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Reply #30 - Mar 11^th, 2018 at 3:42pm

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Clearance rates are down as the supply is starting to catch up ..... this is rare in Sydney. If the Clearance rates keep going down then the developers are doing their job. Where prices will continue to sky rocket is in houses, the are rapidly building units which may get into and over supply situation..... who knows as a buyer you need to judge these things !

We need to decentralise more. If people could move more easily to cheaper regional areas with assured work prospects, more would do so and take the pressure of the ridiculously expensive housing market in our capital cities. Australia has about 3 people per square kilometre in total, or about 20 people per square kilometre for the habitable areas with adequate water, yet we're trying to squeeze half our population into less than one per cent of the landmass. It's stupid.

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Reply #31 - Mar 11^th, 2018 at 5:34pm

Bam wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 3:42pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Clearance rates are down as the supply is starting to catch up ..... this is rare in Sydney. If the Clearance rates keep going down then the developers are doing their job. Where prices will continue to sky rocket is in houses, the are rapidly building units which may get into and over supply situation..... who knows as a buyer you need to judge these things !

We need to decentralise more. If people could move more easily to cheaper regional areas with assured work prospects, more would do so and take the pressure of the ridiculously expensive housing market in our capital cities. Australia has about 3 people per square kilometre in total, or about 20 people per square kilometre for the habitable areas with adequate water, yet we're trying to squeeze half our population into less than one per cent of the landmass. It's stupid.

Already been Discussed under Grattan Institute on population
Its been tried before with limited success but may no longer be an option.
Gough first suggested it under his RED schemes but the him and the ALP really had the anti-Midas touch every thing they touched turned to poo.

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Reply #32 - Mar 11^th, 2018 at 5:36pm

Bam wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 3:37pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Tolls are collected from the public on a user pays model not private funding.
You are getting confused about private operators collecting toll.

It is NOT user pays. Usually, it's user pays with a HUGE markup. If the tolls only lasted until the debt was paid off at no more than commercial interest rates, that would be fine. However, that's not the usual model. Instead, it's rent-seekers making massive amounts of money from the poor schmucks who have to pay the tolls - and workers cannot even claim the cost of these rip offs off their tax.

Toll roads are a disgustingly EXPENSIVE way of building a road. The government can fund the cost of these roads far cheaper.

If user pays was such a good idea, why not slap tolls on ALL roads? Maybe if you were paying $100 to $200 a week for YOUR commute you may feel differently.

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Not sure what you point is the previous ALP used private public model to build the Lane Cove Tunnel and the Cross City tunnel ...... this is how its done these days.

The LNP is just doing more of it.

All the more reason to vote them out - and keep on voting out governments that build new ones until they get the picture. Toll roads for private profit are completely unnecessary.

You are a little nutjob we should vote out the LNP for doing what the ALP did ?

Solid argument there in your little goldfish mind

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Reply #33 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 10:05am

The fact that it's done that way doesn't mean it has proven to be the best way - clearly it has shown that this business model is costly to the end user and eventually to the government and economy at the end of the day.

The escalated costs of earning a taxable living under this model directly affect income demand and thus have the effect of creating 'hidden' inflation, and contributing to 'lack of competitiveness'

(bullshit, bullshit)...

I remember a Californian Poppy hair oil ad from when I was a kid..

"I got a dozen oil wells in Texas!"

"But your hair - it's awful! try Californian Poppy!"

Nowadays it's:-

"I got a dozen oil wells in Texas!"

"Swap you for a loaf of bread..."

Coming soon to an economy near you!

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Reply #35 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 11:46am

Its time wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

2022 all state and federal Labor Smiley

I'm pretty sure Labor don't have the answers, either - as long as they stay mired down in their 'equality' campaign for women and the rest of the losers, and remain tied to their own version of 'globalisation' - there is no end in sight other than a house filled with Independents OR a New Party that encompasses all the real issues that need to be addressed.

I, for one, am heartily sick and tired of the 'realpolitik' involved in pursuit of some 'goal' that requires eggs to be broken but only those of a specified group

(hint: White Aussie men?)

, or that there be somehow a 'trade-off' of some evil in return for a little good.

Surely responsible government can handle ALL of those things without resorting to filthy gutter politics = abuse of the people = aim of subjugation of the masses = despotism.

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Reply #36 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 7:49pm

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 5:34pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 3:42pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Clearance rates are down as the supply is starting to catch up ..... this is rare in Sydney. If the Clearance rates keep going down then the developers are doing their job. Where prices will continue to sky rocket is in houses, the are rapidly building units which may get into and over supply situation..... who knows as a buyer you need to judge these things !

We need to decentralise more. If people could move more easily to cheaper regional areas with assured work prospects, more would do so and take the pressure of the ridiculously expensive housing market in our capital cities. Australia has about 3 people per square kilometre in total, or about 20 people per square kilometre for the habitable areas with adequate water, yet we're trying to squeeze half our population into less than one per cent of the landmass. It's stupid.

Already been Discussed under Grattan Institute on population
Its been tried before with limited success but may no longer be an option.
Gough first suggested it under his RED schemes but the him and the ALP really had the anti-Midas touch every thing they touched turned to poo.

Whitlam had the right idea but the time wasn't right. It was just an idea ahead of its time. It was infeasible at the time due to missing infrastructure. No fast internet was around then.

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Reply #37 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 7:51pm

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 5:36pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 3:37pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Tolls are collected from the public on a user pays model not private funding.
You are getting confused about private operators collecting toll.

It is NOT user pays. Usually, it's user pays with a HUGE markup. If the tolls only lasted until the debt was paid off at no more than commercial interest rates, that would be fine. However, that's not the usual model. Instead, it's rent-seekers making massive amounts of money from the poor schmucks who have to pay the tolls - and workers cannot even claim the cost of these rip offs off their tax.

Toll roads are a disgustingly EXPENSIVE way of building a road. The government can fund the cost of these roads far cheaper.

If user pays was such a good idea, why not slap tolls on ALL roads? Maybe if you were paying $100 to $200 a week for YOUR commute you may feel differently.

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Not sure what you point is the previous ALP used private public model to build the Lane Cove Tunnel and the Cross City tunnel ...... this is how its done these days.

The LNP is just doing more of it.

All the more reason to vote them out - and keep on voting out governments that build new ones until they get the picture. Toll roads for private profit are completely unnecessary.

You are a little nutjob we should vote out the LNP for doing what the ALP did ?

Solid argument there in your little goldfish mind

So what's wrong with voting out politicians who implement bad policy? You've not got an answer for that one, have you?

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Re: Luke Foley draws equal with Gladys Berejiklian
Reply #38 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 7:58pm

Bam wrote on Mar 7^th, 2018 at 3:57pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 7^th, 2018 at 9:22am:

I do like Liberal Governments Juliar but there is a rider on that

I Like GOOD Liberal Governments

This one inherited from Mike Baird after he sold off the Electricity Grid for a fraction of what it was really worth then bailed out to a safe Banking job worth millions, then suck holding Gladys Berejiklian engineered his job and she has gone mad with privatisation

The only reason there is a budget surplus is from the money gained from selling off our inheritance

One other reason, NSW receives more infrastructure money than it is entitled to receive on a per capita basis due to the Prime Minister, the Treasurer and the Infrastructure Minister all being from NSW. The last time the Federal Liberals were led by someone not from NSW was in 1995.

If NSW received $5 billion a year less in infrastructure funding (to match what Victoria receives per capita), it would have a much harder time building infrastructure while maintaining a Budget surplus.

Yet NSW pay more into the pie than they get back. NSW tax payers still subsidise other states.

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Reply #39 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 8:26pm

Bam wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 5:36pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 3:37pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Tolls are collected from the public on a user pays model not private funding.
You are getting confused about private operators collecting toll.

It is NOT user pays. Usually, it's user pays with a HUGE markup. If the tolls only lasted until the debt was paid off at no more than commercial interest rates, that would be fine. However, that's not the usual model. Instead, it's rent-seekers making massive amounts of money from the poor schmucks who have to pay the tolls - and workers cannot even claim the cost of these rip offs off their tax.

Toll roads are a disgustingly EXPENSIVE way of building a road. The government can fund the cost of these roads far cheaper.

If user pays was such a good idea, why not slap tolls on ALL roads? Maybe if you were paying $100 to $200 a week for YOUR commute you may feel differently.

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Not sure what you point is the previous ALP used private public model to build the Lane Cove Tunnel and the Cross City tunnel ...... this is how its done these days.

The LNP is just doing more of it.

All the more reason to vote them out - and keep on voting out governments that build new ones until they get the picture. Toll roads for private profit are completely unnecessary.

You are a little nutjob we should vote out the LNP for doing what the ALP did ?

Solid argument there in your little goldfish mind

So what's wrong with voting out politicians who implement bad policy? You've not got an answer for that one, have you?

I see its a comprehension issue so one party does something another party does exactly the same except this one is a bad policy ?
Only in a leftdigbatmind !

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Reply #40 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 8:34pm

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 8:26pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 5:36pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 3:37pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Tolls are collected from the public on a user pays model not private funding.
You are getting confused about private operators collecting toll.

It is NOT user pays. Usually, it's user pays with a HUGE markup. If the tolls only lasted until the debt was paid off at no more than commercial interest rates, that would be fine. However, that's not the usual model. Instead, it's rent-seekers making massive amounts of money from the poor schmucks who have to pay the tolls - and workers cannot even claim the cost of these rip offs off their tax.

Toll roads are a disgustingly EXPENSIVE way of building a road. The government can fund the cost of these roads far cheaper.

If user pays was such a good idea, why not slap tolls on ALL roads? Maybe if you were paying $100 to $200 a week for YOUR commute you may feel differently.

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Not sure what you point is the previous ALP used private public model to build the Lane Cove Tunnel and the Cross City tunnel ...... this is how its done these days.

The LNP is just doing more of it.

All the more reason to vote them out - and keep on voting out governments that build new ones until they get the picture. Toll roads for private profit are completely unnecessary.

You are a little nutjob we should vote out the LNP for doing what the ALP did ?

Solid argument there in your little goldfish mind

So what's wrong with voting out politicians who implement bad policy? You've not got an answer for that one, have you?

I see its a comprehension issue so one party does something another party does exactly the same except this one is a bad policy ?
Only in a leftdigbatmind !

You could not have possibly missed the fact that we currently have a very poor performing government that almost exclusivity operates in the realm of poor policy?

Bad governments need to be replaced. Previous governments also got things wrong and as a result were replaced.

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Reply #42 - Mar 13^th, 2018 at 6:45am

Dnarever wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 8:34pm: