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Reply #345 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 6:23pm
 
Panther wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 6:17pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 5:59pm:
While there is such a massive 'wankfest' over the 2nd amendment, it is worth noting that the courts have ruled that there is NO SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTION to 'weapon of war' which includes all assault weapons such as the AR15. banning the AR15 is a mere legislative endeavour and not subject to SCOTUS ruling as unconstitutional.  What a clever person would quickly work out - thus excluding gun lovers - is that the right to 'bear arms' would rapidly become unlimited if this ruling were not employed. RPGs would be legal. Artillery could be legal. Shoulder mounted MISSILE launchers would be legal. And why not?  All the owner is doing is 'bearing arms'. With a stretch, you could include helicopter gunships - although prohibitively expensive.

So most of this debate is not about the constitution at all. It is about weirdos defending their alleged right - which does not exist - to have assault weapons that at the time the amendment was written was unthinkable. 50 men with AR15s could have won the war of independence on their own. 15 with RPGs could have on it while a mere SINGLE INDIVIDUAL with an Apache helicopter could have done it.

Clearly, the framers of this amendment did not have in mind advanced weapons of war in mind, nor would any sane individual.

Of course none of this matters when all you want is a gun so you can feel powerful and need one to protect yourself against... other beta males with a gun and a deficient self-image.


The US Constitution is the Law of the Land in America,
& President Trump is the President.
Can't deal with that ...that's your problem, not America's!!  Grin
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they do not like the democratic system panther ,they are commie pinkos ...

poor bastards .

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Reply #346 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:20pm
 
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To stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun.


No, you dickhead, you make sure the bad guy
can't get a gun!


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Reply #347 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:34pm
 
The second amendment was never meant to protect the right of people to murder children in schools but that is exactly what it has become.
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Reply #348 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:58pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:20pm:
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To stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun.


No, you dickhead, you make sure the bad guy
can't get a gun!


Angry


never heard of the black market hmm ?

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Reply #349 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:01pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:20pm:
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To stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun.


No, you dickhead, you make sure the bad guy
can't get a gun!


Angry


never heard of the black market hmm ?

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No.....you idiot.

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Reply #350 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:01pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:01pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Quote:
To stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun.


No, you dickhead, you make sure the bad guy
can't get a gun!


Angry


never heard of the black market hmm ?

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


No.....you idiot.

Angry


how do you make sure bad guys do not get guns ???

go right ahead and tell us presuming you are not a dickhead

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Reply #351 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:07pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:20pm:
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To stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun.


No, you dickhead, you make sure the bad guy
can't get a gun!


Angry


never heard of the black market hmm ?

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


How does that black market in guns go in Australia ??? They said that about here too you know.

There would be some but not that many.
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Reply #352 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:08pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:07pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Quote:
To stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun.


No, you dickhead, you make sure the bad guy
can't get a gun!


Angry


never heard of the black market hmm ?

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


How does that black market in guns go in Australia ??? They said that about here too you know.

There would be some but not that many.



oh dear !!!! lol !!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #353 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:23pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:20pm:
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To stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun.


No, you dickhead, you make sure the bad guy
can't get a gun!


Angry


No fella, in America you want him to have a gun, so when you send him to hell chewin' a FMJ, you can claim self-defense, & you stood your ground.......Gotta love it, but what's even better that that.....in America he doesn't even need the gun, you just have to convince the cops you though he did & you were in ....get this.....you were in fear of yer life!!!  They'll erect a bloody statue in your honor in Florida mate.....freekin' great!!!
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Now, like my satire.......it's all based on actual fact...true....made way more sense than your half-ass statement....Make sure he can't get a gun....... Grin Grin Grin......you for real?? or you just chewin' peyote buttons mate.....

In America, anyone, any time, can get an illegal gun if they want one....& if you ban all the guns in America, they still will, for the next 100 years or so!! You live in a Fantasy World if you think otherwise!! Grin Grin Grin



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Reply #354 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:33pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:20pm:
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To stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun.


No, you dickhead, you make sure the bad guy
can't get a gun!


Angry



And yet our draconian gun laws do nothing to stop 'bad guys' from getting hold of semi-autos or any other gun they may want.


So if not pointless legislation that only affects law abiding citizens, how do you stop 'bad guys' from getting guns?
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Reply #355 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:48pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:33pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:20pm:
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To stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun.


No, you dickhead, you make sure the bad guy
can't get a gun!


Angry



And yet our draconian gun laws do nothing to stop 'bad guys' from getting hold of semi-autos or any other gun they may want.


So if not pointless legislation that only affects law abiding citizens, how do you stop 'bad guys' from getting guns?


You have noticed that it isn't organised criminals going into schools and killing students ?

It is the kind of nutters who would find it difficult to get their hands on a gun.
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Reply #356 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 9:45pm
 
Panther wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 5:11pm:
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In the United States of America you can not effectively "CHANGE" gun laws without "CHANGING" the U.S. Constitution.


In the past, the US Government has chosen to regulate ownership of certain types of firearms.   You cannot own a fully-automatic machine gun, without having a license and that entails strict background checks.    The NRA has accepted that and other regulations.

What has changed?  Oh, the leadership of the NRA has changed.   They are much more aggressive in their lobbying and provision of funds to politicians that they favour.

Funny how the interpretation of the magical second amendment has changed as well.

So, how soon before the NRA advocates that all Americans should have free and unfettered access to fully-automatic firearms?   I wonder.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


[What has changed? Nothing has changed. The NRA still accepts those laws on Full-Automatics.

The NRA & over 80 million American gun owners do not see AR-15 as an assault weapon, & matter-in-factly they see it as a brilliant hunting rifle & excellent for self-defense purposes, which in America all firearms are fully legal to be used in that manner.

As far as large magazines, I'm unaware of any semi-automatic gun owner that believes restricting the size of the magazine would make everyone safer, on the contrary. And JFYI, the NRA believes this as well....so do I.

I like, & approve of the way the NRA has been spending my yearly membership dues. Wink


And now we hear the dissembling.  How the NRA hasn't changed.  How the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment hasn't changed.

Well guess what?  It has changed and it has changed markedly from what was originally intended by the framers of the Constitution.  It can change again.  All that is required is a Government with balls sufficient enough to put the NRA in it's place.   The NRA is not all powerful.  However, el Presidente' Trump is not that man.   Roll Eyes

Oh, and the AR-15 is a lousy hunting rifle.  The round is too light, it is inaccurate and unreliable.  It suffers too many stoppages and is prone to losing it's magazines, once the magazine catch becomes worn..

I used to carry an M16 when I served in the Australian Army.   The only difference between the M16 and the AR-15 is that the sear is set to prevent fully automatic fire (but hey, that can be fixed, now can't it?).   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #357 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 9:50pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:48pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:33pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Quote:
To stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun.


No, you dickhead, you make sure the bad guy
can't get a gun!


Angry



And yet our draconian gun laws do nothing to stop 'bad guys' from getting hold of semi-autos or any other gun they may want.


So if not pointless legislation that only affects law abiding citizens, how do you stop 'bad guys' from getting guns?


You have noticed that it isn't organised criminals going into schools and killing students ?

It is the kind of nutters who would find it difficult to get their hands on a gun.



So it maybe something other than the existence of the gun, mightn't it?

We have some pretty violent crims who have access to semi-autos, still no mass murders. But your reference to the fact that these clowns are mentally fkked up may just be the issue, as with any country that suffers from mass shootings.

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The progressive rot in our culture is to blame, not some tool used legally by millions everyday. We will not take the blame and if the NRA leadership chooses to compromise they can be replaced. The evil little bastard that murdered and maimed so many people must feel famous to know he is now the center of so much Media attention! The Media makes these nobodies into world class celebrities speaking their names and showing their images constantly as long as they have the publics attention. No, it isn't the gun. It's the 50 years of liberal, progressive indoctrination fed to the American children! 
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Reply #359 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 2:51am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 10:53pm:
The progressive rot in our culture is to blame, not some tool used legally by millions everyday.


No, its the guns and ease of access to them for conservative/white nationalists children. Dylann Roof, for example, was hardly "progressive." Nice try, Textard.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 10:53pm:
We will not take the blame and if the NRA leadership chooses to compromise they can be replaced.

Of course not. But you will take the NRA blood money.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 10:53pm:
The evil little bastard that murdered and maimed so many people must feel famous to know he is now the center of so much Media attention! The Media makes these nobodies into world class celebrities speaking their names and showing their images constantly as long as they have the publics attention.

Do you have point here at all, Textard? If anything, the media refuses to say the name of the shooter(s) in most cases other than to confirm that fact it was another racist, white nationalist male who uses NRA loopholes to terrorize innocent people.


Mortdooley wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 10:53pm:
No, it isn't the gun. It's the 50 years of liberal, progressive indoctrination fed to the American children! 


Nope. Pretty sure it's the guns. America's youth recognize that the wave of mass killings testifies to a deep-rooted sickness of American society. Something a Textards like yourself wil never understand. As in the words of Justin Gruber, who hid in a classroom closet as Cruz gunned down his classmates, “I was born into a world where I never got to experience safety and peace."

Hardy progressive

And, while we are on your Textard stupidity, since 2000, the CDC has reported that Since 2000, there have been 270,000 murders in the US, 600,000 drug overdoses (200,000 involving opioids), 650,000 suicides (130,000 by veterans), and 85,000 workplace deaths. An estimated 700,000 people have died prematurely during this period due to lack of health care. Police killed over 12,000 people from 2000 to 2014, and up to 27,000 immigrants have died attempting to cross the US-Mexico border since 1998. The government has executed roughly 850 prisoners since 2000. Over 2.2 million adults are currently incarcerated in jails and prisons, with another 4.7 million on probation or parole.

Hardly progressive

Please, just shut the bugger up, Textard or take your white nationalist little dick gun toting "indoctrination" bullshit elsewhere.
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