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Feb 25th, 2018 at 7:56am
 
Centrelink stands by decision to deny disability payments to shark attack victim

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Updated 12 May 2017.


The government department that runs Centrelink has backed a decision to deny disability payments to a man who lost his leg in a shark attack, saying he should complete rehabilitation and get a prosthesis fitted before being considered.   Sad

Cairns spearfisherman Glenn Dickson had his leg amputated in February after he was bitten by a bull shark near Hinchinbrook Island, but was knocked back from receiving disability support because his impairment was not deemed severe enough.

"The shark hit my leg like a chainsaw," Mr Dickson said.

    "It swallowed my whole leg and had chomped and shredded all around my upper thigh, completely to the bone."

He has spent the last three months recovering and applied to Centrelink for the disability support pension (DSP).

Mr Dickson said he could not currently work in his occupation as a boilermaker and his family was experiencing financial uncertainty as they approached the birth of their third child.

"It's a lot harder for my partner. She now has to look after me," Mr Dickson said.
Department tells man to get rehab, prosthetic leg

In a statement, Department of Human Services general manager Hank Jongen said the department had reviewed its decision to reject Mr Dickson's application.   

"The department can confirm a review has shown this matter was handled appropriately and in accordance with legislation," he said.


Mr Jongen said eligibility for the DSP was "not based on the diagnosis of a condition or amputation alone" and medical conditions must be "fully diagnosed, treated and stabilised" before the department's health professionals can make an assessment.

He added that a person needed to prove that treatment would not result in significant functional improvement within two years.

"For people who have had an amputation, it is reasonable to expect that having a prosthesis fitted and participating in rehabilitation will result in significant functional improvements in the next two years, and those improvements will allow them to undertake some kind of work," he said.

A Centrelink letter sent to Mr Dickson last month said he was deemed ineligible for the pension because he did not have "an impairment rating of 20 points or more".

"In making this decision we took into account all available medical evidence and other relevant information about your circumstances," the letter stated.

Mr Dickson said he was receiving Newstart — the welfare payment for jobseekers — however he would prefer to be on the higher payment DSP.

"When you lose your leg, you'll think you're just going to get it, that's a disability," he said.

Mr Dickson may be eligible for sickness allowance, another welfare payment for people who temporarily cannot work or study because of an injury, illness or disability.
Centrelink becoming 'increasingly punitive', MP says

Cairns MP Rob Pyne is a quadriplegic and a strong advocate for people with disabilities.
Cairns MP Rob Pyne speaking to ABC Radio in Cairns
Cairns MP Rob Pyne says Mr Dickson's case is an example of why law changes are needed.

He believes Centrelink is becoming "increasingly punitive" in its approach to approving welfare payments for people with disabilities.   Sad

"I've sat with the mum of a young lad who had a stroke and been non-verbal and not even able to communicate," he said.

"Yet [he was] denied the disability support pension because the doctors wouldn't sign something to say he'd never recover.   Sad
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Reply #1 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 7:59am
 
A Centrelink letter sent to Mr Dickson last month said he was deemed ineligible for the pension because he did not have "an impairment rating of 20 points or more".  How many points do you get if you lose your head?.   Sad
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Reply #2 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:30am
 
Good posts WhiteKnight,

The Govt. is quick to grab peoples tax money while they are working but
when they become sick they don't want to know you.

The taxes we pay should act as some kind of insurance that we will have protection
when falling ill or disabled or unemployed however it's not the case.

Getting money out of Centerlink is like getting blood out of stone.
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Reply #3 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:35am
 
Well said Bobby.  Yes its always look after the big end of town.   Sad
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whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 7:56am:
Centrelink stands by decision to deny disability payments to shark attack victim

ABC News
Updated 12 May 2017.


The government department that runs Centrelink has backed a decision to deny disability payments to a man who lost his leg in a shark attack, saying he should complete rehabilitation and get a prosthesis fitted before being considered.   Sad

Cairns spearfisherman Glenn Dickson had his leg amputated in February after he was bitten by a bull shark near Hinchinbrook Island, but was knocked back from receiving disability support because his impairment was not deemed severe enough.

"The shark hit my leg like a chainsaw," Mr Dickson said.

    "It swallowed my whole leg and had chomped and shredded all around my upper thigh, completely to the bone."

He has spent the last three months recovering and applied to Centrelink for the disability support pension (DSP).

Mr Dickson said he could not currently work in his occupation as a boilermaker and his family was experiencing financial uncertainty as they approached the birth of their third child.

In a statement, Department of Human Services general manager Hank Jongen said the department had reviewed its decision to reject Mr Dickson's application.   

"The department can confirm a review has shown this matter was handled appropriately and in accordance with legislation," he said.

Mr Jongen said eligibility for the DSP was "not based on the diagnosis of a condition or amputation alone" and medical conditions must be "fully diagnosed, treated and stabilised" before the department's health professionals can make an assessment.

He added that a person needed to prove that treatment would not result in significant functional improvement within two years.

"For people who have had an amputation, it is reasonable to expect that having a prosthesis fitted and participating in rehabilitation will result in significant functional improvements in the next two years, and those improvements will allow them to undertake some kind of work," he said.

Mr Dickson said he was receiving Newstart — the welfare payment for jobseekers — however he would prefer to be on the higher payment DSP.

Mr Dickson may be eligible for sickness allowance, another welfare payment for people who temporarily cannot work or study because of an injury, illness or disability.

Cairns MP Rob Pyne is a quadriplegic and a strong advocate for people with disabilities.


The disability pension is for those who have medical evidence showing they cannot work for more than 15 hours per week in any job and no prospects of ever being able to work for more than 15 hours per week.

They were right in denying this person a DSP for losing a leg, losing a leg doesn't mean you are incapable of working again.

This guy lost more limbs due to shark attack he didn't apply for the DSP, he didn't go back to his old job he took on a new job.
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Reply #5 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:50am
 
Correct decision, he will be able to work again when he gets a prosthetic. His current lack of mobility isn't permanent.

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Reply #6 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:53am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:42am:
The disability pension is for those who have medical evidence showing they cannot work for more than 15 hours per week in any job and no prospects of ever being able to work for more than 15 hours per week.

They were right in denying this person a DSP for losing a leg, losing a leg doesn't mean you are incapable of working again.

This guy lost more limbs due to shark attack he didn't apply for the DSP, he didn't go back to his old job he took on a new job.
http://pauldegelder.com/



You can have medical evidence but Centrelink
won't follow it - even though it could be from a surgeon or many doctors.
They have their own processes and "doctors".
Centrelink goes against expert advice.
It's time Centrelink was taken to court in a massive class action by
Slater and Gordon or some other legal firm.

The class action could be for an amount as high as $10 billion -
that's about the amount of money that Centrelink
has ripped off taxpayers who fell on hard times.
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Reply #7 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:57am
 
Disability Support Pension cuts bad news for people affected

Australian Council Of Social Service
21 February 2018

Reports about lower spending on the Disability Support Pension (DSP) hide the increasing number of people on unemployment payments who have a limited capacity to work.   Sad

These people have little hope of finding full time work, not least because there is only one job available for every eight applicants.

The savage drop in successful applications for the DSP has meant that large numbers of people with a disability are instead being forced onto the Newstart Allowance, receiving $170 per week less.

Cassandra Goldie, CEO of ACOSS says people are forced onto Newstart despite being known as disadvantaged in the jobseeker market.   Sad

“Almost one third of people on Newstart Allowance have a partial capacity to work,” says Dr Goldie.

“A partial capacity means a person, because of illness or disability, is defined by Centrelink as only able to work between 0 and 30 hours per week. Yet they are forced onto Newstart Allowance, a lower rate of payment than DSP, and must compete with other jobseekers who have full capacity to work.

“Over several years, governments have tightened DSP eligibility requirements. These policies increase rates of poverty in Australia.   Sad

“Successful claims have dropped from 63 per cent in 2010 to just 25 per cent in 2015/16 – not 40 per cent as suggested in media reports.

“Many people denied DSP would be forced to accept Newstart. They often have a poor chance of getting paid work and have to cover the cost of basic essentials including food, housing, transport and medical costs on just $274 per week (not including rent assistance), which is $174 per week lower than the DSP and more than $100 per week below the poverty line.

“This is obviously devastating for people who are living with a disability, often acquired in the workplace, and who are struggling to find a job.”

People can appeal a decision to deny them DSP, but they often need assistance from community legal centres like Social Security Rights centres.

The National Social Security Rights Network reviewed 22 of their centres’ cases where someone had been denied DSP and appealed the decision. Of these, 17 were granted DSP on appeal (77%).

“How many people are out there who have been denied DSP but are living with the wrong decision and haven’t appealed it?” asks Dr Goldie.

“Our social security system should ensure that people get the right support they are entitled to.

“We must urgently increase the rate of unemployment payment so that it does not leave people destitute.   

“We must ensure people who need the DSP receive it.  And we must do better in terms of employing people with a disability.”
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Reply #8 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:59am
 
We need a class action by Slater and Gordon.
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Reply #9 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:03am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:53am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:42am:
The disability pension is for those who have medical evidence showing they cannot work for more than 15 hours per week in any job and no prospects of ever being able to work for more than 15 hours per week.

They were right in denying this person a DSP for losing a leg, losing a leg doesn't mean you are incapable of working again.

This guy lost more limbs due to shark attack he didn't apply for the DSP, he didn't go back to his old job he took on a new job.
http://pauldegelder.com/



You can have medical evidence but Centrelink
won't follow it - even though it could be from a surgeon or many doctors.
They have their own processes and "doctors".
Centrelink goes against expert advice.
It's time Centrelink was taken to court in a massive class action by
Slater and Gordon or some other legal firm.

The class action could be for an amount as high as $10 billion -
that's about the amount of money that Centrelink
has ripped off taxpayers who fell on hard times.


Losing a leg doesn't prevent you from working again, it was the correct decision to deny this person the DSP.

The Disability pension is for those who are incapable of working for more than 15 hours per week in any job for the rest of their life.
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Reply #10 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:06am
 
Yes Bobby I think you are right, we need a class action.   Sad
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Reply #11 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:12am
 
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:06am:
Yes Bobby I think you are right, we need a class action.   Sad


Against the government? Good luck with that.
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Reply #12 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:14am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:03am:
Losing a leg doesn't prevent you from working again, it was the correct decision to deny this person the DSP.

The Disability pension is for those who are incapable of working for more than 15 hours per week in any job for the rest of their life.



The Disability pension is for those who are incapable of working
due to medical reasons.
Some of those reasons may be temporary and others could be long term.
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Reply #13 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:15am
 
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:12am:
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:06am:
Yes Bobby I think you are right, we need a class action.   Sad


Against the government? Good luck with that.



Yes about a $10 billion class action should get some notice by the public servants.
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Reply #14 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:18am
 
You would be badly mistaken if you believed this government would give a pension to anyone just because they were disabled.

If they were to do this where would they get the money for wealthfare and tax cuts for big business ?

Actually tightening the disability criteria is one of the means that they actually did use to raise money for big business tax cuts. That is a fact this is exactly where this guys pension went.
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Reply #15 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:19am
 
Many people denied DSP would be forced to accept Newstart. They often have a poor chance of getting paid work and have to cover the cost of basic essentials including food, housing, transport and medical costs on just $274 per week (not including rent assistance), which is $174 per week lower than the DSP and more than $100 per week below the poverty line.   Sad
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Reply #16 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:19am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:15am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:12am:
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:06am:
Yes Bobby I think you are right, we need a class action.   Sad


Against the government? Good luck with that.



Yes about a $10 billion class action should get some notice by the public servants.


It would end up in the high or supreme court which is stacked with Liberal yes-men and fizzle out.

I'm not saying you're wrong, Centrelink needs a shake up, but a class action wouldn't work.
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Reply #17 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:21am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:15am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:12am:
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:06am:
Yes Bobby I think you are right, we need a class action.   Sad


Against the government? Good luck with that.



Yes about a $10 billion class action should get some notice by the public servants.


It isn't a public service decision the Lib government legislated changes to the disability standard. People do not qualify as disabled because if they do they get NDIS support which the Liberals have kept in theory but refuse to pay to people who are genuinely disabled.

Way too expensive when you need to give big business tax cuts.
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Reply #18 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:35am
 
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:19am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:15am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:12am:
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:06am:
Yes Bobby I think you are right, we need a class action.   Sad


Against the government? Good luck with that.



Yes about a $10 billion class action should get some notice by the public servants.


It would end up in the high or supreme court which is stacked with Liberal yes-men and fizzle out.

I'm not saying you're wrong, Centrelink needs a shake up, but a class action wouldn't work.



I reckon there would be a good case because Centrelink ignores
evidence from medical specialists and doctors.
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Reply #19 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:41am
 
Seems Shine Lawyers have taken on his cause against Centrelink and his super fund who will not release a lump sum payment.

https://www.shine.com.au/blog/superannuation-and-insurance-law/shark-attack-vict...


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Reply #20 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:44am
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:41am:
Seems Shine Lawyers have taken on his cause against Centrelink and his super fund who will not release a lump sum payment.

https://www.shine.com.au/blog/superannuation-and-insurance-law/shark-attack-vict...





But there needs to be a class action - imagine if 1 million people signed up?
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Reply #21 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 10:01am
 
seriously  $400 extra a fortnight how hard is that for centrelink..... he seems to have done wonders to get back on his two feet.. he is not a malingerer trying to rip us off.....he looks like he wants Job and will do his best to get one....ye gods   seriously are we this miserly..
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Reply #22 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 10:32am
 
Lets get this in perspective.
He is being supported by the taxpayer, as he should be.

Long term this decision is best for him as long term the best thing for him is to focus on rehab and returning to work full time.

Him being put for life on a DSP is bad for him, and for taxpayers.

He's a young fit guy, he'll be right. Even he says he won't let it effect his life.

"I'm not going to let this tragic incident change my life to the effect I don't want to get back into the ocean," he said


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Oh well he knew the risks when he entered their territory,,,, etc etc
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Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 10:32am:
Lets get this in perspective.
He is being supported by the taxpayer, as he should be.

Long term this decision is best for him as long term the best thing for him is to focus on rehab and returning to work full time.

Him being put for life on a DSP is bad for him, and for taxpayers.

He's a young fit guy, he'll be right. Even he says he won't let it effect his life.

"I'm not going to let this tragic incident change my life to the effect I don't want to get back into the ocean," he said





he is only asking for help in the short term ..


he cant do his original trade he has to start again...

he needs help NOW... and hes not asking for it for life.
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Reply #25 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 1:22pm
 
Herbie got the DSP for his nerves.

Go figure.
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Reply #26 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 1:31pm
 
cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 10:32am:
Lets get this in perspective.
He is being supported by the taxpayer, as he should be.

Long term this decision is best for him as long term the best thing for him is to focus on rehab and returning to work full time.

Him being put for life on a DSP is bad for him, and for taxpayers.

He's a young fit guy, he'll be right. Even he says he won't let it effect his life.

"I'm not going to let this tragic incident change my life to the effect I don't want to get back into the ocean," he said





he is only asking for help in the short term ..


he cant do his original trade he has to start again...

he needs help NOW... and hes not asking for it for life.


He's getting help NOW.  Smiley He's getting the dole.

Isn't it hard to get someone off DSP once their on?
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Reply #27 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 1:33pm
 
cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 10:01am:
seriously  $400 extra a fortnight how hard is that for centrelink..... he seems to have done wonders to get back on his two feet.. he is not a malingerer trying to rip us off.....he looks like he wants Job and will do his best to get one....ye gods   seriously are we this miserly..


That's the problem, cods, he only has one...
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Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:30am:
Good posts WhiteKnight,

The Govt. is quick to grab peoples tax money while they are working but
when they become sick they don't want to know you.

The taxes we pay should act as some kind of insurance that we will have protection
when falling ill or disabled or unemployed however it's not the case.

Getting money out of Centerlink is like getting blood out of stone.


Does Bobby qualify for frequent flyer points at Centrelink like denizen Valkie?
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Reply #29 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 1:43pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:14am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:03am:
Losing a leg doesn't prevent you from working again, it was the correct decision to deny this person the DSP.

The Disability pension is for those who are incapable of working for more than 15 hours per week in any job for the rest of their life.



The Disability pension is for those who are incapable of working
due to medical reasons.
Some of those reasons may be temporary and others could be long term.


I think it's reviewed every two years or something..... temporary sustenance is via sickness benefit which is the same as the dole except you don't have to look for work.

My concern is this ideological stance of 'government' that there are all these people out there on DSP who shouldn't be.... if that is the case - SHOW me where all these past 'rorters' got through and what you are doing about them - rather than making it nearly impossible for anyone to get on it.

As for Fat Hank - to the wall....
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Reply #30 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 2:13pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:19am:
Many people denied DSP would be forced to accept Newstart. They often have a poor chance of getting paid work and have to cover the cost of basic essentials including food, housing, transport and medical costs on just $274 per week (not including rent assistance), which is $174 per week lower than the DSP and more than $100 per week below the poverty line.   Sad



Many people are on DSP merely for being fat, lazy and stupid, all of which are not disabilities.


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Reply #31 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 2:13pm
 
He should just call himself a muzzo and he will get the disability pension with no problems.

After all.
Don't all muzzos live on the disability pension????
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Reply #32 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 3:34pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:19am:
Many people denied DSP would be forced to accept Newstart. They often have a poor chance of getting paid work and have to cover the cost of basic essentials including food, housing, transport and medical costs on just $274 per week (not including rent assistance), which is $174 per week lower than the DSP and more than $100 per week below the poverty line.   Sad


Those who cannot qualify for a disability pension aren't forced to accept the dole they can get a job.

Losing a leg doesn't stop you from working I have a friend who cannot walk she is a paraplegic and she works full time.

Those on the DSP are judged to never be able to work again so stop comparing what they get to the dole which is for people who can work again.

The minimum wage is over $18 per hour if you want more money than the dole get a job.
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Reply #33 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 4:01pm
 
Maybe there are some people that should be on the disability pension, but cant get on it.  It doesn't seem to be a very fair system,when so many people are knocked back.  So one cant get the DSP unless they get the 20 points.  How many points does one get, if they lose their head?.   Sad    
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Reply #34 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 4:48pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 10:32am:
Lets get this in perspective.
He is being supported by the taxpayer, as he should be.

Long term this decision is best for him as long term the best thing for him is to focus on rehab and returning to work full time.

Him being put for life on a DSP is bad for him, and for taxpayers.

He's a young fit guy, he'll be right. Even he says he won't let it effect his life.

"I'm not going to let this tragic incident change my life to the effect I don't want to get back into the ocean," he said





he is only asking for help in the short term ..


he cant do his original trade he has to start again...

he needs help NOW... and hes not asking for it for life.


He's getting help NOW.  Smiley He's getting the dole.

Isn't it hard to get someone off DSP once their on?



of course it isnt....if he arrived here on a boat  he would have no problems...it makes me sick....he has probably paid his dues in income tax....... he does have one leg  he does have to recover  and from what I read he is doing his best .. but in the mean time  he needs HELP...
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Reply #35 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 4:52pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Maybe there are some people that should be on the disability pension, but cant get on it.  It doesn't seem to be a very fair system,when so many people are knocked back.  So one cant get the DSP unless they get the 20 points.  How many points does one get, if they lose their head?.   Sad    



what about compassionate circumstances....no one has a clue about emotional trauma and what effects it has on individuals.....losing a leg to a shark   would have to be the ultimate nightmare...

maybe he needs to claim he has aboriginal blood.. problem solved.
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Reply #36 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 4:55pm
 
cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 10:32am:
Lets get this in perspective.
He is being supported by the taxpayer, as he should be.

Long term this decision is best for him as long term the best thing for him is to focus on rehab and returning to work full time.

Him being put for life on a DSP is bad for him, and for taxpayers.

He's a young fit guy, he'll be right. Even he says he won't let it effect his life.

"I'm not going to let this tragic incident change my life to the effect I don't want to get back into the ocean," he said





he is only asking for help in the short term ..


he cant do his original trade he has to start again...

he needs help NOW... and hes not asking for it for life.


He's getting help NOW.  Smiley He's getting the dole.

Isn't it hard to get someone off DSP once their on?



of course it isnt....if he arrived here on a boat  he would have no problems...it makes me sick....he has probably paid his dues in income tax....... he does have one leg  he does have to recover  and from what I read he is doing his best .. but in the mean time  he needs HELP...


But Cods, he's being helped with new start and a sick dispensation so he doesn't have to hope around looking for work
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Reply #37 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 5:02pm
 
Cassandra Goldie, CEO of ACOSS says people are forced onto Newstart despite being known as disadvantaged in the jobseeker market.   

“Almost one third of people on Newstart Allowance have a partial capacity to work,” says Dr Goldie.

“A partial capacity means a person, because of illness or disability, is defined by Centrelink as only able to work between 0 and 30 hours per week. Yet they are forced onto Newstart Allowance, a lower rate of payment than DSP, and must compete with other jobseekers who have full capacity to work.   Sad
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Reply #38 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 11:33pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 10:32am:
Lets get this in perspective.
He is being supported by the taxpayer, as he should be.

Long term this decision is best for him as long term the best thing for him is to focus on rehab and returning to work full time.

Him being put for life on a DSP is bad for him, and for taxpayers.

He's a young fit guy, he'll be right. Even he says he won't let it effect his life.

"I'm not going to let this tragic incident change my life to the effect I don't want to get back into the ocean," he said





he is only asking for help in the short term ..


he cant do his original trade he has to start again...

he needs help NOW... and hes not asking for it for life.


He's getting help NOW.  Smiley He's getting the dole.

Isn't it hard to get someone off DSP once their on?


Reviewed every two years..... not hard at all... but the theory is that if they have a little more during those two years, it may help in rehabilitation etc.  Lips Sealed
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Reply #39 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 11:59pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 5:02pm:
Cassandra Goldie, CEO of ACOSS says people are forced onto Newstart despite being known as disadvantaged in the jobseeker market.   

“Almost one third of people on Newstart Allowance have a partial capacity to work,” says Dr Goldie.

“A partial capacity means a person, because of illness or disability, is defined by Centrelink as only able to work between 0 and 30 hours per week. Yet they are forced onto Newstart Allowance, a lower rate of payment than DSP, and must compete with other jobseekers who have full capacity to work.   Sad


It can be a little worse than that, I am supposed to support my disabled wife in a govt initiated and mandated dual income society. I either piss her off or we become impoverished on one income. What should I choose? The money or the box?
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Reply #40 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 2:03pm
 
I think you can only really get the DSP AFTER you are on medical certificate for >2 years usually.  So if his leg just got bitten off, then he wont be eligible.   He may have to wait.  To survive these types of attacks, the survivors usually also suffers from PTSD, and chronic pains.  The PTSD may not show up initially, but slowly bit by bit, it would creep back into his mind.   It always does. 

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Reply #41 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 3:16pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 2:13pm:
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:19am:
Many people denied DSP would be forced to accept Newstart. They often have a poor chance of getting paid work and have to cover the cost of basic essentials including food, housing, transport and medical costs on just $274 per week (not including rent assistance), which is $174 per week lower than the DSP and more than $100 per week below the poverty line.   Sad



Many people are on DSP merely for being fat, lazy and stupid, all of which are not disabilities.





Really? I dare you to apply for it. Let me know how you go.

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Reply #42 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 3:18pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 10:32am:
Lets get this in perspective.
He is being supported by the taxpayer, as he should be.

Long term this decision is best for him as long term the best thing for him is to focus on rehab and returning to work full time.

Him being put for life on a DSP is bad for him, and for taxpayers.

He's a young fit guy, he'll be right. Even he says he won't let it effect his life.

"I'm not going to let this tragic incident change my life to the effect I don't want to get back into the ocean," he said





he is only asking for help in the short term ..


he cant do his original trade he has to start again...

he needs help NOW... and hes not asking for it for life.


He's getting help NOW.  Smiley He's getting the dole.

Isn't it hard to get someone off DSP once their on?



of course it isnt....if he arrived here on a boat  he would have no problems...it makes me sick....he has probably paid his dues in income tax....... he does have one leg  he does have to recover  and from what I read he is doing his best .. but in the mean time  he needs HELP...


But Cods, he's being helped with new start and a sick dispensation so he doesn't have to hope around looking for work


From what I can see that isnt enough to pay rent.

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Reply #43 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 4:19pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2018 at 3:18pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 10:32am:
Lets get this in perspective.
He is being supported by the taxpayer, as he should be.

Long term this decision is best for him as long term the best thing for him is to focus on rehab and returning to work full time.

Him being put for life on a DSP is bad for him, and for taxpayers.

He's a young fit guy, he'll be right. Even he says he won't let it effect his life.

"I'm not going to let this tragic incident change my life to the effect I don't want to get back into the ocean," he said





he is only asking for help in the short term ..


he cant do his original trade he has to start again...

he needs help NOW... and hes not asking for it for life.


He's getting help NOW.  Smiley He's getting the dole.

Isn't it hard to get someone off DSP once their on?



of course it isnt....if he arrived here on a boat  he would have no problems...it makes me sick....he has probably paid his dues in income tax....... he does have one leg  he does have to recover  and from what I read he is doing his best .. but in the mean time  he needs HELP...


But Cods, he's being helped with new start and a sick dispensation so he doesn't have to hope around looking for work


From what I can see that isnt enough to pay rent.

Spot


What makes you think he is paying rent when linked articles mentioned he was going to modify his home?
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Reply #44 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 4:38pm
 
Why, when i am not logged in, i can see a reply to my post by baron? When I log in it isnt here. Log out again and there it is. Whats going on?

Baron - im just saying that if its not enough to pay rent then its not enough to live on much less pay medical expenses.

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Reply #45 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 9:48pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 2:13pm:
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:19am:
Many people denied DSP would be forced to accept Newstart. They often have a poor chance of getting paid work and have to cover the cost of basic essentials including food, housing, transport and medical costs on just $274 per week (not including rent assistance), which is $174 per week lower than the DSP and more than $100 per week below the poverty line.   Sad



Many people are on DSP merely for being fat, lazy and stupid, all of which are not disabilities.





Really? I dare you to apply for it. Let me know how you go.

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Yeah, not any of those things, so...........
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Reply #46 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 9:54pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2018 at 4:38pm:
Why, when i am not logged in, i can see a reply to my post by baron? When I log in it isnt here. Log out again and there it is. Whats going on?

Baron - im just saying that if its not enough to pay rent then its not enough to live on much less pay medical expenses.

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not enough to pay rent  -

yes - and we wonder why burglaries and other crimes are so high at the moment.

The unemployed are being forced to commit crimes in order to survive.

Your home needs to be a fortress these days -
unfortunately mine isn't.
My old apartment was a fortress after a serious burglary.

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Reply #47 - Feb 27th, 2018 at 7:19am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26th, 2018 at 9:48pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 2:13pm:
whiteknight wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 9:19am:
Many people denied DSP would be forced to accept Newstart. They often have a poor chance of getting paid work and have to cover the cost of basic essentials including food, housing, transport and medical costs on just $274 per week (not including rent assistance), which is $174 per week lower than the DSP and more than $100 per week below the poverty line.   Sad



Many people are on DSP merely for being fat, lazy and stupid, all of which are not disabilities.





Really? I dare you to apply for it. Let me know how you go.

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Yeah, not any of those things, so...........


I was obviously being sarcastic since you cant get on a DSP for any of those things.

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