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Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:29am
 
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/nsw-police-commissioner-mick-fuller-s...

So how do you not see a full Booze Bus set up ?

The driver has since been charged with dangerous driving causing grievous bodily harm, causing bodily harm by misconduct in charge of a motor vehicle, negligent driving occasioning grievous bodily harm and using a mobile phone when not permitted.

At least they threw the book at him.
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Reply #1 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:33am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:29am:


He was on his phone.

Increase the fines for mobile phone use in a car to $2,000 and 6 demerit points (minimum).

Plus, confiscation and destruction of phone.

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Reply #2 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am
 
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...
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Reply #3 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am
 
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.

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Reply #4 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 12:00pm
 
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....



There has been some thought to doing something like that but it would be very difficult to legislate something like that and it would take a good 10 to 20 years for cars to be replaced.

Drivers just think that it will never happen to them 
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Reply #5 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 12:00pm
 
Paywall - please copy and paste article before it vanishes forever into the darkest realms of filthy Lucre...

I take it this king idiot ran over some cops at an RBT while chatting on his phone and drunk???

Twenty years and compensation payment for life..... out of his income no matter how meagre.... no more hiding under the cashless umbrella - you do the crime, you pay the time, the fine and the compo to any injured.

Well.. maybe not drunk.... but stupid.. stand by for the RST van...

Down at Ye Olde Random Stupidity Testing site:-

"Now just blow into this IQ bag until I tell you to stop..... wait a minute......... is that your lady friend there, sir?  Anyone stupid enough to blow in that bag is obviously deficient... I must ask you to remove your keys from the vehicle, hand them to me, and then accompany me to the van for a full IQ test......... errr.... you DO understand the instructions, don't you??  NO - you may not make a phone call to your lawyer while driving to the van ......"
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Reply #6 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 1:04pm
 
Moslem, is he?

Typical.
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Reply #7 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 1:15pm
 
Mexican or Black Man...... they're always the baddies.... look the part... certain strands of Mussos are simply insane...
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Reply #8 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 1:31pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
Moslem, is he?

Typical.


Don't be silly,  Karnal.

This is what would habe happened if he was a murdering muslim


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Reply #9 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 2:06pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:29am:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/nsw-police-commissioner-mick-fuller-s...

So how do you not see a full Booze Bus set up ?

The driver has since been charged with dangerous driving causing grievous bodily harm, causing bodily harm by misconduct in charge of a motor vehicle, negligent driving occasioning grievous bodily harm and using a mobile phone when not permitted.

At least they threw the book at him.


maim him so he cannot drive again
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Reply #10 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 2:12pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 2:06pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:29am:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/nsw-police-commissioner-mick-fuller-s...

So how do you not see a full Booze Bus set up ?

The driver has since been charged with dangerous driving causing grievous bodily harm, causing bodily harm by misconduct in charge of a motor vehicle, negligent driving occasioning grievous bodily harm and using a mobile phone when not permitted.

At least they threw the book at him.


maim him so he cannot drive again



Good Muslim thinking there.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:28pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
Moslem, is he?

Typical.


Don't be silly,  Karnal.

This is what would habe happened if he was a murdering muslim


http://conceptnewscentral.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Nice-attack.j...


Is he Black, then?   Cool
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Reply #12 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 2:12pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 2:06pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:29am:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/nsw-police-commissioner-mick-fuller-s...

So how do you not see a full Booze Bus set up ?

The driver has since been charged with dangerous driving causing grievous bodily harm, causing bodily harm by misconduct in charge of a motor vehicle, negligent driving occasioning grievous bodily harm and using a mobile phone when not permitted.

At least they threw the book at him.


maim him so he cannot drive again



Good Muslim thinking there.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Maim, maim? Perhaps K should take this one up.
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Reply #13 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:09am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:33am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:29am:


He was on his phone.

Increase the fines for mobile phone use in a car to $2,000 and 6 demerit points (minimum).

Plus, confiscation and destruction of phone.


$300 is plenty for a fine. It would take a millionaire to not feel the sting of a fine of $300. And it would hurt just as little for the $2000 fine.

A co-worker of mine got done for answering his phone just as he had pulled over to answer it. The technicality was that his engine was still on. The other day, I had to pull over to phone back for a missed call. Considering the heat and humidity of that week, if I pulled up to answer/redial a missed call and was done for the sake of having a car engine running for the sake of airconditioning, I would go ballistic over a $2000 fine.

The damage is already done for this driver's negligence. If the officer could have his foot reattached like new, and all their injuries healed, I am sure a fine and a damage bill issued would be sufficient. But this guy needs gaol.
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Reply #14 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:11am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:09am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:33am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:29am:


He was on his phone.

Increase the fines for mobile phone use in a car to $2,000 and 6 demerit points (minimum).

Plus, confiscation and destruction of phone.


$300 is plenty for a fine. It would take a millionaire to not feel the sting of a fine of $300. And it would hurt just as little for the $2000 fine.

A co-worker of mine got done for answering his phone just as he had pulled over to answer it. The technicality was that his engine was still on. The other day, I had to pull over to phone back for a missed call. Considering the heat and humidity of that week, if I pulled up to answer/redial a missed call and was done for the sake of having a car engine running for the sake of airconditioning, I would go ballistic over a $2000 fine.

The damage is already done for this driver's negligence. If the officer could have his foot reattached like new, and all their injuries healed, I am sure a fine and a damage bill issued would be sufficient. But this guy needs gaol.


Fines should be income adjusted. IE a percentage of income.

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Reply #15 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:24am
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:11am:
Fines should be income adjusted. IE a percentage of income.


Yeah, that would make sense.
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Reply #16 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:27am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:09am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:33am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:29am:


He was on his phone.

Increase the fines for mobile phone use in a car to $2,000 and 6 demerit points (minimum).

Plus, confiscation and destruction of phone.


$300 is plenty for a fine. It would take a millionaire to not feel the sting of a fine of $300. And it would hurt just as little for the $2000 fine.

A co-worker of mine got done for answering his phone just as he had pulled over to answer it. The technicality was that his engine was still on. The other day, I had to pull over to phone back for a missed call. Considering the heat and humidity of that week, if I pulled up to answer/redial a missed call and was done for the sake of having a car engine running for the sake of airconditioning, I would go ballistic over a $2000 fine.

The damage is already done for this driver's negligence. If the officer could have his foot reattached like new, and all their injuries healed, I am sure a fine and a damage bill issued would be sufficient. But this guy needs gaol.


For an old car you can buy a bluetooth adaptor for less than $50 bucks most modern cars even base models all seem to have bluetooth there is no excuse for not at least using hands free, I see many on low incomes with expensive phones so there is no excuse. as for the fine does not matter what it is if its not thoroughly enforced, waiting for a major accident to apply the rule is rather pathetic.

According to studies even handsfree is still distracting I use it all the time and I kind of agree it is.

I would make a rule that insurance companies don't have to payout if you have an accident where you were using your phone especially if you were texting ! This is the rule for DUI, I know one guy who was up for an $80k bill after having a DUI accident !
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Reply #17 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:34am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:24am:
Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:11am:
Fines should be income adjusted. IE a percentage of income.


Yeah, that would make sense.


How would it make sense ?
So someone on the dole continually breaks the law with no real consequence ?
Someone working in the black economy (many on the dole do this) would get cheap fines. Don't even get started on company owners who often report little to no income .... its a dumb idea all the way round !

Easiest way to punish people is take away their license.
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Reply #18 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.
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Reply #19 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:04am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Most vehicles do, search all new cars and try to find one that does not have bluetooth as standard !

Also my previous car which I had for 11 years I used a bluetooth adaptor which cost me $30 I still have it.

The other issue is getting people to admit in an accident situation they were on their mobiles. Phones can be scrubbed .... I find it odd this guy confessed he was on his mobile. Its a weird thing people think using a mobile is a right no matter where they are makes for funny youtube videos and sadly people have died looking at their phone.
People wonder down the street in zombie mode glued to there phones I deliberately walk into them they expect you to get out of there way.

The only way I can see stopping people using their mobiles in cars is jamming devices which are currently illegal. Also they can not be limited to the car. Also there is nothing wrong with a car passenger using a mobile.


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Reply #20 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:42am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Studies all over the world have proven that hands free operation is still dangerous.

Engine on = phone off.

Simples!

My phone is put on silent, and then placed in the glove box when I drive.

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Reply #21 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:42am
 
You don't need expensive jammers or anything techie, some strategicly places wire mesh in the roof lining, under the floor and in the doors would make a partial faraday cage and make a phone inside the car practically unusable (there would still be some leakage).  Radios and antenna devices would be unaffected.

It wouldn't be expensive but would people buy a car that doesn't let them use the phone when and as they like?
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Reply #22 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:34am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:29am:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/nsw-police-commissioner-mick-fuller-s...

So how do you not see a full Booze Bus set up ?

The driver has since been charged with dangerous driving causing grievous bodily harm, causing bodily harm by misconduct in charge of a motor vehicle, negligent driving occasioning grievous bodily harm and using a mobile phone when not permitted.

At least they threw the book at him.


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Reply #23 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 11:41am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:29am:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/nsw-police-commissioner-mick-fuller-s...

So how do you not see a full Booze Bus set up ?

The driver has since been charged with dangerous driving causing grievous bodily harm, causing bodily harm by misconduct in charge of a motor vehicle, negligent driving occasioning grievous bodily harm and using a mobile phone when not permitted.

At least they threw the book at him.


There are lots of similar incidences like this where the offended is given police bail. I guess the lesson is don't run over a copper.


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Reply #24 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 11:45am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:04am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Most vehicles do, search all new cars and try to find one that does not have bluetooth as standard !

Also my previous car which I had for 11 years I used a bluetooth adaptor which cost me $30 I still have it.

The other issue is getting people to admit in an accident situation they were on their mobiles. Phones can be scrubbed .... I find it odd this guy confessed he was on his mobile. Its a weird thing people think using a mobile is a right no matter where they are makes for funny youtube videos and sadly people have died looking at their phone.
People wonder down the street in zombie mode glued to there phones I deliberately walk into them they expect you to get out of there way.

The only way I can see stopping people using their mobiles in cars is jamming devices which are currently illegal. Also they can not be limited to the car. Also there is nothing wrong with a car passenger using a mobile.




There's also nothing wrong with firing off a quick text when you're in a protracted traffic delay. People should be allowed to use discretion and common sense but if phone distraction contributes or causes an accident insurance should be voided and penalties should be harsher. Simple.




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Reply #25 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:03pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Studies all over the world have proven that hands free operation is still dangerous.

Engine on = phone off.

Simples!

My phone is put on silent, and then placed in the glove box when I drive.



Peccamitty is at it again.....mr perfect...lower case.

It must be wonderful living in a perfect fantasy world full of fantasy people all thinking it/he/she/them are great.

but, in the real world, its all just a lie.

If you don't have the ability to have a conversation on the phone while driving, perhaps its you who is competently retarded.
Perhaps its you who should be off the road.

Do you just sit in your car with earplugs so other people in your car cant talk to you, how does that work with those inner voices?
Be difficult to hear all those horns of drivers you cut off or hold up with your "Lower than the speed limit" driving style.
Or do you simply drive with all your friends, in other words, alone.

What about the radio?
Or all those pesky signs, red lights, traffic lights, pedestrians, speedo, tacho, fuel gauges etc etc?

It must be soooooooooooo difficult to concentrate for you with your limited cerebral capacity.

Get off the road if you cant do more than one task at a time.

I can just imagine you attempting to ride a motorcycle.
Not only do you have to drive to avoid all the moorons on the road who dont see you, you have to
Use your body to balance the bike.
Left hand is clutch
Left foot is gears
Right hand in accelerator and brake
Right foot is rear brake
Your hands also control the blinkers, horn, lights and accessories.

You have to be able to gauge how much pressure to use on both the front and rear brakes for any given braking requirement as well as maintain the balance even while changing direction.

You would be in a whole world of hurt in a very short time.

A good driver/ rider must be able to multitask.
Otherwise you have accidents.

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Reply #26 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:21pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Studies all over the world have proven that hands free operation is still dangerous.

Engine on = phone off.

Simples!

My phone is put on silent, and then placed in the glove box when I drive.



Peccamitty is at it again.....mr perfect...lower case.

It must be wonderful living in a perfect fantasy world full of fantasy people all thinking it/he/she/them are great.

but, in the real world, its all just a lie.

If you don't have the ability to have a conversation on the phone while driving, perhaps its you who is competently retarded.
Perhaps its you who should be off the road.

Do you just sit in your car with earplugs so other people in your car cant talk to you, how does that work with those inner voices?
Be difficult to hear all those horns of drivers you cut off or hold up with your "Lower than the speed limit" driving style.
Or do you simply drive with all your friends, in other words, alone.

What about the radio?
Or all those pesky signs, red lights, traffic lights, pedestrians, speedo, tacho, fuel gauges etc etc?

It must be soooooooooooo difficult to concentrate for you with your limited cerebral capacity.

Get off the road if you cant do more than one task at a time.

I can just imagine you attempting to ride a motorcycle.
Not only do you have to drive to avoid all the moorons on the road who dont see you, you have to
Use your body to balance the bike.
Left hand is clutch
Left foot is gears
Right hand in accelerator and brake
Right foot is rear brake
Your hands also control the blinkers, horn, lights and accessories.

You have to be able to gauge how much pressure to use on both the front and rear brakes for any given braking requirement as well as maintain the balance even while changing direction.

You would be in a whole world of hurt in a very short time.

A good driver/ rider must be able to multitask.
Otherwise you have accidents.




There's no need to use a mobile phone in a car.

Most people have difficulty just obeying the speed limit, so distracting them with a phone is an accident waiting to happen.

Increase the fines to $2,000 and 6 demerit points (minimum).

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Glad to have my Terr'uh'tree back with the cruise control - bloody wheel bearing..... the Camry wagon backup is basic... hard to keep at the speed limit....
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Reply #28 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Studies all over the world have proven that hands free operation is still dangerous.

Engine on = phone off.

Simples!

My phone is put on silent, and then placed in the glove box when I drive.



Peccamitty is at it again.....mr perfect...lower case.

It must be wonderful living in a perfect fantasy world full of fantasy people all thinking it/he/she/them are great.

but, in the real world, its all just a lie.

If you don't have the ability to have a conversation on the phone while driving, perhaps its you who is competently retarded.
Perhaps its you who should be off the road.

Do you just sit in your car with earplugs so other people in your car cant talk to you, how does that work with those inner voices?
Be difficult to hear all those horns of drivers you cut off or hold up with your "Lower than the speed limit" driving style.
Or do you simply drive with all your friends, in other words, alone.

What about the radio?
Or all those pesky signs, red lights, traffic lights, pedestrians, speedo, tacho, fuel gauges etc etc?

It must be soooooooooooo difficult to concentrate for you with your limited cerebral capacity.

Get off the road if you cant do more than one task at a time.

I can just imagine you attempting to ride a motorcycle.
Not only do you have to drive to avoid all the moorons on the road who dont see you, you have to
Use your body to balance the bike.
Left hand is clutch
Left foot is gears
Right hand in accelerator and brake
Right foot is rear brake
Your hands also control the blinkers, horn, lights and accessories.

You have to be able to gauge how much pressure to use on both the front and rear brakes for any given braking requirement as well as maintain the balance even while changing direction.

You would be in a whole world of hurt in a very short time.

A good driver/ rider must be able to multitask.
Otherwise you have accidents.




There's no need to use a mobile phone in a car.

Most people have difficulty just obeying the speed limit, so distracting them with a phone is an accident waiting to happen.

Increase the fines to $2,000 and 6 demerit points (minimum).




If you cant multitask enough to have a simple conversation..
GET OFF THE ROAD.

I REITERATE;

If you don't have the ability to have a conversation on the phone while driving, perhaps its you who is competently retarded.
Perhaps its you who should be off the road.

Do you just sit in your car with earplugs so other people in your car cant talk to you, how does that work with those inner voices?
Be difficult to hear all those horns of drivers you cut off or hold up with your "Lower than the speed limit" driving style.
Or do you simply drive with all your friends, in other words, alone.

What about the radio?
Or all those pesky signs, red lights, traffic lights, pedestrians, speedo, tacho, fuel gauges etc etc?

It must be soooooooooooo difficult to concentrate for you with your limited cerebral capacity.

Get off the road if you cant do more than one task at a time.

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Reply #29 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:13pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Studies all over the world have proven that hands free operation is still dangerous.

Engine on = phone off.

Simples!

My phone is put on silent, and then placed in the glove box when I drive.



Peccamitty is at it again.....mr perfect...lower case.

It must be wonderful living in a perfect fantasy world full of fantasy people all thinking it/he/she/them are great.

but, in the real world, its all just a lie.

If you don't have the ability to have a conversation on the phone while driving, perhaps its you who is competently retarded.
Perhaps its you who should be off the road.

Do you just sit in your car with earplugs so other people in your car cant talk to you, how does that work with those inner voices?
Be difficult to hear all those horns of drivers you cut off or hold up with your "Lower than the speed limit" driving style.
Or do you simply drive with all your friends, in other words, alone.

What about the radio?
Or all those pesky signs, red lights, traffic lights, pedestrians, speedo, tacho, fuel gauges etc etc?

It must be soooooooooooo difficult to concentrate for you with your limited cerebral capacity.

Get off the road if you cant do more than one task at a time.

I can just imagine you attempting to ride a motorcycle.
Not only do you have to drive to avoid all the moorons on the road who dont see you, you have to
Use your body to balance the bike.
Left hand is clutch
Left foot is gears
Right hand in accelerator and brake
Right foot is rear brake
Your hands also control the blinkers, horn, lights and accessories.

You have to be able to gauge how much pressure to use on both the front and rear brakes for any given braking requirement as well as maintain the balance even while changing direction.

You would be in a whole world of hurt in a very short time.

A good driver/ rider must be able to multitask.
Otherwise you have accidents.




There's no need to use a mobile phone in a car.

Most people have difficulty just obeying the speed limit, so distracting them with a phone is an accident waiting to happen.

Increase the fines to $2,000 and 6 demerit points (minimum).




If you cant multitask enough to have a simple conversation..
GET OFF THE ROAD.

I REITERATE;

If you don't have the ability to have a conversation on the phone while driving, perhaps its you who is competently retarded.
Perhaps its you who should be off the road.

Do you just sit in your car with earplugs so other people in your car cant talk to you, how does that work with those inner voices?
Be difficult to hear all those horns of drivers you cut off or hold up with your "Lower than the speed limit" driving style.
Or do you simply drive with all your friends, in other words, alone.

What about the radio?
Or all those pesky signs, red lights, traffic lights, pedestrians, speedo, tacho, fuel gauges etc etc?

It must be soooooooooooo difficult to concentrate for you with your limited cerebral capacity.

Get off the road if you cant do more than one task at a time.



Greg's socialist leanings are coming out by showing he thinks we all have equal driving skills.

I have very high and work proven multi-tasking abilities, the key to which is knowing when to devote more concentration to a particular task.

When I'm driving and the traffic needs more of my CPU resources I simply fade out the phone conversation. My wife on the other hand gets locked in when speaking on the phone and her arse could be on fire and she wouldn't know. Consequently she doesn't use the phone while driving.   



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The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.
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The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.


Really?  Got a link which supports that?
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Reply #32 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:21pm
 
Black Orchid wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.


I'm not talking about texting when you're traveling at 30 meters per second.

Managing a phone conversation in normal follow the leader Sydney traffic isn't too hard.
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Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.




seriously what about pictures!!!!!  I believe this guy was looking at pictures...make them the phones unusable... unless the engine is switched off..

mobile phones are new....they havent been in use all that long....what did people do before ??? thats right they drove  quite well without having 24/7 communication.....IT WORKED...
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Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:21pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.


I'm not talking about texting when you're traveling at 30 meters per second.

Managing a phone conversation in normal follow the leader Sydney traffic isn't too hard.



it is still a distraction......I wonder if firebrigade drivers are allowed a mobile phone.. what about our ambulance drivers... bus drivers taxi drivers....even police... is it ok for all them to use their mobile phones???????

it would appear we cant live without being on them 24/7..
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I've seen firies, ambos and coppers all driving while on their phone.  They get off because they are 'on duty.'

Pig's arse.
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I'm with cods on this, 100%.

She's talking sense, guys.

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Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:21pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.


I'm not talking about texting when you're traveling at 30 meters per second.

Managing a phone conversation in normal follow the leader Sydney traffic isn't too hard.


True and hands free is little different to talking to passengers or having fussy kids in the back of the car but, as usual, it is the few that dictate to the many.

I can only comment on Sydney traffic but there are SO many really really bad drivers in Sydney and half of them have their heads down.

I don't know how many times I have had to toot the person in front of me at traffic lights when the lights turn green because they have their head down looking at their phone.   They finally move through the amber and I get stuck with a red again.

It can easily cause road rage too.
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cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:26pm:
mobile phones are new....they havent been in use all that long....what did people do before ??? thats right they drove  quite well without having 24/7 communication.....IT WORKED...


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Reply #39 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:05pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:21pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.


I'm not talking about texting when you're traveling at 30 meters per second.

Managing a phone conversation in normal follow the leader Sydney traffic isn't too hard.


Depends on the conversation, I guess you could text while waiting at lights but unless its urgent not really needed.

I often have to dial into big meetings when I am out and about ..... most of them I might talk for a few minutes but I am mostly just listening. Means I can leave work early..
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cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
it would appear we cant live without being on them 24/7..


Yes and it is particularly irritating having to suffer listening to many different conversations in public places when you just want to think your own thoughts OR eat your dinner in peace.

There is absolutely no valid reason to text whilst driving.   If you absolutely NEED to text   ...   PULL OVER!!
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RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:21pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.


I'm not talking about texting when you're traveling at 30 meters per second.

Managing a phone conversation in normal follow the leader Sydney traffic isn't too hard.


Depends on the conversation, I guess you could text while waiting at lights but unless its urgent not really needed.

I often have to dial into big meetings when I am out and about ..... most of them I might talk for a few minutes but I am mostly just listening. Means I can leave work early..


Yup. A complicated technical discussion on the M5, not good. Hey I'm 15 late, see you soon, no probs.
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Black Orchid wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:06pm:
cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
it would appear we cant live without being on them 24/7..


Yes and it is particularly irritating having to suffer listening to many different conversations in public places when you just want to think your own thoughts OR eat your dinner in peace.

There is absolutely no valid reason to text whilst driving.   If you absolutely NEED to text   ...   PULL OVER!!



this young cop has lost his foot   thanks to someone who broke the law...

it is after all against the law to use a phone on the road....

at the end of the day   this could have been anyone!!!..

3 lives ruined    for what??????? Angry Angry
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Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:21pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.


I'm not talking about texting when you're traveling at 30 meters per second.

Managing a phone conversation in normal follow the leader Sydney traffic isn't too hard.


Depends on the conversation, I guess you could text while waiting at lights but unless its urgent not really needed.

I often have to dial into big meetings when I am out and about ..... most of them I might talk for a few minutes but I am mostly just listening. Means I can leave work early..


Yup. A complicated technical discussion on the M5, not good. Hey I'm 15 late, see you soon, no probs.


Only 15 minute late on the M5 that is very good when it clogs up its a disaster area.
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RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:15pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:21pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.


I'm not talking about texting when you're traveling at 30 meters per second.

Managing a phone conversation in normal follow the leader Sydney traffic isn't too hard.


Depends on the conversation, I guess you could text while waiting at lights but unless its urgent not really needed.

I often have to dial into big meetings when I am out and about ..... most of them I might talk for a few minutes but I am mostly just listening. Means I can leave work early..


Yup. A complicated technical discussion on the M5, not good. Hey I'm 15 late, see you soon, no probs.


Only 15 minute late on the M5 that is very good when it clogs up its a disaster area.


Have you noticed the different vibe on the M5? So agro.

I call the M5 tunnel the tunnel to Mordor
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Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:20pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:15pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:21pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.


I'm not talking about texting when you're traveling at 30 meters per second.

Managing a phone conversation in normal follow the leader Sydney traffic isn't too hard.


Depends on the conversation, I guess you could text while waiting at lights but unless its urgent not really needed.

I often have to dial into big meetings when I am out and about ..... most of them I might talk for a few minutes but I am mostly just listening. Means I can leave work early..


Yup. A complicated technical discussion on the M5, not good. Hey I'm 15 late, see you soon, no probs.


Only 15 minute late on the M5 that is very good when it clogs up its a disaster area.


Have you noticed the different vibe on the M5? So agro.

I call the M5 tunnel the tunnel to Mordor

Yes that is one road I generally avoid living where I do I rarely ever have to use it.
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cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:13pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:06pm:
cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
it would appear we cant live without being on them 24/7..


Yes and it is particularly irritating having to suffer listening to many different conversations in public places when you just want to think your own thoughts OR eat your dinner in peace.

There is absolutely no valid reason to text whilst driving.   If you absolutely NEED to text   ...   PULL OVER!!



this young cop has lost his foot   thanks to someone who broke the law...

it is after all against the law to use a phone on the road....

at the end of the day   this could have been anyone!!!..

3 lives ruined    for what??????? Angry Angry


Absolutely spot on.


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RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:27am:
For an old car you can buy a bluetooth adaptor for less than $50 bucks most modern cars even base models all seem to have bluetooth there is no excuse for not at least using hands free, I see many on low incomes with expensive phones so there is no excuse. as for the fine does not matter what it is if its not thoroughly enforced, waiting for a major accident to apply the rule is rather pathetic.


So, am I charging my phone on these adaptors (one for an iphone)?

There has been an increasing need for me to figure out a way to charge my phone and hands-free answer my phone for calls I seem to get. But I am quite happy to pull over and redial the missed call.
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RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:24am:
Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:11am:
Fines should be income adjusted. IE a percentage of income.


Yeah, that would make sense.


How would it make sense ?
So someone on the dole continually breaks the law with no real consequence ?
Someone working in the black economy (many on the dole do this) would get cheap fines. Don't even get started on company owners who often report little to no income .... its a dumb idea all the way round !

Easiest way to punish people is take away their license.


Admittedly, I would agree that this is right, and withdraw my agreement that fines should be income adjusted.
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Reply #49 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:00am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 11:52pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:24am:
Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:11am:
Fines should be income adjusted. IE a percentage of income.


Yeah, that would make sense.


How would it make sense ?
So someone on the dole continually breaks the law with no real consequence ?
Someone working in the black economy (many on the dole do this) would get cheap fines. Don't even get started on company owners who often report little to no income .... its a dumb idea all the way round !

Easiest way to punish people is take away their license.


Admittedly, I would agree that this is right, and withdraw my agreement that fines should be income adjusted.


So you are up for balck&white? If someone breaks the speed limit, rescind their license straight up? RSF is using extremes to try and avoid the fact that fixed fines penalise those less well off and let wealthy people go Meh! The more wealthy you are the less fines will affect you. Mind you I have not accrued a demerit point in over 30 years. A fine is supposed to make you hurt a little in your hip pocket, a disincentive to do it again.

A $300 fine is an hours work for Greg, it's 3/4's of a fortnights income for someone unemployed, and one third of a wage earners weekly pay. This is why it needs to be income adjusted.
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The other issue is getting people to admit in an accident situation they were on their mobiles. Phones can be scrubbed .... I find it odd this guy confessed he was on his mobile. Its a weird thing people think using a mobile is a right no matter where they are makes for funny youtube videos and sadly people have died looking at their phone.
People wonder down the street in zombie mode glued to there phones I deliberately walk into them they expect you to get out of there way.


There have only been one person I know that got fined for using their phone in the car. That one being the guy that pulled over to answer a phone and leaving his car running. A young lady I knew would use her phone in her car constantly for work purposes. I would assume she no longer does this.

The other issue about phone calls and text messaging being deleted on their phones is that phone calls and text messages can be (and are) registered to the phone company. Telstra has a log of all calls being made, regardless of whether you delete any record of them on your phone. The police can do a search through records (probably with a warrant -- but perhaps not) of mobile phones in the area that were on at the time of an accident, and then find out the phone number of the driver in the accident. But I would assume that they would do so in severe situations, like this accident, had the driver not admitted to using his/her phone.

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That is ridiculous. There are times when you are allowed to use your mobile whilst driving. Extenuating circumstances like an emergency will allow a driver to avoid a fine and penalties for using a phone whilst driving. The only time a jamming device needs to be employed in this country is during a bomb threat.
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Reply #51 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:19am
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:00am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 11:52pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:24am:
Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:11am:
Fines should be income adjusted. IE a percentage of income.


Yeah, that would make sense.


How would it make sense ?
So someone on the dole continually breaks the law with no real consequence ?
Someone working in the black economy (many on the dole do this) would get cheap fines. Don't even get started on company owners who often report little to no income .... its a dumb idea all the way round !

Easiest way to punish people is take away their license.


Admittedly, I would agree that this is right, and withdraw my agreement that fines should be income adjusted.


So you are up for balck&white? If someone breaks the speed limit, rescind their license straight up? RSF is using extremes to try and avoid the fact that fixed fines penalise those less well off and let wealthy people go Meh! The more wealthy you are the less fines will affect you. Mind you I have not accrued a demerit point in over 30 years. A fine is supposed to make you hurt a little in your hip pocket, a disincentive to do it again.


From my understanding, police officers don't book motorists if they do less than 8kmh over the speed limit. Although they can fine someone, they have a very strict rule of not to fining anyone for doing under 5kmh over the speed limit. Most officers I know have told me that they try for anyone that does 10 or more. But they like to go for the $200+ fines of 13 to 20kmh over the speed limit speedsters.

I have spoken to multimillionaires about their speeding habits. A retiring multimillionaire of a business (and of course he did not live around Rockhampton when I spoke to him). He told me that he would accept a speeding fine and just pay it. The only thing is that he would accrue demerit points to an extent of not being able to drive, if he kept on speeding. Had he lost his licence from traffic violations, he would suffer the indignity of not being able to drive for a while, and he might suffer in business from bad press.

I agree with RSF. Demerit points are enough of an incentive to avoid doing things that could result in being penalised. But immediate licence suspension should only be for times when serious traffic violations occur.
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Reply #52 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:23am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:19am:
Setanta wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:00am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 11:52pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:24am:
Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:11am:
Fines should be income adjusted. IE a percentage of income.


Yeah, that would make sense.


How would it make sense ?
So someone on the dole continually breaks the law with no real consequence ?
Someone working in the black economy (many on the dole do this) would get cheap fines. Don't even get started on company owners who often report little to no income .... its a dumb idea all the way round !

Easiest way to punish people is take away their license.


Admittedly, I would agree that this is right, and withdraw my agreement that fines should be income adjusted.


So you are up for balck&white? If someone breaks the speed limit, rescind their license straight up? RSF is using extremes to try and avoid the fact that fixed fines penalise those less well off and let wealthy people go Meh! The more wealthy you are the less fines will affect you. Mind you I have not accrued a demerit point in over 30 years. A fine is supposed to make you hurt a little in your hip pocket, a disincentive to do it again.


From my understanding, police officers don't book motorists if they do less than 8kmh over the speed limit. Although they can fine someone, they have a very strict rule of not to fining anyone for doing under 5kmh over the speed limit. Most officers I know have told me that they try for anyone that does 10 or more. But they like to go for the $200+ fines of 13 to 20kmh over the speed limit speedsters.

I have spoken to multimillionaires about their speeding habits. A retiring multimillionaire of a business (and of course he did not live around Rockhampton when I spoke to him). He told me that he would accept a speeding fine and just pay it. The only thing is that he would accrue demerit points to an extent of not being able to drive, if he kept on speeding. Had he lost his licence from traffic violations, he would suffer the indignity of not being able to drive for a while, and he might suffer in business from bad press.

I agree with RSF. Demerit points are enough of an incentive to avoid doing things that could result in being penalised. But immediate licence suspension should only be for times when serious traffic violations occur.


They can book you for going 1k over. A millionaire can pay someone to drive them around, can you?

If you want to do away with fines altogether and rely on demerits, that's one thing, but if there are fines in place, the only fair way is via income adjusted fines.
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I've seen firies, ambos and coppers all driving while on their phone.  They get off because they are 'on duty.'

Pig's arse.


I think I would rather be saved by a policeman, fireman, or ambulance worker who get and place calls whilst they are driving, rather than wait another 5 minutes for someone to get to me because they had not received a call or radio transmission.

Bad guys have police radio frequencies, too. Making phone calls to avoid radio detection is a good strategy for police.
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Reply #54 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:51am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:41am:
Aussie wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:50pm:
I've seen firies, ambos and coppers all driving while on their phone.  They get off because they are 'on duty.'

Pig's arse.


I think I would rather be saved by a policeman, fireman, or ambulance worker who get and place calls whilst they are driving, rather than wait another 5 minutes for someone to get to me because they had not received a call or radio transmission.

Bad guys have police radio frequencies, too. Making phone calls to avoid radio detection is a good strategy for police.


All emergency workers are allowed to use mobiles while driving, full stop. It may be their only means of communication in an emergency and may not be with others that have radio. Perfectly understandable, like cops carrying guns when others are not allowed.

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Setanta wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:23am:
They can book you for going 1k over. A millionaire can pay someone to drive them around, can you?


Yes. Police can fine you for doing 1kmh over the speed limit. But they don't. Because then the public would get into an uproar about it.
Years ago, a woman was fined in Brisbane for doing 80kmh in a 100kmh motorway. Her reasoning for her slowness: her daughter had recently had an operation, and she did not want to exacerbate the pain her daughter was in with a higher speed. The public wrote in to show no sympathy for her. Whatever her reasoning, they said, she could have pulled off the road and allowed the traffic backing up behind her to pass at a normal speed. People said that she caused road rage and could have unsettled/distracted drivers to the point of causing an imminent accident.

A taxi driver can drive me around. Other than that, I have a bike I can use to go small distances.

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If you want to do away with fines altogether and rely on demerits, that's one thing, but if there are fines in place, the only fair way is via income adjusted fines.


People who earn a living in higher income jobs should not be penalised further than a low-income earner because of socioeconomic circumstance. What next? Making millionaires pay more for a meat pie, or groceries (for that matter) because they earn more?
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Reply #56 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 1:26am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 1:10am:
Setanta wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:23am:
They can book you for going 1k over. A millionaire can pay someone to drive them around, can you?


Yes. Police can fine you for doing 1kmh over the speed limit. But they don't. Because then the public would get into an uproar about it.
Years ago, a woman was fined in Brisbane for doing 80kmh in a 100kmh motorway. Her reasoning for her slowness: her daughter had recently had an operation, and she did not want to exacerbate the pain her daughter was in with a higher speed. The public wrote in to show no sympathy for her. Whatever her reasoning, they said, she could have pulled off the road and allowed the traffic backing up behind her to pass at a normal speed. People said that she caused road rage and could have unsettled/distracted drivers to the point of causing an imminent accident.

A taxi driver can drive me around. Other than that, I have a bike I can use to go small distances.

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If you want to do away with fines altogether and rely on demerits, that's one thing, but if there are fines in place, the only fair way is via income adjusted fines.


People who earn a living in higher income jobs should not be penalised further than a low-income earner because of socioeconomic circumstance. What next? Making millionaires pay more for a meat pie, or groceries (for that matter) because they earn more?


All cars speedos can be up to 10% lower than the actual speed but cannot be above actual speed, ADR. If they bust you speeding you have no excuse.

Paying for a pie is not the same as paying a fine. A fine is meant to be a deterrent, not a meal. If fines have no deterrent value for some, why have them at all? As a deterrent, would Greg miss an hours pay? Would you miss 20 hours pay? Are they equivalent?

Greg will survive quiet well losing an hours pay, he won't even notice it gone, how will you, your wife and kids go losing close to half a weeks pay when you can barely make ends meet as it is?

Having set fines punishes some far more than others.
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Setanta, as part of the speedsters involuntarily getting fined club, I happen to know that you can pay off your fines at a rate of $10 per week. I had my Centrelink payments deducted by $20/fortnight to pay off a $294 fine in 2010 and a $375 fine in 2012. I did not feel the pain of the fine because it was only $20 a fortnight. On both occasions, I simply went without having booze for 6 months. Just budgeted $20 a fortnight better for groceries. Barely a noticeable difference. However, my demerit points were accumulated for both fines, which made me think twice about speeding -- even when my 2012 speeding fine was bogus.
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Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:20pm:
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Gordon wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
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The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.


I'm not talking about texting when you're traveling at 30 meters per second.

Managing a phone conversation in normal follow the leader Sydney traffic isn't too hard.


Depends on the conversation, I guess you could text while waiting at lights but unless its urgent not really needed.

I often have to dial into big meetings when I am out and about ..... most of them I might talk for a few minutes but I am mostly just listening. Means I can leave work early..


Yup. A complicated technical discussion on the M5, not good. Hey I'm 15 late, see you soon, no probs.


Only 15 minute late on the M5 that is very good when it clogs up its a disaster area.


Have you noticed the different vibe on the M5? So agro.

I call the M5 tunnel the tunnel to Mordor


Its mostly on the other side of Sydney for us Stuck up Northern Beaches types Smiley If I am down that way I use it sparingly and usually check out the traffic reports .... in the past I have been stuck in big jams on that piece of crap.

WRT the M2/M7 the only scary issue is the speeding big semi's very rarely do you bad traffic jams. They do happen but nothing like what I hear about regularly on the M5.
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Reply #59 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:32am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:34am:
Setanta, as part of the speedsters involuntarily getting fined club, I happen to know that you can pay off your fines at a rate of $10 per week. I had my Centrelink payments deducted by $20/fortnight to pay off a $294 fine in 2010 and a $375 fine in 2012. I did not feel the pain of the fine because it was only $20 a fortnight. On both occasions, I simply went without having booze for 6 months. Just budgeted $20 a fortnight better for groceries. Barely a noticeable difference. However, my demerit points were accumulated for both fines, which made me think twice about speeding -- even when my 2012 speeding fine was bogus.


The only flaw I have seen is with speed camera fines you can claim your pet dog was driving WRT to points. I know a few rich guys with multiple DUI's and demerit points who often claim their wife was driving. You kind of prove one of my posts where the weird flawed income based fines just won't work ..... current fines are not deterring you on welfare but the points system is.

I remember a few years back a Truckie arguing that professional drivers like Truckies should have more points as they drive more ...... I actually think the opposite, I would put them on P-Plater points ! If you need your license for income then you really need to respect the law.
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For an old car you can buy a bluetooth adaptor for less than $50 bucks most modern cars even base models all seem to have bluetooth there is no excuse for not at least using hands free, I see many on low incomes with expensive phones so there is no excuse. as for the fine does not matter what it is if its not thoroughly enforced, waiting for a major accident to apply the rule is rather pathetic.


So, am I charging my phone on these adaptors (one for an iphone)?

There has been an increasing need for me to figure out a way to charge my phone and hands-free answer my phone for calls I seem to get. But I am quite happy to pull over and redial the missed call.


The one I have is Solar powered so it does not need a cigarette lighter socket and no most I see don't charge phones. Look up Ebay they have all sorts or adaptors for cars. I use a power bank that I carry around so I can recharge the phone any where. Very rarely use it as my phone lasts 2-3 days without charging. I drop it on a wireless charger when I get home.

The bluetooth Adaptor is sitting in the office collecting dust, bought new car about 2.5 years ago .... I think it might be impossible to buy a new car without bluetooth these days.
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[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1518830940/1#1 date=1518831214][quote author=RightSaidFred link=1518830940/0#0 date=1518830940]https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/nsw-police-commissioner-mick-fuller-s...

A co-worker of mine got done for answering his phone just as he had pulled over to answer it. The technicality was that his engine was still on.


As usual, it's about revenue, not safety. Wouldn't be Australia without nanny-state fines for nanny-state offences, while the real dangers on our roads - like the guy in this crash - get multiple chances to have another go at killing someone.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:42am:
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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
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its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Studies all over the world have proven that hands free operation is still dangerous.

Engine on = phone off.

Simples!

My phone is put on silent, and then placed in the glove box when I drive.




Then so is operating the car wipers, indicators, radio, rear wipers, flicking swithches even those on your steering column and the cruise control & talking to other people in the car.

The idea of being a capable driver is your ability to multi task and use your peripheral vision.

If you can't use bluetooth to talk to someone .. virtually the same as to a passenger in your car then you shouldn't be driving a vehicle.

Peccar you better stick to a peddle car.
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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/nsw-police-commissioner-mick-fuller-s...

So how do you not see a full Booze Bus set up ?

The driver has since been charged with dangerous driving causing grievous bodily harm, causing bodily harm by misconduct in charge of a motor vehicle, negligent driving occasioning grievous bodily harm and using a mobile phone when not permitted.

At least they threw the book at him.


These days you need eyes in the back of your head too.


That's what rear view mirrors & reversing cameras are for Roll Eyes
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Gnads wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Studies all over the world have proven that hands free operation is still dangerous.

Engine on = phone off.

Simples!

My phone is put on silent, and then placed in the glove box when I drive.



Then so is operating the car wipers, indicators, radio, rear wipers, flicking swithches even those on your steering column and the cruise control & talking to other people in the car.

The idea of being a capable driver is your ability to multi task and use your peripheral vision.

If you can't use bluetooth to talk to someone .. virtually the same as to a passenger in your car then you shouldn't be driving a vehicle.

Peccar you better stick to a peddle car.


"A hands-free phone conversation while driving is just as dangerous as one using a hand-held phone, with both drivers taking a second longer to react, a Queensland study finds."

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cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:26pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.




seriously what about pictures!!!!!  I believe this guy was looking at pictures...make them the phones unusable... unless the engine is switched off..

mobile phones are new....they havent been in use all that long....what did people do before ??? thats right they drove  quite well without having 24/7 communication.....IT WORKED...


Grin Grin I got my first one(nokia) in 1991 & they were out a while before that..... close to 30 years I'd say.

If you can't multi task .... you shouldn't be driving.

The roads are full of people who can't multi task, how they get a license I'll never know, they are nearly as dangerous as some one looking at or texting on a mobile phone.
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I'm with cods on this, 100%.

She's talking sense, guys.



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cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Studies all over the world have proven that hands free operation is still dangerous.

Engine on = phone off.

Simples!

My phone is put on silent, and then placed in the glove box when I drive.



Then so is operating the car wipers, indicators, radio, rear wipers, flicking swithches even those on your steering column and the cruise control & talking to other people in the car.

The idea of being a capable driver is your ability to multi task and use your peripheral vision.

If you can't use bluetooth to talk to someone .. virtually the same as to a passenger in your car then you shouldn't be driving a vehicle.

Peccar you better stick to a peddle car.


"A hands-free phone conversation while driving is just as dangerous as one using a hand-held phone, with both drivers taking a second longer to react, a Queensland study finds."



So you don't speak to passengers in your car?

When are they going to do a study on that & all the other tasks you do when driving & the effects that has?

Can you ever address a subject without repetitious pedantry?
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Reply #68 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:13am
 
cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
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The problem is that most people who have killed or maimed others on the roads also think that they have acute multi-tasking skills.

It only takes a split second for something disastrous to happen and if you are on the phone at that precise moment you are behind the eight ball reaction wise.


I'm not talking about texting when you're traveling at 30 meters per second.

Managing a phone conversation in normal follow the leader Sydney traffic isn't too hard.



it is still a distraction......I wonder if firebrigade drivers are allowed a mobile phone.. what about our ambulance drivers... bus drivers taxi drivers....even police... is it ok for all them to use their mobile phones???????

it would appear we cant live without being on them 24/7..



Yes, that's what it's come to for some people.

I know of people who have them by their beds every night - it's the last thing they look at before turning off the light, and the first thing they look at in the morning.

When I go for a walk, either for exercise or just down to the shop, I don't usually take my mobile with me.

Some of my friends find this quite amazing - they just can't understand how I can go for an hour or so without having a mobile phone in my pocket.

When I go overseas - no mobile.

Driving - no mobile (it's turned off and placed in the glove box).

I just don't understand this need to have a phone 24/7.

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Reply #69 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:13am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:57am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Studies all over the world have proven that hands free operation is still dangerous.

Engine on = phone off.

Simples!

My phone is put on silent, and then placed in the glove box when I drive.



Then so is operating the car wipers, indicators, radio, rear wipers, flicking swithches even those on your steering column and the cruise control & talking to other people in the car.

The idea of being a capable driver is your ability to multi task and use your peripheral vision.

If you can't use bluetooth to talk to someone .. virtually the same as to a passenger in your car then you shouldn't be driving a vehicle.

Peccar you better stick to a peddle car.


"A hands-free phone conversation while driving is just as dangerous as one using a hand-held phone, with both drivers taking a second longer to react, a Queensland study finds."



Then so is operating the car wipers, indicators, radio, rear wipers, flicking swithches even those on your steering column and the cruise control & talking to other people in the car.

The idea of being a capable driver is your ability to multi task and use your peripheral vision.

If you can't use bluetooth to talk to someone .. virtually the same as to a passenger in your car then you shouldn't be driving a vehicle.

Peccar you better stick to a peddle car.
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Reply #70 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:15am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:12am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:57am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Studies all over the world have proven that hands free operation is still dangerous.

Engine on = phone off.

Simples!

My phone is put on silent, and then placed in the glove box when I drive.



Then so is operating the car wipers, indicators, radio, rear wipers, flicking swithches even those on your steering column and the cruise control & talking to other people in the car.

The idea of being a capable driver is your ability to multi task and use your peripheral vision.

If you can't use bluetooth to talk to someone .. virtually the same as to a passenger in your car then you shouldn't be driving a vehicle.

Peccar you better stick to a peddle car.


"A hands-free phone conversation while driving is just as dangerous as one using a hand-held phone, with both drivers taking a second longer to react, a Queensland study finds."



So you don't speak to passengers in your car?

When are they going to do a study on that & all the other tasks you do when driving & the effects that has?

Can you ever address a subject without repetitious pedantry?


"... chatty passengers tend to pose less of a risk than mobile phone conversations because they usually moderate the conversation when hazards arise, but someone on the end of the phone is oblivious to other demands on the driver and to non-verbal cues that might otherwise stem the flow of chat." 
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Reply #71 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:41am
 

Passenger conversation is much safer than conversation on the cell phone,’’ said David Strayer, professor of psychology at the University of Utah and the study’s lead author.

“When you’re in the same physical environment, you tend to adjust your discussions to the difficulty of driving. If driving becomes difficult, they stop talking or they point out hazards.’’


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Reply #72 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:48am
 
Banning for life would be as effective as with that meth-ed up family killer down south..... you can ban them.... you can't stop them driving, even though they'd be stupid to do so these days with the immediate recognition of vehicles etc.
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Reply #73 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:49am
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:11am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:09am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:33am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:29am:


He was on his phone.

Increase the fines for mobile phone use in a car to $2,000 and 6 demerit points (minimum).

Plus, confiscation and destruction of phone.


$300 is plenty for a fine. It would take a millionaire to not feel the sting of a fine of $300. And it would hurt just as little for the $2000 fine.

A co-worker of mine got done for answering his phone just as he had pulled over to answer it. The technicality was that his engine was still on. The other day, I had to pull over to phone back for a missed call. Considering the heat and humidity of that week, if I pulled up to answer/redial a missed call and was done for the sake of having a car engine running for the sake of airconditioning, I would go ballistic over a $2000 fine.

The damage is already done for this driver's negligence. If the officer could have his foot reattached like new, and all their injuries healed, I am sure a fine and a damage bill issued would be sufficient. But this guy needs gaol.


Fines should be income adjusted. IE a percentage of income.



Yes!

I've always advocated that approach.

A percentage of your weekly income, based on last year's tax return (for example).

For mobile phone use in a car, I'd set it at 150% of average weekly income (before tax).

So, if you're on an average wage of $78,000, you cop a $2,250 fine for using a mobile in a car.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:41am:
Passenger conversation is much safer than conversation on the cell phone,’’ said David Strayer, professor of psychology at the University of Utah and the study’s lead author.

“When you’re in the same physical environment, you tend to adjust your discussions to the difficulty of driving. If driving becomes difficult, they stop talking or they point out hazards.’’




I tend to get annoyed if people chatter at me while I'm driving... I'm the one with the mirrors and I am very serious about my driving and like to keep touch with what's around me, and being partly deaf doesn't help either, since any chat often needs repeating and becomes annoying.

Rule #2 - NEVER argue with the driver while he is driving...

People have been known to slam their foot to the floor and crash to shut you up... NEVER enrage the driver with silly argument....

ANY distraction is potentially deadly - a woman with two kids in the back on The Old Northern Road where I used to drive every day lost it and ran off the road and killed both kids.... distracted instead of driving.

Let the driver drive - and nothing else.
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Reply #75 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:54pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:52am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:41am:
Passenger conversation is much safer than conversation on the cell phone,’’ said David Strayer, professor of psychology at the University of Utah and the study’s lead author.

“When you’re in the same physical environment, you tend to adjust your discussions to the difficulty of driving. If driving becomes difficult, they stop talking or they point out hazards.’’




I tend to get annoyed if people chatter at me while I'm driving... I'm the one with the mirrors and I am very serious about my driving and like to keep touch with what's around me, and being partly deaf doesn't help either, since any chat often needs repeating and becomes annoying.

Rule #2 - NEVER argue with the driver while he is driving...

People have been known to slam their foot to the floor and crash to shut you up... NEVER enrage the driver with silly argument....

ANY distraction is potentially deadly - a woman with two kids in the back on The Old Northern Road where I used to drive every day lost it and ran off the road and killed both kids.... distracted instead of driving.

Let the driver drive - and nothing else.


When my kid's in the front seat I flick her on the leg and when she tried to retaliate I say nah remember the  no disturbing the driver rule!!
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Reply #76 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:55pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:15am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:12am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:57am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
its a shocker isnt it....so cruel so unnecessary 

one lost a leg   how bloody devastating.....

I dont know what the answer is... believe me taking away a licence doesnt keep them off the road...


maybe its time they came up with a phone that doesnt work inside a moving vehicle....

my heart goes out to these cops...


That's exactly what's needed.

As soon as the engine starts, it blocks all signals to the phone.



Is that necessary? .... every vehicle should have "bluetooth".

Hands free operation.

Even my last portable GPS has bluetooth & voice command.

Maybe phone operation could be disabled unless it's in a cradle & connected to bluetooth.


Studies all over the world have proven that hands free operation is still dangerous.

Engine on = phone off.

Simples!

My phone is put on silent, and then placed in the glove box when I drive.



Then so is operating the car wipers, indicators, radio, rear wipers, flicking swithches even those on your steering column and the cruise control & talking to other people in the car.

The idea of being a capable driver is your ability to multi task and use your peripheral vision.

If you can't use bluetooth to talk to someone .. virtually the same as to a passenger in your car then you shouldn't be driving a vehicle.

Peccar you better stick to a peddle car.


"A hands-free phone conversation while driving is just as dangerous as one using a hand-held phone, with both drivers taking a second longer to react, a Queensland study finds."



So you don't speak to passengers in your car?

When are they going to do a study on that & all the other tasks you do when driving & the effects that has?

Can you ever address a subject without repetitious pedantry?


"... chatty passengers tend to pose less of a risk than mobile phone conversations because they usually moderate the conversation when hazards arise, but someone on the end of the phone is oblivious to other demands on the driver and to non-verbal cues that might otherwise stem the flow of chat." 


Then Peccar it's up to the driver to further multi task by asking his caller or recipient to hang on something is happening ... pretty simples.

You're a nanny state bubble wrapping pedantic.
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Reply #77 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:58pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:52am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:41am:
Passenger conversation is much safer than conversation on the cell phone,’’ said David Strayer, professor of psychology at the University of Utah and the study’s lead author.

“When you’re in the same physical environment, you tend to adjust your discussions to the difficulty of driving. If driving becomes difficult, they stop talking or they point out hazards.’’




I tend to get annoyed if people chatter at me while I'm driving... I'm the one with the mirrors and I am very serious about my driving and like to keep touch with what's around me, and being partly deaf doesn't help either, since any chat often needs repeating and becomes annoying.

Rule #2 - NEVER argue with the driver while he is driving...

People have been known to slam their foot to the floor and crash to shut you up... NEVER enrage the driver with silly argument....

ANY distraction is potentially deadly - a woman with two kids in the back on The Old Northern Road where I used to drive every day lost it and ran off the road and killed both kids.... distracted instead of driving.

Let the driver drive - and nothing else.


Ever been on a Tour Bus?

Drivers have to use the on board PA to give spiels on the sights whilst driving.

Peccar take note.
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Reply #78 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 1:25pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:52am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:41am:
Passenger conversation is much safer than conversation on the cell phone,’’ said David Strayer, professor of psychology at the University of Utah and the study’s lead author.

“When you’re in the same physical environment, you tend to adjust your discussions to the difficulty of driving. If driving becomes difficult, they stop talking or they point out hazards.’’




I tend to get annoyed if people chatter at me while I'm driving... I'm the one with the mirrors and I am very serious about my driving and like to keep touch with what's around me, and being partly deaf doesn't help either, since any chat often needs repeating and becomes annoying.

Rule #2 - NEVER argue with the driver while he is driving...

People have been known to slam their foot to the floor and crash to shut you up... NEVER enrage the driver with silly argument....

ANY distraction is potentially deadly - a woman with two kids in the back on The Old Northern Road where I used to drive every day lost it and ran off the road and killed both kids.... distracted instead of driving.

Let the driver drive - and nothing else.


Ever been on a Tour Bus?

Drivers have to use the on board PA to give spiels on the sights whilst driving.

Peccar take note.


Passenger conversation is much safer than conversation on the cell phone,’’ said David Strayer, professor of psychology at the University of Utah and the study’s lead author.

When you’re in the same physical environment, you tend to adjust your discussions to the difficulty of driving.

"If driving becomes difficult, they stop talking or they point out hazards.
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RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:32am:
I remember a few years back a Truckie arguing that professional drivers like Truckies should have more points as they drive more ...... I actually think the opposite, I would put them on P-Plater points ! If you need your license for income then you really need to respect the law.


I worked as a pizza delivery driver for a couple years the first time I got my provisional licence. I lost my licence the first year of obtaining it, from the accumulation of demerit points. One was from a red light infringement. Another was from not wearing a seatbelt. I had to get a letter from work saying that I needed my licence for work purposes. The judge who saw my appeal to get my licence restored took pity on me for the red light offence. He told me that I should have challenged the ticket because I was just over the line and not running a red light. I would have had a driving without due attention fine instead of a red light offence. Then I would not have had as much of a fine or demerit points against me.

I would assume that, provided it was not a serious accumulation of traffic offences, truckies would argue the same about the need to have a licence for a job. The general idea is that we should not penalise people for using a car for work purposes, unless they have caused serious crashes and/or injured someone.
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Reply #80 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 1:53pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:32am:
I remember a few years back a Truckie arguing that professional drivers like Truckies should have more points as they drive more ...... I actually think the opposite, I would put them on P-Plater points ! If you need your license for income then you really need to respect the law.


I worked as a pizza delivery driver for a couple years the first time I got my provisional licence. I lost my licence the first year of obtaining it, from the accumulation of demerit points. One was from a red light infringement. Another was from not wearing a seatbelt. I had to get a letter from work saying that I needed my licence for work purposes. The judge who saw my appeal to get my licence restored took pity on me for the red light offence. He told me that I should have challenged the ticket because I was just over the line and not running a red light. I would have had a driving without due attention fine instead of a red light offence. Then I would not have had as much of a fine or demerit points against me.

I would assume that, provided it was not a serious accumulation of traffic offences, truckies would argue the same about the need to have a licence for a job. The general idea is that we should not penalise people for using a car for work purposes, unless they have caused serious crashes and/or injured someone.


I couldn't disagree more.

There should be no such thing as an 'Extraordinary Licence'.

If losing your licence means losing your job, good!

Maybe that'll teach them not to do it again.

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The number of times that I did 70 in a 60 zone, or 80 in a 70 zone, or 90 in the only 80 zone (in Parkhurst) during my work days. If I got fined once for speeding, I guess I have to concentrate on my driving speed more thoroughly. But it is so easy to get done over a three year period. So, even if I was not driving my car for work purposes (saying driving a taxi), I could easily lose my licence just in those rare moments of concentrating on my destination and not the journey.

I would think it unfair if I had to catch the taxi to work 5 days a week, simply because of a demerit accumulation. But I would not think it unfair if I was drink driving, texting, in a serious car accident, and/or worse to lose my licence. Getting a licence for work (and being barred from driving for none work matters is a fair practice. But if I lose my licence for work - then it is too bad.
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Reply #82 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:12pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:32am:
I remember a few years back a Truckie arguing that professional drivers like Truckies should have more points as they drive more ...... I actually think the opposite, I would put them on P-Plater points ! If you need your license for income then you really need to respect the law.


I worked as a pizza delivery driver for a couple years the first time I got my provisional licence. I lost my licence the first year of obtaining it, from the accumulation of demerit points. One was from a red light infringement. Another was from not wearing a seatbelt. I had to get a letter from work saying that I needed my licence for work purposes. The judge who saw my appeal to get my licence restored took pity on me for the red light offence. He told me that I should have challenged the ticket because I was just over the line and not running a red light. I would have had a driving without due attention fine instead of a red light offence. Then I would not have had as much of a fine or demerit points against me.

I would assume that, provided it was not a serious accumulation of traffic offences, truckies would argue the same about the need to have a licence for a job. The general idea is that we should not penalise people for using a car for work purposes, unless they have caused serious crashes and/or injured someone.


But a truckie operates a 30 tonne + vehicle public safety is a bigger issue then their desire to meet schedules and get paid more.

When we order take away I just drive down and pick it up delivery drivers can take 30-45 minutes especially if you are at the end of the run.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
The number of times that I did 70 in a 60 zone, or 80 in a 70 zone, or 90 in the only 80 zone (in Parkhurst) during my work days. If I got fined once for speeding, I guess I have to concentrate on my driving speed more thoroughly. But it is so easy to get done over a three year period. So, even if I was not driving my car for work purposes (saying driving a taxi), I could easily lose my licence just in those rare moments of concentrating on my destination and not the journey.

I would think it unfair if I had to catch the taxi to work 5 days a week, simply because of a demerit accumulation. But I would not think it unfair if I was drink driving, texting, in a serious car accident, and/or worse to lose my licence. Getting a licence for work (and being barred from driving for none work matters is a fair practice. But if I lose my licence for work - then it is too bad.


No  there needs to be consequences for breaking the law, its been over a decade since I have been fined and the last one was a pathetic 90 in an 80 zone with no one on the road at about 11pm.

Not sure why you need to catch a taxi to work ..... I assume you have buses/trains/feet ?

Back in the 90's the company I was working for moved to about 8 km's from where I live. The wife use to drop me off with a mountain bike. It was a rather amusing ride home the first 4 km's were a very steep hill followed by another steep hill, got the mountain bike up to 72.9 KPH, you stop pedalling after 55 with the standard gearing. I use to over take cars, got home in 15 minutes or so the last 4km you had to actually pedal.

Look at the e-bike thread in technically speaking a bike like that would be great for short commutes !
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Reply #84 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:28pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 1:53pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:32am:
I remember a few years back a Truckie arguing that professional drivers like Truckies should have more points as they drive more ...... I actually think the opposite, I would put them on P-Plater points ! If you need your license for income then you really need to respect the law.


I worked as a pizza delivery driver for a couple years the first time I got my provisional licence. I lost my licence the first year of obtaining it, from the accumulation of demerit points. One was from a red light infringement. Another was from not wearing a seatbelt. I had to get a letter from work saying that I needed my licence for work purposes. The judge who saw my appeal to get my licence restored took pity on me for the red light offence. He told me that I should have challenged the ticket because I was just over the line and not running a red light. I would have had a driving without due attention fine instead of a red light offence. Then I would not have had as much of a fine or demerit points against me.

I would assume that, provided it was not a serious accumulation of traffic offences, truckies would argue the same about the need to have a licence for a job. The general idea is that we should not penalise people for using a car for work purposes, unless they have caused serious crashes and/or injured someone.


I couldn't disagree more.

There should be no such thing as an 'Extraordinary Licence'.

If losing your licence means losing your job, good!

Maybe that'll teach them not to do it again.



Its all about respect, if you don't respect the law the law won't respect you.

I will admit for someone doing food delivery it would be easy to get done by red lights and suburban speed cameras but the law is the law.
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RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 1:53pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:32am:
I remember a few years back a Truckie arguing that professional drivers like Truckies should have more points as they drive more ...... I actually think the opposite, I would put them on P-Plater points ! If you need your license for income then you really need to respect the law.


I worked as a pizza delivery driver for a couple years the first time I got my provisional licence. I lost my licence the first year of obtaining it, from the accumulation of demerit points. One was from a red light infringement. Another was from not wearing a seatbelt. I had to get a letter from work saying that I needed my licence for work purposes. The judge who saw my appeal to get my licence restored took pity on me for the red light offence. He told me that I should have challenged the ticket because I was just over the line and not running a red light. I would have had a driving without due attention fine instead of a red light offence. Then I would not have had as much of a fine or demerit points against me.

I would assume that, provided it was not a serious accumulation of traffic offences, truckies would argue the same about the need to have a licence for a job. The general idea is that we should not penalise people for using a car for work purposes, unless they have caused serious crashes and/or injured someone.


I couldn't disagree more.

There should be no such thing as an 'Extraordinary Licence'.

If losing your licence means losing your job, good!

Maybe that'll teach them not to do it again.



Its all about respect, if you don't respect the law the law won't respect you.

I will admit for someone doing food delivery it would be easy to get done by red lights and suburban speed cameras but the law is the law.


Indeed.

I don't care what food they're delivering, or how many times a day that deliver it, you don't go through red lights and you don't speed.

Full stop!

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  . chatty passengers tend to pose less of a risk than mobile phone conversations because they usually moderate the conversation when hazards arise, but someone on the end of the phone is oblivious to other demands on the driver and to non-verbal cues that might otherwise stem the flow of chat."      


What a load of shite.

Passengers are even more of a danger.

Noisy kids, annoyed wife, drunk mates.

What planet are you in peccamitty.

It may be ok for being a technology afraid to use mobile phones.
It's true that WA is 50 years behind the rest of the country.

Besides, poofs don't have kids, so you are safe there.
And being unsure of you gender must also be confusing.

So you are not distracted by external stimulae.

BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD?
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  . chatty passengers tend to pose less of a risk than mobile phone conversations because they usually moderate the conversation when hazards arise, but someone on the end of the phone is oblivious to other demands on the driver and to non-verbal cues that might otherwise stem the flow of chat."      


What a load of shite.

Passengers are even more of a danger.

Noisy kids, annoyed wife, drunk mates.


What planet are you in peccamitty.

It may be ok for being a technology afraid to use mobile phones.
It's true that WA is 50 years behind the rest of the country.

Besides, poofs don't have kids, so you are safe there.
And being unsure of you gender must also be confusing.

So you are not distracted by external stimulae.

BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD?


That quote isn't mine.

It's from senior psychology lecturer Dr Graham Hole, of the University of Sussex.

BSc (Hons) Psychology, University College London; PhD University College London

If you think you know better than him, maybe you should let him know.

G.Hole@sussex.ac.uk

I'm sure he'll be interested in your feedback.
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Who to believe - Valkie, or Dr Graham Hole?

http://www.sussex.ac.uk/profiles/1266/research

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RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:12pm:
But a truckie operates a 30 tonne + vehicle public safety is a bigger issue then their desire to meet schedules and get paid more.

When we order take away I just drive down and pick it up delivery drivers can take 30-45 minutes especially if you are at the end of the run.


A truckie has the unfair disadvantage of needing to be at a certain place on a certain schedule. Some commutes are like 800km in 10 hours. Not really possible to do an average 90kmh for 9 hours and an hour for lunch. These truckies crank up the speed to do 110kmh, just to keep their average speed for longer breaks/promptness purposes. Truckies are paid well for their jobs. But they would not need to overdo their speed just to get to their deliveries. Most problems with truckies are usually the fault of the car drivers.

I don't know what you do with yourself if you can't spare 30 minutes waiting for food to be delivered. But in my experience with delivery driving, you are doing delivery drivers a favour. 70% of the business dealings is through people picking up. I remember the feeling of dread assigning deliveries that show and out-the-door time of 30 minutes. I recall the wonder at how the customers might react when you got there. One favourite story I have is when I took a delivery order to some druggo. I quoted him 20 minutes (which is a busy pick up time) for his delivery order. The maker made the order, and I was out the door in 12 minutes. To the customer's home in 15 minutes. The customer seemed like he was joking when he said he had been waiting an hour for his order. I was within 5 minutes earlier than the stated time for his delivery. The guy paid for his order, and I got back from the delivery 3 minutes later and found that the customer had called the manager to talk about lateness. An amazing druggo story, which I never thought would be so bad.
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RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:23pm:
No  there needs to be consequences for breaking the law, its been over a decade since I have been fined and the last one was a pathetic 90 in an 80 zone with no one on the road at about 11pm.


The last genuine speeding fine I got was for 72 in a 60 zone due to a moment of road rage. Incidentally, I was raging about a bogus speeding fine I received two weeks earlier. The police prosecutor at my court case accused me of paying the fine straight away to make my current fine seem more illegitimate. I could not understand his reasoning since it cost me more money and demerit points and made me look like a repeat offender. To date, I have received 4 speeding fines -- 2 being genuine, and 2 bogus. I have had to pay for all of them.

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Not sure why you need to catch a taxi to work ..... I assume you have buses/trains/feet ?


I work in the transport industry and require a car to get to and from work. I also do deliveries from time to time in a truck. If I lose my licence, not only would I have to take an alternate form of transport to work, I would also lose my ability to perform part of my duties.

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Back in the 90's the company I was working for moved to about 8 km's from where I live. The wife use to drop me off with a mountain bike. It was a rather amusing ride home the first 4 km's were a very steep hill followed by another steep hill, got the mountain bike up to 72.9 KPH, you stop pedalling after 55 with the standard gearing. I use to over take cars, got home in 15 minutes or so the last 4km you had to actually pedal.


32kmh on bike is fairly good going average speed. But you must have been crawling the last 4km if it takes you 4 minutes to do the first 4km. 11 minutes to do 4km is less than 20kmh.

I did from home to school on my racing bike in 3 minutes. 2km journey at 40kmh average speed. I think I could get up to 55kmh on the straights and even uphill doing 40+kmh.

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Look at the e-bike thread in technically speaking a bike like that would be great for short commutes !


I am terrible with my mountain bike at the moment. I have not rode the bike in over a year. The bike shop said that they would fix my bike for $60 to good working condition. All I need to do is change the tyre tubes. Then I need to have a reason to start using the bike again. So, I don't need to worry about e-bikes just yet.
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Reply #91 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:47pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 3:28pm:
Who to believe - Valkie, or Dr Graham Hole?

http://www.sussex.ac.uk/profiles/1266/research

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We all know academics are for sale.

Prostitutes who will say anything to obtain funding.

Just look at that mob in QLD who always seem to find exactly what the grubberment want.

This guy is one, UNO, 1 person in a world of several billion people.
He got his funding for this little gem, so he is happy.

Again I reiterate;

If you cannot multitask enough to have a conversation on a phone,
You will never be capable of;
Readin the road for road conditions
Calculating safe cornering speed
Determining, braking distances
Determining when to change lanes
Observe pedestrians
Use the car rdaio
Turning on and off the wipers
Turning on and off the lights
Using blinkers
Using brakes
Using the accelerator
Changing gears
looking at rear view mirrors
looking at the speedo and instruments
Identifying red lights
Identifying traffic signs
acting on same
looking at landscape to determine location
plan a route
etc etc etc

Either you are capable or not

If the answer is not GET OFF THE DAMN ROAD FOOL.

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Reply #92 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:38pm
 
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Who to believe - Valkie, or Dr Graham Hole?

http://www.sussex.ac.uk/profiles/1266/research

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I certainly don't hold with your BS attitude here in regards to bluetooth/handsfree

& talking to people in the car.

Just admit you're a klutz who can't multi task

& you join the myriad of others running rampant on our roads who can't multi task & couldn't drive a greasy stick up a pigs backside.
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Reply #93 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 9:20pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 3:51pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:23pm:
No  there needs to be consequences for breaking the law, its been over a decade since I have been fined and the last one was a pathetic 90 in an 80 zone with no one on the road at about 11pm.



The last genuine speeding fine I got was for 72 in a 60 zone due to a moment of road rage. Incidentally, I was raging about a bogus speeding fine I received two weeks earlier. The police prosecutor at my court case accused me of paying the fine straight away to make my current fine seem more illegitimate. I could not understand his reasoning since it cost me more money and demerit points and made me look like a repeat offender. To date, I have received 4 speeding fines -- 2 being genuine, and 2 bogus. I have had to pay for all of them.

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Not sure why you need to catch a taxi to work ..... I assume you have buses/trains/feet ?


I work in the transport industry and require a car to get to and from work. I also do deliveries from time to time in a truck. If I lose my licence, not only would I have to take an alternate form of transport to work, I would also lose my ability to perform part of my duties.

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Back in the 90's the company I was working for moved to about 8 km's from where I live. The wife use to drop me off with a mountain bike. It was a rather amusing ride home the first 4 km's were a very steep hill followed by another steep hill, got the mountain bike up to 72.9 KPH, you stop pedalling after 55 with the standard gearing. I use to over take cars, got home in 15 minutes or so the last 4km you had to actually pedal.


32kmh on bike is fairly good going average speed. But you must have been crawling the last 4km if it takes you 4 minutes to do the first 4km. 11 minutes to do 4km is less than 20kmh.

I did from home to school on my racing bike in 3 minutes. 2km journey at 40kmh average speed. I think I could get up to 55kmh on the straights and even uphill doing 40+kmh.

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Look at the e-bike thread in technically speaking a bike like that would be great for short commutes !


I am terrible with my mountain bike at the moment. I have not rode the bike in over a year. The bike shop said that they would fix my bike for $60 to good working condition. All I need to do is change the tyre tubes. Then I need to have a reason to start using the bike again. So, I don't need to worry about e-bikes just yet.


Most of the first 4KM I was going about 50 kph minimum not really pedalling..... one weekend I rode the opposite direction took me close to an hour fighting gravity. The last 4 I would have been cruising at 20-30.
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He was on his phone.

Increase the fines for mobile phone use in a car to $2,000 and 6 demerit points (minimum).

Plus, confiscation and destruction of phone.

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I wish this would act a deterrent for most of society. Rather a minority would see this as a deterrent. The lack of obedience with road rules such as speed limits, mobile restrictions and distraction has become a normality in Australia.
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Perhaps we should look at some of the other factors involved in road trauma.

First and foremost is the roads themselves.
Braking, handling, vehicular damage of important components through dreadful and poorly maintained roads.
Bouncing down a broken poorly maintained road with deteriorating gravel, seriously affects the coefficient of friction between the tyres and road.
WE SHOULD BE FINING THE ROADS AND MARINE AND COUNCILS FOR ALLOWING THESE ROADS TO DETERIORATE OR EVEN PERHAPS BUILD THEM PROPERLY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Then there are the vehicles themselves.
Cheap, unroadworthy, unsafe without well maintained steering and braking components.
ONLY NEW CARS LESS THAN. YEARS OLD WITH THE MOST MODERN SAFETY DEVICES SHOULD BE ALLOWED.

The drivers, just like peccamitty, who believe that as long as they don't speed, everything is ok.
Remember that add where the two men get out and discuss the impending accident?
The real message should be, don't pull out in front of an oncoming vehicle if you can't judge it's speed, not the tired old mantra speed kills.
BAN INCOMPETENT DRIVERS FROM THE ROAD,  IF THEY DONT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DRIVE OR MULTITASK, TAKE THEM OFF THE ROAD.

FINALLY, propagating the myth that speed kills and that if you maintain the speed limit you are safe, is like wearing a crucifix around your neck to protect you.
People must realize that safe driving requires many skills, not just driving slowly.
They need to learn to drive safely, in varying conditions, on pathetic, poorly maintained goat tracks.
How many people truly know why rain is so dangerous after a dry spell?
How many can recover from a skid or aquaplaning?
How many can actually emergency brake without ABS through effective application of brakes without locking up?
How many can think ahead and look for a way out of an accident rather than just hitting the brakes and skidding into a head on?

Speed enforcement is a scam.
A lazy, profitable, ineffective and greedy scam.
Perpetrated by a lazy, incompetent, greedy grubberment

You want to save lives?
Do it in the proven effective way.
FIX THE DAMN ROADS.
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Valkie wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:16am:
Perhaps we should look at some of the other factors involved in road trauma.

First and foremost is the roads themselves.
Braking, handling, vehicular damage of important components through dreadful and poorly maintained roads.
Bouncing down a broken poorly maintained road with deteriorating gravel, seriously affects the coefficient of friction between the tyres and road.
WE SHOULD BE FINING THE ROADS AND MARINE AND COUNCILS FOR ALLOWING THESE ROADS TO DETERIORATE OR EVEN PERHAPS BUILD THEM PROPERLY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Then there are the vehicles themselves.
Cheap, unroadworthy, unsafe without well maintained steering and braking components.
ONLY NEW CARS LESS THAN. YEARS OLD WITH THE MOST MODERN SAFETY DEVICES SHOULD BE ALLOWED.

The drivers, just like peccamitty, who believe that as long as they don't speed, everything is ok.
Remember that add where the two men get out and discuss the impending accident?
The real message should be, don't pull out in front of an oncoming vehicle if you can't judge it's speed, not the tired old mantra speed kills.
BAN INCOMPETENT DRIVERS FROM THE ROAD,  IF THEY DONT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DRIVE OR MULTITASK, TAKE THEM OFF THE ROAD.

FINALLY, propagating the myth that speed kills and that if you maintain the speed limit you are safe, is like wearing a crucifix around your neck to protect you.
People must realize that safe driving requires many skills, not just driving slowly.
They need to learn to drive safely, in varying conditions, on pathetic, poorly maintained goat tracks.
How many people truly know why rain is so dangerous after a dry spell?
How many can recover from a skid or aquaplaning?
How many can actually emergency brake without ABS through effective application of brakes without locking up?
How many can think ahead and look for a way out of an accident rather than just hitting the brakes and skidding into a head on?

Speed enforcement is a scam.
A lazy, profitable, ineffective and greedy scam.
Perpetrated by a lazy, incompetent, greedy grubberment

You want to save lives?
Do it in the proven effective way.
FIX THE DAMN ROADS.



No doubt many of our roads are poorly maintained and are continuing to deteriorate, however the correlation between that and dangerous driving is a far fetching comment. The science behind your first point in true, however you add speed, distractions and inexperience into this situation and collectively they cause crashes.

To your next point "pulling out in front of an oncoming vehicle is one of eleven categories with just over 1500 crashes occurring this way in 2016.

Speed is not the sole factor that kills, however it contributes to a vast majority of crashes. Denying statistics and facts that have been provided by governments and various other institutions is ignorant. To further progress my point you cannot simply put out a blanket statement which has no evidence to support this claim. If you can highlight how speeding doesn't kill, provide a reason and statistics instead of just your perception.

According to NSW Transport speed is a factor in over 40% of crashes, if you deny this you are in fact contributing to the problem and the poor culture of todays society. 

At no point did I deny that there were not other factors, of course there are. It would be preposterous to state otherwise.

I don't disagree with your point, there should be much stricter and stringent testing and courses relating to getting you license.

Every single day I drive on the road I get passed by 95% of traffic.....why....because they are speeding. Speeding is a cultural issue that through statistics can be proven as a worthy issue on our roads. The people who highlight it as a profitability are the ones who are getting caught, the ones who slow down for speed camera and speed up once past, the ones who ignore the primary issue pertaining to driving crashes and the primary ones who blame the roads not the human beings driving and in control of the vehicles.
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According to NSW Transport speed is a factor in over 40% of crashes, if you deny this you are in fact contributing to the problem and the poor culture of todays society. 


The saying that there's lies, damn lies and statistics applies here. The "over 40%" used to justify our nanny-state speed enforcement regime is actually made up of several different figures.

- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could NOT have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were NOT speeding at the time of an accident, however their speed was judged to be inappropriate for the conditions anyway.

The government then combines all three and uses it as a justification for more speed cameras, when in reality only a small proportion of accidents are caused by true speed.

It also doesn't wash when you look at figures from other countries. In the UK for example, their government road safety body mentions speed accounting for just 3% of accidents.
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Reply #98 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:35am
 
Stig wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:31am:
goldkam wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:18am:
According to NSW Transport speed is a factor in over 40% of crashes, if you deny this you are in fact contributing to the problem and the poor culture of todays society. 


The saying that there's lies, damn lies and statistics applies here. The "over 40%" used to justify our nanny-state speed enforcement regime is actually made up of several different figures.

- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could NOT have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were NOT speeding at the time of an accident, however their speed was judged to be inappropriate for the conditions anyway.

The government then combines all three and uses it as a justification for more speed cameras, when in reality only a small proportion of accidents are caused by true speed.

It also doesn't wash when you look at figures from other countries. In the UK for example, their government road safety body mentions speed accounting for just 3% of accidents.


When someone falls asleep at the wheel and hits a tree, if it's estimated he was doing 1% over the limit SPEED WAS A FACTOR.
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Reply #99 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 8:01am
 
Stig wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:31am:
goldkam wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:18am:
According to NSW Transport speed is a factor in over 40% of crashes, if you deny this you are in fact contributing to the problem and the poor culture of todays society. 


The saying that there's lies, damn lies and statistics applies here. The "over 40%" used to justify our nanny-state speed enforcement regime is actually made up of several different figures.

- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could NOT have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were NOT speeding at the time of an accident, however their speed was judged to be inappropriate for the conditions anyway.

The government then combines all three and uses it as a justification for more speed cameras, when in reality only a small proportion of accidents are caused by true speed.

It also doesn't wash when you look at figures from other countries. In the UK for example, their government road safety body mentions speed accounting for just 3% of accidents.


in NSW they have 9 different speed limits, that is way too many most suburbs are 50kph with school zones 40kph ..... I don't see the difference in safety or impact at either speed.

So at schools you have kids near roads ..... don't you have that in every suburb ? I have seen kids playing cricket on the road their behaviour doesn't get any better when they are home. 

A road near me starts at 70kph then goes 80 then 90 .... in about 5km ! that is BS should be the same limit all the way through the 80-90 zones the roads are identical. If there is an issue with the road fix don't just reduce the limit like they did !

What is ignored is driver ability not sure how half the drivers got their license they make so many poor judgements on the road. One annoying thing I find is drivers braking then indicating. There seems to be a notion of blinker optimisation which I don't under stand. If you are intending to turn put the blinker on before you need to brake !

As I have stated elsewhere people's ability to emergency brake or control a slide is never tested. I am a trained Rally Driver and a slippy corner surprised me once..... was only doing 40 kph and something on the road made me do a massive under-steer.  On that topic most drivers do not know what over steer or under steer actually is ..... peoples ability to corner even at low speeds I find dangerous most seem to want to cut through corners.

Police test speed / booze / drugs as its easy ...... following drivers and pulling over for other stuff seems off the agenda !
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Gordon wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Stig wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:31am:
goldkam wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:18am:
According to NSW Transport speed is a factor in over 40% of crashes, if you deny this you are in fact contributing to the problem and the poor culture of todays society. 


The saying that there's lies, damn lies and statistics applies here. The "over 40%" used to justify our nanny-state speed enforcement regime is actually made up of several different figures.

- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could NOT have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were NOT speeding at the time of an accident, however their speed was judged to be inappropriate for the conditions anyway.

The government then combines all three and uses it as a justification for more speed cameras, when in reality only a small proportion of accidents are caused by true speed.

It also doesn't wash when you look at figures from other countries. In the UK for example, their government road safety body mentions speed accounting for just 3% of accidents.


When someone falls asleep at the wheel and hits a tree, if it's estimated he was doing 1% over the limit SPEED WAS A FACTOR.


Yep. Or someone three times the legal BAC who was doing 5km/h over the limit and runs off the road.
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Freeway crash driver Aine McGrath was texting before collision, court hears

"Ms McGrath, 26, is on trial in the District Court this week charged with dangerous driving causing Ms Kelly’s death, with prosecutors alleging she was speeding and distracted by her mobile telephone."

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There are NO fatal accidents at 0.05 PCA........... that is one of those fantasies foisted upon us by paid academics with an intellectual Fascist bent....

Beware of freaks bearing grift..... as for Prof. Hole or whatever - good luck to him - he's in England....

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No doubt many of our roads are poorly maintained and are continuing to deteriorate, however the correlation between that and dangerous driving is a far fetching comment. The science behind your first point in true, however you add speed, distractions and inexperience into this situation and collectively they cause crashes.

To your next point "pulling out in front of an oncoming vehicle is one of eleven categories with just over 1500 crashes occurring this way in 2016.

Speed is not the sole factor that kills, however it contributes to a vast majority of crashes. Denying statistics and facts that have been provided by governments and various other institutions is ignorant. To further progress my point you cannot simply put out a blanket statement which has no evidence to support this claim. If you can highlight how speeding doesn't kill, provide a reason and statistics instead of just your perception.

According to NSW Transport speed is a factor in over 40% of crashes, if you deny this you are in fact contributing to the problem and the poor culture of todays society. 

At no point did I deny that there were not other factors, of course there are. It would be preposterous to state otherwise.

I don't disagree with your point, there should be much stricter and stringent testing and courses relating to getting you license.

Every single day I drive on the road I get passed by 95% of traffic.....why....because they are speeding. Speeding is a cultural issue that through statistics can be proven as a worthy issue on our roads. The people who highlight it as a profitability are the ones who are getting caught, the ones who slow down for speed camera and speed up once past, the ones who ignore the primary issue pertaining to driving crashes and the primary ones who blame the roads not the human beings driving and in control of the vehicles.   


Spped, as you have pointed out, will always be involved, however only because you have to actually be moving.

What about the argument,
"If i just went a few Klm/hr faster, I wouldn't have been where the car pulled out at all"

How many accident have been avoided because the car was further down the road than it would have been had it not been speeding?

This is an extrapolation on the illogical argument govco uses to blame speeding.
If the guy in the example had been going faster, he would have been past the guy pulling out before he got to the intersection.
Is this not logical?

You say 95% of driver pass you and you are doing the speed limit, Thats fair enough, no problem.
When I drive with my boat on the back of my car, I travel at what I consider a safe speed.
Usually slower than the posted speed limit and never over 100klm/hr.
This is my choice based on pulling a 1, 1/2 ton boat behind a less than 1 ton of car.

But, if 95% travel faster than you, at the speed limit.
If speed kills why are these 95% of drivers not crashing all over the road?
Why are you not surrounded by carnage?
Because speed itself is not a major factor.
INAPPROPRIATE SPEED IS.

And inappropriate speed can be and often is the posted speed limit under certain conditions.

So, where does that leave us?
Inappropriate speed is the real killer, but its dependent on the conditions and ability of the driver.
This is far too hard for govco, so they look at the lowest common denominator.
Then they post a sped limit without taking into account the other factors.
Therefore they are remiss in not considering these factors.

Then they look at a means by which they can make revenue from the deaths of these people.
Bingo, speed cameras.
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goldkam wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:18am:
According to NSW Transport speed is a factor in over 40% of crashes, if you deny this you are in fact contributing to the problem and the poor culture of todays society. 


The saying that there's lies, damn lies and statistics applies here. The "over 40%" used to justify our nanny-state speed enforcement regime is actually made up of several different figures.

- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could NOT have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were NOT speeding at the time of an accident, however their speed was judged to be inappropriate for the conditions anyway.

The government then combines all three and uses it as a justification for more speed cameras, when in reality only a small proportion of accidents are caused by true speed.

It also doesn't wash when you look at figures from other countries. In the UK for example, their government road safety body mentions speed accounting for just 3% of accidents.




We are far from a nanny state in relation to speed enforcement. I am unable to find those statistics, where it consists of different categories. So I am unsure as to where you conjured that from. Despite that your point is not proven any further. Despite the percentages you may claim there are still accidents due to speeding, highlighting we do have a issue at hand and an undeniable fact. One that needs to be addressed. If speed cameras makes one idiot slow down for 500m I say it is better than nothing. Henceforth, why are you concerned that speed cameras are there if you are doing the speed limit. If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.

3% is still a figure and when put next to the number of accidents in the Uk it is quite alarming. In the UK in 2016 there were over 181,000 road accidents. So if you calculate this and factor in 3% that is just under 6,000 involving speeding. Until that number reduces or is zero speed camera, policing on speed and red light camera should remain in place.


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No doubt many of our roads are poorly maintained and are continuing to deteriorate, however the correlation between that and dangerous driving is a far fetching comment. The science behind your first point in true, however you add speed, distractions and inexperience into this situation and collectively they cause crashes.

To your next point "pulling out in front of an oncoming vehicle is one of eleven categories with just over 1500 crashes occurring this way in 2016.

Speed is not the sole factor that kills, however it contributes to a vast majority of crashes. Denying statistics and facts that have been provided by governments and various other institutions is ignorant. To further progress my point you cannot simply put out a blanket statement which has no evidence to support this claim. If you can highlight how speeding doesn't kill, provide a reason and statistics instead of just your perception.

According to NSW Transport speed is a factor in over 40% of crashes, if you deny this you are in fact contributing to the problem and the poor culture of todays society. 

At no point did I deny that there were not other factors, of course there are. It would be preposterous to state otherwise.

I don't disagree with your point, there should be much stricter and stringent testing and courses relating to getting you license.

Every single day I drive on the road I get passed by 95% of traffic.....why....because they are speeding. Speeding is a cultural issue that through statistics can be proven as a worthy issue on our roads. The people who highlight it as a profitability are the ones who are getting caught, the ones who slow down for speed camera and speed up once past, the ones who ignore the primary issue pertaining to driving crashes and the primary ones who blame the roads not the human beings driving and in control of the vehicles.   


Spped, as you have pointed out, will always be involved, however only because you have to actually be moving.

What about the argument,
"If i just went a few Klm/hr faster, I wouldn't have been where the car pulled out at all"

How many accident have been avoided because the car was further down the road than it would have been had it not been speeding?

This is an extrapolation on the illogical argument govco uses to blame speeding.
If the guy in the example had been going faster, he would have been past the guy pulling out before he got to the intersection.
Is this not logical?

You say 95% of driver pass you and you are doing the speed limit, Thats fair enough, no problem.
When I drive with my boat on the back of my car, I travel at what I consider a safe speed.
Usually slower than the posted speed limit and never over 100klm/hr.
This is my choice based on pulling a 1, 1/2 ton boat behind a less than 1 ton of car.

But, if 95% travel faster than you, at the speed limit.
If speed kills why are these 95% of drivers not crashing all over the road?
Why are you not surrounded by carnage?
Because speed itself is not a major factor.
INAPPROPRIATE SPEED IS.

And inappropriate speed can be and often is the posted speed limit under certain conditions.

So, where does that leave us?
Inappropriate speed is the real killer, but its dependent on the conditions and ability of the driver.
This is far too hard for govco, so they look at the lowest common denominator.
Then they post a sped limit without taking into account the other factors.
Therefore they are remiss in not considering these factors.

Then they look at a means by which they can make revenue from the deaths of these people.
Bingo, speed cameras.



To your first point to apply this to every situation is absurd, which is the reason why I have not. However every kilometre makes a difference, I support this point through scientific research and scientific tests. I will explain how that guy who pulls out in front could either get cleaned up or be missed. If the listed speed was, for arguments sake 60km/hr and an individual was speeding doing say 80km/hr. It would take 24 metres longer to stop, 24 metres that that one car behind may not have. No doubt I am not denying speed is the primary or sole factor but please do not deny that slowing down a few kilometres won't make a difference. It is proven empirically. Explain that to families who have lost their children or family members on the road, in cases it does happen, your point is logical in some circumstances.

To your second point. I have stated it in this post and others. Please don't put words in my mouth. I have stipulated it is a primary causer of road accidents, highlighted through 40% of road accidents being attributed to by speed. Your statement is similar to a proposition such as this "95% of people I saw today were fathers.....that means 95% are domestic violence perpetrators.

I do agree with you that yes inappropriate speed is also a factor, a major factor. I pose this....if you are doing nothing wrong on the roads why are speed cameras a concern. If they slow down one idiot from 100km/hr to 60km/hr, well I say it is worth it. Precaution is necessary.   
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Reply #106 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 4:05am
 
You see, this is how the mantra works.
"Speed kills"
Repeat it often enough, put forward enough false arguments, and people believe it.

It's called PROPAGANDA,  convince the masses with what ever facts you present.

Speed does not kill.
If speed killed, 90 percent of the population, hell  percent of the population would be dead.
Speed is an intangible, distance over time.

Aircraft travel many many times faster than a car can.
Does that make it more dangerous?
Of course not.

But in certain condition with specific parameters, speed can be a contributing factor.
40% is rubbish.
We know the grubberment will not give up this lucrative revenue stream, so they propagate lies to justify the stupidity of speed enforcement.
Accurate honest studies from overseas have found that less than 10% of accidents are directly caused by speeding (inappropriate speed)
It would be illogical to think Australia would be any different.

Assuming speeding (inappropriate speed) contributes to let's say 15% of accidents.
What does the other 85% represent?
Drunk, drugged, defective vehicles, just plain incompetent drivers, poor roads, bad design etc etc etc.

But we have a greedy, lazy grubberment who love speed regulation.
It's easy, proven without any real cost, and is instant money.
90% of the grubberment policy on preventing road trauma is focussed on speed detection, in most cases, AFTER THE FACT.
In other words, not stopping it at the time of the incident, but weeks or months later FINING the person.
Is this a policy designed to stop an act, or simply to raise revenue?

Policing drug use, alcohol abuse, bad driving, defective vehicles and, heaven forbid, fixing roads, all cost money.
What's a few lives to the grubberment when they can greedily suck money from drivers going a few klm/hr over the speed limit while still driving safely and well within their capability.
The grubberment will continue the false mantra about speed kills.
Because it wants your money.
It cares not about you or your family as anything other than a revenue stream.

FIX the roads
Get defective vehicles off the road.
Get bad drivers off the road
Get the drunk and drugged off the road
These are the things that would lower the road toll
Not booking people for travelling a snakes pace faster than some fictitious speed limit.

In 40 years of driving I have had 3 cars written off.
Two while stationary.
All three have involved the other drivers being drunk.
Just think, if drunk drivers had not been on the road, these would not have happened.
In none of the accidents were either I nor the drunk speeding.

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goldkam wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:03pm:
Stig wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:31am:
goldkam wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:18am:
According to NSW Transport speed is a factor in over 40% of crashes, if you deny this you are in fact contributing to the problem and the poor culture of todays society. 


The saying that there's lies, damn lies and statistics applies here. The "over 40%" used to justify our nanny-state speed enforcement regime is actually made up of several different figures.

- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were speeding at the time of an accident, and could NOT have avoided the accident if they weren't speeding
- vehicles that were NOT speeding at the time of an accident, however their speed was judged to be inappropriate for the conditions anyway.

The government then combines all three and uses it as a justification for more speed cameras, when in reality only a small proportion of accidents are caused by true speed.

It also doesn't wash when you look at figures from other countries. In the UK for example, their government road safety body mentions speed accounting for just 3% of accidents.




We are far from a nanny state in relation to speed enforcement. I am unable to find those statistics, where it consists of different categories. So I am unsure as to where you conjured that from. Despite that your point is not proven any further.


Yes it is - here:- http://roadsafety.mccofnsw.org.au/a/49.html

Perhaps you should ask yourself why the RMS view of speeding in relation to accidents is so vastly out of kilter compared to statistics from other countries.

As for speed cameras - they are designed mostly to catch low range speeders and gather revenue. The idiot who is drunk and doing twice the limit towards your kids at a pedestrian crossing isn't stopped by sending him a letter two weeks later in the mail.

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Reply #108 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 9:47pm
 
To your first point. My arguments are supported by facts and statistics from both the NSW Government, NSW Police and third party sites. It seems everyone wants to deny these facts and replace them with interpretations or "false arguments" based on experience or what was fed to them. If we are going to be that critical and deny facts and statistics society everyone may as well question and put forth broad statements, for instance a simple statement such as "Australia's population is 24.13 million" or "Australia's road deaths in 2017 were 1,225" should now be questioned. It is absurd.

To your second point. We are not living in the Stalinist era of the Soviet Union or North Korea under the dictatorship of Kim Jong Un. Statistics and facts from reputable sources, check the definition and introduce yourself to statistics and facts. Don't disguise your ignorance with propaganda.

To your third point. You seem to be altering and manipulating my original argument.  I have never stated speeding is the sole factor for killing on our roads. When combining it with poor driving, dangerous or wet conditions, distractions and other drivers (according to statistics, because I utilise statistics to prove my points not merely what I have heard) it is one of the primary factors. From that statement it highlights you believe speed does not play any factor in deaths or accidents on our roads, which is being highly ignorant and negligent.

To your fourth point. To make a statement such as this one highlights the instability of your argument. So a V8 Supercar or Aussie Racing Cars for example are travelling at higher speeds.....does that make it more dangerous. To an extent yes however they to have higher bands of safety in relation to construction, handling and maintenance that ensure they can handle the speeds. The same notions apply to planes. This does not prove to me your point any further by putting forth such an interpretive and far reaching statement.

To your next point. It is all well and good to inform myself of certain percentages but without referencing a source or providing a website highlights your point has no integrity or validity. From this what you are essentially implying is Australia is not different in any way to other countries, with no good reason or validation. We in fact are very different culturally, economically, population wise and societally. This further indicates the weakness of your argument.

To your sixth point. No doubt it does, I have never and will never deny any of them as not factors involved in road accidents.

To your next point. Speed limits have been in place since the early 1900's. Thus speeding obviously on a different level has been 'raising money' for decades. Thus for you to state the government (or "gruberment") as a singular noun, makes me question whether your real issue is the speeding, or just the current government. To add onto this notion I am not denying the government is leading Australia in a positive or advantageous way, far from it.

To your eighth point. Another clear example of you creating statistics based on merely perception rather than fact. If this is factual provide details or sources from which these details are from.

The main federal legislation pertaining to driving but not solely related to speeding includes the following:
Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989, Motor Vehicle Standards Regulations 1989 and Road Transport Act (this act contains 2 of over 30 parts pertaining to speeding)

The link to support this notion- austilli.com.au

This highlights the instability and lack of integrity relating to your arguments, as only a small amount of one piece of legislation pertains to speeding.

To your next point. Your not a revenue stream if your doing the correct thing and obeying the law. If you are not doing anything wrong, why would you perceive yourself as a revenue stream (in relation to speeding) ???

I don't disagree with the problems you have listed, they too need to be addressed.

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So statistics mean there is no leeway for personal or individual differences?

Sounds hopelessly Stalinist to me....
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Stig wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 7:07am:
Yes it is - here:- http://roadsafety.mccofnsw.org.au/a/49.html

Perhaps you should ask yourself why the RMS view of speeding in relation to accidents is so vastly out of kilter compared to statistics from other countries.

As for speed cameras - they are designed mostly to catch low range speeders and gather revenue. The idiot who is drunk and doing twice the limit towards your kids at a pedestrian crossing isn't stopped by sending him a letter two weeks later in the mail.



As is their PCA - NO nation of the West has a reading under 0.08...... yet we apply the ludicrous standard of two schooners in an hour........

You have to ask yourself why... I do....

My answer is that it gives the government a measure of social control and allows it to generate 'created criminals' for doing something mundane and ordinary, and it allows that government to take money out of the pockets of the 'lower' in order to sustain itself in its self appointed supreme position in society, rather than it being a servant of society and the people who compose it.

Take a clear and unemotional and unbiased look at certain other areas in which the ordinary citizen can be instantly turned into a 'created criminal', and thus will lose personal and political power..... and ask yourself the reason why...... that's the way it's been here for 230 years.... only now is it beginning to become apparent to many that this is nothing but a control game..... and has nothing to do with law and its properly intended use.

Law is not sacred - and it can be perverted to any of a number of uses and purposes ... some keep ranting about North Korea... Kim Ill Dong is there by 'lawful' exercise of the 'democratic rights' of the people... so was every other despotic dicator in history......

Law is not just an end in itself... it is the path by which reason and humanity may prevail.......

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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 22nd, 2018 at 1:54am:
So statistics mean there is no leeway for personal or individual differences?

Sounds hopelessly Stalinist to me....


No, statistics aid in supporting what your opinion is. When comparing statistics and facts by one person against opinion and personal experience by another it is clear which one provides the better and clearer argument.

To your point I never highlighted that notion, this was implied by you.

You seem to be accusing me of aligning myself with Stalinist doctrine. Stalin never supported himself with facts or statistics during his rule in the Soviet Union. He merely backed his acts by authority and superiority. What I am doing is far more Marxist and following purist communism.

Do you actually understand that what Stalinist means???      
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Yes!

"WA’s former top cop has urged the State Government to dramatically increase penalties for using a mobile phone while driving to more accurately reflect the deadly threat that distracted drivers pose.

"Former police commissioner Karl O’Callaghan said current penalties were having little impact on driver behaviour and he believed motorists should instead be hit with a more serious offence such as dangerous driving which carried a fine of up to $3000 and six demerit points for first offenders.

"Second offenders would face an automatic 12-month licence ban and the possibility of up to nine months in prison and a $6000 fine."


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goldkam

To your first point to apply this to every situation is absurd, which is the reason why I have not. However every kilometre makes a difference, I support this point through scientific research and scientific tests. I will explain how that guy who pulls out in front could either get cleaned up or be missed. If the listed speed was, for arguments sake 60km/hr and an individual was speeding doing say 80km/hr. It would take 24 metres longer to stop, 24 metres that that one car behind may not have. No doubt I am not denying speed is the primary or sole factor but please do not deny that slowing down a few kilometres won't make a difference. It is proven empirically. Explain that to families who have lost their children or family members on the road, in cases it does happen, your point is logical in some circumstances.

To your second point. I have stated it in this post and others. Please don't put words in my mouth. I have stipulated it is a primary causer of road accidents, highlighted through 40% of road accidents being attributed to by speed. Your statement is similar to a proposition such as this "95% of people I saw today were fathers.....that means 95% are domestic violence perpetrators.

I do agree with you that yes inappropriate speed is also a factor, a major factor. I pose this....if you are doing nothing wrong on the roads why are speed cameras a concern. If they slow down one idiot from 100km/hr to 60km/hr, well I say it is worth it. Precaution is necessary.   


I kind of agree and disagree they seem to collect stats or BS a lot about speed and alcohol .... if some one blows over then the cause is alcohol that is not the root cause it was what they do wrong .. many drivers are bad sober getting drunk just makes them worse...... in reality speed and alcohol are usually contributing factors.

Where I agree a driver has limits on how fast they can go before there ability to be safe is compromised same with booze watch mythbusters on this and it does not take much booze to see the effects.

What they don't do is measure poor driver behaviour even when an accident occurs. What they need to do is more intense driver training and testing. Not defending drink driving or speeding.


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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2018 at 10:48am:
Yes!

"WA’s former top cop has urged the State Government to dramatically increase penalties for using a mobile phone while driving to more accurately reflect the deadly threat that distracted drivers pose.

"Former police commissioner Karl O’Callaghan said current penalties were having little impact on driver behaviour and he believed motorists should instead be hit with a more serious offence such as dangerous driving which carried a fine of up to $3000 and six demerit points for first offenders.

"Second offenders would face an automatic 12-month licence ban and the possibility of up to nine months in prison and a $6000 fine."


Now we're talking.



Should be double that if they are texting
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Perth woman who lost her partner to texting driver wants phone blockers to be installed in all vehicles

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"TextStopper is one firm that has developed a device that blocks calls, texts and social media alerts from displaying on a phone while driving."



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From my friend, Tom:

"Seizing mobile phones, cutting user accounts or installing jamming devices in vehicles might be worth looking at, but the perfect solution is far from clear."

Tom Percy: Offenders should cop more than fines for phone use
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Reply #117 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 5:02am
 
You want to really save lives?

Ban alcohol, totally, no more grog at all

Death penalty for making it.

Then get serious about drugs.

Grab addicts off the street, dry them out without any help, just shove them into a room until they dry out, then put them back on the street.

Death penalty for making or dealing drugs.

Finally
Make everyone do a driving test, a full one both high speed and city driving, with a 90% minimum pass mark, every 5 years.

That will bring the road toll down 50,60,70%

But it will cost the grubberment in
Enforcement
Taxes
And people no longer being able to drive so no revenue from
Petrol
Car tax
Rego
And all the little fines they get

Plus
The grubberment would have to get public transport up to third world or possibly even second world level if they want people to pay income tax when they can get to work

These bull shite road rules are simply the grubberment playing at pretending to be doing something while reaping cash for doing nuffink.

Grubs, theives, the largest criminal organization in the world
THE AUSTRALIAN GRUBBERMENT.
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A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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