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Baronvonrort Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17452 Gender:	Australian machine gun Feb 14^th, 2018 at 8:58pm Evelyn Owen made this machine gun, it took less than 1 day to machine it up in a workshop. A very reliable machine gun used by Aussies, Kiwis and the USA in WW2
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20217 Gordon Gender:	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #1 - Feb 14^th, 2018 at 9:03pm Even used until 1960s in Vietnam
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20948 A cat with a view	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #2 - Feb 14^th, 2018 at 9:07pm More correctly..... Australian sub-machine gun Never seen one 'in the flesh'. But by reputation, one of the best small arms every built.
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Reply #3 - Feb 14^th, 2018 at 9:18pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 14^th, 2018 at 9:03pm:

Even used until 1960s in Vietnam

Criminals are making them, a very simple design easy to make.

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Submachine-guns found in weapons factory

The discovery of an underground weapons factory in Melbourne producing submachine-guns fitted with silencers is a dangerous development in the context of the city's gangland war, federal Justice Minister Chris Ellison warned yesterday.

He revealed that three Owen submachine-guns and parts to make another six had been seized from a building in Melbourne's south-east.
The Australian Crime Commission and the Victoria Police carried out the raid last month.

Senator Ellison said the weapons were being made on the property but he would not say exactly where it was.
"There is no doubt that if you manufacture an Owen submachine-gun with a 30 round clip to go with it that is a very serious weapon indeed," Senator Ellison told The Age.
"It's not designed for duck shooting. These are highly dangerous weapons.

"In view of the situation in Victoria, the seizure is of even more significance.
"These weapons could see an escalation of violence - there's no doubt about that.
"These are very powerful weapons, tailor-made for criminals and serious criminals."
Senator Ellison said investigators were still trying to ascertain the weapons' destination.

Senator Ellison said it was particularly worrying that the Owen guns were being made in Australia.

https://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/22/1090464799535.html

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Reply #4 - Feb 14^th, 2018 at 9:20pm

I've handled and fired an Owen Gun. Very nice, albeit a little heavy weapon. Interesting strip and assemble sequence. It was the best SMG in WWII. It could be immersed in mud, sand, burnt and it would still work. It lead the way in post-war SMG design and many aspects of it's design were copied in the Patchet and Stirling SMGs. Cool

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Reply #5 - Feb 14^th, 2018 at 10:25pm

It would be handy to have one if you faced a home invasion.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/woman-slapped-in-the-face-by-young-thugs-in-series-o...

"All of the offenders are described by the victims as African youth, so our investigation is focusing on that," Commander Barrett said.

A Melbourne woman was slapped across the face and forced to sit in her front room as a dozen "thugs" ransacked her house in a terrifying home invasion.

Police believe the same young men could be linked to two other street assaults on teenage boys and another home invasion in a violent crime spree in the city's west on Thursday night.

"This is incredibly concerning, the behaviours are abhorrent, it's just thuggish behaviour," Commander Russell Barrett told reporters on Friday.

The 59-year-old woman was struck across the face as the men, described as being of African appearance, smashed the glass door at her Hillside home at 11.30pm on Thursday.

She was forced to sit in her front room as about a dozen men went through her house, stealing electrical items and car keys before they left.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20948 A cat with a view	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #6 - Feb 14^th, 2018 at 10:46pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2018 at 10:25pm: It would be handy to have one if you faced a home invasion. Nah. I would much more, prefer a 12g pump for that scenario.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95101 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #7 - Feb 14^th, 2018 at 10:56pm Yadda wrote on Feb 14^th, 2018 at 10:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2018 at 10:25pm: It would be handy to have one if you faced a home invasion. Nah. I would much more, prefer a 12g pump for that scenario. No one of these would be good too: A home invasion defense weapon.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 39487	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #8 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 12:29am Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Espousing violence you two? Tsk, tsk. There are so many assumptions in your posts that are false. So, so, silly. If you want to live in the USA, go for it. However, Australia is a much more peaceful society, by and large, and householders don't need SMGs or shotguns - thankfully.
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Reply #9 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 5:37am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 12:29am:

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Espousing violence you two? Tsk, tsk. There are so many assumptions in your posts that are false. So, so, silly. If you want to live in the USA, go for it. However, Australia is a much more peaceful society, by and large, and householders don't need SMGs or shotguns - thankfully. Roll Eyes

How should people defend themselves against home invasions
by large gangs of criminals?

a dozen "thugs" ransacked her house in a terrifying home invasion.

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Reply #10 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 8:32am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2018 at 9:20pm:

I've handled and fired an Owen Gun. Very nice, albeit a little heavy weapon. Interesting strip and assemble sequence. It was the best SMG in WWII. It could be immersed in mud, sand, burnt and it would still work. It lead the way in post-war SMG design and many aspects of it's design were copied in the Patchet and Stirling SMGs.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 12:29am:

assumptions in your posts that are false. So, so, silly. If you want to live in the USA, go for it. However, Australia is a much more peaceful society, by and large, and householders don't need SMGs or shotguns - thankfully.

Why are you such a contradictory fvvkwit bwwwwian?

It's okay for you to expound about your little foray into firing that weapon, and then whine about a 'more peaceful society' where guns have no place when somebody else posts on the subject.........you're an idiot!

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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #11 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 8:34am Incidentally, that gun is just a variation of the British Sten Gun......sometimes referred to as a Bren Gun..........
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Reply #12 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 9:22am

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 8:34am:

Incidentally, that gun is just a variation of the British Sten Gun

No it isn't.

Don't embarrass yourself.

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 8:34am:

....that gun is just a variation of the British Sten Gun......sometimes referred to as a Bren Gun..........

No it isn't.

The Owen Gun is a sub-machine gun.

The Bren Gun is an entirely different weapon, the Bren Gun is a light machine gun [which fires a full power military cartridge].

Google;
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #13 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 9:25am Fuzzball wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 8:34am: Incidentally, that gun is just a variation of the British Sten Gun......sometimes referred to as a Bren Gun.......... No its not.
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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #14 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 9:43am Now you're 'embarrassing yourself' idiot. The Sten is a lightweight sub-machine gun...... Look it up you fvvkwit.
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Reply #15 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 9:58am

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 9:43am:

Now you're 'embarrassing yourself' idiot. The Sten is a lightweight sub-machine gun......

Look it up you fvvkwit.

If you're talking to me I'm well aware of what the Sten gun is, and how its not the Bren gun.

The Sten as a sub machine gun where the magazine inserted on the left hand side of the barrel.

The Bren was a light machine gun derived from a Czech design where the magazine inserted on the top of the barrel. The Bren name is not a shortening of British Sten, but from Br for Brno and En for Enfield Arms.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #16 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 10:03am I never said it was a shortening of the name idiot.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #17 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 10:05am Fuzzball wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 8:34am: Incidentally, that gun is just a variation of the British Sten Gun......sometimes referred to as a Bren Gun.......... No this is incorrect.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #18 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 10:06am Fuzzball wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 10:03am: I never said it was a shortening of the name idiot. Either way...wrong.
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Reply #19 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 2:33pm

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 8:32am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2018 at 9:20pm:

I've handled and fired an Owen Gun. Very nice, albeit a little heavy weapon. Interesting strip and assemble sequence. It was the best SMG in WWII. It could be immersed in mud, sand, burnt and it would still work. It lead the way in post-war SMG design and many aspects of it's design were copied in the Patchet and Stirling SMGs.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 12:29am:

assumptions in your posts that are false. So, so, silly. If you want to live in the USA, go for it. However, Australia is a much more peaceful society, by and large, and householders don't need SMGs or shotguns - thankfully.

Why are you such a contradictory fvvkwit bwwwwian?

It's okay for you to expound about your little foray into firing that weapon, and then whine about a 'more peaceful society' where guns have no place when somebody else posts on the subject.........you're an idiot!

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Resorting to ad hominem debate? Tsk, tsk. I offered my experience from when I served in the Australian Army. The Owen was owned by a Range Control where I learnt to administer a Static Mechanical Range (SMR). If you were liked, they would occasionally bring it and an Austen SMG out and allow you to fire them. I was so lucky. I have no worries with members of the military being allowed to fire fully automatic weapons. However, for civilians, it is illegal (and for good reason, too). Roll Eyes

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Reply #20 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 2:40pm

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 8:34am:

Incidentally, that gun is just a variation of the British Sten Gun......sometimes referred to as a Bren Gun..........

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. You really are quite ignorant, aren't you? The Sten or "Woolworth's Gun" as the British Army named it was far more primitive in it's construction and action than the Owen Gun was. The Owen Gun featured spiral cut outs in it's bolt, which allowed it to clear obstructions which would normally prevent a Sten Gun from from firing, such as sand or mud. The Owen also featured a positive safety lock, which prevented the bolt from cycling if the weapon was dropped or jerked. It was a much better manufactured weapon, overall, than the Sten Gun.

Oh, and the Bren Gun was a Light Machine Gun (LMG). It fired a full sized rifle calibre round (.303in initially and later 7.62x51mm). It's action was completely different, not being a "blowback" weapon but a gas operation (ie it tapped gas from near the muzzle to impart energy to a separate gas piston). I have also fired the Bren Gun in both .303in and 7.62x51mm calibre. Roll Eyes

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 20684 ACT Gender:	Re: Australian machine gun Reply #21 - Feb 15^th, 2018 at 2:46pm Poor old Fuzzball shown to be an idiot! Brian despite his faults does know a bit about the military, guns etc.
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