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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: What is a Conservative? Reply #75 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 12:59pm 7.8 million people voted 'yes'. 4.9 million people voted 'no'. 3.2 million people did not vote. I realize that seems conclusive; still 49% is not a majority.
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Reply #76 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 1:07pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 12:59pm:

7.8 million people voted 'yes'. 4.9 million people voted 'no'. 3.2 million people did not vote. I realize that seems conclusive; still 49% is not a majority.

It wasn't a vote. It was a pointless, unnecessary survey, what do you expect?

Mind you, imagine if we got rid of mandatory voting. We'd be able to come up with this argument all the time.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: What is a Conservative? Reply #77 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 1:16pm I think the situation is entirely different. The Westminister system requires a side of government 'winning' for the purpose of mandating legislation. The SSM vote is a simple 'yes' or 'no' question.
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Reply #78 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 3:59pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 1:16pm:

I think the situation is entirely different. The Westminister system requires a side of government 'winning' for the purpose of mandating legislation. The SSM vote is a simple 'yes' or 'no' question.

Not on this issue. It was a conscience vote. It wasn't decided on party lines.

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Sam Morris Junior Member Offline Posts: 52	Re: What is a Conservative? Reply #79 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 5:16pm ....
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: What is a Conservative? Reply #80 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 5:24pm Sam Morris wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 5:16pm: .... Really? Why do you bother, Agnes?
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Reply #81 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 5:46pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 3:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 1:16pm:

I think the situation is entirely different. The Westminister system requires a side of government 'winning' for the purpose of mandating legislation. The SSM vote is a simple 'yes' or 'no' question.

Not on this issue. It was a conscience vote. It wasn't decided on party lines.

One's entitled to be suspiciious of any 'first past the post' poll that doesn't hit 50%.

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Reply #82 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 8:05pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 5:46pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 3:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 1:16pm:

I think the situation is entirely different. The Westminister system requires a side of government 'winning' for the purpose of mandating legislation. The SSM vote is a simple 'yes' or 'no' question.

Not on this issue. It was a conscience vote. It wasn't decided on party lines.

One's entitled to be suspiciious of any 'first past the post' poll that doesn't hit 50%.

Strange. You never said this about the erection of Donald J Trump.

Good of you to bring this up, Homo. I'd never considered that.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: What is a Conservative? Reply #83 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 8:49pm The college electoral system used by the Seppo's is quite different, innit?
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Reply #84 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 8:50pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 7:34am:

Something you add to your pickles to keep it in a jar?

A Greek waiter?

The length of time a con man serves in prison?

Same sex couples don't 'have' children - they inherit them or buy them.... how many of these lesbian couples are receiving payment from the fathers of the children - who are cut out of the loop? What's 'independent' and 'equal' about that? Two sheilas with kids could live without working and would certainly prosper far more than the former sperm donors.

Another 'unintended' consequence? No wonder there's a war on in this nation.

I actually disagree with that statement. A gay man can donate his sperm and 'have' a child through surrogacy, or in-vitro fertilisation. Same as a lesbian woman can donate her eggs to be fertilised or pass through surrogacy, thus they too can have children. This process is just frowned upon by some as an unnatural process or as not having a place in our society.

I pose this point to you......if a heterosexual couple are unable to conceive a child and have to go through surrogacy. Thus the father donates his sperm and passes it on to a surrogate mother. Does this then mean that they, as a heterosexual couple, cannot have children??? They are still conceiving a child that has some genetical material of their own, through an alternative method.

I am unsure of that happening within Australian society, I am sure it does however I have never read about. Have you got a news article or statistics on those happenings?

In that case their is nothing "equal" or "independent" regarding that. However that is not a justification to completely ban or go against same sex marriage. If a father in a heterosexual relationship leaves his wife alone with two children, it does not pose the question that heterosexual marriage should not continue to be allowed or demonised in any way.

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92247 Gender:	Re: What is a Conservative? Reply #85 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 8:54pm Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 8:49pm: The college electoral system used by the Seppo's is quite different, innit? Does this inscrutable comment indicate consent? Consent means you like it, Homo.
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Reply #86 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 8:56pm

goldkam wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 7:34am:

Something you add to your pickles to keep it in a jar?

A Greek waiter?

The length of time a con man serves in prison?

Same sex couples don't 'have' children - they inherit them or buy them.... how many of these lesbian couples are receiving payment from the fathers of the children - who are cut out of the loop? What's 'independent' and 'equal' about that? Two sheilas with kids could live without working and would certainly prosper far more than the former sperm donors.

Another 'unintended' consequence? No wonder there's a war on in this nation.

I actually disagree with that statement. A gay man can donate his sperm and 'have' a child through surrogacy, or in-vitro fertilisation. Same as a lesbian woman can donate her eggs to be fertilised or pass through surrogacy, thus they too can have children. This process is just frowned upon by some as an unnatural process or as not having a place in our society.

I pose this point to you......if a heterosexual couple are unable to conceive a child and have to go through surrogacy. Thus the father donates his sperm and passes it on to a surrogate mother. Does this then mean that they, as a heterosexual couple, cannot have children??? They are still conceiving a child that has some genetical material of their own, through an alternative method.

I am unsure of that happening within Australian society, I am sure it does however I have never read about. Have you got a news article or statistics on those happenings?

In that case their is nothing "equal" or "independent" regarding that. However that is not a justification to completely ban or go against same sex marriage. If a father in a heterosexual relationship leaves his wife alone with two children, it does not pose the question that heterosexual marriage should not continue to be allowed or demonised in any way.

Nonsense. Only married couples can raise families, as every schoolboy - as Augie - knows.

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Reply #87 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 9:02pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 8:49pm:

The college electoral system used by the Seppo's is quite different, innit?

Does this inscrutable comment indicate consent?

Consent means you like it, Homo.

The electoral college system doesn't seem fair to be, but it's the same rules for the Dems as the GOP...so yeah.

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Reply #88 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 9:03pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 9:02pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 8:49pm:

The college electoral system used by the Seppo's is quite different, innit?

Does this inscrutable comment indicate consent?

Consent means you like it, Homo.

The electoral college system doesn't seem fair to be, but it's the same rules for the Dems as the GOP...so yeah.

Are you deliberately trying to say nothing?

Oh Homo, I think you've got it.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: What is a Conservative? Reply #89 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 9:19pm You're asking me about the American college system. I was discussing the SSM plebiscite. Let's setlle at 75, say, public defecation in Kolkata.
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