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Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East
Reply #75 - Mar 8^th, 2018 at 9:59pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 8^th, 2018 at 1:43pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2018 at 9:27pm:

Duh. I never claimed it was his exact phrasing. That was you and Gandalf, in your absurd attempts to backpedal.

Do you have an opinion on what he said Aussie?

You could have said that pages ago.

I don't know enough about the alleged incident to comment. I do know that it is far from certain the alleged event occurred.

'Mindless collectives' exist everywhere. Just look at Members of political parties. Look at Armies. Look at any group of like minded people. Look at any group with a Leader.

You are an idiot of Bwianesque, Karnalian proportions. (ie very low IQ, uncomplicated stupid).

A bunch of mathematicians, charity workers, volunteer fire-fighters, teachers, carers, reformers, being like-minded, are now a 'mindless collective' because you, being an complete idiot, do not understand them.
Same for anyone who is not a wastrel and monomaniac like you.

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Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East
Reply #76 - Mar 8^th, 2018 at 10:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 5:52pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 5:29pm:

FD calls them treacherous because they broke some pact with Muhammed.

Its scheming K - we call them scheming jews.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 8:22pm:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 6:22pm:

I've seen Gandalf use the 'mindless collective' and the treacherous Jews argument

Quite right - you saw me using them without me ever mentioning them. Clever eh?

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:30pm:

Every reference to "tribe" made by Gandalf below just happens to be a tribe of Jews.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 10:27am:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

If you think these 800 people acted as some kind of mindless collective

Thats exactly what they were.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

Also the treachery of the jews had nothing to do with them refusing to help the muslims.
Simple facts FD.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

As I said, there was no real concept of individuality - your personality was literally defined by which tribe you belonged to. And the decisions that govern the tribe are very much decisions that are represented by all the individuals who make up the tribe. Thus there really is no question of collective guilt - no matter how abhorrent we find the term today.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Muhammad had been burnt before by granting another traitorous tribe free passage to leave the city - upon which they immediately started plotting against Medina and instigating hostilities.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

The leaders conspired - yes.

The rest of them had the opportunity to disown their treachery. They declined. So tough titties- off with their heads.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

What do you think the Banu Qurayza would have done to the muslims if their planned back-stabbing assault on Medina had succeeded?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Like I keep saying, it is reasonable to accuse them of collective guilt, since at any time any individual had the opportunity to disassociate themselves from the decisions made on behalf of the tribe.

Gandalf is one of the good Muslims.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

The phrase "treacherous jew argument" has obvious racist connotations. FD was obviously well aware of this when he put these words into my mouth.

I went to great lengths to point out their treachery had nothing to do with them being jews. FD deliberately set out to play the race card by using the term "treacherous jew", which he knows perfectly well is a notorious phrase heavily laden with racist overtones. But their treachery is a matter of simple historical fact - they conspired with the people who were attempting to annihilate Medina, in secret, in direct violation of the treaty they signed with Muhammad. But pointing that out is wacist innit.

The best FD can argue is that their treachery was justified, but treachery it was.

Plenty more here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968

Are you saying you agree with Gandalf Aussie?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East Reply #77 - Mar 8^th, 2018 at 11:22pm I don't read your quote bombs, FD. No-one does, I reckon.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East Reply #78 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 10:11am I think it needs to be said that not only is Yinon Plan a stupid, un-achievable, and undesirable plan, a great many Israelis would reject it.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47354 At my desk.	Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East Reply #79 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 12:52pm Aussie wrote on Mar 8^th, 2018 at 11:22pm: I don't read your quote bombs, FD. No-one does, I reckon. So you insist on offering your opinion on a subject you remain willfully ignorant of? Is this the same thing as running away every time?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East Reply #80 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 1:31pm No, it's simple, I don't read your quote bombs, and there is no way reading them would make me any less 'willfully ignorant.'
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Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East
Reply #81 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 6:24pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 1:31pm:

No, it's simple, I don't read your quote bombs, and there is no way reading them would make me any less 'willfully ignorant.'

You are an idiot of Bwianesque, Karnalian proportions. (ie very low IQ, uncomplicated stupid).

A bunch of mathematicians, charity workers, volunteer fire-fighters, teachers, carers, reformers, being like-minded, are now a 'mindless collective' because you, being an complete idiot, do not understand them.
Same for anyone who is not a wastrel and monomaniac like you.

And yes, you are a practicing, willfully ignorant fool.

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Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East
Reply #82 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 10:59pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2018 at 10:32pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 5^th, 2018 at 10:28pm:

What do you think of this one Aussie?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 10:27am:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

If you think these 800 people acted as some kind of mindless collective

Thats exactly what they were.

Wunaway now.

No. No 'wunaway.' I never do that, as you ought know by now.

Show me where he first used this entire phrase.

No wunaway?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47354 At my desk.	Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East Reply #83 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 8:09pm Aussie you said you never wunaway. Does retreating into self imposed ignorance on a topic you always feel compelled to comment on count?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East Reply #84 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 8:17pm freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2018 at 8:09pm: Aussie you said you never wunaway. Does retreating into self imposed ignorance on a topic you always feel compelled to comment on count? When Gandalf enters the Thread, I'll probably be less ignorant.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47354 At my desk.	Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East Reply #85 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 8:19pm But if I quote what he says, you'll refuse to have an opinion? What's the difference between wunaway and me no read?
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Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East
Reply #86 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 8:33pm

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

But if I quote what he says, you'll refuse to have an opinion?

What's the difference between wunaway and me no read?

He has said loud, long and very consistently that you either misquote him or put words in his mouth, and then post them as his......like 'mindless collective of treacherous Jews.' You attribute that to him but he never ever said that.

Funnily enough, I believe him.

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Re: Israel’s Yinon Plan for conflict-riven Middle East
Reply #87 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 10:23pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

But if I quote what he says, you'll refuse to have an opinion?

What's the difference between wunaway and me no read?

He has said loud, long and very consistently that you either misquote him or put words in his mouth, and then post them as his......like 'mindless collective of treacherous Jews.' You attribute that to him but he never ever said that.

Funnily enough, I believe him.

You believe he never said the things I attribute to him, at the same time as refusing to read what he said?

Tell us Aussie, what is the value of an opinion from someone who remains steadfastly and willfully ignorant on the topic?

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2018 at 10:32pm:

No. No 'wunaway.' I never do that, as you ought know by now.

What's the difference between wunaway and me no read?

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