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Re: The Disability Support Pension
Reply #15 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:19am

Many people denied DSP would be forced to accept Newstart. They often have a poor chance of getting paid work and have to cover the cost of basic essentials including food, housing, transport and medical costs on just $274 per week (not including rent assistance), which is $174 per week lower than the DSP and more than $100 per week below the poverty line. Sad

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Re: The Disability Support Pension
Reply #16 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:19am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:15am:

Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:12am:

whiteknight wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:06am:

Yes Bobby I think you are right, we need a class action. Sad

Against the government? Good luck with that.

Yes about a $10 billion class action should get some notice by the public servants.

It would end up in the high or supreme court which is stacked with Liberal yes-men and fizzle out.

I'm not saying you're wrong, Centrelink needs a shake up, but a class action wouldn't work.

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Re: The Disability Support Pension
Reply #17 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:21am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:15am:

Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:12am:

whiteknight wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:06am:

Yes Bobby I think you are right, we need a class action. Sad

Against the government? Good luck with that.

Yes about a $10 billion class action should get some notice by the public servants.

It isn't a public service decision the Lib government legislated changes to the disability standard. People do not qualify as disabled because if they do they get NDIS support which the Liberals have kept in theory but refuse to pay to people who are genuinely disabled.

Way too expensive when you need to give big business tax cuts.

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Re: The Disability Support Pension
Reply #18 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:35am

Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:19am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:15am:

Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:12am:

whiteknight wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:06am:

Yes Bobby I think you are right, we need a class action. Sad

Against the government? Good luck with that.

Yes about a $10 billion class action should get some notice by the public servants.

It would end up in the high or supreme court which is stacked with Liberal yes-men and fizzle out.

I'm not saying you're wrong, Centrelink needs a shake up, but a class action wouldn't work.

I reckon there would be a good case because Centrelink ignores
evidence from medical specialists and doctors.

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Alinta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1469 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Disability Support Pension Reply #19 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:41am Seems Shine Lawyers have taken on his cause against Centrelink and his super fund who will not release a lump sum payment. https://www.shine.com.au/blog/superannuation-and-insurance-law/shark-attack-vict...
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Re: The Disability Support Pension
Reply #20 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:44am

Alinta wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:41am:

Seems Shine Lawyers have taken on his cause against Centrelink and his super fund who will not release a lump sum payment.

https://www.shine.com.au/blog/superannuation-and-insurance-law/shark-attack-vict...

But there needs to be a class action - imagine if 1 million people signed up?

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: The Disability Support Pension Reply #21 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 10:01am seriously $400 extra a fortnight how hard is that for centrelink..... he seems to have done wonders to get back on his two feet.. he is not a malingerer trying to rip us off.....he looks like he wants Job and will do his best to get one....ye gods seriously are we this miserly..
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Re: The Disability Support Pension
Reply #22 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 10:32am

Lets get this in perspective.
He is being supported by the taxpayer, as he should be.

Long term this decision is best for him as long term the best thing for him is to focus on rehab and returning to work full time.

Him being put for life on a DSP is bad for him, and for taxpayers.

He's a young fit guy, he'll be right. Even he says he won't let it effect his life.

"I'm not going to let this tragic incident change my life to the effect I don't want to get back into the ocean," he said

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: The Disability Support Pension Reply #23 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 10:37am Oh well he knew the risks when he entered their territory,,,, etc etc
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Re: The Disability Support Pension
Reply #24 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 12:35pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 10:32am:

Lets get this in perspective.
He is being supported by the taxpayer, as he should be.

Long term this decision is best for him as long term the best thing for him is to focus on rehab and returning to work full time.

Him being put for life on a DSP is bad for him, and for taxpayers.

He's a young fit guy, he'll be right. Even he says he won't let it effect his life.

"I'm not going to let this tragic incident change my life to the effect I don't want to get back into the ocean," he said

he is only asking for help in the short term ..

he cant do his original trade he has to start again...

he needs help NOW... and hes not asking for it for life.

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92377 Gender:	Re: The Disability Support Pension Reply #25 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 1:22pm Herbie got the DSP for his nerves. Go figure.
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Re: The Disability Support Pension
Reply #26 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 1:31pm

cods wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 12:35pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 10:32am:

Lets get this in perspective.
He is being supported by the taxpayer, as he should be.

Long term this decision is best for him as long term the best thing for him is to focus on rehab and returning to work full time.

Him being put for life on a DSP is bad for him, and for taxpayers.

He's a young fit guy, he'll be right. Even he says he won't let it effect his life.

"I'm not going to let this tragic incident change my life to the effect I don't want to get back into the ocean," he said

he is only asking for help in the short term ..

he cant do his original trade he has to start again...

he needs help NOW... and hes not asking for it for life.

He's getting help NOW.

He's getting the dole.

Isn't it hard to get someone off DSP once their on?

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Re: The Disability Support Pension
Reply #27 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 1:33pm

cods wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 10:01am:

seriously $400 extra a fortnight how hard is that for centrelink..... he seems to have done wonders to get back on his two feet.. he is not a malingerer trying to rip us off.....he looks like he wants Job and will do his best to get one....ye gods seriously are we this miserly..

That's the problem, cods, he only has one...

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Re: The Disability Support Pension
Reply #28 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 1:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 8:30am:

Good posts WhiteKnight,

The Govt. is quick to grab peoples tax money while they are working but
when they become sick they don't want to know you.

The taxes we pay should act as some kind of insurance that we will have protection
when falling ill or disabled or unemployed however it's not the case.

Getting money out of Centerlink is like getting blood out of stone.

Does Bobby qualify for frequent flyer points at Centrelink like denizen Valkie?

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Re: The Disability Support Pension
Reply #29 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 1:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:14am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:03am:

Losing a leg doesn't prevent you from working again, it was the correct decision to deny this person the DSP.

The Disability pension is for those who are incapable of working for more than 15 hours per week in any job for the rest of their life.

The Disability pension is for those who are incapable of working
due to medical reasons.
Some of those reasons may be temporary and others could be long term.

I think it's reviewed every two years or something..... temporary sustenance is via sickness benefit which is the same as the dole except you don't have to look for work.

My concern is this ideological stance of 'government' that there are all these people out there on DSP who shouldn't be.... if that is the case - SHOW me where all these past 'rorters' got through and what you are doing about them - rather than making it nearly impossible for anyone to get on it.

As for Fat Hank - to the wall....

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