The hand wringers scared of removing children from abusive situations because of the [i]stolen generation[/i (which should be called the saved generation) are directly to blame for this.

Well done, hand wringers.


More than 20 notifications were made to child services about the Tennant Creek household where a two-year-old girl was allegedly raped, but Territory Families maintains there were "no specific concerns".

Territory Families has confirmed the department received 21 notifications about the household dating back to August 2015, but only six had been substantiated.

The child's uncle, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said eight notifications had been made to child services in the two months leading up to the incident.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-22/indigenous-groups-urge-government-to-addre...

So, Gordon, if in your opinion the Stolen Generations should be more correct called the Saved Generations, are you prepared to hand your children over, to allow them to be saved from your endless rants of racism, culturalism, Xenophobia and Islamophobia?   Of course not.   I wonder why?   

Here's a challenge to all the racists.  If you truly believe the Indigenous are getting an unfair deal that favours them, are you prepared to spend your life as an indigenous person?   We'll make your skin darker and maroon you in the middle of no where.   Lets see you walk a few miles in their shoes.   

Oh and by the way Bwian, what a pity you didn't bother to read the article. Now wipe the egg off your face.

Former chairman of the Federal Government's Indigenous Advisory Council Warren Mundine said action should have been taken once the notifications to child services were received.

Next time an Aboriginal leader stands up worried about the child, worried about a stolen generation, for God's sake, think about the child," he said.

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TERRITORY Families has defended itself, its 17 staff in Tennant Creek and the mother of a two-year-old girl who was allegedly raped last Thursday evening, saying the 24-year-old man in custody was never normally around the child.

The man, who was badly beaten prior to his arrest last Friday, is from the remote community of Epenarra and had been in town visiting the mother’s home.

Territory Families CEO Ken Davies and deputy Jeanette Kerr said despite numerous complaints about the mother’s living circumstances, it was decided the girl and her baby brother, aged one, were best with the mother even though she was under supervision for alcohol “misuse”.

Tennant Creek has been beset by rumours in the aftermath of the child’s alleged assault, including that numerous people were in the room when the offence occurred, but it is understood the man was alone with the child when he was interrupted.

Territory Families said it had received 21 notifications about disruptive activities at the mother’s address between August 2015 and December 2017 and “all were looked at”.

Some related to an adolescent child and others to the mother’s alcohol misuse but none related to the alleged attacker, who was unknown to Territory Families.

At a meeting of elders on Thursday to address the family-violence crisis in Tennant Creek, attended by acting chief minister Nicole Manison, local woman Valda Shannon said the town’s families were involved in a conspiracy of silence.

“Families won’t talk about who are the grog runners,” she said. “They won’t say who’s doing it. They want that supply chain open. We’re going around in circles here.”

Ms Kerr said the mother had three older children and the two younger ones.

Territory Families said it had opened a six-month intensive file with the mother to deal with alcohol and give her family support.


Ms Kerr said the mother had engaged with Territory Families case workers, including undertaking a rehab program and resolution disputes. In December, it was assessed there was no risk of harm to the children.



one excuse after another.... what about whats best for this child and all the other children????>...

alcoholics should not have a say in any of this...

goldkam wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 10:12am:


You didn't understand the article.

It wasn't suggesting Aboriginals don't suffer disadvantage. It's suggesting fear of removing children because of the hand wringing about the stolen generation led to a child not being removed form an abusive environment.

Cool, let them wander around the bush. Problem solved.

That's what happens when you allow special interest groups to alter public perception of issues by the use of pejorative terms such as 'racism', 'whateverophobia', 'discrimination', 'genocide' and so forth...

I blame governments for their stupidity in kneeling down and exposing their rump for that kind of garbage, first and foremost...

Secondly, I blame that dopey sheila with her 'burn the nation down', and her stupid 'we do things our way' garbage.... should be on trial for hate speech... looks like 'their way' ain't the high way in any way...

The bastard should face the full wrath of Captain Cook's Law... send him down the main street of any country town with a sign around his neck saying what he did .... I'll bet he cops heaps from the Aboriginals in prison, too .... and so should those in loco parentis over a toddler... for neglect leading to abuse....

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2018 at 6:58pm:


No thanks - I don't want the problems WITHIN those communities - the fighting, the drugs, the alcohol abuse, the violence against families, warring with Whitey, the theft and house break-ins, the vandalism..... you name it...

I wouldn't want to share my life with such a group any more than I'd want to share it  surrounded by 'houso' yobs and arseholes..... nobody in that category is worth my time or energy...

He about you go blackface and write us a book like that American journo did..... 

Gordon wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 11:20am:


Where is this notion arising from, your perceived outlook??? Its merely a narrative, when it was happening 30 years ago???

I don't deny children are being left in these situations, however so too are White Anglo Saxon Australian children. Its not a matter of blaming the Indigenous, its a matter of blaming those who class it as the Stolen Generations and the Government.

The people use that as an excuse must remove them from those situations if it what is in the 'best interests of the child' and not eroding any cultural constructs. People will always label it the Stolen Generations for the rest of time, no matter what the nature of the removal. To further this notion it doesn't take away from the ferocity and immorality that the Stolen Generations was and the lack of respect or recognition that it receives today.

I have experienced the reality of these situations firsthand, unlike some who get fed false information from media sources and family members and suddenly believe what they are being told.

1. Firstly, you need to read what I stated. I stated 'some' not 'all'. Why should those acting in good faith be any lesser than the average Australian citizen???

2. It is their own decision, however all decisions are guided by education, morals and information. If you lack this, then decisions are misguided. When you refer to 'Whitey's generosity', you are referring to the Government which is being put in the wrong places, wasting tax payers money. I have continually stated there are ones who exploit the system, it is they who should take responsibility too.

3. Avoid education.....what when they are 500km away from the closest school. Avoid education....what when they don't understand English nor the concept of Education from a 'white' perspective. This is coming from an individual with no 'real life' experience pertaining to Aboriginals. You can write theoretically about a scientific report from research or perception but the  practical element is what gives you the factual and foundational results. Your are lacking the practical element of this discussion. Once again.....some 'half caste' families even traditional Aboriginal families are exploiting the system I note this. However so to are those on the dole in Australia, however we don't persist to put forth a blanket statement of "all those on the dole are bludgers"

4. Once again I point out, some knowingly and wrongly spend money. To make informed decisions you need to have an informed understanding of ramifications, the actual decision and concept of which you are making the decision regarding. You seem to fail to read what I state. Some want to be continue their traditional lives, whilst some want to persist with entering the modern world. No I want society and politicians to interact with the Indigenous and put the money where it needs to be put, rather than spending it on where they perceive it needs to be put.

5. Controlling is the wrong word, supporting is the word I am using. So according you putting money in areas that they require is controlling. In a sense, we are not supporting them to the extent we should be at the present. So if we apply this to 'other Australians' in housing commissions....according to you we are controlling them by providing housing??? Not endless giving, there will be a point, I hope, in society where the whole Aboriginal community can be independent and are able to live their own life. With individuals demonising supporting them, this will never be achieved. It is not a matter of controlling, it is a matter of aiding them in the burden us as individuals have placed upon many of them. The burden of disease, racism, demonisation, alienation, removal from culture etc....

I am not a parent but I too pay taxes. I too balance three jobs. I too have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for university. I too have a family. It doesn't change the facts or history. It is not a matter of being a parent.

I also may not be a parent but I have experienced it first hand, to simply report what I have discussed and seen first hand does not require me to be a parent. Nor does me having an opinion. One that  I perceive as reasonable....have anything to do with me being a parent.

Gordon wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2018 at 7:01pm:


As I suspect.   Unwilling to walk even a mile in the shoes of an Indigenous person.   Tsk, tsk, a man who is unable to live up to their word.   How bloody typical, hey?   

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 11:20am:


Why should I?  I believe that the Stolen Generations were well, stolen, Graps, not saved.   They were taken from their families without their family's permission for the most part and were taken, generation after generation to suffer abuse at the hands of abusive white colonial settlers and administrators.   I am not proud of that history at all.   I am deeply ashamed of it.   So should you.   It was your society, just as much as it was my society.   You are older than most here.  You more than likely allowed it to happen, Graps.  Your voice was silent.  You thought it was "all for the best".   It wasn't.  It has created a dysfunctional society.   Well done.  Proud of your silence?   Tsk, tsk.   

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 3:22pm:


There ya go then - no need for anyone to go blackface etc.. though it is an interesting thought....

Valkie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 5:40pm:


Where is the proof for you unsubstantial claims. So according to your theory the Indigenous I have spoken to in Yulara were misleading me and providing me with false information. The countless reports by the Australian governments were in fact not credible and actually incorrect. The countless historians who have factual evidence and proof. Many were perceived abuses, not actual abuses. The British and then the Australian Government were unsure of how to deal with such a culture, it seemed foreign and unknowing to them, which led to them wrongly dealing with them. The primary reason they removed children from their homes was to assimilate them into the White culture, as they believed the Indigenous culture was incompatible with the modern world. Thus they were under the impression it would die out. No doubt some were removed from dangerous situations, however to blanket it as they were "all" dangerous situations is wrong and not factual.

So should we not address that issue...not simply attempt to guide ourselves around it. The problematic situation Australia finds themselves is the prison population. You cannot simply continue to lock individuals up, where is the line drawn? The need to identify the source and limit the temptation etc from the beginning, before the damage is done. This notion applies to all Australians, not just Indigenous.

Valkie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 5:40pm:


Bwian and other do-gooders are complicate in the rapes, bashings and Murders of these children...

He is Complicate to these crimes and should be jailed as an accessory to the Rapes, Bashings, Tortures and Murders of these children..

you are nothing but scum Bwian.. 

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 9:34pm:



Is that a core government line or a non-core government line or just a position publicly stated for political purposes?

WHAT have these governments actually done to improve the lot of Kangaroo Kaffirs respective - apart from jailing them more.... I think you'll find there somewhere is the truth of this tale.....

You hear the endless cry of 'don't blame the Aboriginals' - do we ever hear the cry of 'don't blame the blameless whites'?

Who the hell are we to blame?  Like feminists, gays, Muslims, etc, at what point do Aboriginals start taking responsibility for themselves and their own actions and stop wanting to stomp on someone else out of some misdirected spite and resentment?

I have a basic rule in life - if I don't harm you - you don't harm me.

Is that so hard to follow?

HE WHO SCREAMS RACIST, IS THE RACIST.

Cut the race accusations ffs and look at the actual problem.
If the gov had taken a bunch of white kids off parents you dogooder lot would be saying what a wonderful thing for those kids to be finally removed from the horible houshold they live in. But because it's aboriginal housholds the race card comes out...YET AGAIN!!!

As for walking in their shoes.....I grew up around abos. Theyre okay when sober, after that it is all downhill but the fighting is generally "in house". They don't just go and attack randoms (in most cases I have whitnessed). They just fight their family members..untill the next day and the process starts again.
One thing I also learnt from another young abo is if you end up fighting one don't bother punching them in the head. It does nothing but hurt your hand and you will most likley come off worse. Stomachs and knees will take one down every time.

Now the rmote ones, they choose to live out there in remote locations because...they do. They are free to move to civilisation....but they don't. So that is a cop out statement to say the least, but I have walked along side them in civilisation. Stoners are the good ones....drunks are just arseholes. 

They get better oportunity....who knows. Who cares? If they are hardworking then they will get a job, same as anyone. I have worked with heaps of them in my time....good paying jobs too.

Child services lets down all children...not just abos.

Valkie wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 2:54pm:


Matty has no problem with the child murderers, he just wants to kill the Muslims.

Not racist, Islam is not a race.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2018 at 6:58pm:


Well... elephant in the room here. If you were marooned in the middle of nowhere, of course you would not be as well off as other people. In fact, if you continued a 40,000+ year tradition of stone age cultures, of course you would not be as well off as other people.

cods wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 10:20pm:


No idea and I don't care.  I am neither "good" nor am I "Christian", Cods.   You are not my mother, so bugger off.   

Quote:


Sufficient was known by the so-called "Protector of Aborigines".  It is obvious from O.E. Neville's statements he knew what was going on.   State and Federal Government ministers knew what was going on.   Police offices and welfare officers knew what was going on.   This sort of thing cannot occur in ignorance, no matter how much you wish otherwise.  All you are doing is making excuses.  You are an apologist for Genocide, Cods.  Proud are you?   You stand up there with the Nazis and the Communists.  Tsk, tsk.   

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 11:15pm:


What a shame more whites didn't follow that rule, Graps.  Hey?   They definitely harmed Indigenous people.  They took their children away from their families.  Tsk, tsk.   They subjected them to abuse and neglect.  Tsk, tsk.   They abused them.  Tsk, tsk.   So much for their policies of "paternalism", hey?   Tsk, tsk.   

rhino wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 2:12am:


If the "intent" was "benevolent" why did so many Indigenous end up being abused?  Raped?  Swindled?  Starved?   Where was the "benevolence" in those acts?  Tsk, tsk.   The Stolen Generations were taken from their families.   An attempt at Genocide - according to the UN definition of Genocide - was undertaken and no one has been punished for it.  How bloody convenient that we have apologists standing up now, spouting bullshit about what happened.   Ask the Indigenous victims.  They know what happened.   Tsk, tsk.   

Valkie wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 2:54pm:



No "Stolen Generations" have been proven?

Tsk, tsk, that is not what the Supreme Courts of South Australia and Victoria say, Valkie.  Two cases have been proved.

Time to catch up with the 21st century old man.  Time to get with the Zeitgeist.   

cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 3:30pm:


Cods, are you prepared to walk a mile in the shoes of an indigenous person?  Are you prepared to have your children taken away from you, never to be seen again?   Are you prepared to see your family ripped apart by uncaring authorities who believe you aren't even a human being worth counting in the Census?  Mmmm?

Or are you just another cowardly racist?   

Gordon wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:


Why?  Does it make you feel ashamed, Gordon?   Still not prepared to walk that mile?  Tsk, tsk.   

Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 6:02pm:


Do you want me to note that down for the research, Doctor?

Gordon wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 6:05pm:


Still not prepared to walk that mile?  Tsk, tsk.   

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 6:35pm:


Gordon's a Canadian Yid, Brian. He's the victim here.

cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 6:40pm:


Still not prepared to walk that mile?  Tsk, tsk.   

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 5:59pm:


I think people have all agreed that having darker skin would be preferable if you lived "in the middle of nowhere". But, no matter your race, if you lived in an inhospitable environment, you would not be as well off as those who live in an urban environment.

I think I was making a non-racist argument, throwing the context of your hypothetical back in your face. I have lived/worked/studied around people of various races. Many of them have either had easier or more difficult upbringing. Despite that, they managed to integrate into a white majority society without complaint. Most of them even thrive.

Gordon wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 6:56pm:


Because you said you're a Jew, silly.

You laugh at the Saturday Walkers because you're a non-religious Jew, you forgetful old thing.

Why do I have to keep reminding you people? Tsk tsk tsk. 

Valkie wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 7:36pm:



Different case, Valkie.  There were two separate cases which were proven true.  Bruce Trevorrow (SA) and  Neville Austin (Victoria).

Time to catch up with the 21st century old man.  If you ever can, you racist.   

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 12:04am:


I think I have just finished telling you that I have walked that mile. Looks like "Brian Ross" is just another robot. Exterminate! Exterminate! Probably time to send him an email to see if he responds to a confirmation message.

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So

We have two who may??? be possibly, almost, perhaps taken from their parents.

What were the reasons, were they being raped, abused, sick, underfed?
What were the real reasons for removal?

I think if we looked closely you would find that they were taken or a truly altruistic reason, to protect the children.


And, as I stated earlier, 2 does not make a generation..

What about the two found to be liars?

How many others are liars..........most Ill bet.

Just a scam, just like the secret women's business,
which you seem to be conveniently forgetting to respond to.

And while we are at it.
About this sacred land bull shite.
Our abbos are the only people on the planet who consider a dump (where they have thrown refuse) as sacred land.
Is it all about money????
Perhaps because they have never made anything permanent enough to be considered histrionically important?
It seems any time they find these places is when something is going on that they see an opportunity for money.

Lazy, bludgers and parasites.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 12:02pm:


You already said you wouldn't go blackface - why should anyone else then at your demand?

You already Blackface, Bro?  Own up..... nothing to be ashamed of there.......

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 1:47pm:


No need for me to go blackface.  I accept that Black Fellas are worse off than White Fellas.   I accept that the Stolen Generations happened.  I am ashamed of that.  Unlike many here, Graps.  You one of those racists?  Starting to look that way.   You deny that Black Fellas are worse than White Fellas?  You deny the Stolen Generations?   Tsk, tsk.   

You're a complete pill Bwian.

Most indigenous Australians are white anyway.

Lazy, corrupt and greedy white boongs that are too lazy to get off their collective asses and do a days work.

Bwyannnnnnnnn  would prefer to see children abused.

Then to admit he is an idiooot

Don't worry bwyannnnnnnnn, we all know you are an idiooot.

Valkie wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 5:35pm:


Except you, like most racists will never accept them as white, now will you, Valkie?  A good ol' "lick o' the tar brush" is too much for you.

You prepared to let your kids marry an Indigenous person, even if they claim to be white?

Nope.  Didn't think so.   Racist.   Tsk, tsk.   

Valkie wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 5:35pm:


Its not about their skin colour, it is about showing them a level of respect......not agreeance or acceptance just respect.

goldkam wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:


Again
Respect is earned by action and ability.

When they start contributing rather than being PARASITES.

I may begin to show them respect

Until then, dirt under my feet

Blanketing a statement across a whole culture is not factual and not reasonable.


Like they love their land, they have a deep cultural attachment to land.
They have suffered from colonisation

goldkam wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:01pm:


You know nothing of me.
But a little gem for you to ponder.

I have worked for 45 years, paying massive tax, because of my income over $600,000.00 in tax over the last 17 years alone.
I own everything I have, paid for by working and saving.
I have the perfect wife who I love dearly.
I have three wonderful children who I also love dearly
I volunteer several times a month for a very worthwhile organisation.
I give aid when people need it and openly refuse it when they don't.
I have never been in gaol, or even arrested.
I do not drink, smoke or take drugs.

Everything I have I have worked for and paid in full.
I hate PARASITES,
I hate criminals riminals who think they have some right to steal someone's hard earned property.
I hate people who think that they have it tough and that everyone owe them a living.
You succeed by hard work and perseverance.

I had no silver spoon, i struggled for everything and went without to succeed.
No special Abbo free education for me, I paid all the way.

I expect nothing other than to be left alone and not to have to fund PARASITES.

Millions have done what I have done, we get nothing but bleating from the PARASITES who want, but do not work.

Respect is earned.
I don't expect respect, because PARASITES don't respect themselves, so they will never respect me.

goldkam wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:


Matty doesn't respect himself, Goldkam, so it's hard for him to respect others.

Discuss matters by all means, Graps.  Just be respectful in your language.  No resorting to insulting names or words.   Treat them as your equals and I will be quite willing to take part.  Problem is racists (and fools) like to troll and intimidate with their use and misuse of language, so I treat them with the contempt they deserve.   When they stop, I will stop.  Simples, really.   Until then, it is more of the, "Oh, dearie, dearie, me" and the, "tsk, tsk."   Nothing gets through to them so I may as well amuse myself.   Serious discussion is treated seriously.