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Re: Is it OK to take what we don't have ?
Reply #30 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 2:55pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 4:18am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:46pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 1:27pm:
I trained in hand to hand and knife fighting.
Ideally, I prefer two blades, very sharp Karambit blades to be exact
For close quarters, these are ideal for several reasons.

The Katana is more for show, long blades tend to scare people more, but as you point out, not much good in close quarters.

As for sharpening my blades
I start on a new blade with 320 grit and gradually work down to an Arkansas stone
Then I strip them to remove the microscopic burr that forms on the edge.
To get a nice shiny edge I use 6 diamond paste. On the strop.

The angle is also critical
Too much makes the blade too fragile
Too little and it isn't sharp enough

Sometimes it takes hours and hours
But the end result is a beautifully sharp blade

To preserve the blade, as only carbon steel holds a good edge, I liberally use olive oil
For sharpening and lubricating the stones, baby oil.

They have to be cleaned at least fortnightly, it's a labour of love.


never heard of a 'Karambit blade' or 'strip them to remove the microscopic burr'.

Feel free to educate me

I use a 240, 1000, 3000 and 8000 grit Kasumi whetstones.
Use a diamond plate to flatten the whetstones.
Also a Nagura stone to condition the whetstones.

have calculated the thickness of perspex blocks to give me 15 degrees for various width blades


Strip, should be strop
Bloody spell check

The technique using diamond plate is quite good
But for me, overly expensive
I have never gone to 8000 grit stones
2000, 3000 yes, but never 8000
You be more patient than I

The Arkansas stone is probably very close, though.
The diamond paste does little if any sharpening, it's to polish the edge.
15 Deg, a little sharp for some blades, even my sharpest stay at 20

The stropping removes the near microscopic burr from sharpening
Try it, you will be surprised at the end result.


yes, stroppping is very good.
Saw a few good youtubes on it.
I use the whetstones about every month, the strop weekly or more often.

My knives have a RHC of 60 or 61.
An angle of 15 degrees is what the factory set them too.
I have done them on less, beautiful to use.
Can't feel where they touch the tomato/apple/carrot.

steels with a lower RHC I do to 20 degrees.

My whetstones are not ceramic, they need flattening quite often.
Mainly use the 1000 and 3000 grit stones.
240 is for removing chips or reshaping.
8000 is for when I am very good at the 3000 stone.
Have used it - is for giving a mirror shine.

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Reply #31 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 3:08pm
 
It works for Israelis.
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Reply #32 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 4:54pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 3:08pm:

It works for Israelis.



Unforgettable,

It works for moslems too.

ISLAM, was spread with the sword, and with murder and with terror.



IMAGE.....
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Unforgettable,

Q.
When are the Spanish going to return Spain to ISLAM/moslems ?


Every moslem knows,      that the whole of the Spanish peninsula rightly belongs to moslems.
[ISLAMIC doctrine]




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"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have take our land, and we are a homeless people.
WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!

Those dastardly Zionists!!

We want our land back."



Yeah, well, the Jews did too.




Unforgettable,

If the moslems want 'Palestine' back, why don't they simply TAKE IT ?

6-7 million Israelis, surrounded by about 220+ million moslems.



Oh yeah!, the moslem nations that surround Israel tried that a few times, already.



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Re: Is it OK to take what we don't have ?
Reply #33 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 4:54pm
 
Quote:
  yes, stroppping is very good.
Saw a few good youtubes on it.
I use the whetstones about every month, the strop weekly or more often.

My knives have a RHC of 60 or 61.
An angle of 15 degrees is what the factory set them too.
I have done them on less, beautiful to use.
Can't feel where they touch the tomato/apple/carrot.

steels with a lower RHC I do to 20 degrees.

My whetstones are not ceramic, they need flattening quite often.
Mainly use the 1000 and 3000 grit stones.
240 is for removing chips or reshaping.
8000 is for when I am very good at the 3000 stone.
Have used it - is for giving a mirror shine.   


Yeah, the nice hard blade, perfect for keeping a razor edge.
But I need my blades more utilitarian,  15 Deg would not stand up to the punishment of a fight or cutting into bone.
The hard blades can also be prone to breakage if caught, say, between ribs etc.
That's why I like my Damascus blades.

For what your blades, it seems you have the perfect solution.

Each to their own.
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Reply #34 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:31pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 4:54pm:
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  yes, stroppping is very good.
Saw a few good youtubes on it.
I use the whetstones about every month, the strop weekly or more often.

My knives have a RHC of 60 or 61.
An angle of 15 degrees is what the factory set them too.
I have done them on less, beautiful to use.
Can't feel where they touch the tomato/apple/carrot.

steels with a lower RHC I do to 20 degrees.

My whetstones are not ceramic, they need flattening quite often.
Mainly use the 1000 and 3000 grit stones.
240 is for removing chips or reshaping.
8000 is for when I am very good at the 3000 stone.
Have used it - is for giving a mirror shine.   


Yeah, the nice hard blade, perfect for keeping a razor edge.
But I need my blades more utilitarian,  15 Deg would not stand up to the punishment of a fight or cutting into bone.
The hard blades can also be prone to breakage if caught, say, between ribs etc.
That's why I like my Damascus blades.

For what your blades, it seems you have the perfect solution.

Each to their own.


the damascus knives are art.
I pondered on those, thought my knife skills would make them a waste.

Maybe in the future I'll give myself a special present.
I use them lovingly in the kitchen. They like your olive oil idea. Protects the blade beautifully.

The downstairs/garden knives I sharpen to 20 degrees using a cheap whetstone.

The difference between the cheap and good whetstones I can easily feel and recognise now.

I use the nagura stone often and am careful to keep my whetstones flat. If they are not flat, the sharpening will be poor.

Wonder if i can make money from sharpening knives ?
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Re: Is it OK to take what we don't have ?
Reply #35 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 4:35pm
 
Quote:
. the damascus knives are art.
I pondered on those, thought my knife skills would make them a waste.

Maybe in the future I'll give myself a special present.
I use them lovingly in the kitchen. They like your olive oil idea. Protects the blade beautifully.

The downstairs/garden knives I sharpen to 20 degrees using a cheap whetstone.

The difference between the cheap and good whetstones I can easily feel and recognise now.

I use the nagura stone often and am careful to keep my whetstones flat. If they are not flat, the sharpening will be poor.

Wonder if i can make money from sharpening knives ?   e


I doubt it
Anyone who appreciates a good blade tends to sharpen their own.

My first Damascus blade was a kitchen knife
Not sure exactly what it's called
It was a broad blade and absolutely beautiful

I purchased it in Shanghai from a good store and it cost me several hundred dollars.

This was several years ago and I seriously mistreated it to the point of it no longer being a beautiful knife, just a tool.

I'm still looking for a reasonably priced Karambit knife that is also good quality.

My own holy Grail

For the time being, the Karambit I have are plain old steel

But my other fighting knives are Damascus
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Reply #36 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:12pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
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. the damascus knives are art.
I pondered on those, thought my knife skills would make them a waste.

Maybe in the future I'll give myself a special present.
I use them lovingly in the kitchen. They like your olive oil idea. Protects the blade beautifully.

The downstairs/garden knives I sharpen to 20 degrees using a cheap whetstone.

The difference between the cheap and good whetstones I can easily feel and recognise now.

I use the nagura stone often and am careful to keep my whetstones flat. If they are not flat, the sharpening will be poor.

Wonder if i can make money from sharpening knives ?   e


I doubt it
Anyone who appreciates a good blade tends to sharpen their own.

My first Damascus blade was a kitchen knife
Not sure exactly what it's called
It was a broad blade and absolutely beautiful

I purchased it in Shanghai from a good store and it cost me several hundred dollars.

This was several years ago and I seriously mistreated it to the point of it no longer being a beautiful knife, just a tool.

I'm still looking for a reasonably priced Karambit knife that is also good quality.

My own holy Grail

For the time being, the Karambit I have are plain old steel

But my other fighting knives are Damascus



' ......... Anyone who appreciates a good blade tends to sharpen their own. ........... '

Yes, that is absolutely it.
If they like a sharp knife, they sharpen their own.
If they don't care, they are not my customer anyway.

I like artwork, damascus bladed knives are art.


' ....... a reasonably priced Karambit knife that is also good quality .......... '

that will be a good find. Karambit knives are specialised anyway



I am very pleased when guests comment on the sharpness of my kitchen knives.
Most knives in most kitchen are appalling
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Re: Is it OK to take what we don't have ?
Reply #37 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:28pm
 
Something my father taught me was

You have more chance of cutting yourself with a dull blade than a sharp one

He means that you fight a dull blade and it can slip, whereas a sharp blade is a known and cuts as you expect.
Just like using a dull chisel or saw blade.

When I want to the UK last year, or the year before (getting old)
I went to a small museum in London
In a glass case was the most beautifully presented broadsword with folded layers in a pattern as I have never seen before.

I looked at it for nearly 1\2 hour it was so beautiful.
This was a reproduction of a rusty old sword sitting above it in the same glass case.

As a tradesman, I truly appreciate this level of skill
Far beyond anything I could hope to produce at this time, perhaps ever.
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