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Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:43pm
 
Financial Sector Legislation Amendment (Crisis Resolution Powers and Other Measures) Bill 2017 snuck through, on 14 February 2018, with hardly any pollies around.

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Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:48pm
 
Who passed this ?
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Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 3:17pm
 
Sneaky legislation like that usually originates from the RBA, draft it up and the politicians finish their dirty work

Bailouts are normal now. The Soviet Union was designed around them. But there is no Soviet Union no more

Always follow your own money. Read banks Annual Reports and Financial Statement to compare their debt to asset ratio. The less debt, the safer they are (but knowing they can get bailouts, they might get reckless and greedy)

Too much work? there's lots more you can do, like checking the number of bankruptcies each year. Home loan defaults. Debt increases etc etc. If the picture is looking worse and worse, get ready to take action
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Reply #3 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 3:26pm
 
Excerpt from Explanatory memorandum -
"Schedules 1 to 7 to the Financial Sector Legislation Amendment (Crisis Resolution Powers and Other Measures) Bill 2017 (the Bill) makes amendments to the Banking Act 1959, Insurance Act 1973, Life Insurance Act 1995, Australian Prudential Regulation Authority Act 1998, Payment Systems and Netting Act 1998, Financial Sector (Business Transfer and Group Restructure) Act 1999, Corporations Act 2001 and the Income Tax Assessment 1997.

The Bill strengthens the powers of the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority (APRA) to facilitate the orderly resolution of an authorised deposit-taking institution (ADI) or insurer so as to protect the interests of depositors and policyholders, and to protect the stability of the financial system.

The Bill also ensures that APRA has powers to set appropriate prudential requirements and take action in relation to resolution planning so that ADIs and insurers are better prepared for resolution."

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/ems/r5989_ems_d5c61274-...

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Reply #4 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 3:53pm
 
"'Neill, Sen Deb ALP Senator O'NEILL ( New South Wales ) ( 11:58 ): I rise to speak in support of the Financial Sector Legislation Amendment (Crisis Resolution Powers and Other "

"Bowen, Chris, MP McMahon ALP Mr BOWEN ( McMahon ) ( 17:22 ): The Labor Party will support this legislation through the House and through the other house"

"No proposed amendments have been circulated."

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/summary/summary.w3p;query=BillId_Phra...
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Reply #5 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 3:59pm
 
It's to protect "the interests of depositors" ... not their money

There's only one person you can trust to protect your money, and that's yourself
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Reply #6 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:02pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 3:59pm:
It's to protect "the interests of depositors" ... not their money

There's only one person you can trust to protect your money, and that's yourself


So you think somehow the "interests of the depositors" is not their money? What other interest in a bank does a depositor have?
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Reply #7 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:09pm
 
Trust in banks, you know, that warm feeling that comes over you just as you make a deposit
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Reply #8 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:48pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 3:26pm:
Excerpt from Explanatory memorandum -
"Schedules 1 to 7 to the Financial Sector Legislation Amendment (Crisis Resolution Powers and Other Measures) Bill 2017 (the Bill) makes amendments to the Banking Act 1959, Insurance Act 1973, Life Insurance Act 1995, Australian Prudential Regulation Authority Act 1998, Payment Systems and Netting Act 1998, Financial Sector (Business Transfer and Group Restructure) Act 1999, Corporations Act 2001 and the Income Tax Assessment 1997.

The Bill strengthens the powers of the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority (APRA) to facilitate the orderly resolution of an authorised deposit-taking institution (ADI) or insurer so as to protect the interests of depositors and policyholders, and to protect the stability of the financial system.

The Bill also ensures that APRA has powers to set appropriate prudential requirements and take action in relation to resolution planning so that ADIs and insurers are better prepared for resolution."

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/ems/r5989_ems_d5c61274-...

I suggest you read it.



Or is it to protect their reckless lending practices so they can keep their ponzi lending scams going so that property prices don't collapse ? Because as we all know property has never crashed in Australia because we have a well regulated banking system Cheesy LOL
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Reply #9 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:57pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Or is it to protect their reckless lending practices so they can keep their ponzi lending scams going so that property prices don't collapse ?



You have proof?

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Because as we all know property has never crashed in Australia because we have a well regulated banking system



And they have always recovered. Some ponzi scheme. Wink
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Reply #10 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:52pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 3:53pm:
"'Neill, Sen Deb ALP Senator O'NEILL ( New South Wales ) ( 11:58 ): I rise to speak in support of the Financial Sector Legislation Amendment (Crisis Resolution Powers and Other "

"Bowen, Chris, MP McMahon ALP Mr BOWEN ( McMahon ) ( 17:22 ): The Labor Party will support this legislation through the House and through the other house"

"No proposed amendments have been circulated."

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/summary/summary.w3p;query=BillId_Phra...

Amendments were going to be circulated, especially by One Nation, but the bill was quickly passed (without the Senate having a quorum) while the amendments were still under review.
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Reply #11 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:59pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:57pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Or is it to protect their reckless lending practices so they can keep their ponzi lending scams going so that property prices don't collapse ?

You have proof?

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Because as we all know property has never crashed in Australia because we have a well regulated banking system

And they have always recovered. Some ponzi scheme. Wink


Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.  Wink
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Reply #12 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 8:34pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
Amendments were going to be circulated, especially by One Nation, but the bill was quickly passed (without the Senate having a quorum) while the amendments were still under review.



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Reply #13 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 8:41pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.  Wink



Yes. Based on your past performance I don't expect much.
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Reply #14 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:06pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:57pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Or is it to protect their reckless lending practices so they can keep their ponzi lending scams going so that property prices don't collapse ?



You have proof?

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Because as we all know property has never crashed in Australia because we have a well regulated banking system



And they have always recovered. Some ponzi scheme. Wink


Just look at their loan books and what percentages are in property Wink You didn't think these four pillars of trash banking were ever going to support productive industries like the banking sector does in germany ? These dummies wouldn't know what real productive industry was Sad
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Reply #15 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:20pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:06pm:
Just look at their loan books and what percentages are in property



So no; you don't have proof.

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Reply #17 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 12:46am
 
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Government sneaks through APRA ‘bail-in’ law, but fuels anti-bank revolt

Under siege from erupting public opposition, the Turnbull government whisked its APRA crisis resolution bill through the Senate and into law on 14 February.

Of Australia’s 76 senators, only seven were present when the government rushed the bill to a vote, which passed “on the voices”, with no opposition from the Labor or Greens senators present.

The process was hurried to ensure that senators who planned to move an amendment, to stipulate that the bill’s “bail-in” provisions must not apply to bank deposits, did not have the chance, and weren’t even present when it passed


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Reply #18 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 1:24am
 
Change.org

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Dirty trick

The biggest scandal about the bill’s rushed passage, is the dirty trick the government pulled at the last moment to ensure it couldn’t be amended to explicitly protect deposits.

A CEC delegation was in Parliament House this week meeting politicians from all parties, to expose the true nature of the bill. After having it explained to them, Pauline Hanson’s One Nation party proposed an amendment to the bill to clarify that it wouldn’t include deposits, which was the government’s claim after all.

In a meeting with the government on the morning of the Senate debate, One Nation notified government and Treasury representatives that they intended to move the amendment.

The government offered to have their legal experts look at the wording of the amendment.

However, it was while One Nation was waiting to hear back from the government’s legal experts that the bill was rushed through without their knowledge.

Not only did One Nation not get to move their amendment, no One Nation senator was yet present in the chamber!


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Reply #19 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:50am
 
When a bank owes you money you're an unsecured creditor.

That's not a good position when they are offering less than 2.5% interest per annum on your money.

When they lend to you as unsecured on a credit card you pay 20% interest.
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lee wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
Bam wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.  Wink



Yes. Based on your past performance I don't expect much.

Personal attacks now? Grow up , troll.
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Reply #21 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 8:56am
 
So the bank boards etc can run the business into the ground and rely on your money to bail them out while they slip out the back door with a few billions?

The Australian taxpayer is now in the business of bailing out flawed and failed businesses?  Better to restore the central people's bank to keep them honest.... Hawke did us no favours there....

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Reply #22 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 9:07am
 
lee wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:20pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:06pm:
Just look at their loan books and what percentages are in property



So no; you don't have proof.



Check their loan books. Nearly 70% is in property deals.

Also what are their cash reserves ? They have 1% cash reserves whilst they recklessly lend out other peoples money. No wonder they can get away doing this with a government guarantee to protect them Sad
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Reply #23 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 9:12am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 8:56am:
So the bank boards etc can run the business into the ground and rely on your money to bail them out while they slip out the back door with a few billions?

The Australian taxpayer is now in the business of bailing out flawed and failed businesses?  Better to restore the central people's bank to keep them honest.... Hawke did us no favours there....

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yep we are all suckers to allow this to happen. No wonder 5 of the top 20 companies in australia are banks Sad
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Reply #24 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 10:12am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 9:07am:
lee wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:20pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:06pm:
Just look at their loan books and what percentages are in property



So no; you don't have proof.



Check their loan books. Nearly 70% is in property deals.

Also what are their cash reserves ? They have 1% cash reserves whilst they recklessly lend out other peoples money. No wonder they can get away doing this with a government guarantee to protect them Sad

And the fools wonder why the banks didn't want mortgage lending looked at when they wrote the terms of reference for the alleged Royal Commission.
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Reply #25 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 10:49am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 9:12am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 8:56am:
So the bank boards etc can run the business into the ground and rely on your money to bail them out while they slip out the back door with a few billions?

The Australian taxpayer is now in the business of bailing out flawed and failed businesses?  Better to restore the central people's bank to keep them honest.... Hawke did us no favours there....

Gordon Gecko lives!


yep we are all suckers to allow this to happen. No wonder 5 of the top 20 companies in australia are banks Sad



Hi Nail,
how does it feel to be an unsecured creditor?
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Reply #26 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 11:05am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 6:58am:
lee wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
Bam wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.  Wink



Yes. Based on your past performance I don't expect much.

Personal attacks now? Grow up , troll.

That wasn't personal. If I had wanted to be personal I could have said much worse.


Just try, occasionally even, to provide links to some of your assertions.
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Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 9:07am:
They have 1% cash reserves



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Reply #28 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 1:04pm
 
The only thing that can be done now is to negotiate with your bank to see if you can be exempted from deposit confiscation in times of financial crisis, try to get a written agreement between just you and your bank, threatening them that you'll withdraw all your money and give them no more of your business - ever

Another way is to take out insurance on your deposits, but ensure that the premiums are less than the interest earned on your short term investments or whatever

We can see now what stinking bastards the Libs and Labs are after the mongrel trick they played on One Nation who were only trying to protect the banking public, but ON was a bit naive to remain outside the Senate chamber waiting for an answer from the so called "legal experts", the Libs and Labs have always been bastards and ON has not fully realised that yet

Which is the better way to protect the public, Govt confiscation of your deposits, or allowing you to keep them?

Keeping them means you can keep spending in a time of crisis and keep businesses going
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Reply #29 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 3:52pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
The only thing that can be done now is to negotiate with your bank to see if you can be exempted from deposit confiscation in times of financial crisis, try to get a written agreement between just you and your bank, threatening them that you'll withdraw all your money and give them no more of your business - ever

Another way is to take out insurance on your deposits, but ensure that the premiums are less than the interest earned on your short term investments or whatever

We can see now what stinking bastards the Libs and Labs are after the mongrel trick they played on One Nation who were only trying to protect the banking public, but ON was a bit naive to remain outside the Senate chamber waiting for an answer from the so called "legal experts", the Libs and Labs have always been bastards and ON has not fully realised that yet

Which is the better way to protect the public, Govt confiscation of your deposits, or allowing you to keep them?

Keeping them means you can keep spending in a time of crisis and keep businesses going



take out insurance on your deposits?

Australian Super withdrew their capital guaranteed option
so now all my super is in the bank &
I'm an unsecured creditor.
If the banks fail I lose everything.

P.S.
don't tell me to put it in shares -
I reckon the stock market is due for a fall and so is housing.
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Reply #30 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 3:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
The only thing that can be done now is to negotiate with your bank to see if you can be exempted from deposit confiscation in times of financial crisis, try to get a written agreement between just you and your bank, threatening them that you'll withdraw all your money and give them no more of your business - ever

Another way is to take out insurance on your deposits, but ensure that the premiums are less than the interest earned on your short term investments or whatever

We can see now what stinking bastards the Libs and Labs are after the mongrel trick they played on One Nation who were only trying to protect the banking public, but ON was a bit naive to remain outside the Senate chamber waiting for an answer from the so called "legal experts", the Libs and Labs have always been bastards and ON has not fully realised that yet

Which is the better way to protect the public, Govt confiscation of your deposits, or allowing you to keep them?

Keeping them means you can keep spending in a time of crisis and keep businesses going



take out insurance on your deposits?

Australian Super withdrew their capital guaranteed option
so now all my super is in the bank &
I'm an unsecured creditor.
If the banks fail I lose everything.

P.S.
don't tell me to put it in shares -
I reckon the stock market is due for a fall and so is housing.


and yet the c..ts won't let you invest in physical precious metals. You have to buy their promissory notes Sad
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Reply #31 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:01pm
 
Hi Nail,
a financial expert was on the radio yesterday
he said stocks will fall & so will housing by as much as 40% and it could bring the banks down with them.

Is our super money safe?


The expert said that it was the Federal Reserve that stepped in to stop the crash 2 weeks ago -
without that it would be here already.
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Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Hi Nail,
a financial expert was on the radio yesterday
he said stocks will fall & so will housing by as much as 40% and it could bring the banks down with them.

Is our super money safe?


The expert said that it was the Federal Reserve that stepped in to stop the crash 2 weeks ago -
without that it would be here already.


we won't see a penny of it. Most of it will stolen by legalized theft Sad
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Reply #33 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:14pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Hi Nail,
a financial expert was on the radio yesterday
he said stocks will fall & so will housing by as much as 40% and it could bring the banks down with them.

Is our super money safe?


The expert said that it was the Federal Reserve that stepped in to stop the crash 2 weeks ago -
without that it would be here already.


we won't see a penny of it. Most of it will stolen by legalized theft Sad



Even after a lifetime of being taken by friends and enemies alike -
and then just when you feel you have your possessions sure,
your health begins to fade -

that is of course the ultimate theft.
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lee wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 11:13am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 9:07am:
They have 1% cash reserves



Got a reference for that?


It was quoted in a financial article a few years ago. Try and refute it. These banks are running on vapours and are relying on a growth in immigration and hence bank fodder to keep their ponzi scheme running !! Little wonder the pollies won't talk about limiting immigration because it is all part of their fake economy Sad
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Sounds like the Lefties have been done like a dinner. Mal is as cunning as a s*** h**** rat.
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Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Hi Nail,
a financial expert was on the radio yesterday
he said stocks will fall & so will housing by as much as 40% and it could bring the banks down with them.

Is our super money safe?


The expert said that it was the Federal Reserve that stepped in to stop the crash 2 weeks ago -
without that it would be here already.


we won't see a penny of it. Most of it will stolen by legalized theft Sad

If that were to happen, banking executives would be physically dragged out into the street to be shot. There's no way that the people would roll over meekly and allow it to occur without someone getting very, VERY angry.

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juliar wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:19pm:
Sounds like the Lefties have been done like a dinner. Mal is as cunning as a s*** h**** rat.


and just like a rat, mal eats sh.t too which explains his sh.t eating grin.
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Reply #38 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:03pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Hi Nail,
a financial expert was on the radio yesterday
he said stocks will fall & so will housing by as much as 40% and it could bring the banks down with them.

Is our super money safe?


The expert said that it was the Federal Reserve that stepped in to stop the crash 2 weeks ago -
without that it would be here already.


we won't see a penny of it. Most of it will stolen by legalized theft Sad

If that were to happen, banking executives would be physically dragged out into the street to be shot. There's no way that the people would roll over meekly and allow it to occur without someone getting very, VERY angry.





It wouldn't get their money back.

Look at what happened in Cyprus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Cypriot_financial_crisis
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Reply #39 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 11:42pm
 
Scroll halfway down and read this ....

Government guarantee on deposits

https://www.moneysmart.gov.au/managing-your-money/banking

Tomorrow I'll read the legislation right through and see if the $250k guarantee still holds
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Reply #40 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 2:15am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Hi Nail,
a financial expert was on the radio yesterday
he said stocks will fall & so will housing by as much as 40% and it could bring the banks down with them.

Is our super money safe?


The expert said that it was the Federal Reserve that stepped in to stop the crash 2 weeks ago -
without that it would be here already.


we won't see a penny of it. Most of it will stolen by legalized theft Sad

If that were to happen, banking executives would be physically dragged out into the street to be shot. There's no way that the people would roll over meekly and allow it to occur without someone getting very, VERY angry.



Really? Remember that only criminals and governments own guns nowadays.

Hardly even saw a whimper from the mum and dad losers after the GFC in a country where they are
still allowed to possess firearms.
The mum and dad public had to foot the bill whilst only a few criminal bankers got dragged over the coals for showmanship.

If the poo does hit the fan then it might be a wake-up call that we the public really are the government and we the public are responsible for who we allow to make decisions on our part.

They are public servants. No they're not, they're our controllers.

Of course they do it for love, because look at the measly salary they earn compared to what is earned in the private sector.
But hang on, look at the frikin' pension that they vote for themselves compared to anybody else on the planet! Power hungry thieves is all. If they really gave a poo about the mum's and dad's out there, they would serve honestly and accept the same pension that they voted for everybody else.
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BRING ON THE REVOLUTION

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Reply #42 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 9:43am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 11:42pm:
Scroll halfway down and read this ....

Government guarantee on deposits

https://www.moneysmart.gov.au/managing-your-money/banking

Tomorrow I'll read the legislation right through and see if the $250k guarantee still holds


I thought it had been increased to a million. What a scam. These banks operate like it's the wild west.
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Reply #43 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 10:39am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 9:43am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 11:42pm:
Scroll halfway down and read this ....

Government guarantee on deposits

https://www.moneysmart.gov.au/managing-your-money/banking

Tomorrow I'll read the legislation right through and see if the $250k guarantee still holds


I thought it had been increased to a million. What a scam. These banks operate like it's the wild west.



There is over $2 trillion in super and a lot of it is in the Banks.

They've been having a lovely time with our money.
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Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 4:32am:
BRING ON THE REVOLUTION

ILL BUILD THE GUILLOTINES.

It's quicker and cheaper to hang them. All that's needed is some wood (or even a tree) and some good strong rope.

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Reply #45 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 10:58am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:03pm:
Bam wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Hi Nail,
a financial expert was on the radio yesterday
he said stocks will fall & so will housing by as much as 40% and it could bring the banks down with them.

Is our super money safe?


The expert said that it was the Federal Reserve that stepped in to stop the crash 2 weeks ago -
without that it would be here already.


we won't see a penny of it. Most of it will stolen by legalized theft Sad

If that were to happen, banking executives would be physically dragged out into the street to be shot. There's no way that the people would roll over meekly and allow it to occur without someone getting very, VERY angry.

It wouldn't get their money back.

Look at what happened in Cyprus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Cypriot_financial_crisis

It wouldn't get the money back, but if that were to happen the loss of control would be so great that the government would be close to collapse. If the government lost control, money would become meaningless. Cashless transactions would be the first to go, followed very shortly after by cash.

The Australian dollar has no intrinsic value because it's a fiat currency. The Australian dollar only has value because the government says it does. If the government breaks down, the currency collapses. Once that happens, it doesn't matter that it's been stolen.

Fortunately, such a financial apocalypse is unlikely to happen. Unfortunately, the chances of its happening are not zero.
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Reply #46 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 11:31am
 
This legislation sounded very bad. 

For example, if you have 500,000 dollars in home loan, and 500,000 dollars in an offset account.   One would figure that the home loan is basically paid off right.  No... with this legislation.  In time of crisis, the savings on the offset account would disappear.  BUT, you are still liable for 500 000 in loan tied to your home.  If you cant make the loan amount, then your house will be sold to pay for the loan. 

Nasty nasty.

And there is more to come.  Soon, we will move to a cashless society - which is government's current favourite phrase of the month to stamp out so called 'black economy".  But in reality, its just more 'bail out' money for the banks.
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Reply #47 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 12:14pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 10:45am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 4:32am:
BRING ON THE REVOLUTION

ILL BUILD THE GUILLOTINES.

It's quicker and cheaper to hang them. All that's needed is some wood (or even a tree) and some good strong rope.





Even old rope would do.
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Reply #48 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 12:14pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 11:31am:
This legislation sounded very bad. 

For example, if you have 500,000 dollars in home loan, and 500,000 dollars in an offset account.   One would figure that the home loan is basically paid off right.  No... with this legislation.  In time of crisis, the savings on the offset account would disappear.  BUT, you are still liable for 500 000 in loan tied to your home.  If you cant make the loan amount, then your house will be sold to pay for the loan. 

Nasty nasty.

And there is more to come.  Soon, we will move to a cashless society - which is government's current favourite phrase of the month to stamp out so called 'black economy".  But in reality, its just more 'bail out' money for the banks. 



Then don't leave much in your offset account.
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Reply #49 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 12:36pm
 
Well assuming the money holds it's value, we're safe - for now

The Government can change things in the blink of an eye during a crisis. It appears that the Govt guarantee to $250,000 will still apply if the banks meltdown. But it doesn't say that in the legislation, it says: "which is currently set at $250,000 per account"

During a meltdown, what's stopping the Govt from lowering the cap of $250k to something lower?

The One Nation proposed amendment could only have protected deposits above the guaranteed $250k and to make future Governments fully disclose publicly any changes without deceit and months ahead of those changes ... not in the sneaky way the Govt usually handle these money matters


Read this in the legislation about the $250k guarantee ...

Financial Claims Scheme (page 18)
1.47
The FCS provides an important backstop within Australia’s
resolution regime.
It protects retail depositors and policyholders by
providing prompt access to their funds which, in turn, contributes to
financial stability, by limiting the propensity for a destabilising ‘run’ on
deposits in the case of ADIs (Authorised Deposit-taking Institutions), and more generally by promoting confidence in the financial system.

1.48

The FCS for ADIs provides depositors with a guarantee of their deposits up to a pre
- determined cap, which is currently set at $250,000 per
account-holder, per ADI.


In the case of general insurers, the FCS
provides compensation for most claims up to $5,000 against a failed
general insurer, with claims above $5,000 also covered for eligible
policyholders and certain third parties.


http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/ems/r5989_ems_d5c61274-...



A list of Accounts that come under the Govt $250k guarantee

Government guarantee on deposits

The types of accounts covered by the guarantee are: savings accounts; call accounts; term deposits; current accounts; cheque accounts; debit card accounts; transaction accounts; personal basic accounts; cash management accounts; farm management deposits; pensioner deeming accounts; mortgage offset accounts, either 100 per cent or partial offset that are separate deposit accounts; trustee accounts; and retirement savings accounts.


https://www.moneysmart.gov.au/managing-your-money/banking


So if you have more than $250k deposited, be prepared ... and watch for any future tricks that decrease the $250k guarantee cap
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Reply #50 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 2:37pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 12:14pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 11:31am:
This legislation sounded very bad. 

For example, if you have 500,000 dollars in home loan, and 500,000 dollars in an offset account.   One would figure that the home loan is basically paid off right.  No... with this legislation.  In time of crisis, the savings on the offset account would disappear.  BUT, you are still liable for 500 000 in loan tied to your home.  If you cant make the loan amount, then your house will be sold to pay for the loan. 

Nasty nasty.

And there is more to come.  Soon, we will move to a cashless society - which is government's current favourite phrase of the month to stamp out so called 'black economy".  But in reality, its just more 'bail out' money for the banks. 



Then don't leave much in your offset account.


Most saving's account nowadays double up as an offset account  Sad
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Reply #51 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 2:50pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 2:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 12:14pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 11:31am:
This legislation sounded very bad. 

For example, if you have 500,000 dollars in home loan, and 500,000 dollars in an offset account.   One would figure that the home loan is basically paid off right.  No... with this legislation.  In time of crisis, the savings on the offset account would disappear.  BUT, you are still liable for 500 000 in loan tied to your home.  If you cant make the loan amount, then your house will be sold to pay for the loan. 

Nasty nasty.

And there is more to come.  Soon, we will move to a cashless society - which is government's current favourite phrase of the month to stamp out so called 'black economy".  But in reality, its just more 'bail out' money for the banks. 



Then don't leave much in your offset account.


Most saving's account nowadays double up as an offset account  Sad



Mine does so I move the money out as quick as I get it into my mortgage only leaving enough
for my estimated bills.
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Reply #52 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 3:21pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 11:31am:
And there is more to come.  Soon, we will move to a cashless society - which is government's current favourite phrase of the month to stamp out so called 'black economy".  But in reality, its just more 'bail out' money for the banks.



I think brand new banknotes are trackable - nano chips? See the new notes here

https://banknotes.rba.gov.au/banknote-features/#-new-fifty

Read this ... July 17

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/cash-crackdown-boss-fl...
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Reply #53 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 7:07pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:15pm:
lee wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 11:13am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 9:07am:
They have 1% cash reserves


Got a reference for that?


It was quoted in a financial article a few years ago. Try and refute it. These banks are running on vapours and are relying on a growth in immigration and hence bank fodder to keep their ponzi scheme running !! Little wonder the pollies won't talk about limiting immigration because it is all part of their fake economy Sad


So no reference.

Perhaps you meant this -

"Banking regulation in Australia requires banks to hold a minimum of 11% cash against loans they write, so as crypto-investors move their savings out of the banking system, those banks loose their ability to legally write new loans, or worse, fall into non-compliance with their reserve obligations."

"APRA, the body responsible for setting the cash reserve limits, increased the reserve limit shortly after the GFC, as Australians fearful for their funds placed heavy pressure on cash withdrawals, forcing the Australian Federal Reserve to print billions in additional cash to prevent widespread customer panic. APRA added 1% to the cash reserve minimum to help ensure the banks survive the next rush."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7n5etp/australian_bank_cashreserve_req...
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