reading his book on Watkin Tench. His preface is pertinent and insightful. He f#@ked up with his 'sharks swimming down Pitt St' and 'dams never being full again' comments, though.
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Reply #47 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:36am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:39pm:
I actually like Tim. I'm reading his book on Watkin Tench. His preface is pertinent and insightful. He f#@ked up with his 'sharks swimming down Pitt St' and 'dams never being full again' comments, though.


Yes that is the point, in the public eye you don't get second chances once you screw up big time beyond that I don't see him as a specialist but a scientist with dysfunctionality issues. There is nothing in the so called science of climate change that would suggest you could make the precise predictions he did.
Its like using Newtonian Physics to predict speed of light events.
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Reply #48 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:33am
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 1:09pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 1:07pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 12:43pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 9:02am:
Here is an opportunity to lay boot into a guy behind a lot of public waste yet the ABC won't have 1 sceptic to grill this guy.



There is no doubt that Tim Flannery said some things that he probably regrets now. His back ground is in mammalogy (the evolution of mammals) but he has studied the literature on climate science and does have a good grasp of the concepts.

He's probably quite bemused that off-the-cuff comments he made 13 years ago are still being used by conservative commentators to try and discredit him.

Andrew Bolt however has no background in science and the nonsense that he publishes can be easily dismissed. More importantly, trying to discredit Tim Flannery has no effect on the reality of human induced global warming.


Bolt is just a journalist Flannery is just a money seeking grub.


A professor money-seeking grub.


Like Al Gore ... bought & paid for.


No, Gonads, Al Gore's an ex-politician. Tim Flannery's an academic and ex-head of the Climate Council.

They're totally different people.


Roll Eyes You think?
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Reply #49 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:40am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 2:46pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:23am:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:20am:
There is a consensus among economists that putting a price on GHG emissions is the cheapest way to reduce them.


When people like Flannery and yourself are involved in that consensus it disappears in a puff of lack of credibility.



It remains the single biggest combined statement from economists in world history. But by all means, keep clutching for reasons to reject it.

Ajax wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:33am:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:20am:
There is a consensus among economists that putting a price on GHG emissions is the cheapest way to reduce them.


There's also a consensus that says there is a correlation between the amount of atmospheric CO2 and the global mean average temperature.

The only problem is the evidence comes from a computer model and you know what they say about computers right...!!!

We could clean our energy supply without spending billions or trillions on wall street.

1. Bag Filters
2. Electrostatic precipitators
3. Scrubbing
4. Gas instead of coal fired

We could clean up the soot the Nox the Sox that comes from combustion.

CO2 can be emitted into the atmosphere I don't see any problems with that.


There are millions of ways to do it. A price on GHG emissions chooses all the cheapest ones.


So Economists are now Scientists?

There's a lot of bought & paid for economists doing the rounds.

The GFC was a classic example.

The bastards like the bankers should be in jail.


If you wanted to know what was the cheapest way to achieve a large scale change in how we obtain goods and services, would you ask a 'scientist' or an economist?

Their advice is not some unfathomable mystery either, that you have to take their word on.


So you can put a measurement for price on a a colourless odorless gas in our atmosphere as a commodity?

It's carbon dioxide .... not "carbon". Carbon is a solid.

And as I said economics is full of smoke & mirrors BS artists.

Like the banks making money out of nothing or taking out insurance on a product they sell that's bound to fail.

The world is full of trickery.
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Reply #50 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:08am
 
So the only people here rejecting carbon taxes also reject conventional economics?

We have already had a carbon tax. It is easy to do. The administrative burden is actually lower than with most taxes.
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Reply #51 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:11am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:08am:
So the only people here rejecting carbon taxes also reject conventional economics?

We have already had a carbon tax. It is easy to do. The administrative burden is actually lower than with most taxes.


It's a carbon dioxide tax.

It's BS tax.

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Reply #52 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 11:01am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:39pm:
I actually like Tim. I'm reading his book on Watkin Tench. His preface is pertinent and insightful. He f#@ked up with his 'sharks swimming down Pitt St' and 'dams never being full again' comments, though.


Sounds interesting. You'll like him even more, Homo. Tim wants to cut immigration.
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Reply #53 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 4:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
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You mean buying air space over the Maroondah Dam forest or the Amazon forest on wall street Lower Manhattan in New York so you can keep on polluting the atmosphere through the carbon credit scheme.


I mean carbon taxes.


So do I.

Like I said how can buying up air space on wall street through the carbon credit scheme while you keep on polluting the atmosphere indefinitely be better or cheaper for that matter than sticking a filter on the end of those processes to manage the  pollution.

Read between the lines if we are at a point of no return, if we are about to change the Earth so much that we'll become extinct, if AGW is that deadly do you think its the best option to keep on polluting indefinitely as long as you pay, and we will be paying for quite some time it wont be an overnight thing.

There is your answer the oligarchy want to tax us plebs on the FREE AIR that we all breathe while they set up another trillion dollar market on wall street that doesn't need to be there in the first place.

They (the oligarchy) love printing money out of thin air ala ETS schemes right around the world.



The oligarchy must think that us plebs must be dumb cants.






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Reply #54 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:34pm
 
Ajax wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 4:54pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
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You mean buying air space over the Maroondah Dam forest or the Amazon forest on wall street Lower Manhattan in New York so you can keep on polluting the atmosphere through the carbon credit scheme.


I mean carbon taxes.


So do I.

Like I said how can buying up air space on wall street through the carbon credit scheme while you keep on polluting the atmosphere indefinitely be better or cheaper for that matter than sticking a filter on the end of those processes to manage the  pollution.

Read between the lines if we are at a point of no return, if we are about to change the Earth so much that we'll become extinct, if AGW is that deadly do you think its the best option to keep on polluting indefinitely as long as you pay, and we will be paying for quite some time it wont be an overnight thing.

There is your answer the oligarchy want to tax us plebs on the FREE AIR that we all breathe while they set up another trillion dollar market on wall street that doesn't need to be there in the first place.

They (the oligarchy) love printing money out of thin air ala ETS schemes right around the world.



The oligarchy must think that us plebs must be dumb cants.








You say carbon taxes. You mean something else.
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Reply #55 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:05pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:34pm:
Ajax wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 4:54pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
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You mean buying air space over the Maroondah Dam forest or the Amazon forest on wall street Lower Manhattan in New York so you can keep on polluting the atmosphere through the carbon credit scheme.


I mean carbon taxes.


So do I.

Like I said how can buying up air space on wall street through the carbon credit scheme while you keep on polluting the atmosphere indefinitely be better or cheaper for that matter than sticking a filter on the end of those processes to manage the  pollution.

Read between the lines if we are at a point of no return, if we are about to change the Earth so much that we'll become extinct, if AGW is that deadly do you think its the best option to keep on polluting indefinitely as long as you pay, and we will be paying for quite some time it wont be an overnight thing.

There is your answer the oligarchy want to tax us plebs on the FREE AIR that we all breathe while they set up another trillion dollar market on wall street that doesn't need to be there in the first place.

They (the oligarchy) love printing money out of thin air ala ETS schemes right around the world.



The oligarchy must think that us plebs must be dumb cants.








You say carbon taxes. You mean something else.


Carbon credits are issued from carbon sinks.....!!!!

In other words we're buying up the air space above forests.
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Reply #56 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:03pm
 
Carbon credits are nothing to do with carbon tax schemes. They are from cap and trade schemes. Even there, you are inventing your own definition.
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