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Re: Abbott is right, we need to reduce immigration
Reply #30 - Feb 26^th, 2018 at 4:46pm

crocodile wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 12:08pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 11:33am:

Bam wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

crocodile wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 11:22am:

Bam wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 11:11am:

crocodile wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 10:54am:

Bam wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 10:45am:

crocodile wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Amazing how people advocate for dropping immigration but can't articulate a solution to the fact that the population is aging.

You still haven't learned why you're wrong about this. Immigration is NOT at a level that maintains a stable population but is substantially greater than this. This population Ponzi scheme is not sustainable in the long term.

You haven't thought that one through very well. A stable population is not much use when the ratio of workers to non workers keeps diminishing.

That's a specious argument that ignores the reasons why this is happening. Immigration is adding cost pressures to infrastructure and housing that would not be as great if the population was stable. Another problem is a lack of jobs in regional areas. Reduce these cost pressures and create these jobs in regional areas, and people could live more cheaply and afford to have more children.

You're also ignoring what happens when working-age immigrants reach retirement age. Do we solve that with even more immigration? Do we send them "home"?

Another factor that reduces taxation revenue and the birthrate is the 20% of the working age population who are forced by government policy to have no work at all or insufficient work. Eradicating involuntary unemployment could do a lot to boost the spending power of this bottom quintile of the working-age population. Taxation revenues would increase, and they could afford to have more children - future taxpayers.

Specious my arse. We're living longer. In 50 years time the 65 and over will account for 25% of the population against today's 15%. How in the fukk are we going to produce the same level of goods and services with 10% less labour. You can waffle about infrastructure and all other undesirable outcomes as much as you want but it does not address the first fundamental problem.

Increase the superannuation guarantee to 15% as Keating originally intended. That would solve a lot of problems with an aging population by allowing retirees to be more self-funded. Businesses can pay for that extra cost easily if payroll tax was abolished.

It doesn't matter how much money the retirees have in their claw. They can only purchase what is produced. How do you intend to satisfy the production needs with less labour.

Your argument is relying on false assumptions. The labour IS available, but is not currently being utilised. How can you assert that there isn't the labour available when 10% to 20% of the workforce doesn't have enough work?

There aren't any false assumptions just your misunderstanding. Even if every unemployed person could be deployed it only avoids the inevitable labour shortage for a short time until life expectancy increases past the rate of resupply.

Rubbish. The economy seriously constrains the spending power of 20% of the workforce with an artificial shortage of jobs and over three million Australians live in poverty. The low birthrate is an inevitable consequence of this.

The birthrate dropped substantially around the same time as when full employment was abolished. The contraceptive pill was introduced around 1960.

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Re: Abbott is right, we need to reduce immigration
Reply #31 - Feb 26^th, 2018 at 4:50pm

Bam wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 4:46pm: