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Mar 11th, 2018 at 7:25am
 

Is it OK to take [from others] what we don't have ?



Q.
Is it OK to take, what someone else has, because we don't have what [or as much as] they have ?
[Q.    is that the 'morality', which is being imbued into the psyche, of many individuals today, by the mores of society ?]


There seems to be a lot of robbery [i.e. stealing, with violence or with a threat of violence] going on in our suburbs today.

It is on our TV news bulletins almost every night.

The home invasions, the terrified victims, with broken faces.


"Give me your money!"

"Give me your smart phone!"

"Give me your car keys!"



Dictionary;
rob (robbery) = = take property unlawfully from (a person or place) by force or threat of force.


Dictionary;
steal = = take (something) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.




Q.
Is this the society that we want, or that we would choose to live in ?

Q.
Is this the society that the individuals who choose to do robberies and stealing, would choose [for themselves] to live in ?
Really ?



Q.
Why can't we all see ['compute'], that it is always wrong, to simply take, what does not belong to us ?

Do some people here think that question [my Q.], is unrealistic, or that it 'speaks' of originating in the mind of a naive individual ?



QUESTION;
What is the measure of a 'civilised society' ?

i.e.
What is the measure [definition] of the 'civilised' individual ?



MY OPINION;
No matter how poor a person 'perceives' himself to be, that does not give us the right to engage in robbery or stealing from others.




Psalms 25:3
Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause.
4  Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths.


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Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 7:30am
 
Im not sure what you mean about society encouraging it. Perhaps by not allowing some to survive without crime?

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Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:23am
 
THAT CONCEPT CAN BE EASILY EXTRAPOLATED UPON.

You have not worked, therefore you are not entitled.

Like our aboriginals, our muzzo invaders our African monkeys.

They want, they demand, but they have never contributed.

This is where it all starts
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Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:41am
 
the words Home Invasion are pretty new to me ..it was always called.. break and enter or robbery.. in my day but then it was usually by one person only...

now they come in a group...where did we learn that from????.. it seems to be random  and violent...... and cowardly of course....

its time the courts got tougher I am thinking.....

this would leave lasting traumer on people.....these villains deserve no time off for good behavior  its what they do to society that counts.. not how they behave in a cage.
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Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:51am
 
cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:41am:
the words Home Invasion are pretty new to me ..it was always called.. break and enter or robbery.. in my day but then it was usually by one person only...

now they come in a group...where did we learn that from????.. it seems to be random  and violent...... and cowardly of course....

its time the courts got tougher I am thinking.....

this would leave lasting traumer on people.....these villains deserve no time off for good behavior  its what they do to society that counts.. not how they behave in a cage.


Let them come.

I have several razor sharp knives and swords.

I wont kill them, but they will never try it again.

Hamstrung makes it hard to walk, a nice deep archeilies tendon cut never heals well.

Lop off a hand, open up a face, all are well within the abilities of a well trained master.

Let them come, I can argue in court that I feared for my invalid wife against bigger, younger thugs.

Ill take it to the papers and media.

let them come, we shall see who is most afraid.

And if they get the better of me, thats OK

Ill pay someone to take them out, I have plenty of money and Im happy to pay.
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Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:29am
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:51am:
cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:41am:
the words Home Invasion are pretty new to me ..it was always called.. break and enter or robbery.. in my day but then it was usually by one person only...

now they come in a group...where did we learn that from????.. it seems to be random  and violent...... and cowardly of course....

its time the courts got tougher I am thinking.....

this would leave lasting traumer on people.....these villains deserve no time off for good behavior  its what they do to society that counts.. not how they behave in a cage.


Let them come.

I have several razor sharp knives and swords.

I wont kill them, but they will never try it again.

Hamstrung makes it hard to walk, a nice deep archeilies tendon cut never heals well.

Lop off a hand, open up a face, all are well within the abilities of a well trained master.

Let them come, I can argue in court that I feared for my invalid wife against bigger, younger thugs.

Ill take it to the papers and media.

let them come, we shall see who is most afraid.

And if they get the better of me, thats OK

Ill pay someone to take them out, I have plenty of money and Im happy to pay.


Even without killing them i think you would get more time than they would for hurting them Sad

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Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:39am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:29am:
Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:51am:
cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:41am:
the words Home Invasion are pretty new to me ..it was always called.. break and enter or robbery.. in my day but then it was usually by one person only...

now they come in a group...where did we learn that from????.. it seems to be random  and violent...... and cowardly of course....

its time the courts got tougher I am thinking.....

this would leave lasting traumer on people.....these villains deserve no time off for good behavior  its what they do to society that counts.. not how they behave in a cage.


Let them come.

I have several razor sharp knives and swords.

I wont kill them, but they will never try it again.

Hamstrung makes it hard to walk, a nice deep archeilies tendon cut never heals well.

Lop off a hand, open up a face, all are well within the abilities of a well trained master.

Let them come, I can argue in court that I feared for my invalid wife against bigger, younger thugs.

Ill take it to the papers and media.

let them come, we shall see who is most afraid.

And if they get the better of me, thats OK

Ill pay someone to take them out, I have plenty of money and Im happy to pay.


Even without killing them i think you would get more time than they would for hurting them Sad

Spot


Not from what Im led to believe

If there is an invalid in the house and you honestly fear for their lives

and as an old bloke

I believe I can defend myself and my family as long as they break in.

And I will.
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Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:48am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:29am:
Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:51am:
cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:41am:
the words Home Invasion are pretty new to me ..it was always called.. break and enter or robbery.. in my day but then it was usually by one person only...

now they come in a group...where did we learn that from????.. it seems to be random  and violent...... and cowardly of course....

its time the courts got tougher I am thinking.....

this would leave lasting traumer on people.....these villains deserve no time off for good behavior  its what they do to society that counts.. not how they behave in a cage.


Let them come.

I have several razor sharp knives and swords.

I wont kill them, but they will never try it again.

Hamstrung makes it hard to walk, a nice deep archeilies tendon cut never heals well.

Lop off a hand, open up a face, all are well within the abilities of a well trained master.

Let them come, I can argue in court that I feared for my invalid wife against bigger, younger thugs.

Ill take it to the papers and media.

let them come, we shall see who is most afraid.

And if they get the better of me, thats OK

Ill pay someone to take them out, I have plenty of money and Im happy to pay.


Even without killing them i think you would get more time than they would for hurting them Sad

Spot


Yep a friend of mine beat up 3 guys who broke into his home, He was almost in more trouble than the guys who had committed the original crime.
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Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:51am
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 7:25am:

Is it OK to take [from others] what we don't have ?



Q.
Is it OK to take, what someone else has, because we don't have what [or as much as] they have ?
[Q.    is that the 'morality', which is being imbued into the psyche, of many individuals today, by the mores of society ?]


There seems to be a lot of robbery [i.e. stealing, with violence or with a threat of violence] going on in our suburbs today.



Theft and Robbery are not recent things. They have been happening ever since time began.
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Reply #9 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 11:11am
 
cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:41am:
the words Home Invasion are pretty new to me ..it was always called.. break and enter or robbery.. in my day but then it was usually by one person only...

now they come in a group...where did we learn that from????.. it seems to be random  and violent...... and cowardly of course....

its time the courts got tougher I am thinking.....

this would leave lasting traumer on people.....these villains deserve no time off for good behavior  its what they do to society that counts.. not how they behave in a cage.


'break and enter' was just literally breaking in and stealing - not assaulting in a mob and bashing people.
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Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 11:12am
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:51am:
cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:41am:
the words Home Invasion are pretty new to me ..it was always called.. break and enter or robbery.. in my day but then it was usually by one person only...

now they come in a group...where did we learn that from????.. it seems to be random  and violent...... and cowardly of course....

its time the courts got tougher I am thinking.....

this would leave lasting traumer on people.....these villains deserve no time off for good behavior  its what they do to society that counts.. not how they behave in a cage.


Let them come.

I have several razor sharp knives and swords.

I wont kill them, but they will never try it again.

Hamstrung makes it hard to walk, a nice deep archeilies tendon cut never heals well.

Lop off a hand, open up a face, all are well within the abilities of a well trained master.

Let them come, I can argue in court that I feared for my invalid wife against bigger, younger thugs.

Ill take it to the papers and media.

let them come, we shall see who is most afraid.

And if they get the better of me, thats OK

Ill pay someone to take them out, I have plenty of money and Im happy to pay.


Are you a secret Musso?  Hands, off, swords....
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Reply #11 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 11:13am
 
The right to defend home and hearth should be enshrined in law.... that'd soon sort some out.  Turn out the neighbourhood militia.
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Is it OK to take [from others] what we don't have ?


The State does this by progressive taxation.



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Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 11:44am:

Quote:
Is it OK to take [from others] what we don't have ?


The State does this by progressive taxation.




Swagman,

You may consider taxation, to be akin to 'stealing',       but our government(s) 'extracting' taxes from the citizenry is at least legal.

And there is a real, lawful 'remedy' to eliminate taxation by a government.

i.e.
Change the government.

Elect a group of pollies who will promise to remove your obligation to pay taxes [haha].



You then will not complain so loudly [about taxation].....

But i suspect that you would complain
that the roads are broken,
that bridges are falling down,
that there are no state schools,
no public hospitals,
and no police departments,
no law courts, and
no defence force, etc, etc.



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Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 11:44am:
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Is it OK to take [from others] what we don't have ?


The State does this by progressive taxation.



The senior execs do it openly by putting their fingers in the till and then calling the loot "bonuses"
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Reply #15 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 12:21pm
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 12:06pm:
You may consider taxation, to be akin to 'stealing'


....progressive taxation.

Yadda wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 12:06pm:
Elect a group of pollies who will promise to remove your obligation to pay taxes [haha].


....ochlocrats are not going to vote themselves less money when they can legally enslave minorities and steal their rewards for effort / enterprise.

Just because a majority makes it legal doesn't mean its right.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 11:12am:
Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:51am:
cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:41am:
the words Home Invasion are pretty new to me ..it was always called.. break and enter or robbery.. in my day but then it was usually by one person only...

now they come in a group...where did we learn that from????.. it seems to be random  and violent...... and cowardly of course....

its time the courts got tougher I am thinking.....

this would leave lasting traumer on people.....these villains deserve no time off for good behavior  its what they do to society that counts.. not how they behave in a cage.


Let them come.

I have several razor sharp knives and swords.

I wont kill them, but they will never try it again.

Hamstrung makes it hard to walk, a nice deep archeilies tendon cut never heals well.

Lop off a hand, open up a face, all are well within the abilities of a well trained master.

Let them come, I can argue in court that I feared for my invalid wife against bigger, younger thugs.

Ill take it to the papers and media.

let them come, we shall see who is most afraid.

And if they get the better of me, thats OK

Ill pay someone to take them out, I have plenty of money and Im happy to pay.


Are you a secret Musso?  Hands, off, swords....


Not on your Nelly.

Muzzos use machete or blunt knives

I use Katana and Damascus bladed knives very sharp
Sharp enough to shave with.

Muzzos are too lazy/stoopid/ barbaric and useless to know how to sharpen a knife or blade correctly.

It takes hours, several grades of stile and finally a good strip to remove the burr.

It would be interesting to see just how easy they woukd part flesh.
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Reply #17 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 12:29pm
 
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Just because a majority makes it legal doesn't mean its right.




Life is rarely fair.

"Such is life."



another one.....

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Reply #18 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 12:36pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 12:29pm:

I use Katana and Damascus bladed knives very sharp



Valkie,

Wouldn't a Wakizashi or a cutlass be more suited, indoors [confined spaces] ?


I wouldn't choose a Katana, for indoors!



p.s.
Did you see the scene, in Kill Bill 2........in the caravan/mobile home, with Katanas ?

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Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 12:29pm:
............I use Katana and Damascus bladed knives very sharp
Sharp enough to shave with.

Muzzos are too lazy/stoopid/ barbaric and useless to know how to sharpen a knife or blade correctly.

It takes hours, several grades of stile and finally a good strip to remove the burr.

It would be interesting to see just how easy they woukd part flesh.


Have just honed up 3 of my Tojiros.
Used the medium and fine grit Whetstones then my leather strop.

I was a bit rushed and not very focussed.
One knife has fine chips on the edge.
Some heathen 'had a go' at it a while ago
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I trained in hand to hand and knife fighting.
Ideally, I prefer two blades, very sharp Karambit blades to be exact
For close quarters, these are ideal for several reasons.

The Katana is more for show, long blades tend to scare people more, but as you point out, not much good in close quarters.

As for sharpening my blades
I start on a new blade with 320 grit and gradually work down to an Arkansas stone
Then I strip them to remove the microscopic burr that forms on the edge.
To get a nice shiny edge I use 6 diamond paste. On the strop.

The angle is also critical
Too much makes the blade too fragile
Too little and it isn't sharp enough

Sometimes it takes hours and hours
But the end result is a beautifully sharp blade

To preserve the blade, as only carbon steel holds a good edge, I liberally use olive oil
For sharpening and lubricating the stones, baby oil.

They have to be cleaned at least fortnightly, it's a labour of love.
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Reply #21 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 2:21pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
Yadda wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 12:06pm:
You may consider taxation, to be akin to 'stealing'


....progressive taxation.

Yadda wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 12:06pm:
Elect a group of pollies who will promise to remove your obligation to pay taxes [haha].


....ochlocrats are not going to vote themselves less money when they can legally enslave minorities and steal their rewards for effort / enterprise.

Just because a majority makes it legal doesn't mean its right.

How does swaggy sleep at night if not for progressive taxation?

Standing armies and industrial complexes cost money ya know!

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What happens in prison when you get caught stealing?

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Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 1:27pm:
I trained in hand to hand and knife fighting.
Ideally, I prefer two blades, very sharp Karambit blades to be exact
For close quarters, these are ideal for several reasons.

The Katana is more for show, long blades tend to scare people more, but as you point out, not much good in close quarters.

As for sharpening my blades
I start on a new blade with 320 grit and gradually work down to an Arkansas stone
Then I strip them to remove the microscopic burr that forms on the edge.
To get a nice shiny edge I use 6 diamond paste. On the strop.

The angle is also critical
Too much makes the blade too fragile
Too little and it isn't sharp enough

Sometimes it takes hours and hours
But the end result is a beautifully sharp blade

To preserve the blade, as only carbon steel holds a good edge, I liberally use olive oil
For sharpening and lubricating the stones, baby oil.

They have to be cleaned at least fortnightly, it's a labour of love.


never heard of a 'Karambit blade' or 'strip them to remove the microscopic burr'.

Feel free to educate me

I use a 240, 1000, 3000 and 8000 grit Kasumi whetstones.
Use a diamond plate to flatten the whetstones.
Also a Nagura stone to condition the whetstones.

have calculated the thickness of perspex blocks to give me 15 degrees for various width blades
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Reply #24 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 4:18am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:46pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 1:27pm:
I trained in hand to hand and knife fighting.
Ideally, I prefer two blades, very sharp Karambit blades to be exact
For close quarters, these are ideal for several reasons.

The Katana is more for show, long blades tend to scare people more, but as you point out, not much good in close quarters.

As for sharpening my blades
I start on a new blade with 320 grit and gradually work down to an Arkansas stone
Then I strip them to remove the microscopic burr that forms on the edge.
To get a nice shiny edge I use 6 diamond paste. On the strop.

The angle is also critical
Too much makes the blade too fragile
Too little and it isn't sharp enough

Sometimes it takes hours and hours
But the end result is a beautifully sharp blade

To preserve the blade, as only carbon steel holds a good edge, I liberally use olive oil
For sharpening and lubricating the stones, baby oil.

They have to be cleaned at least fortnightly, it's a labour of love.


never heard of a 'Karambit blade' or 'strip them to remove the microscopic burr'.

Feel free to educate me

I use a 240, 1000, 3000 and 8000 grit Kasumi whetstones.
Use a diamond plate to flatten the whetstones.
Also a Nagura stone to condition the whetstones.

have calculated the thickness of perspex blocks to give me 15 degrees for various width blades


Strip, should be strop
Bloody spell check

The technique using diamond plate is quite good
But for me, overly expensive
I have never gone to 8000 grit stones
2000, 3000 yes, but never 8000
You be more patient than I

The Arkansas stone is probably very close, though.
The diamond paste does little if any sharpening, it's to polish the edge.
15 Deg, a little sharp for some blades, even my sharpest stay at 20

The stropping removes the near microscopic burr from sharpening
Try it, you will be surprised at the end result.
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The right to defend home and hearth should be enshrined in law.... that'd soon sort some out.  Turn out the neighbourhood militia.



But its not in australia Sad

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cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:41am:
the words Home Invasion are pretty new to me ..it was always called.. break and enter or robbery.. in my day but then it was usually by one person only...

now they come in a group...where did we learn that from????.. it seems to be random  and violent...... and cowardly of course....

its time the courts got tougher I am thinking.....

this would leave lasting traumer on people.....these villains deserve no time off for good behavior  its what they do to society that counts.. not how they behave in a cage.


Let them come.

I have several razor sharp knives and swords.

I wont kill them, but they will never try it again.

Hamstrung makes it hard to walk, a nice deep archeilies tendon cut never heals well.

Lop off a hand, open up a face, all are well within the abilities of a well trained master.

Let them come, I can argue in court that I feared for my invalid wife against bigger, younger thugs.

Ill take it to the papers and media.

let them come, we shall see who is most afraid.

And if they get the better of me, thats OK

Ill pay someone to take them out, I have plenty of money and Im happy to pay.



I believe that it's illegal to own a sword.
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Reply #27 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:18pm
 
Bobby wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 6:19am:
Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:51am:
cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:41am:
the words Home Invasion are pretty new to me ..it was always called.. break and enter or robbery.. in my day but then it was usually by one person only...

now they come in a group...where did we learn that from????.. it seems to be random  and violent...... and cowardly of course....

its time the courts got tougher I am thinking.....

this would leave lasting traumer on people.....these villains deserve no time off for good behavior  its what they do to society that counts.. not how they behave in a cage.


Let them come.

I have several razor sharp knives and swords.

I wont kill them, but they will never try it again.

Hamstrung makes it hard to walk, a nice deep archeilies tendon cut never heals well.

Lop off a hand, open up a face, all are well within the abilities of a well trained master.

Let them come, I can argue in court that I feared for my invalid wife against bigger, younger thugs.

Ill take it to the papers and media.

let them come, we shall see who is most afraid.

And if they get the better of me, thats OK

Ill pay someone to take them out, I have plenty of money and Im happy to pay.



I believe that it's illegal to own a sword.


It's not ILLEGAL to own one, just to take it outside without a valid reason.
I have many martial arts weapons.
All could be classified ILLEGAL except when used for training and demonstration purposes.

And they have to be stored somewhere, so in my house is as good as anywhere.

If the grubberment decided to make owning weapons with edges ILLEGAL.
It would be an interesting exercise in stupidity.
No chainsaws, so trees could not be trimmed
No handsaws, dangerous weapon.
No chisels,  no screwdrivers, no time cutters, no link cutters etc etc etc.

Tradesmen would have to chew the wood, won't that be expensive.

I realize our grubberment have a morbid fear of everything that could be a possible weapon.
But even these buffoons woukd have difficulty enforcing that sort of legislation.

Then, just to be sure, they woukd have to ban martial arts.
And any returned soldiers would have to be Locked up as possible weapons.

No my friend.
It's not ILLEGAL to own most bladed weapons
Just the ones the buffoons think are dangerous.
Like a flick knife is any more dangerous than a fixed blade.
Or a historic officer is a dangerous weapon.
A  1 inch bladed pocket knife.

No wonder our country is in so much trouble, with these deadbeats in charge
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Is it OK to take [from others] what we don't have ?



Q.
Is it OK to take, what someone else has, because we don't have what [or as much as] they have ?
[Q.    is that the 'morality', which is being imbued into the psyche, of many individuals today, by the mores of society ?]


There seems to be a lot of robbery [i.e. stealing, with violence or with a threat of violence] going on in our suburbs today.

It is on our TV news bulletins almost every night.

The home invasions, the terrified victims, with broken faces.


"Give me your money!"

"Give me your smart phone!"

"Give me your car keys!"



Dictionary;
rob (robbery) = = take property unlawfully from (a person or place) by force or threat of force.


Dictionary;
steal = = take (something) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.




Q.
Is this the society that we want, or that we would choose to live in ?

Q.
Is this the society that the individuals who choose to do robberies and stealing, would choose [for themselves] to live in ?
Really ?



Q.
Why can't we all see ['compute'], that it is always wrong, to simply take, what does not belong to us ?

Do some people here think that question [my Q.], is unrealistic, or that it 'speaks' of originating in the mind of a naive individual ?



QUESTION;
What is the measure of a 'civilised society' ?

i.e.
What is the measure [definition] of the 'civilised' individual ?



MY OPINION;
No matter how poor a person 'perceives' himself to be, that does not give us the right to engage in robbery or stealing from others.




Psalms 25:3
Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause.
4  Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths.




Excuse me, Y, is this a trick question?
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One time i had a party and some guy brought a humungus crossbow. Not cool

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Valkie wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 4:18am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:46pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 1:27pm:
I trained in hand to hand and knife fighting.
Ideally, I prefer two blades, very sharp Karambit blades to be exact
For close quarters, these are ideal for several reasons.

The Katana is more for show, long blades tend to scare people more, but as you point out, not much good in close quarters.

As for sharpening my blades
I start on a new blade with 320 grit and gradually work down to an Arkansas stone
Then I strip them to remove the microscopic burr that forms on the edge.
To get a nice shiny edge I use 6 diamond paste. On the strop.

The angle is also critical
Too much makes the blade too fragile
Too little and it isn't sharp enough

Sometimes it takes hours and hours
But the end result is a beautifully sharp blade

To preserve the blade, as only carbon steel holds a good edge, I liberally use olive oil
For sharpening and lubricating the stones, baby oil.

They have to be cleaned at least fortnightly, it's a labour of love.


never heard of a 'Karambit blade' or 'strip them to remove the microscopic burr'.

Feel free to educate me

I use a 240, 1000, 3000 and 8000 grit Kasumi whetstones.
Use a diamond plate to flatten the whetstones.
Also a Nagura stone to condition the whetstones.

have calculated the thickness of perspex blocks to give me 15 degrees for various width blades


Strip, should be strop
Bloody spell check

The technique using diamond plate is quite good
But for me, overly expensive
I have never gone to 8000 grit stones
2000, 3000 yes, but never 8000
You be more patient than I

The Arkansas stone is probably very close, though.
The diamond paste does little if any sharpening, it's to polish the edge.
15 Deg, a little sharp for some blades, even my sharpest stay at 20

The stropping removes the near microscopic burr from sharpening
Try it, you will be surprised at the end result.


yes, stroppping is very good.
Saw a few good youtubes on it.
I use the whetstones about every month, the strop weekly or more often.

My knives have a RHC of 60 or 61.
An angle of 15 degrees is what the factory set them too.
I have done them on less, beautiful to use.
Can't feel where they touch the tomato/apple/carrot.

steels with a lower RHC I do to 20 degrees.

My whetstones are not ceramic, they need flattening quite often.
Mainly use the 1000 and 3000 grit stones.
240 is for removing chips or reshaping.
8000 is for when I am very good at the 3000 stone.
Have used it - is for giving a mirror shine.

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It works for Israelis.
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It works for Israelis.



Unforgettable,

It works for moslems too.

ISLAM, was spread with the sword, and with murder and with terror.



IMAGE.....
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Unforgettable,

Q.
When are the Spanish going to return Spain to ISLAM/moslems ?


Every moslem knows,      that the whole of the Spanish peninsula rightly belongs to moslems.
[ISLAMIC doctrine]




IMAGE.....
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"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have take our land, and we are a homeless people.
WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!

Those dastardly Zionists!!

We want our land back."



Yeah, well, the Jews did too.




Unforgettable,

If the moslems want 'Palestine' back, why don't they simply TAKE IT ?

6-7 million Israelis, surrounded by about 220+ million moslems.



Oh yeah!, the moslem nations that surround Israel tried that a few times, already.



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Quote:
  yes, stroppping is very good.
Saw a few good youtubes on it.
I use the whetstones about every month, the strop weekly or more often.

My knives have a RHC of 60 or 61.
An angle of 15 degrees is what the factory set them too.
I have done them on less, beautiful to use.
Can't feel where they touch the tomato/apple/carrot.

steels with a lower RHC I do to 20 degrees.

My whetstones are not ceramic, they need flattening quite often.
Mainly use the 1000 and 3000 grit stones.
240 is for removing chips or reshaping.
8000 is for when I am very good at the 3000 stone.
Have used it - is for giving a mirror shine.   


Yeah, the nice hard blade, perfect for keeping a razor edge.
But I need my blades more utilitarian,  15 Deg would not stand up to the punishment of a fight or cutting into bone.
The hard blades can also be prone to breakage if caught, say, between ribs etc.
That's why I like my Damascus blades.

For what your blades, it seems you have the perfect solution.

Each to their own.
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Valkie wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 4:54pm:
Quote:
  yes, stroppping is very good.
Saw a few good youtubes on it.
I use the whetstones about every month, the strop weekly or more often.

My knives have a RHC of 60 or 61.
An angle of 15 degrees is what the factory set them too.
I have done them on less, beautiful to use.
Can't feel where they touch the tomato/apple/carrot.

steels with a lower RHC I do to 20 degrees.

My whetstones are not ceramic, they need flattening quite often.
Mainly use the 1000 and 3000 grit stones.
240 is for removing chips or reshaping.
8000 is for when I am very good at the 3000 stone.
Have used it - is for giving a mirror shine.   


Yeah, the nice hard blade, perfect for keeping a razor edge.
But I need my blades more utilitarian,  15 Deg would not stand up to the punishment of a fight or cutting into bone.
The hard blades can also be prone to breakage if caught, say, between ribs etc.
That's why I like my Damascus blades.

For what your blades, it seems you have the perfect solution.

Each to their own.


the damascus knives are art.
I pondered on those, thought my knife skills would make them a waste.

Maybe in the future I'll give myself a special present.
I use them lovingly in the kitchen. They like your olive oil idea. Protects the blade beautifully.

The downstairs/garden knives I sharpen to 20 degrees using a cheap whetstone.

The difference between the cheap and good whetstones I can easily feel and recognise now.

I use the nagura stone often and am careful to keep my whetstones flat. If they are not flat, the sharpening will be poor.

Wonder if i can make money from sharpening knives ?
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Quote:
. the damascus knives are art.
I pondered on those, thought my knife skills would make them a waste.

Maybe in the future I'll give myself a special present.
I use them lovingly in the kitchen. They like your olive oil idea. Protects the blade beautifully.

The downstairs/garden knives I sharpen to 20 degrees using a cheap whetstone.

The difference between the cheap and good whetstones I can easily feel and recognise now.

I use the nagura stone often and am careful to keep my whetstones flat. If they are not flat, the sharpening will be poor.

Wonder if i can make money from sharpening knives ?   e


I doubt it
Anyone who appreciates a good blade tends to sharpen their own.

My first Damascus blade was a kitchen knife
Not sure exactly what it's called
It was a broad blade and absolutely beautiful

I purchased it in Shanghai from a good store and it cost me several hundred dollars.

This was several years ago and I seriously mistreated it to the point of it no longer being a beautiful knife, just a tool.

I'm still looking for a reasonably priced Karambit knife that is also good quality.

My own holy Grail

For the time being, the Karambit I have are plain old steel

But my other fighting knives are Damascus
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Valkie wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
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. the damascus knives are art.
I pondered on those, thought my knife skills would make them a waste.

Maybe in the future I'll give myself a special present.
I use them lovingly in the kitchen. They like your olive oil idea. Protects the blade beautifully.

The downstairs/garden knives I sharpen to 20 degrees using a cheap whetstone.

The difference between the cheap and good whetstones I can easily feel and recognise now.

I use the nagura stone often and am careful to keep my whetstones flat. If they are not flat, the sharpening will be poor.

Wonder if i can make money from sharpening knives ?   e


I doubt it
Anyone who appreciates a good blade tends to sharpen their own.

My first Damascus blade was a kitchen knife
Not sure exactly what it's called
It was a broad blade and absolutely beautiful

I purchased it in Shanghai from a good store and it cost me several hundred dollars.

This was several years ago and I seriously mistreated it to the point of it no longer being a beautiful knife, just a tool.

I'm still looking for a reasonably priced Karambit knife that is also good quality.

My own holy Grail

For the time being, the Karambit I have are plain old steel

But my other fighting knives are Damascus



' ......... Anyone who appreciates a good blade tends to sharpen their own. ........... '

Yes, that is absolutely it.
If they like a sharp knife, they sharpen their own.
If they don't care, they are not my customer anyway.

I like artwork, damascus bladed knives are art.


' ....... a reasonably priced Karambit knife that is also good quality .......... '

that will be a good find. Karambit knives are specialised anyway



I am very pleased when guests comment on the sharpness of my kitchen knives.
Most knives in most kitchen are appalling
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Reply #37 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:28pm
 
Something my father taught me was

You have more chance of cutting yourself with a dull blade than a sharp one

He means that you fight a dull blade and it can slip, whereas a sharp blade is a known and cuts as you expect.
Just like using a dull chisel or saw blade.

When I want to the UK last year, or the year before (getting old)
I went to a small museum in London
In a glass case was the most beautifully presented broadsword with folded layers in a pattern as I have never seen before.

I looked at it for nearly 1\2 hour it was so beautiful.
This was a reproduction of a rusty old sword sitting above it in the same glass case.

As a tradesman, I truly appreciate this level of skill
Far beyond anything I could hope to produce at this time, perhaps ever.
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