Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 
Send Topic Print
Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign (Read 1956 times)
whiteknight
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2773
melbourne
Gender: male
Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:45am
 
Unions attack work laws with biggest ad campaign in decade
Sydney Morning Herald
11 March 2018

   

Unions will launch their biggest advertising push in more than a decade as part of a pre-election campaign to overhaul Australia’s workplace laws.   Smiley

The ACTU said the national advertising campaign would run for eight weeks from Sunday and would be its largest since its 2005-07 campaign against the Howard government’s WorkChoices laws.




It would not disclose how much it would spend but it is expected to be at least several million dollars with advertising on TV, online, print, radio and billboards.

Its anti-WorkChoices campaign involved spending $14.4 million on advertising ahead of the 2007 election, filings with the Australian Electoral Commission show.

At the last federal election in 2016, the ACTU spent more than $3 million on advertising while in 2010 and 2013 it spent more than $5 million on advertising on each of those federal elections.


The latest advertisements highlight workers struggling with bills and insecure work. They attack big business.

In one, a teary woman who appears to be aged in her 20s or 30s, is talking to her mother and says:

‘’Mum the company is making huge profits and here I am being pushed into labour hire, they’ve forced me into casual work, I don’t even know if I’m working next week. I just don't know what I'm going to do.''   Sad

Her mother replies, ‘’I know love, it’s not fair.’’


The ads are part of the ACTU's 'Change the Rules' campaign

The anti-WorkChoices campaign, Your Rights at Work, helped elect the Rudd Labor government and resulted in the introduction of the Fair Work Act.

Unions as part of the 'Change the Rules' campaign are now pushing to change those same Fair Work laws by electing a new Labor government.

Since the Rudd government was elected, union membership has continued to slide from 19 per cent of the workforce in 2007 to 15.6 per cent a decade later.


The unions ran a massive campaign against the Howard government's WorkChoices laws.


ACTU secretary Sally McManus said big business had too much power, insecure work was rife while workers were struggling to get pay rises.   Sad

''Working people want change,’’ she said.

''They’re sick of one-third of big businesses not paying tax. They’re sick of watching CEO bonuses going up, company profits going up while their own pay falls behind basic living costs.''   Sad

Employer groups have described the ACTU’s ‘Change the Rules’ campaign as ''self serving’’ and claim the Fair Work laws already give too much power to unions.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Spot of Borg
Gold Member
*****
Offline


WE ARE BORG

Posts: 21505
Australia
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 7:14am
 
Its a real problem. Not sure why they need to advertise though. Perhaps a lot of the people who arent forced into casual labour arent aware. I had a friend who was casual for 30 years then 1 day they said to her "dont come in tomorrow". No super or anything.

Spot
Back to top
 

Whaaaaaah!
I'm a 
Moron!
- edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope
WWW PoliticsAneReligion  
IP Logged
 
56 44
Gold Member
*****
Online


Congratulations PM Bill
Shorten

Posts: 24963
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 7:26am
 
The only way to change the laws is to change government.

Looking forward to landslide labor victory  Smiley
Back to top
 

JuLiars prediction Mar 8 2017
Trend is for Labor to go down the drain'
Labor win WA, QLD,VIC increased majority Smiley
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 55194
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 7:26am
 
It should be the right of every man to withdraw his labor.

That rule is gone.
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Bam
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17177
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:40am
 
The massive problems with IR laws have built up over time as a result of conservative governments squeezing workers too hard. Labor were in office for two terms but couldn't do enough to fix the problem.

The workplace laws are far too heavily slanted in favour of employers and that must be changed. We need to restore the right to strike, put strong downward pressure on casualisation, crack down on unpaid overtime, greatly increase the penalties for employers who harm their employees including prison terms for workplace deaths, abolish sham contracting, allow workers to sue employers for massive sums of money who hire replacement staff during lockouts or for unpaid wages, take much stronger action to combat wage theft including prison terms for employers, and so on.

The assertion by employer groups that IR laws are slanted in favour of unions is ludicrous nonsense.
Back to top
 

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.
 
IP Logged
 
cods
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 70820
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:06am
 
what exactly does the ACTU want changed??



it always seems to me.....


all they really want is more POWER FOR THE UNIONS...more reason for their being....


Quote:
Since the Rudd government was elected, union membership has continued to slide from 19 per cent of the workforce in 2007 to 15.6 per cent a decade later.



Quote:
It would not disclose how much it would spend but it is expected to be at least several million dollars with advertising on TV, online, print, radio and billboards.



they owe it to their members to say how much of their money they are spending...

if a CEO of big business spent their workers money on advertising for the Liberal   I am sure there would be many complaining!!!!!!  on here at any rate! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I have no idea what MASSIVE PROBLEMS exists with IR laws.......

we are in huge changing times... it is a sad fact of life many jobs do not exist anymore  and it wont be long before bus drivers will be a thing of the past....its got seriously nothing to do with big business....

its called

progress..

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36890
Here
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:18am
 
Bobby wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 7:26am:
It should be the right of every man to withdraw his labor.

That rule is gone.


Its been gone a long time and it was never the right thing to do. It is almost a basic human right.

The only effective way in which employees can protect their safety and protect their standards in the workplace.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36890
Here
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:24am
 
cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:06am:
what exactly does the ACTU want changed??



it always seems to me.....


all they really want is more POWER FOR THE UNIONS...more reason for their being....


Quote:
Since the Rudd government was elected, union membership has continued to slide from 19 per cent of the workforce in 2007 to 15.6 per cent a decade later.



Quote:
It would not disclose how much it would spend but it is expected to be at least several million dollars with advertising on TV, online, print, radio and billboards.



they owe it to their members to say how much of their money they are spending...

if a CEO of big business spent their workers money on advertising for the Liberal   I am sure there would be many complaining!!!!!!  on here at any rate! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I have no idea what MASSIVE PROBLEMS exists with IR laws.......

we are in huge changing times... it is a sad fact of life many jobs do not exist anymore  and it wont be long before bus drivers will be a thing of the past....its got seriously nothing to do with big business....

its called

progress..



Quote:
all they really want is more POWER FOR THE UNIONS...more reason for their being....


The problems in IR are real and have to be fixed, you could not be further from the truth.


Quote:
they owe it to their members to say how much of their money they are spending...


Their members are the ones asking for this to happen. You wouldn't be thinking that union members would want to continue indefinitely with no pay rises in a system skewed against them ?

Quote:
if a CEO of big business spent their workers money on advertising for the Liberal 


What do you mean if - they do.

Besides this isn't advertising for Labor this is advertising for employees. This is clearly part of their job.
.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
salad in
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5929
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 10:32am
 
whiteknight wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:45am:
Unions attack work laws with biggest ad campaign in decade
Sydney Morning Herald
11 March 2018

Unions will launch their biggest advertising push in more than a decade as part of a pre-election campaign to overhaul Australia’s workplace laws.   Smiley

ACTU secretary Sally McManus said big business had too much power, insecure work was rife while workers were struggling to get pay rises.   Sad


C'mon Sally why worry about the laws. I thought you said people should break the law if they feel like it.
Back to top
 

The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 55194
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #9 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 10:51am
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:18am:
Bobby wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 7:26am:
It should be the right of every man to withdraw his labor.

That rule is gone.


Its been gone a long time and it was never the right thing to do. It is almost a basic human right.

The only effective way in which employees can protect their safety and protect their standards in the workplace.



And wasn't it the Labor party that brought in that law?
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Swagman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Beware of cheap imitations......

Posts: 14964
Illawarra NSW
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 11:27am
 
'' Quote:
They’re sick of one-third of big businesses not paying tax.


.....how much tax does the ACTU pay?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
salad in
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5929
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #11 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 1:55pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 11:27am:
'' Quote:
They’re sick of one-third of big businesses not paying tax.


.....how much tax does the ACTU pay?


Good question big S guy.

Unions: fantastic tax-free businesses protected by law


Here’s some uplifting news that could make your weekend.

Despite all the doom and gloom — falling wages in real terms, falling private investment, falling consumer confidence, falling retail spending, rising energy costs, higher taxes and a federal government that has gone loco, expanding itself and spending like mad — some businesses are doing rather well.

At Workplace Express, an online industrial relations news service, there recently was an article about two unions experiencing such marvellous trading conditions, they’ve expanded into better buildings.

Named after Joseph Stalin in 1925, Stalingrad (now known as Volgograd), was regarded as the industrial capital of communist Russia. In Australia’s deep south, Stalingrad’s virtual sister city, Melbourne — or “Melbourne­grad”, as it is referred to in our household — remains the industrial relations capital of Australia and the core stronghold of the union movement.

In this city, despite being sued, prosecuted and fined with monotonous regularity, the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union (construction and general division) recently sold its building at 500 Swanston Street for $27 million to continue its merry climb up the prestige property ladder. Its 2016 financials say the CFMEU has 25,211 members, annual revenue of about $31m and spent $5m on legal fees and costs. The group has net assets of $58m. After the sale completes, the CFMEU will move to 532-540 Elizabeth Street, a building it purchased for $30m. This building was bought off another union, which sold it to move to a new home purchased for $68m.

According to the figures released last month, union membership density in the private sector is sitting at 10.4 per cent, the lowest it has been in our nation’s history. Despite having — on paper — fewer clients than ever, unions are going from strength to strength.

In fact, just on the data available, as a group, union bosses could be Australia’s most successful entrepreneurs; financial miracle workers, creating wealth out of thin air, and the best business managers in the country.

Of course, unions enjoy two stunning advantages created for them by a past Labor government. I’m not sure what these grand “reforms” did for the rest of us but the introduction of enterprise bargaining and compulsory national superannuation put unions on the path to stratospheric wealth and power.

Thanks to enterprise bargaining and superannuation, unions don’t need workers to join unions, they only need employers to make superannuation contributions and enter into bargaining arrangements where the union takes an income stream.

History has shown that if unions wish, they can operate above the law with almost complete impunity. As well, they can misuse their position in enterprise bargaining processes to secure alternative revenue streams, harvested from the business they are dealing with, which becomes the union’s client.

For example, a union can have an employer pay income protection insurance premiums for all employees to a union-owned insurance business or an insurance business that simply pays the union a kickback.

In the past, the details of these arrangements have not been disclosed to workers, and the insurance has been priced at an exorbitant level for a substandard product.

Recent reforms in this area, introduced by the Coalition, mean full disclosure must now be made and the product must be charged at commercial rates.

However, given the ease with which unions and employers collude to scam workers and seem to get away with it, I remain sceptical that the reforms will prevent unethical conduct and thwart unions and employers from colluding to benefit each other and rip the workers off.

Industry superannuation funds continue to grow in wealth and power, too, completely unabated. Industry funds own stakes in buildings that various governments rent. Malcolm Turnbull has offices in Sydney, rented in a building part-owned by CBUS, the CFMEU’s super fund. Basically, our Prime Minister is a tenant where the CFMEU is one of the landlords.

In Queensland, the state government resides in a $653m, 43-storey office tower, built by CBUS Property. This arrangement was put in place in the first year of the previous Liberal government. Just why past premier Campbell Newman chose CBUS over several other builders who tendered remains one of the great mysteries of the universe.

On top of all that, the revenue raised by doing whatever it is unions do now remains
tax-exempt.


Unions are simply businesses. Imagine operating a business with a captive market created by a legal framework set up to ensure you succeed, without having to pay federal taxes — it would be impossible to fail, wouldn’t it?

On that note — and this suggestion will fall on deaf Canberra ears, given the government seems to love whacking taxes on all and sundry, especially the hardest working and most valuable in the economy — isn’t it past time we taxed all “registered industrial organisations”, unions and employer groups?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/unions-fantastic-taxfree-business...

Back to top
 

The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
 
IP Logged
 
salad in
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5929
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #12 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 1:58pm
 
Does Sally know how amusing she is? Listening to her chastise big business not paying tax is like taking weight control advice from George Christensen.
Back to top
 

The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
 
IP Logged
 
Bam
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17177
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #13 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 3:45pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 11:27am:
'' Quote:
They’re sick of one-third of big businesses not paying tax.


.....how much tax does the ACTU pay?

About the same as political parties and churches.
Back to top
 

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.
 
IP Logged
 
juliar
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16386
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #14 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:25pm
 
The absolute absurdity of the GetUp! inspired BlackDay parroting Lefty nonsense about the corrupt Commo unions who are sending Australia to the dogs as they force Australian industry to close is brought sharply into focus when one considers just how IRRELEVANT the long past their use by date corrupt Commo unions really are when one notes that the union membership is ONLY 10% now and falling daily.

The simple fact is that most Australians now see the unions as some sort of spurious evil from the long distant past that provide no benefit at all in the workplace and in fact are the ENEMY of employment.

Now the corrupt irrelevant Commo unions would be bankrupt if they could not raid people's industry SUPER and commit illegal acts of extortion and sabotage against industry.

The irrelevant unions are in it ONLY for themselves and they don't give a stuff about the workers who they try to throw out of a job.

And now the proposed merger of some of the unions into one giant Corrupt Comm goulash is being challenged as an act of Treason against Australia.

Why do the shrinking unions want to merge ?

Well a meeting of the members looks a bit ridiculous when only 20 or so remaining members show up and so the unions reckon by merging their meetings of the members won't look so embarrassing.

It's gotten so the unions have to hire Rent a Crowds (like the equally irrelevant Greenies do) at their meetings to stop looking so pathetic.

In fact the equally irrelevant unions and the Greenies are in a race to see who disappears first!!!!

And the very strong suspicion that the Chinese are paying the unions to use their extortion and sabotage to force Australian businesses to close so the work goes to China remains very very strong - like the smell of the fear coming from LW's armpits especially after the brilliant Tasmanian victory for good govt.


Gosh, you can almost feel the Lefties wince.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Swagman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Beware of cheap imitations......

Posts: 14964
Illawarra NSW
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #15 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:35pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 11:27am:
'' Quote:
They’re sick of one-third of big businesses not paying tax.


.....how much tax does the ACTU pay?

About the same as political parties and churches.


.....hypocrites then....like all lefties
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
56 44
Gold Member
*****
Online


Congratulations PM Bill
Shorten

Posts: 24963
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #16 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm
 
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective
Back to top
 

JuLiars prediction Mar 8 2017
Trend is for Labor to go down the drain'
Labor win WA, QLD,VIC increased majority Smiley
 
IP Logged
 
Swagman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Beware of cheap imitations......

Posts: 14964
Illawarra NSW
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #17 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm
 
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...
Back to top
 

bill_002.jpg (46 KB | 9 )
bill_002.jpg
 
IP Logged
 
RightSaidFred
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1094
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #18 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bam
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17177
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #19 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 2:47pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.

What a load of rubbish.
Back to top
 

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.
 
IP Logged
 
Redmond Neck
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 12192
ACT
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #20 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 2:55pm
 
Well done unions!

I think the public are growing tired of stagnant wages and removal of union rites to strike.

Labor should be a shoe in next election especially if they throw out the FWC

Back to top
 

Make America Great Again!   -   Boot Trump Out!

 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14438
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #21 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 2:56pm
 
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


You're a funny prick.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
juliar
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16386
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #22 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm
 
Bill Shorten - The Worst Opposition Leader In History


Unions go public for more pay
The ACTU has launched its largest national media campaign in a decade in a bid to overhaul the ­nation’s workplace relations laws.
THEAUSTRALIAN.COM.AU

...
Notice how lots of these feminazi types have long thin pointy heads and look like they just sucked a lemon ?

The scum unions have a new campaign up and running they are trying to build their numbers up and once again have embarked on a spending spree with members money, I suppose as usual they have their paid actors spewing their crap. All the unions are going to achieve once again is place a few more thousand out of work.

(The Australian)
The ACTU has launched its largest national media campaign in a decade in a bid to overhaul the ¬nation’s workplace relations laws.
The eight-week campaign, to run across television, online, radio and outdoor advertising, focuses on the “power balance between companies and workers,” the rising cost of living, penalty rates and changes to job security.

The union’s biggest campaign since its 2005-2007 attack against the Howard government’s WorkChoices laws, is “about changing the rules for working people so Australians have more secure jobs and fair pay rises,” secretary Sally McManus said.

“The CEOs are making billions in bonuses and our pay is barely covering the groceries and the bills,” she says.
“I just don’t know how we’re going to get by.”

An ACTU spokesman would not disclose the exact figure for the cost of the campaign, but he said “every Australian is going to see this campaign more than once”.

Federal Trade Minister Steve Ciobo yesterday blasted the campaign as “misinformation”. “They (the ACTU) need to stop this misinformation, they need to start to focus on what’s going right in this country and they need to clean up their own backyard quite frankly,” Mr Ciobo said.

Union membership in Australia is at a record low, with less than 10 per cent of workers in the private sector and about a third of the public workforce belonging to a union.

Union membership is even slimmer among younger generations, with just 7 per cent of people aged 20-24 claiming to be members of a union.


https://myaccount.news.com.au/sites/theaustralian/subscribe.html?sourceCode=TAWE...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
juliar
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16386
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #23 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:10pm
 
The cranium of paw old GetUpy BlackDay who parrots the red rag rubbish must be spinning by now.

The utterly corrupt unions are scared that their perilously parlous state of irrelevancy will become public knowledge with a audit of the very few members they still have.

and if YOU vote for LABOR then these irrelevant corrupt union thugs will be running Australia into the ground!!!!!




Unions are pumping up the numbers again, all this could have been killed forever had the appropriate action been taken after the RC, however a weak as water PM did nothing and now the unions are back on the march with their rampage of lies, propaganda and thuggery.

AWU resisting pressure for an external headcount of members
The Australian12:00AM March 12, 2018

...
The AWU remains Bill Shorten’s main powerbase in Labor’s right faction. Picture: AAP

The Australian Workers Union is resisting pressure for an “external audit” after vastly exaggerating membership numbers that helped boost its power and influence in Bill Shorten’s faction of the Labor Party.

The Registered Organisations Commission, set up by the Turnbull government to police union governance, recommended the external audit of AWU membership after concluding the union did not take its reporting responsibilities seriously.

According to the ROC’s analysis, big discrepancies were found in membership levels of the right-wing AWU over seven years of annual and financial-year reports that were checked.
The most inflated figures were discovered in the Queensland branch, the AWU’s largest, that was then headed by AWU boss and Labor Party “godfather” Bill Ludwig.

AWU Queensland branch numbers were artificially boosted over successive years by failing to purge up to 45 per cent of members from the branch membership accounts who were unfinancial.

Other discrepancies detected included big differences in the AWU’s national membership tally as quoted in annual and -financial-year reports just six months apart.
The ROC found it inexplicable that memberships could experience rises and falls of up to 10 per cent over such a short time. Only last month the Transport Workers Union received an unprecedented $272,000 fine from the Federal Court for falsely inflating its membership.

In doubling membership numbers by failing to eliminate non--financial members from its books over a period of years, the NSW branch of the TWU was able to significantly boost its representation on the state Labor conference floor and have a greater say in party decisions including the selection of candidates and even the choice of leader.

The TWU, led by Tony Sheldon, who was confirmed last week as NSW Labor’s No 1 Senate candidate for the next federal election, is appealing against the severity of the penalty — but the AWU is at risk of a similar fine if its comparable past reporting lapses climax with a court prosecution.

When the royal commission into union corruption investigated the AWU in 2015, part of its ¬inquiries focused on whether ¬inflated union membership numbers boosted the influence of AWU leaders in the Labor Party.

Mr Shorten, who gave ¬evidence to the commission, was the national and Victorian branch secretary of the AWU before he entered parliament in 2007, and the AWU remains his main powerbase in the ALP’s right faction.

AWU national secretary Dan Walton conceded last year to the ROC that the union had found “an error in historical membership levels” contained in six out of seven financial reports following an internal union audit.
In public correspondence with the ROC, Mr Walton said the AWU had corrected these figures and he hoped the matter was -finalised.

But the ROC disagreed. Referring to high levels of accountability expected by law, ROC deputy Chris Enright recommended an external membership audit because the regulator did not have “a sufficient level of confidence in the statutory membership reporting of the AWU”.

Mr Walton, who was not the AWU’s leader when the conceded “errors” were made, resisted the external audit by proposing -instead an “AWU modern membership project” in which the union would commission an “external consultant” to report on union practices, systems and even rules.
While standing by his lack of confidence in the AWU finding its own remedies, Mr Enright ¬appears to have agreed that the membership “project” should go ahead. The union remained on notice about the prospect of an external audit.

The AWU’s “membership project” results are due this month, but the timing of a report to the ROC and any outcome remain unclear. The Australian asked Mr Walton what stage the AWU’s “membership project” had reached, when it would be completed and which external consultant was chosen.
A spokesman for Mr Walton said the AWU did not consider it appropriate to provide “info or commentary on this at this stage”.

Publicly available records show the AWU declined to participate in a 2015 voluntary survey of all federally registered unions that was conducted by the regulatory compliance branch of the Fair Work Commission. The ROC took over the FWC’s regulatory functions last year.

Read the too good to miss rest of the unions being sprung here

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/awu-resis...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36890
Here
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #24 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:11pm
 
Bobby wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 10:51am:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:18am:
Bobby wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 7:26am:
It should be the right of every man to withdraw his labor.

That rule is gone.


Its been gone a long time and it was never the right thing to do. It is almost a basic human right.

The only effective way in which employees can protect their safety and protect their standards in the workplace.



And wasn't it the Labor party that brought in that law?


How does it make any difference who made the error ?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
juliar
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16386
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #25 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:14pm
 
DNA overlooks that people are NOT BEING PAID to make errors.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
RightSaidFred
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1094
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #26 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:26pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.

What a load of rubbish.


I see your a leftie rewriting history ?
Or are you just stupid ?
Or Both ?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36890
Here
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #27 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
RightSaidFred
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1094
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #28 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17062
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #29 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:45pm
 
juliar wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
According to the ROC’s analysis, big discrepancies were found in membership levels of the right-wing AWU over seven years of annual and financial-year reports that were checked.



Sounds like more than ONE error to me.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36890
Here
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #30 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:12pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler


The Nazi's were an extreme right wing group. The full name of the party confuses people.

Many of the original socialist in the party were either expelled, imprisoned or assassinated.

The use or the word socialist in the national socialists was tongue in cheek like the word choices used in workchoices. Nothing was further from the truth.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
RightSaidFred
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1094
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #31 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:23pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler


The Nazi's were an extreme right wing group. The full name of the party confuses people.

Many of the original socialist in the party were either expelled, imprisoned or assassinated.

The use or the word socialist in the national socialists was tongue in cheek like the word choices used in workchoices. Nothing was further from the truth.


But Hitler was a socialist you can keep on trying to rewrite history on this if you like.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Cereal Killer
New Member
*
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #32 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 1:36am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler


The Nazi's were an extreme right wing group. The full name of the party confuses people.

Many of the original socialist in the party were either expelled, imprisoned or assassinated.

The use or the word socialist in the national socialists was tongue in cheek like the word choices used in workchoices. Nothing was further from the truth.


But Hitler was a socialist you can keep on trying to rewrite history on this if you like.


Hitler was as much a socialist as North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) is democratic.
Back to top
 

Before you judge me please understand, I don't give a f**k what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
RightSaidFred
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1094
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #33 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:50am
 
Cereal Killer wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 1:36am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler


The Nazi's were an extreme right wing group. The full name of the party confuses people.

Many of the original socialist in the party were either expelled, imprisoned or assassinated.

The use or the word socialist in the national socialists was tongue in cheek like the word choices used in workchoices. Nothing was further from the truth.


But Hitler was a socialist you can keep on trying to rewrite history on this if you like.


Hitler was as much a socialist as North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) is democratic.

But yet is was a Socialist you don't have to like it you need to think about facts not your opinion.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 39444
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #34 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:28am
 
Well, the current industrial relations framework sucks..... desperate need for changes.
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 39444
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #35 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:35am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
Bam wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.

What a load of rubbish.


I see your a leftie rewriting history ?
Or are you just stupid ?
Or Both ?


Indeed Hitler was a socialist - a National socialist - he introduced free holiday trips, guaranteed work, organised communal charity for Winter and those deprived of shelter.. oooh - a heap of stuff - and all he wanted in return was absolute control over all of those things.  Dammit, man - he even reduced the burden on social security and charities by removing all those not worth a cracker, and generated law and order by shipping off the troublemakers, including gays etc.

An excellent example of a socialist.... and while he made a few mistakes.. well.. everyone's human...... and he wasn't anywhere near as disastrous as Stalin, who was an International Socialist dedicated to total control of the Nation first..... and thus was a National Socialist first and foremost....

Between the two they did a great job of purging Europe of many undesirable elements and staved off the threat of over-population for a generation.
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
juliar
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16386
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #36 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:19am
 
Note how the Lefties try to change the subject when it gets too embarrassing for them.

But back to the irrelevant corrupt unions with only 10% membership and falling daily as they desperately try and lie to attract attention and try unsuccessfully to appear other than a corrupt money grubbing for their own ends with no concern whatsoever for the actual workers who they make lose their jobs.




New union campaign 'desperate': minister
AAP Matt Coughlan 23 hrs ago

VIDEO: Desperate fabricated farcical irrelevant union propaganda



...
Government minister Angus Taylor has dismissed the biggest union advertising campaign in a decade as an "act of desperation".

The Australian Council of Trade Unions launched the media blitz on Sunday, the largest since the anti-Work Choices campaign which contributed to the downfall of the Howard government in 2007.

The campaign calls for pay increases for workers and government restrictions on casual employment.

Mr Taylor said the ACTU's claims on workforce casualisation didn't stack up.

"It's an act of desperation by the unions," Mr Taylor told Sky News on Monday.

"Their membership is down to less than 10% of the private sector."



...
© Ten News Liberal frontbencher Angus Taylor says a major union advertising campaign is a desperate push to arrest dwindling membership figures.

He said under the Turnbull government more than 11,000 jobs had been created with 75% of those permanent roles.

But Labor frontbencher Linda Burney said the union had not overstated their numbers on people being pushed into casual work.

"People are finding putting meals on the table, making ends meet and particularly paying utility bills very difficult," Ms Burney told Sky News.

Casualisation is especially impacting women and young people, Ms Burney said.

"It's very difficult to plan for a future, particularly financially, when your work is totally casualised," she said.

The ACTU will continue the campaign for two months in response to what it describes as a "crisis" of record low wages growth paired with unrestricted causal employment.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/new-union-campaign-desperate-minister/a...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
56 44
Gold Member
*****
Online


Congratulations PM Bill
Shorten

Posts: 24963
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #37 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:04pm
 
Good on the unions wage growth is zero under these Muppets
Back to top
 

JuLiars prediction Mar 8 2017
Trend is for Labor to go down the drain'
Labor win WA, QLD,VIC increased majority Smiley
 
IP Logged
 
juliar
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16386
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #38 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:22pm
 
Paw old LW is in deep denial mode after the shock of the Tasmanian Lib victory and needs Xing Out shock treatment.


56 44 wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Good on the unions wage growth is zero under these Muppets

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
juliar
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16386
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #39 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:47pm
 
Now a welcome relief from LW's silly childish sag grapes lemon sucking dribble.

Shorten has "PRIVATELY" backed Swan for National President, what that means is you will do if it means getting rid of the guy who supported Albo but don't count on it once I'm PM then I will have who I want in the top spot. I'm sick of reading all this crap.


...


Shorten backs Wayne Swan for ALP presidency
TROY BRAMSTON SENIOR WRITER Sydney The Australian12:00AM March 13, 2018

Bill Shorten has privately ­endorsed Wayne Swan to become Labor’s national president and is annoyed by another tilt at the job by frontbencher Mark Butler, who has slammed the party for failing to embrace internal reform under his leadership.

Mr Shorten has little time for Mr Butler, who ran Anthony ­Albanese’s rival campaign for leader in 2013 and gave a damning speech in January arguing that Labor was controlled by “factional warlords”, membership was falling and the party’s primary vote was “stubbornly low” and fared better under Mark Latham and Kim Beazley.

Mr Shorten encouraged Mr Swan to run for the presidency ­because his lifelong crusade on economic and social inequality meshes with his own priorities as leader, while Mr Butler’s internal focus is seen as a distraction in the year before an election.

Mr Swan, a former treasurer and deputy prime minister, is aligned to Mr Shorten’s Australian Workers Union-backed ­national right faction and is also close to his deputy, Tanya Plibersek, who is seen as a rising star within the left faction. Ms Plibersek, faction insiders say, could ­endorse Mr Swan.


Senior Labor figures in the ­national right faction have for several months urged Mr Swan to run for president, as flagged by The Australian in January.

Mr Shorten recently told Mr Swan that he had his backing to run for president. The convener of the national right faction, Kaila Murnain, also the NSW Labor secretary, is working closely with Mr Swan.

Transport Workers Union ­national secretary Tony Sheldon had not secured support from the right faction to run for the presidency and withdrew on Friday and endorsed Mr Swan.

But Mr Swan had not yet planned to confirm his candidacy and was forced into making a quick ­declaration on Saturday.

A meeting of the national right faction leadership was held by teleconference on Saturday afternoon and supported Mr Swan as its candidate for president.

The meeting of parliamentary, party and union leaders heard from Mr Swan. His endorsement was formally proposed by frontbenchers Joel Fitzgibbon and Richard Marles and adopted.

The race for the national presidency will be a titanic clash pitting two high-profile candidates from the right and left faction, each backed by an army of state and federal MPs, union leaders, party officials and thousands of rank-and-file members.

Mr Swan is finalising plans for a nationwide speaking tour aimed at persuading up to 50,000 party members that he should be elected to the top party organisational post.

If successful, Mr Swan will chair Labor’s national conference in July and meetings of the nat­ional executive.

The contest for the presidency has sparked divisions on Labor’s frontbench, with senior figures in the left and right factions believing Mr Butler should not be running for president on a platform of spotlighting the party’s lack of democracy, transparency and account­ability.

The right’s Tim Hammond, Labor’s spokesman for consumer affairs, has argued that Mr Butler should be barred running for president because it conflicts with his duties as a frontbencher.

The left’s Brendan O’Connor, Labor’s spokesman for employment and workplace relations, said it was probably better if the president was not a frontbencher. The right faction will seek to change party rules to ban frontbenchers being president.

Mr Shorten told colleagues that he wants frontbenchers to be focusing on policy development and campaigning ahead of the next election, rather than “navel-gazing” over Labor’s internal structure or waging bitter factional battles in public.

Mr Swan is expected to significantly lift the right faction’s support in the presidential election. The right faction typically attracts about 35-40 per cent support from rank-and-file party members ­nationally.

Voting online and by postal ballot will take place from May 4 to June 15. The election of a president and two vice-presidents is expected to be announced soon after.

In 2015 there were about 54,000 party members eligible to cast a ballot but just fewer than 20,000 voted.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/shorten-backs-wayne-swan-for-a...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
.JaSin.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 8298
Cloud 9
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #40 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:55pm
 
DIRTY SCUMBAG EUREKA-STOCKADE FLAG WAVING UNIONIST YANKEES AND THEIR ASSORTMENT OF BIKER GANG THUGS AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.
AND THE ALP IS IN BED WITH IT ALL.


You can't half tell these scumbags are going to 'take the money' and run. They'll leave this country in the financial lurch more so, each time the ALP gets in.

CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angry Angry Angry Angry
TIME THE NLP GETS THE 'REBEL' CONFEDERATE BIKERS ON THEIR SIDE IN THE NAME OF THE 'FEDERATION STAR' OF 'OUR' AUSTRALIAN FLAG.

Back to top
 

HERE, DRINK TO MY HEALTH & 'your' WINE
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36890
Here
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #41 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:02pm
 
.JaSin. wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:55pm:
DIRTY SCUMBAG EUREKA-STOCKADE FLAG WAVING UNIONIST YANKEES AND THEIR ASSORTMENT OF BIKER GANG THUGS AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.
AND THE ALP IS IN BED WITH IT ALL.


You can't half tell these scumbags are going to 'take the money' and run. They'll leave this country in the financial lurch more so, each time the ALP gets in.

CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angry Angry Angry Angry
TIME THE NLP GETS THE 'REBEL' CONFEDERATE BIKERS ON THEIR SIDE IN THE NAME OF THE 'FEDERATION STAR' OF 'OUR' AUSTRALIAN FLAG.




You and Juliar would fit in nicely at a tea party with the mad hatter.

The current IR laws badly need to be fixed it is as simple as that.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
stunspore
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3791
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #42 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:53pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:02pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:55pm:
DIRTY SCUMBAG EUREKA-STOCKADE FLAG WAVING UNIONIST YANKEES AND THEIR ASSORTMENT OF BIKER GANG THUGS AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.
AND THE ALP IS IN BED WITH IT ALL.


You can't half tell these scumbags are going to 'take the money' and run. They'll leave this country in the financial lurch more so, each time the ALP gets in.

CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angry Angry Angry Angry
TIME THE NLP GETS THE 'REBEL' CONFEDERATE BIKERS ON THEIR SIDE IN THE NAME OF THE 'FEDERATION STAR' OF 'OUR' AUSTRALIAN FLAG.




You and Juliar would fit in nicely at a tea party with the mad hatter.

The current IR laws badly need to be fixed it is as simple as that.


Or they could be multiple accounts of one insane person.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
.JaSin.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 8298
Cloud 9
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #43 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:55pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:02pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:55pm:
DIRTY SCUMBAG EUREKA-STOCKADE FLAG WAVING UNIONIST YANKEES AND THEIR ASSORTMENT OF BIKER GANG THUGS AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.
AND THE ALP IS IN BED WITH IT ALL.


You can't half tell these scumbags are going to 'take the money' and run. They'll leave this country in the financial lurch more so, each time the ALP gets in.

CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angry Angry Angry Angry
TIME THE NLP GETS THE 'REBEL' CONFEDERATE BIKERS ON THEIR SIDE IN THE NAME OF THE 'FEDERATION STAR' OF 'OUR' AUSTRALIAN FLAG.




You and Juliar would fit in nicely at a tea party with the mad hatter.

The current IR laws badly need to be fixed it is as simple as that.


You're a Unionist Pig and need to F-ORFF back to your North American homeland and take your over-paid cheap Asian Labour with you.
Kiss my (Con)Federation Arse!!!
Back to top
 

HERE, DRINK TO MY HEALTH & 'your' WINE
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36890
Here
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #44 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:56pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:50am:
Cereal Killer wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 1:36am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler


The Nazi's were an extreme right wing group. The full name of the party confuses people.

Many of the original socialist in the party were either expelled, imprisoned or assassinated.

The use or the word socialist in the national socialists was tongue in cheek like the word choices used in workchoices. Nothing was further from the truth.


But Hitler was a socialist you can keep on trying to rewrite history on this if you like.


Hitler was as much a socialist as North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) is democratic.

But yet is was a Socialist you don't have to like it you need to think about facts not your opinion.


The Hitler was a socialist routine is new, it has only been created by the right in the last few years.

Not many believe it.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36890
Here
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #45 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:58pm
 
.JaSin. wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:02pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:55pm:
DIRTY SCUMBAG EUREKA-STOCKADE FLAG WAVING UNIONIST YANKEES AND THEIR ASSORTMENT OF BIKER GANG THUGS AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.
AND THE ALP IS IN BED WITH IT ALL.


You can't half tell these scumbags are going to 'take the money' and run. They'll leave this country in the financial lurch more so, each time the ALP gets in.

CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angry Angry Angry Angry
TIME THE NLP GETS THE 'REBEL' CONFEDERATE BIKERS ON THEIR SIDE IN THE NAME OF THE 'FEDERATION STAR' OF 'OUR' AUSTRALIAN FLAG.




You and Juliar would fit in nicely at a tea party with the mad hatter.

The current IR laws badly need to be fixed it is as simple as that.


You're a Unionist Pig and need to F-ORFF back to your North American homeland and take your over-paid cheap Asian Labour with you.
Kiss my (Con)Federation Arse!!!


You won't be driving tonight, I hope.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
.JaSin.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 8298
Cloud 9
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #46 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:04pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:02pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:55pm:
DIRTY SCUMBAG EUREKA-STOCKADE FLAG WAVING UNIONIST YANKEES AND THEIR ASSORTMENT OF BIKER GANG THUGS AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.
AND THE ALP IS IN BED WITH IT ALL.


You can't half tell these scumbags are going to 'take the money' and run. They'll leave this country in the financial lurch more so, each time the ALP gets in.

CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angry Angry Angry Angry
TIME THE NLP GETS THE 'REBEL' CONFEDERATE BIKERS ON THEIR SIDE IN THE NAME OF THE 'FEDERATION STAR' OF 'OUR' AUSTRALIAN FLAG.




You and Juliar would fit in nicely at a tea party with the mad hatter.

The current IR laws badly need to be fixed it is as simple as that.


You're a Unionist Pig and need to F-ORFF back to your North American homeland and take your over-paid cheap Asian Labour with you.
Kiss my (Con)Federation Arse!!!


You won't be driving tonight, I hope.

And no-one will be giving you a lift from the side of the road, I'm sure.
Back to top
 

HERE, DRINK TO MY HEALTH & 'your' WINE
 
IP Logged
 
Cereal Killer
New Member
*
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #47 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 10:00pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:50am:
Cereal Killer wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 1:36am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler


The Nazi's were an extreme right wing group. The full name of the party confuses people.

Many of the original socialist in the party were either expelled, imprisoned or assassinated.

The use or the word socialist in the national socialists was tongue in cheek like the word choices used in workchoices. Nothing was further from the truth.


But Hitler was a socialist you can keep on trying to rewrite history on this if you like.


Hitler was as much a socialist as North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) is democratic.

But yet is was a Socialist you don't have to like it you need to think about facts not your opinion.


Sure mate and the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea aka North Korea is a shining example of modern democracy that should be emulated all over the world.

Ye Grappler wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:35am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
Bam wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.

What a load of rubbish.


I see your a leftie rewriting history ?
Or are you just stupid ?
Or Both ?


Indeed Hitler was a socialist - a National socialist - he introduced free holiday trips, guaranteed work, organised communal charity for Winter and those deprived of shelter.. oooh - a heap of stuff - and all he wanted in return was absolute control over all of those things.  Dammit, man - he even reduced the burden on social security and charities by removing all those not worth a cracker, and generated law and order by shipping off the troublemakers, including gays etc.

An excellent example of a socialist.... and while he made a few mistakes.. well.. everyone's human...... and he wasn't anywhere near as disastrous as Stalin, who was an International Socialist dedicated to total control of the Nation first..... and thus was a National Socialist first and foremost....

Between the two they did a great job of purging Europe of many undesirable elements and staved off the threat of over-population for a generation.


I was going to draw you a nice picture of John Howard as a pinko commie liberal and was going to cherry pick his policies to reflect this and draw them into the picture too. Baby bonus, increases to the age pension, first home buyers grant and c**p like that. Whilst completely ignoring attacks on trade unions, work choices and s**t that doesn’t suit my pictures little agenda. Oh and obviously the name, duh.

But I went with a small example of distorting the truth into fairy tales, maybe because I don’t spend my life searching for “facts” that suit my “view”. Because “the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit the views …” and I’m not stupid, nor do I suffer from delusions of grandeur, and I definitely don’t believe party propaganda from either side of politics. Also I'm not a Troll or a Nazi though I'm not sure which you are. Seriously mate after the rant/w**k about "purging Europe" and "removing all those not worth a cracker" I think you need to download some nazi fetish porn or go back on your meds or go get some meds.
Back to top
 

Before you judge me please understand, I don't give a f**k what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
56 44
Gold Member
*****
Online


Congratulations PM Bill
Shorten

Posts: 24963
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #48 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 10:03pm
 
Cereal Killer wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:50am:
Cereal Killer wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 1:36am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler


The Nazi's were an extreme right wing group. The full name of the party confuses people.

Many of the original socialist in the party were either expelled, imprisoned or assassinated.

The use or the word socialist in the national socialists was tongue in cheek like the word choices used in workchoices. Nothing was further from the truth.


But Hitler was a socialist you can keep on trying to rewrite history on this if you like.


Hitler was as much a socialist as North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) is democratic.

But yet is was a Socialist you don't have to like it you need to think about facts not your opinion.


Sure mate and the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea aka North Korea is a shining example of modern democracy that should be emulated all over the world.

Ye Grappler wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:35am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
Bam wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.

What a load of rubbish.


I see your a leftie rewriting history ?
Or are you just stupid ?
Or Both ?


Indeed Hitler was a socialist - a National socialist - he introduced free holiday trips, guaranteed work, organised communal charity for Winter and those deprived of shelter.. oooh - a heap of stuff - and all he wanted in return was absolute control over all of those things.  Dammit, man - he even reduced the burden on social security and charities by removing all those not worth a cracker, and generated law and order by shipping off the troublemakers, including gays etc.

An excellent example of a socialist.... and while he made a few mistakes.. well.. everyone's human...... and he wasn't anywhere near as disastrous as Stalin, who was an International Socialist dedicated to total control of the Nation first..... and thus was a National Socialist first and foremost....

Between the two they did a great job of purging Europe of many undesirable elements and staved off the threat of over-population for a generation.


I was going to draw you a nice picture of John Howard as a pinko commie liberal and was going to cherry pick his policies to reflect this and draw them into the picture too. Baby bonus, increases to the age pension, first home buyers grant and c**p like that. Whilst completely ignoring attacks on trade unions, work choices and s**t that doesn’t suit my pictures little agenda. Oh and obviously the name, duh.

But I went with a small example of distorting the truth into fairy tales, maybe because I don’t spend my life searching for “facts” that suit my “view”. Because “the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit the views …” and I’m not stupid, nor do I suffer from delusions of grandeur, and I definitely don’t believe party propaganda from either side of politics. Also I'm not a Troll or a Nazi though I'm not sure which you are. Seriously mate after the rant/w**k about "purging Europe" and "removing all those not worth a cracker" I think you need to download some nazi fetish porn or go back on your meds or go get some meds.



Ignore Grendel , we all do
Back to top
 

JuLiars prediction Mar 8 2017
Trend is for Labor to go down the drain'
Labor win WA, QLD,VIC increased majority Smiley
 
IP Logged
 
.JaSin.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 8298
Cloud 9
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #49 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:11pm
 
Cereal Killer wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:50am:
Cereal Killer wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 1:36am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler


The Nazi's were an extreme right wing group. The full name of the party confuses people.

Many of the original socialist in the party were either expelled, imprisoned or assassinated.

The use or the word socialist in the national socialists was tongue in cheek like the word choices used in workchoices. Nothing was further from the truth.


But Hitler was a socialist you can keep on trying to rewrite history on this if you like.


Hitler was as much a socialist as North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) is democratic.

But yet is was a Socialist you don't have to like it you need to think about facts not your opinion.


Sure mate and the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea aka North Korea is a shining example of modern democracy that should be emulated all over the world.

Ye Grappler wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:35am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
Bam wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.

What a load of rubbish.


I see your a leftie rewriting history ?
Or are you just stupid ?
Or Both ?


Indeed Hitler was a socialist - a National socialist - he introduced free holiday trips, guaranteed work, organised communal charity for Winter and those deprived of shelter.. oooh - a heap of stuff - and all he wanted in return was absolute control over all of those things.  Dammit, man - he even reduced the burden on social security and charities by removing all those not worth a cracker, and generated law and order by shipping off the troublemakers, including gays etc.

An excellent example of a socialist.... and while he made a few mistakes.. well.. everyone's human...... and he wasn't anywhere near as disastrous as Stalin, who was an International Socialist dedicated to total control of the Nation first..... and thus was a National Socialist first and foremost....

Between the two they did a great job of purging Europe of many undesirable elements and staved off the threat of over-population for a generation.


I was going to draw you a nice picture of John Howard as a pinko commie liberal and was going to cherry pick his policies to reflect this and draw them into the picture too. Baby bonus, increases to the age pension, first home buyers grant and c**p like that. Whilst completely ignoring attacks on trade unions, work choices and s**t that doesn’t suit my pictures little agenda. Oh and obviously the name, duh.

But I went with a small example of distorting the truth into fairy tales, maybe because I don’t spend my life searching for “facts” that suit my “view”. Because “the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit the views …” and I’m not stupid, nor do I suffer from delusions of grandeur, and I definitely don’t believe party propaganda from either side of politics. Also I'm not a Troll or a Nazi though I'm not sure which you are. Seriously mate after the rant/w**k about "purging Europe" and "removing all those not worth a cracker" I think you need to download some nazi fetish porn or go back on your meds or go get some meds.


And Jesus said unto his Jewish people who sacrificed him upon the cross to die for 'their' sins.
"Wait till my little brother Hitler gets yas - ya bastards!"

Grin
Back to top
 

HERE, DRINK TO MY HEALTH & 'your' WINE
 
IP Logged
 
RightSaidFred
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1094
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #50 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 1:57pm
 
I don't watch free to air TV but I did catch one of their radio ads ..... not sure what the fascination is, we all know unions exist and CEO's are not on minimum wages so I did not get the point they were trying to make that everyone does not already know ..... but that applies to a lot of advertisement ...... looks like a Big desperate WOFTAM.

They did not mention why some union reps need to spend 400k on their corporate credit card or why the union needs under the table kick backs from companies they blackmail ..... that might be interesting ....... or how much work they generate for brothels ..... there is so much material they could have covered.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9846
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #51 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 2:33pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:40am:
The massive problems with IR laws have built up over time as a result of conservative governments squeezing workers too hard. Labor were in office for two terms but couldn't do enough to fix the problem.

The workplace laws are far too heavily slanted in favour of employers and that must be changed. We need to restore the right to strike, put strong downward pressure on casualisation, crack down on unpaid overtime, greatly increase the penalties for employers who harm their employees including prison terms for workplace deaths, abolish sham contracting, allow workers to sue employers for massive sums of money who hire replacement staff during lockouts or for unpaid wages, take much stronger action to combat wage theft including prison terms for employers, and so on.

The assertion by employer groups that IR laws are slanted in favour of unions is ludicrous nonsense.


Not couldn't .... wouldn't.

The rest I'm in total agreeance with.
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9846
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #52 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 2:39pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 9:06am:
what exactly does the ACTU want changed??



it always seems to me.....


all they really want is more POWER FOR THE UNIONS...more reason for their being....


Quote:
Since the Rudd government was elected, union membership has continued to slide from 19 per cent of the workforce in 2007 to 15.6 per cent a decade later.



Quote:
It would not disclose how much it would spend but it is expected to be at least several million dollars with advertising on TV, online, print, radio and billboards.



they owe it to their members to say how much of their money they are spending...

if a CEO of big business spent their workers money on advertising for the Liberal   I am sure there would be many complaining!!!!!!  on here at any rate! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I have no idea what MASSIVE PROBLEMS exists with IR laws.......

we are in huge changing times... it is a sad fact of life many jobs do not exist anymore  and it wont be long before bus drivers will be a thing of the past....its got seriously nothing to do with big business....

its called

progress..



No you don't have any idea ... & I doubt you'd even understand.

The fact of the matter is that the IR laws are too restrictive on a Unions ability to fairly negotiate & to withdraw their labour when an employer doesn't negotiate in good faith.

It's all a one way street in the employers favour.

Is that simple enough for you to follow?
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9846
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #53 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 2:43pm
 
juliar wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
The absolute absurdity of the GetUp! inspired BlackDay parroting Lefty nonsense about the corrupt Commo unions who are sending Australia to the dogs as they force Australian industry to close is brought sharply into focus when one considers just how IRRELEVANT the long past their use by date corrupt Commo unions really are when one notes that the union membership is ONLY 10% now and falling daily.

The simple fact is that most Australians now see the unions as some sort of spurious evil from the long distant past that provide no benefit at all in the workplace and in fact are the ENEMY of employment.

Now the corrupt irrelevant Commo unions would be bankrupt if they could not raid people's industry SUPER and commit illegal acts of extortion and sabotage against industry.

The irrelevant unions are in it ONLY for themselves and they don't give a stuff about the workers who they try to throw out of a job.

And now the proposed merger of some of the unions into one giant Corrupt Comm goulash is being challenged as an act of Treason against Australia.

Why do the shrinking unions want to merge ?

Well a meeting of the members looks a bit ridiculous when only 20 or so remaining members show up and so the unions reckon by merging their meetings of the members won't look so embarrassing.

It's gotten so the unions have to hire Rent a Crowds (like the equally irrelevant Greenies do) at their meetings to stop looking so pathetic.

In fact the equally irrelevant unions and the Greenies are in a race to see who disappears first!!!!

And the very strong suspicion that the Chinese are paying the unions to use their extortion and sabotage to force Australian businesses to close so the work goes to China remains very very strong - like the smell of the fear coming from LW's armpits especially after the brilliant Tasmanian victory for good govt.


Gosh, you can almost feel the Lefties wince.


What a crock.....

and tell me why so many of the business associations/Unions of employers "merged" to form larger associations/ Unions of employers?

The hypocrisy looms large in all your BS.
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9846
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #54 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 2:47pm
 
juliar wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:14pm:
DNA overlooks that people are NOT BEING PAID to make errors.


You overlook that people... ordinary people are not being paid period.

And if people in high places are not paid to make errors ..... why then do we put up with all of our Parliamentarians?

They should all get the arze by your logic.
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9846
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #55 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 2:49pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler


The Nazi's were an extreme right wing group. The full name of the party confuses people.

Many of the original socialist in the party were either expelled, imprisoned or assassinated.

The use or the word socialist in the national socialists was tongue in cheek like the word choices used in workchoices. Nothing was further from the truth.


But Hitler was a socialist you can keep on trying to rewrite history on this if you like.


No he was a nationalist ..... & right wing.
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9846
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #56 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:01pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
I don't watch free to air TV but I did catch one of their radio ads ..... not sure what the fascination is, we all know unions exist and CEO's are not on minimum wages so I did not get the point they were trying to make that everyone does not already know ..... but that applies to a lot of advertisement ...... looks like a Big desperate WOFTAM.

They did not mention why some union reps need to spend 400k on their corporate credit card or why the union needs under the table kick backs from companies they blackmail ..... that might be interesting ....... or how much work they generate for brothels ..... there is so much material they could have covered.




You don't seem to be able to get past one individual or maybe 2 that committed fraud on their members.

They are not the Union movement as a whole & I can assure you their are more in the private sector than have ever come to light in Unions.

And how many Politicians have been caught up in misuse of allowances & taxpayer money in the past 20 years?

They aren't all Labor Pollies either.
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
RightSaidFred
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1094
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #57 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:01pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler


The Nazi's were an extreme right wing group. The full name of the party confuses people.

Many of the original socialist in the party were either expelled, imprisoned or assassinated.

The use or the word socialist in the national socialists was tongue in cheek like the word choices used in workchoices. Nothing was further from the truth.


But Hitler was a socialist you can keep on trying to rewrite history on this if you like.


No he was a nationalist ..... & right wing.

No he was a socialist you may not like it he might not of been a good one but is what he was !
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
RightSaidFred
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1094
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #58 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:02pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
I don't watch free to air TV but I did catch one of their radio ads ..... not sure what the fascination is, we all know unions exist and CEO's are not on minimum wages so I did not get the point they were trying to make that everyone does not already know ..... but that applies to a lot of advertisement ...... looks like a Big desperate WOFTAM.

They did not mention why some union reps need to spend 400k on their corporate credit card or why the union needs under the table kick backs from companies they blackmail ..... that might be interesting ....... or how much work they generate for brothels ..... there is so much material they could have covered.




You don't seem to be able to get past one individual or maybe 2 that committed fraud on their members.

They are not the Union movement as a whole & I can assure you their are more in the private sector than have ever come to light in Unions.

And how many Politicians have been caught up in misuse of allowances & taxpayer money in the past 20 years?

They aren't all Labor Pollies either.


1 or 2 are you serious ?
Look up the BLF and get back to us then I will give you more examples.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9846
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #59 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:03pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
56 44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Looking forward to Labor victory and a return to no ticket no start , let's hope Bill makes it legislation that if you're not a union member for minimum 25 years no pension, be even better if he made it retrospective


....Bill and his Brown Shirts huh....Sieg Heil...


Well Hitler was a socialist.
BS Shorten is just an idiot.



Hitler was never a socialist and I suspect that you are not going to be in love with our next PM.


Yes he was, your definitely ignorant.
So was Stalin and probably did just as bad or worse than Hitler


The Nazi's were an extreme right wing group. The full name of the party confuses people.

Many of the original socialist in the party were either expelled, imprisoned or assassinated.

The use or the word socialist in the national socialists was tongue in cheek like the word choices used in workchoices. Nothing was further from the truth.


But Hitler was a socialist you can keep on trying to rewrite history on this if you like.


No he was a nationalist ..... & right wing.

No he was a socialist you may not like it he might not of been a good one but is what he was !


It's not about liking "it" ... I didn't like the person no matter how his description of his ideology is changed.
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9846
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #60 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:05pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:02pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
I don't watch free to air TV but I did catch one of their radio ads ..... not sure what the fascination is, we all know unions exist and CEO's are not on minimum wages so I did not get the point they were trying to make that everyone does not already know ..... but that applies to a lot of advertisement ...... looks like a Big desperate WOFTAM.

They did not mention why some union reps need to spend 400k on their corporate credit card or why the union needs under the table kick backs from companies they blackmail ..... that might be interesting ....... or how much work they generate for brothels ..... there is so much material they could have covered.




You don't seem to be able to get past one individual or maybe 2 that committed fraud on their members.

They are not the Union movement as a whole & I can assure you their are more in the private sector than have ever come to light in Unions.

And how many Politicians have been caught up in misuse of allowances & taxpayer money in the past 20 years?

They aren't all Labor Pollies either.


1 or 2 are you serious ?
Look up the BLF and get back to us then I will give you more examples.


The BLF no longer exists...

you should work for a Port authority as a dredge ....

re-dredging the past to try & make it relevant today.
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
RightSaidFred
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1094
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Unions Attack Work Laws With Biggest Ad Campaign
Reply #61 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:08pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:02pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
I don't watch free to air TV but I did catch one of their radio ads ..... not sure what the fascination is, we all know unions exist and CEO's are not on minimum wages so I did not get the point they were trying to make that everyone does not already know ..... but that applies to a lot of advertisement ...... looks like a Big desperate WOFTAM.

They did not mention why some union reps need to spend 400k on their corporate credit card or why the union needs under the table kick backs from companies they blackmail ..... that might be interesting ....... or how much work they generate for brothels ..... there is so much material they could have covered.




You don't seem to be able to get past one individual or maybe 2 that committed fraud on their members.

They are not the Union movement as a whole & I can assure you their are more in the private sector than have ever come to light in Unions.

And how many Politicians have been caught up in misuse of allowances & taxpayer money in the past 20 years?

They aren't all Labor Pollies either.


1 or 2 are you serious ?
Look up the BLF and get back to us then I will give you more examples.


The BLF no longer exists...

you should work for a Port authority as a dredge ....

re-dredging the past to try & make it relevant today.


Part of the rich culture you get in unions.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 
Send Topic Print