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Reply #60 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 1:22pm
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 8:56am:
As long as Hansen or any of his climate activist cronies are in charge of or have anything to do with NASA data and reports etc you can not ever credit it as credible or unbiased.


Well Hansen in an interview said that the  West Side Highway (which runs along the Hudson River) would be under water by 2028 if CO2 doubled from the 280ppm mark.

Only 10 years to go and well short of the mark.
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Reply #61 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:44pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 1:06pm:
Johnnie wrote on Mar 17th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
As the thermal mass increases so does the time to dissipate it, night and day remains constant.



The sun only heats the top few centimetres of ocean. It gives off the heat overnight.

Do you know the boiling point of fresh water? Salt water is higher depending on salt density.

Take for example a thimble of water and a swimming pool of water, salt water or fresh water, the thermal mass of the swimming pool will hold its heat. 75% of the earths surface is water and don't forget the depth to calculate volume, the oceans are absorbing heat from global warming.
Did we agree that ocean levels are rising?
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Reply #62 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 4:58pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:44pm:
Did we agree that ocean levels are rising?



According to science yes. The question is how much?
So looking at the graphs provided do you see the acclaimed acceleration of Sea Level?

Did you notice Kwajalein 22mm rise per 100 years +/- 8.2mm?

Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:44pm:
75% of the earths surface is water and don't forget the depth to calculate volume, the oceans are absorbing heat from global warming.


Argo buoys-

"That February evening, Willis says, he was updating maps and graphs with the data that had become available since the 2006 ocean cooling paper was published. He was preparing for a talk he had been invited to give at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado. The topic was “Ocean cooling and its implications for understanding recent sea level trends.”

He was looking at a map of global ocean temperatures measured by a flotilla of autonomous, underwater robots that patrol the world’s oceans. The devices—Argo floats—sink to depths of up to 2,000 meters, drift with the currents, and then bob up to the surface, taking the temperature of the water as they ascend. When they reach the surface, they transmit observations to a satellite. According to the float data on his computer screen, almost the entire Atlantic Ocean had gone cold. Unless you believe The Day After Tomorrow, Willis jokes, impossibly cold.

“Oh, no,” he remembers saying.

“What’s wrong?” his wife asked.

“I think ocean cooling isn’t real.”"

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/page1.php

And so they adjusted Argo data without pulling them from the water.

Wouldn't they have been calibrated before dropping them in the water?

As you can see the above link is from NASA.

So the truth is  - We don't know.

BTW - you didn't answer the question about the oceans boiling. Remember global air temp is supposed to be about 62.45ºF, according to NOAA 1997.
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Reply #63 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:16pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:44pm:
Did we agree that ocean levels are rising?



According to science yes. The question is how much?
So looking at the graphs provided do you see the acclaimed acceleration of Sea Level?

Did you notice Kwajalein 22mm rise per 100 years +/- 8.2mm?

Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:44pm:
75% of the earths surface is water and don't forget the depth to calculate volume, the oceans are absorbing heat from global warming.


Argo buoys-

"That February evening, Willis says, he was updating maps and graphs with the data that had become available since the 2006 ocean cooling paper was published. He was preparing for a talk he had been invited to give at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado. The topic was “Ocean cooling and its implications for understanding recent sea level trends.”

He was looking at a map of global ocean temperatures measured by a flotilla of autonomous, underwater robots that patrol the world’s oceans. The devices—Argo floats—sink to depths of up to 2,000 meters, drift with the currents, and then bob up to the surface, taking the temperature of the water as they ascend. When they reach the surface, they transmit observations to a satellite. According to the float data on his computer screen, almost the entire Atlantic Ocean had gone cold. Unless you believe The Day After Tomorrow, Willis jokes, impossibly cold.

“Oh, no,” he remembers saying.

“What’s wrong?” his wife asked.

“I think ocean cooling isn’t real.”"

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/page1.php

And so they adjusted Argo data without pulling them from the water.

Wouldn't they have been calibrated before dropping them in the water?

As you can see the above link is from NASA.

So the truth is  - We don't know.

BTW - you didn't answer the question about the oceans boiling. Remember global air temp is supposed to be about 62.45ºF, according to NOAA 1997.

So are you saying Willis took the calculations and not NASA.
What increase in ocean levels would settle upon as being reasonable, more interestingly how many billions of gallons would it take to account for that increase, is it more the melting of the ice caps or the expansion of the ocean due to global warming, any compounding effect..
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Reply #64 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:22pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
So are you saying Willis took the calculations and not NASA.



Willis works for NASA. I ha't science.ve no knowledge of the internal operations of NASA. But if you adjust data for nothing but a "gut feeling" that isn't science.

Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
What increase in ocean levels would settle upon as being reasonable, more interestingly how many billions of gallons would it take to account for that increase, is it more the melting of the ice caps or the expansion of the ocean due to global warming, any compounding effect..



Sorry, I don't do guesstimates.

You still haven't told me how the oceans would "boil".
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Reply #65 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 6:28pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:22pm:
Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
So are you saying Willis took the calculations and not NASA.



Willis works for NASA. I ha't science.ve no knowledge of the internal operations of NASA. But if you adjust data for nothing but a "gut feeling" that isn't science.

Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
What increase in ocean levels would settle upon as being reasonable, more interestingly how many billions of gallons would it take to account for that increase, is it more the melting of the ice caps or the expansion of the ocean due to global warming, any compounding effect..



Sorry, I don't do guesstimates.

You still haven't told me how the oceans would "boil".

Just give me a minimum guesstimate,, so we can punch some figures.
The higher the salt content the denser water becomes and so the thermal mass increases, as the thermal mass increases and global warming increases we will surely have a runaway effect, hence boiling water.
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Reply #66 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 7:14pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 6:28pm:
Just give me a minimum guesstimate,, so we can punch some figures.



No

Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 6:28pm:
The higher the salt content the denser water becomes and so the thermal mass increases, as the thermal mass increases and global warming increases we will surely have a runaway effect, hence boiling water.


Oh, The Stephen Hawking theory on Climate Change? Wink

From mashable a usually alarmist rag -

"Stephen Hawking is wrong about runaway greenhouse on Earth and here's why"

"Stephen Hawking is a world-renowned theoretical physicist whose landmark contributions to cosmology, general relativity and quantum gravity changed the way we see the universe.

However, when it comes to climate change, the brilliant physicist is veering on the edge of total inaccuracy. "

"Among them, Zeke Hausfather, a climate scientist and energy systems analyst at Berkeley Earth and Gareth Jones, climate scientist at the Met Office:

The problem with Hawking's answer is that there's no possibility of Venus' runaway greenhouse conditions occurring on Earth as of now (the situation will be different in a billion years with sun becoming 10% brighter). "

Hausfather's quote -
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Zeke Hausfather
‏ @hausfath

Zeke Hausfather Retweeted Gareth S Jones

A good example that even brilliant scientists sometimes say silly things when it's outside their field of expertise (see Nobel disease)"

https://mashable.com/2017/07/03/stephen-hawking-runaway-greenhouse-venus/#TpvPg3...

Hausfather is something of an alarmist himself.
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Reply #67 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:11pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 7:14pm:
Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 6:28pm:
Just give me a minimum guesstimate,, so we can punch some figures.



No

Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 6:28pm:
The higher the salt content the denser water becomes and so the thermal mass increases, as the thermal mass increases and global warming increases we will surely have a runaway effect, hence boiling water.


Oh, The Stephen Hawking theory on Climate Change? Wink

From mashable a usually alarmist rag -

"Stephen Hawking is wrong about runaway greenhouse on Earth and here's why"

"Stephen Hawking is a world-renowned theoretical physicist whose landmark contributions to cosmology, general relativity and quantum gravity changed the way we see the universe.

However, when it comes to climate change, the brilliant physicist is veering on the edge of total inaccuracy. "

"Among them, Zeke Hausfather, a climate scientist and energy systems analyst at Berkeley Earth and Gareth Jones, climate scientist at the Met Office:

The problem with Hawking's answer is that there's no possibility of Venus' runaway greenhouse conditions occurring on Earth as of now (the situation will be different in a billion years with sun becoming 10% brighter). "

Hausfather's quote -
"
Zeke Hausfather
‏ @hausfath

Zeke Hausfather Retweeted Gareth S Jones

A good example that even brilliant scientists sometimes say silly things when it's outside their field of expertise (see Nobel disease)"

https://mashable.com/2017/07/03/stephen-hawking-runaway-greenhouse-venus/#TpvPg3...

Hausfather is something of an alarmist himself.

Its just logic, Hawking had to spell it out for some, if you had a beacon of water with a bunsen burner below it keeping it at a constant temperature then all will all will remain constant, if an ever increasing atmosphere of CO2 was created around that beacon it is only reasonable to expect that beacon to boil dry and the lab to catch on fire, its not even E=MCsquared.
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Reply #68 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 10:07pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
if you had a beacon of water with a bunsen burner below it keeping it at a constant temperature then all will all will remain constant, if an ever increasing atmosphere of CO2 was created around that beacon it is only reasonable to expect that beacon to boil dry and the lab to catch on fire,



You do realise the earth is never getting to a temperature of a bunsen burner? Remember Global tamp 62.45F, fresh water boils 212F.

I've finished with you. You make less sense every time you post.
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Reply #69 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 10:14pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
if you had a beacon of water with a bunsen burner below it keeping it at a constant temperature then all will all will remain constant, if an ever increasing atmosphere of CO2 was created around that beacon it is only reasonable to expect that beacon to boil dry and the lab to catch on fire,



You do realise the earth is never getting to a temperature of a bunsen burner? Remember Global tamp 62.45F, fresh water boils 212F.

I've finished with you. You make less sense every time you post.

Ditto, you got nothing.
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Reply #70 - Mar 19th, 2018 at 1:16am
 
Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 10:14pm:
lee wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
Johnnie wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
if you had a beacon of water with a bunsen burner below it keeping it at a constant temperature then all will all will remain constant, if an ever increasing atmosphere of CO2 was created around that beacon it is only reasonable to expect that beacon to boil dry and the lab to catch on fire,



You do realise the earth is never getting to a temperature of a bunsen burner? Remember Global tamp 62.45F, fresh water boils 212F.

I've finished with you. You make less sense every time you post.

Ditto, you got nothing.

lol you got him jeez  Wink
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Reply #71 - Mar 19th, 2018 at 4:19pm
 
pretty disgusting of that twerp..Di Natale  to use the fires and the cyclone up north to get brownie points...

that man has no conscience what so ever.....

they should have booed him..

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Reply #72 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 3:30pm
 
Not all metaphors bear close examination  Roll Eyes
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Reply #73 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 5:11pm
 
Either DRAH is off his meds or self-medicating AGAIN.
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Reply #74 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 6:13pm
 
As I said to a global warming believer yesterday:


How does the Roman Warm Period or the Medieval Warming Period
fit into your ideas when there was no increase of CO2
before it happened?

How does it account for the little ice ages we've had? -

the Maunder Minimum & the Dalton Minimum?

More CO2 will increase the temperature but evidence
shown in this thread points to CO2 increasing following warm periods -
not the other way around.

There are known feedback systems like the Gulf stream
and cloud cover and many more
that are unknown.

The truth is that you're following the discredited ideas of Al Gore
and you're not alone -
there has been 20 years of propaganda that sheeple
have lapped up & swallowed from TV & newspapers.
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