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not happy ...

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It's a sick joke.

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10 years since Dud said sorry.

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Perhaps we should spend more money propping up economically unviable remote aboriginal communities.
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When is Thank You day?
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freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Perhaps we should spend more money propping up economically unviable remote aboriginal communities.


Now that's a comment that needs discussion.

Particularly in light of this sentiment from the proposed beneficiaries:

https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/melbournes-invasion-day-protest-turns-ugly...

They're bloody lucky they weren't all Boered.

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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 10:28pm
 
Propping up problems with more money will only make the problems worse......

Time to put them on a five year plan - no forward steps - no funding for the next five years.. all funding to be towards education, job training, and job placement...there are no guarantees that jobs will be handed to them, but they can at least prove they are worthy of the effort....
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British Aboriginals have sucked far more than $ 130 billion out of the economy.
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Reply #7 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 10:38pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
British Aboriginals have sucked far more than $ 130 billion out of the economy.


That's funny!

If they hadn't built it in the first place, there'd still be nothing to take out of the place. It would still be a continent full of sticks, stones, crows and warring Abo's.

Now it's a country that every reffo on the planet wants to sneak into so they can rip the dole off the indigenous.  Roll Eyes

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Lionel Edriess wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 10:38pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
British Aboriginals have sucked far more than $ 130 billion out of the economy.


That's funny!

If they hadn't built it in the first place, there'd still be nothing to take out of the place. It would still be a continent full of sticks, stones, crows and warring Abo's.

Now it's a country that every reffo on the planet wants to sneak into so they can rip the dole off the indigenous.  Roll Eyes



'reffos' have to fight off the closet pom descendants of pommie boat people before they can sneak in and feast on the social welfare poms and closet poms are snaring for themselves.

Australia has been far too generous allowing decrepit old pommies entry to free lunches (dinners and breakfasts) at the expense of the Australian taxpayer.
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Gordon wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
10 years since Dud said sorry.


I would love to just hang the blame on Rudd. He apologises for his own behalf. Not mine.
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Gordon wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
When is Thank You day?


The aborigines have that too. That is when they go collect their aboriginal only money as payment for renting Australia out to Australians.
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"Thank you for letting us stay in your beautiful country". As if the airports were open 10 years ago, and Rudd saying sorry meant that we non-aboriginals became part of the country as renters.
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Reply #12 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:09am
 
They are l ok e a spoilt child.
Never becoming anything, just demanding more and more.

Their kultcha is defunct.

It's time to say enough is enough

If they don't do it for themselves, it will never happen.
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Reply #13 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 5:04am
 
Never met me one of these coon supremacists... the ones I've met are mostly pretty reasonable and just trying to get by... some have been radical and criminal, but the 'radicals' ones are usually plain stupid.
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Reply #14 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:56am
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
10 years since Dud said sorry.


Someone needs to apologise for saying sorry
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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
not happy ...

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It's a sick joke.



I think we need a new initiative removing all indigenous funding and call in Closing the Crap initiative !
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freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Perhaps we should spend more money propping up economically unviable remote aboriginal communities.


No.

I prefer the Abbott Option which had him planning to move Mohammed to the Mountain rather than moving the Mountain to Mohammed shortly before he got the chop from Turnbull & Co.

That is, he was working on gathering up outback aboriginal communities and having them railroaded to locations close to the major cities where work is available. What a stink that caused when his plan hit the media fan. The civil rights and human rights luvvies had a ball crucifying Abbott as a tyrant and a racist.

Millions of migrants have travelled over oceans to secure a job in Australia, but obliging our welfare-dependent indigenous Australians to shift a few miles towards the cities was all too much for the Aboriginal Victimhood Industry (AVI) caretakers and shareholders to countenance.

One day a politician will step up to the plate who will cut through all the bullshit and say "Enough is enough!"

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I am working with an Aboriginal corporation at the moment.

I am still trying to figure things out.
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Reply #18 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:51am
 
It's the culture of historic grievances and victimhood that is holding a lot of aborigines from fully partaking in the Australian First World success story.

If they would just stop sulking they might find time to get a life as millions of post-war immigrants have done.
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Reply #19 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:53am
 
I have no problem at all spending money that will bring results.

I'd like to see more Govt funded scholarships for city boarding schools and the expectation is the Govt is only charged cost price by the schools.

Any Abo kid in remote areas who tests early as being bright and wants to learn should get a chance at a good education.

Much better to really give people a chance than to piss money away on drip feed welfare.




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Reply #20 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:57am
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:53am:
I have no problem at all spending money that will bring results.

I'd like to see more Govt funded scholarships for city boarding schools and the expectation is the Govt is only charged cost price by the schools.

Any Abo kid in remote areas who tests early as being bright and wants to learn should get a chance at a good education.

Much better to really give people a chance than to piss money away on drip feed welfare.


I agree. Those who show academic aptitude should be given every chance for a good education at one of our better private boarding schools, with all costs waived.
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Reply #21 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am
 
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.
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Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.


I feel your pain, but these particular Abos must have been brought in without any organised structure to their day. Just housing them in the city with no purpose to their day is a recipe for ensuring they become bored and look for distractions to fill the void.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:45am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.


I feel your pain, but these particular Abos must have been brought in without any organised structure to their day. Just housing them in the city with no purpose to their day is a recipe for ensuring they become bored and look for distractions to fill the void.



Why are they seemingly exempt from job search responsibilities and work for the dole like every other Australian?

That's what I want to know.
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The same old smacking idiots crapping on like they think money is the automatic balm to a problem.
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Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.




I call BS on your pathetic story.
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Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:53am:
I have no problem at all spending money that will bring results.

I'd like to see more Govt funded scholarships for city boarding schools and the expectation is the Govt is only charged cost price by the schools.

Any Abo kid in remote areas who tests early as being bright and wants to learn should get a chance at a good education.

Much better to really give people a chance than to piss money away on drip feed welfare.


I was awarded a university scholarship it was a handed out to the top 10 HSC marks at the uni. Was not aware of the award until introduction day when one of the Professors saw my HSC mark and suggested I apply.

They are a great idea as it says the the community will recognise achievement prefer charities and business get involved in these, not just the government and I am more than happy for specific regional ones but not race based !

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Bojack Horseman wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:49am:
The same old smacking idiots crapping on like they think money is the automatic balm to a problem.


In society and business people seem to ignore culture at their loss ...... in many aboriginal communities they have some serious cultural issues (as many cultural communities) this non integration approach (treating them differently) seems to make it worse from my observation. Just about every aboriginal I have met both pre-judges and has a chip on their shoulder !

Money can not fix cultural issues in fact it enables them making their life choices valid. I see nothing special or any genetic dysfunction that justifies treating them differently.
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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:45am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.


I feel your pain, but these particular Abos must have been brought in without any organised structure to their day. Just housing them in the city with no purpose to their day is a recipe for ensuring they become bored and look for distractions to fill the void.



Where I grew up they created a pseudo suburb with houses they gave them, a few years later they were all wrecked. The Fake suburb was regarded as a no go area be even the local thugs !
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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:51am:
It's the culture of historic grievances and victimhood that is holding a lot of aborigines from fully partaking in the Australian First World success story.

If they would just stop sulking they might find time to get a life as millions of post-war immigrants have done.


Not sure why they have a big chip on their shoulders, they seem physically superior to main stream whites they are over represented in the NRL that have given us a world Class tennis play and gold medal runner....... there is nothing wrong with them genetically speaking so its all about bad attitude they are over represented in drug/alcohol abuse, crime stats and jail !
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.




I call BS on your pathetic story.


You would, time to pull your head out of the sand, Bumjack.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:51am:
It's the culture of historic grievances and victimhood that is holding a lot of aborigines from fully partaking in the Australian First World success story.

If they would just stop sulking they might find time to get a life as millions of post-war immigrants have done.


Absolutely, My father arrived here after WWII and had to fight his way off the boat as the Unions were blockading all these Wogs that were arriving, these days all these post WWII cultures are celebrated. The Germans brought us great food and the Barossa Valley, The Italians brought us great builders and places like the Hunter Valley .... etc.... My Father also worked on the Snowy Mountain Scheme ...... from the aboriginal communities all I see is poor cultural norms, disrespect for society and many social problems we have to fix !
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you can only go up in the world by taking action.

and welfare enables you to not take action, so its just a very bad idea.

but added to that is this leftie idea it is acceptable and indeed desirable to use things that happened in the past as an 'excuse" for not taking action in the present.

say my dad owned the farm and he died and i got all sad and used his death as the justification or rationalisation for "refusing to get on with running the farm now that he had died".
should i get sympathy for that?
is it helpful to get sympathy for that .

i would say that it is reprehensible to use some tragedy as the ongoing justification for failure to take personal responsibility for moving forward in the world.
i would call that a "sin".

if bad things happened in the past, that is NO justification for refusing to pick up your burden and move forward with nobility in the present.
and, in as much as the left encourage this inaction and encourage this victimhood , they are commiting the most vile and evil of crimes against the indigenous community
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Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:22am:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.




I call BS on your pathetic story.


You would, time to pull your head out of the sand, Bumjack.





Lol, sure big fella.
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aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:39am:
you can only go up in the world by taking action.

and welfare enables you to not take action, so its just a very bad idea.

but added to that is this leftie idea it is acceptable and indeed desirable to use things that happened in the past as an 'excuse" for not taking action in the present.

say my dad owned the farm and he died and i got all sad and used his death as the justification or rationalisation for "refusing to get on with running the farm now that he had died".
should i get sympathy for that?
is it helpful to get sympathy for that .

i would say that it is reprehensible to use some tragedy as the ongoing justification for failure to take personal responsibility for moving forward in the world.
i would call that a "sin".

if bad things happened in the past, that is NO justification for refusing to pick up your burden and move forward with nobility in the present.
and, in as much as the left encourage this inaction and encourage this victimhood , they are commiting the most vile and evil of crimes against the indigenous community


Inheriting your wealth allows you to take no action too, dear, as every schoolboy knows.
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Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.



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Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:04am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:39am:
you can only go up in the world by taking action.

and welfare enables you to not take action, so its just a very bad idea.

but added to that is this leftie idea it is acceptable and indeed desirable to use things that happened in the past as an 'excuse" for not taking action in the present.

say my dad owned the farm and he died and i got all sad and used his death as the justification or rationalisation for "refusing to get on with running the farm now that he had died".
should i get sympathy for that?
is it helpful to get sympathy for that .

i would say that it is reprehensible to use some tragedy as the ongoing justification for failure to take personal responsibility for moving forward in the world.
i would call that a "sin".

if bad things happened in the past, that is NO justification for refusing to pick up your burden and move forward with nobility in the present.
and, in as much as the left encourage this inaction and encourage this victimhood , they are commiting the most vile and evil of crimes against the indigenous community


Inheriting your wealth allows you to take no action too, dear, as every schoolboy knows.


theres a very good book on the "curse" of having rich parents.

but i digress.

do you think that encouraging aborigines to identify as victims of previous white oppression is helpful?
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YOU NEED TO APOLOGISE FOR POSTING THAT PHOTO.

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Reply #39 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 11:22am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:04am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:39am:
you can only go up in the world by taking action.

and welfare enables you to not take action, so its just a very bad idea.

but added to that is this leftie idea it is acceptable and indeed desirable to use things that happened in the past as an 'excuse" for not taking action in the present.

say my dad owned the farm and he died and i got all sad and used his death as the justification or rationalisation for "refusing to get on with running the farm now that he had died".
should i get sympathy for that?
is it helpful to get sympathy for that .

i would say that it is reprehensible to use some tragedy as the ongoing justification for failure to take personal responsibility for moving forward in the world.
i would call that a "sin".

if bad things happened in the past, that is NO justification for refusing to pick up your burden and move forward with nobility in the present.
and, in as much as the left encourage this inaction and encourage this victimhood , they are commiting the most vile and evil of crimes against the indigenous community


Inheriting your wealth allows you to take no action too, dear, as every schoolboy knows.


No ..... Playing rugby I met a lot of private school trust fund babies and the opposite is quite true. Many professions are a boys club so they get very enabled in their careers !

You are really barking up the wrong tree I have seen some get lazy on their parents wealth, but they are the clear minority.

On my wife's side of the family she has 3 cousins born into serious wealth, one is a cafe owner, another is an expert Yacht builder in demand all around the world the other is a High Court Barrister.

From my casual observation many rich parents teach their kids to respect money especially Jews !
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Reply #40 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 11:32am
 
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:49am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:45am:
I feel your pain, but these particular Abos must have been brought in without any organised structure to their day. Just housing them in the city with no purpose to their day is a recipe for ensuring they become bored and look for distractions to fill the void.



Why are they seemingly exempt from job search responsibilities and work for the dole like every other Australian?

That's what I want to know.


So do I.

The young men especially could be making some sort of effort to contribute to the funding of this First World society, but then again, how many of our own youth and young men would opt for the non-working life if given the choice with no strings attached?

I dare say a fair few would take up the surfing life-style up there on the Gold Coast or smoking dope at Nimbin.
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aquascoots advice is that aboriginal parents be given a copy of the 14 rules.
much better then being subjected to leftard virtue signalling

1 Read to Learn – 63% of self-made millionaires in my study were required by their parents to read to learn. Their parents made them read two or more books every month on topics such as: history, biographies of successful people, science, self-improvement, etc. Only 3% of the poor said their parents made them do this.
2 Don’t Gamble – 6% of the wealthy in my study played the lottery vs. 77% of the poor. Worse, the poor admitted to playing the lottery every week.
3 Follow Your Dreams – 82% of the self-made millionaires in my study pursued a dream vs. 3% of the poor. By far, the wealthiest in my study were individuals who pursued a dream. On average, they accumulated $7.4 million in net assets during their lives.
4 Eat Healthy – 21% of the wealthy in my study were overweight by 30 pounds or more vs. 66% of the poor. 78% of self-made millionaires ate less than 300 junk food calories a day. 97% of the poor ate more than 300 junk food calories a day.
5 Avoid Time Wasters – 63% of the wealthy in my study spent less than 1 hour per day on recreational Internet use. 74% of the poor spent more than an hour a day in the Internet. 67% of the wealthy watched less than 1 hour of TV per day vs 23% of the poor. 9% of the wealthy watched reality TV shows vs. 78% of the poor.
6 Invest Your Time in Your Kids Education – 83% of the wealthy in my study attended back to school night for their kids vs. 13% of the poor. 29% of the wealthy had one or more children who made the honor roll vs. 4% of the poor.
7 Engage in Daily Self-Improvement – 63% of wealthy in my study listened to audio books during their commute vs. 5% of the poor. Kids have smart phones and this makes it easy for them to download audio books to listen to.
8 Spend Less Than You Make – 73% of the wealthy in my study forged the habit of spending less than they earned, long before they were rich. 95% of the poor were never taught this habit by their parents, by their teachers or by any other mentor in life.
9 Forge Relationships With Other Success-Minded People – 79% of the wealthy in my study networked with other success-minded people, 5 hours or more per month vs. 16% of the poor said they did this.
10 Hard Work Creates Good Luck – 92% of the wealthy in my study said they created their own good luck through hard work, persistence, daily practice, determination and goal achievement. 79% of the poor believed the rich were rich due to dumb luck.
11 Take Personal Responsibility For Your Circumstances – 79% of the wealthy in my study indicated that they believed they were individually responsible for their financial circumstances. 82% of the poor believed they were poor because they were born and raised in a poor household.  FYI, 41% of the self-made millionaires in my study were born and raised in a poor household.
12 Exercise Aerobically – 95% of self-made millionaires in my study exercised aerobically 30 minutes or more per day, four days a week. Only 23% of poor did the same. Studies have shown that daily aerobic exercise improves brain health, brain efficiency and IQ.
13 Seek Out Success Mentors – 100% of self-made millionaires in my study had a success mentor in life. Success mentors put you on the fast track for success. They teach you what to do and what not to do. They also teach you the habits you’ll need in order to succeed in life. Typically, these mentors were one of their parents or a mentor that took an interest in them at work. None of the poor in my study said they had any success mentors in their lives.
14 Negativity Leads to Poverty – 63% of the wealthy in my study had a positive, optimistic mindset. 94% of the poor had a negative, pessimistic mindset. Studies have shown that a negative mental outlook inhibits and depresses brain function.
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miketrees wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:40am:
I am working with an Aboriginal corporation at the moment.

I am still trying to figure things out.


I think it's admirable that some aborigines are working in full-time jobs when there's absolutely no official pressure on them to work at all.
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Reply #43 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 11:47am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 11:32am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:49am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:45am:
I feel your pain, but these particular Abos must have been brought in without any organised structure to their day. Just housing them in the city with no purpose to their day is a recipe for ensuring they become bored and look for distractions to fill the void.



Why are they seemingly exempt from job search responsibilities and work for the dole like every other Australian?

That's what I want to know.


So do I.

The young men especially could be making some sort of effort to contribute to the funding of this First World society, but then again, how many of our own youth and young men would opt for the non-working life if given the choice with no strings attached?

I dare say a fair few would take up the surfing life-style up there on the Gold Coast or smoking dope at Nimbin.


One rule I would bring in for the unemployed is add $50 a week if they do charity work and get it signed off by the registered charity !
It would give them contacts and skills in the real word as opposed to sitting in front of the Xbox all day !
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Reply #44 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 12:26pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:32am:
freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Perhaps we should spend more money propping up economically unviable remote aboriginal communities.


No.

I prefer the Abbott Option which had him planning to move Mohammed to the Mountain rather than moving the Mountain to Mohammed shortly before he got the chop from Turnbull & Co.

That is, he was working on gathering up outback aboriginal communities and having them railroaded to locations close to the major cities where work is available. What a stink that caused when his plan hit the media fan. The civil rights and human rights luvvies had a ball crucifying Abbott as a tyrant and a racist.

Millions of migrants have travelled over oceans to secure a job in Australia, but obliging our welfare-dependent indigenous Australians to shift a few miles towards the cities was all too much for the Aboriginal Victimhood Industry (AVI) caretakers and shareholders to countenance.

One day a politician will step up to the plate who will cut through all the bullshit and say "Enough is enough!"



That's just throwing more money at it. Just cut the special funding and let them figure it out for themselves. The first step to solving all these problems is to let them make their own choices.
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Reply #45 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 12:43pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 11:47am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 11:32am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:49am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:45am:
I feel your pain, but these particular Abos must have been brought in without any organised structure to their day. Just housing them in the city with no purpose to their day is a recipe for ensuring they become bored and look for distractions to fill the void.



Why are they seemingly exempt from job search responsibilities and work for the dole like every other Australian?

That's what I want to know.


So do I.

The young men especially could be making some sort of effort to contribute to the funding of this First World society, but then again, how many of our own youth and young men would opt for the non-working life if given the choice with no strings attached?

I dare say a fair few would take up the surfing life-style up there on the Gold Coast or smoking dope at Nimbin.


One rule I would bring in for the unemployed is add $50 a week if they do charity work and get it signed off by the registered charity !
It would give them contacts and skills in the real word as opposed to sitting in front of the Xbox all day !



Why not extend that to a bonus for working anywhere?  surely that would incentivise many to try harder, if they knew they'd get a little kick instead of having their benefit reduced immediately.
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Reply #46 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 1:36pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:51am:
It's the culture of historic grievances and victimhood that is holding a lot of aborigines from fully partaking in the Australian First World success story.

If they would just stop sulking they might find time to get a life as millions of post-war immigrants have done.


I don't know why they don't just do stuff and have a full life. Drinking, drugs, abuse, and blaming other people for their problems will get them nowhere.
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Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:53am:
I have no problem at all spending money that will bring results.

I'd like to see more Govt funded scholarships for city boarding schools and the expectation is the Govt is only charged cost price by the schools.

Any Abo kid in remote areas who tests early as being bright and wants to learn should get a chance at a good education.

Much better to really give people a chance than to piss money away on drip feed welfare.


Certainly, it would be good for the child to get a chance at life in a new setting. But imagine the problems of getting them to go to school away from isolation. The parents will accuse the government of stealing their child. And if the child goes away, the child will be accused of abandoning their family by his/her family.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 12:43pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 11:47am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 11:32am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:49am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:45am:
I feel your pain, but these particular Abos must have been brought in without any organised structure to their day. Just housing them in the city with no purpose to their day is a recipe for ensuring they become bored and look for distractions to fill the void.



Why are they seemingly exempt from job search responsibilities and work for the dole like every other Australian?

That's what I want to know.


So do I.

The young men especially could be making some sort of effort to contribute to the funding of this First World society, but then again, how many of our own youth and young men would opt for the non-working life if given the choice with no strings attached?

I dare say a fair few would take up the surfing life-style up there on the Gold Coast or smoking dope at Nimbin.


One rule I would bring in for the unemployed is add $50 a week if they do charity work and get it signed off by the registered charity !
It would give them contacts and skills in the real word as opposed to sitting in front of the Xbox all day !



Why not extend that to a bonus for working anywhere?  surely that would incentivise many to try harder, if they knew they'd get a little kick instead of having their benefit reduced immediately.


I would support massive tax breaks to volunteer bush fire fighters. I live near one that lights up every few years, in the right context yes.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 1:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:53am:
I have no problem at all spending money that will bring results.

I'd like to see more Govt funded scholarships for city boarding schools and the expectation is the Govt is only charged cost price by the schools.

Any Abo kid in remote areas who tests early as being bright and wants to learn should get a chance at a good education.

Much better to really give people a chance than to piss money away on drip feed welfare.


Certainly, it would be good for the child to get a chance at life in a new setting. But imagine the problems of getting them to go to school away from isolation. The parents will accuse the government of stealing their child. And if the child goes away, the child will be accused of abandoning their family by his/her family.


The lefties would be calling that Stolen Generation 2.0.
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Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:49am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:45am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.


I feel your pain, but these particular Abos must have been brought in without any organised structure to their day. Just housing them in the city with no purpose to their day is a recipe for ensuring they become bored and look for distractions to fill the void.



Why are they seemingly exempt from job search responsibilities and work for the dole like every other Australian?

That's what I want to know.


Have you ever worked with someone who would rather spend their time drinking diluted metho? It never works out... even in work for the dole. I have heard a couple Centrelink workers comment that they like that I at least participate in Centrelink activities. I work part-time, do job searches, and get paid a tapered Centrelink payment according to how much I work. Meanwhile, a certain demographic has a certain percentage of their lot getting paid more to do much less.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:07am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.



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Perhaps you live in a city where you don't have to see this sort of problem? Here in Rockhampton, we have the CBD (or the centre of the town for reference of city people who visit here) where it is a constant problem to see aboriginal people lazing around with alcohol at hand, letting life pass them by. Our junior year of high school, we did a walk along the riverbank for the purpose of viewing the historical buildings of Quay Street. The first few hundred metres of the walk, we came across the native Australians getting inebriated and abusive to one another. One was actually getting ridden by his 'missus'. The teachers told us to be vigilant as we walked by.

Another example, this time public, was the "Dumb, drunk, and racist" episode where Social Justice Warrior Joe Hildebrand was showing a park full of aboriginal people getting drunk and abusive towards anyone that passed them. When the aborigines noticed they were getting filmed, the aborigines harrassed and then attacked the camera crew. Hildebrand justified the attack by later telling the Indians that the aborigines had just recently lost their land, culture, their children, and any other bullcrap story he could think of to explain antisocial behaviour.

You might not like the truth. But it is something you cannot ignore for much longer.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 1:50pm:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:49am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:45am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.


I feel your pain, but these particular Abos must have been brought in without any organised structure to their day. Just housing them in the city with no purpose to their day is a recipe for ensuring they become bored and look for distractions to fill the void.



Why are they seemingly exempt from job search responsibilities and work for the dole like every other Australian?

That's what I want to know.


Have you ever worked with someone who would rather spend their time drinking diluted metho? It never works out... even in work for the dole. I have heard a couple Centrelink workers comment that they like that I at least participate in Centrelink activities. I work part-time, do job searches, and get paid a tapered Centrelink payment according to how much I work. Meanwhile, a certain demographic has a certain percentage of their lot getting paid more to do much less.


I actually agree they need to set up the tax welfare mix so that people like you get rewarded, instead they reward laziness. This was one of Abbott's policy ideas BTW Smiley
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Unforgiven wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 11:26pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 10:38pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
British Aboriginals have sucked far more than $ 130 billion out of the economy.


That's funny!

If they hadn't built it in the first place, there'd still be nothing to take out of the place. It would still be a continent full of sticks, stones, crows and warring Abo's.

Now it's a country that every reffo on the planet wants to sneak into so they can rip the dole off the indigenous.  Roll Eyes



'reffos' have to fight off the closet pom descendants of pommie boat people before they can sneak in and feast on the social welfare poms and closet poms are snaring for themselves.

Australia has been far too generous allowing decrepit old pommies entry to free lunches (dinners and breakfasts) at the expense of the Australian taxpayer.


They paid for it you idiot ..... I bet you don't contribute.
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Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:04am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:39am:
you can only go up in the world by taking action.

and welfare enables you to not take action, so its just a very bad idea.

but added to that is this leftie idea it is acceptable and indeed desirable to use things that happened in the past as an 'excuse" for not taking action in the present.

say my dad owned the farm and he died and i got all sad and used his death as the justification or rationalisation for "refusing to get on with running the farm now that he had died".
should i get sympathy for that?
is it helpful to get sympathy for that .

i would say that it is reprehensible to use some tragedy as the ongoing justification for failure to take personal responsibility for moving forward in the world.
i would call that a "sin".

if bad things happened in the past, that is NO justification for refusing to pick up your burden and move forward with nobility in the present.
and, in as much as the left encourage this inaction and encourage this victimhood , they are commiting the most vile and evil of crimes against the indigenous community


Inheriting your wealth allows you to take no action too, dear, as every schoolboy knows.


And how many of us have inherited wealth pray tell?
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RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 1:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:53am:
I have no problem at all spending money that will bring results.

I'd like to see more Govt funded scholarships for city boarding schools and the expectation is the Govt is only charged cost price by the schools.

Any Abo kid in remote areas who tests early as being bright and wants to learn should get a chance at a good education.

Much better to really give people a chance than to piss money away on drip feed welfare.


Certainly, it would be good for the child to get a chance at life in a new setting. But imagine the problems of getting them to go to school away from isolation. The parents will accuse the government of stealing their child. And if the child goes away, the child will be accused of abandoning their family by his/her family.


The lefties would be calling that Stolen Generation 2.0.


Don't worry that is fully loaded & in progress as we speak.

You should see some of the programs running now on SBS & NITV with the 10 yr recognition of Rudd saying sorry.

On a show I saw only yesterday which was called - "Sorry is not Enough".

And behind it was wanting further compensation.

Children from all races & creeds are removed by govts. for their own protection ...

in recent years if anything across the country child protective services DOCS have been under resourced and under staffed & children that were vulnerable were left in bad situations & died. It's still happening & it's not an Aboriginal specific thing.
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aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:09am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:04am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:39am:
you can only go up in the world by taking action.

and welfare enables you to not take action, so its just a very bad idea.

but added to that is this leftie idea it is acceptable and indeed desirable to use things that happened in the past as an 'excuse" for not taking action in the present.

say my dad owned the farm and he died and i got all sad and used his death as the justification or rationalisation for "refusing to get on with running the farm now that he had died".
should i get sympathy for that?
is it helpful to get sympathy for that .

i would say that it is reprehensible to use some tragedy as the ongoing justification for failure to take personal responsibility for moving forward in the world.
i would call that a "sin".

if bad things happened in the past, that is NO justification for refusing to pick up your burden and move forward with nobility in the present.
and, in as much as the left encourage this inaction and encourage this victimhood , they are commiting the most vile and evil of crimes against the indigenous community


Inheriting your wealth allows you to take no action too, dear, as every schoolboy knows.


theres a very good book on the "curse" of having rich parents.

but i digress.

do you think that encouraging aborigines to identify as victims of previous white oppression is helpful?


No, dear, I don't. Who is doing this?

I would have thought you'd support victims of white oppression. Look at Mr Trump. Can you think of a bigger victim of the Establishment?

So unfair.
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What? ... just white oppression?

Shouldn't that be oppression by any race or creed?

No .... that wouldn't suit your biased narrative.
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Daily Mail and Truth?-oxymoron
But I will say a ton of money has been spent for very little in a hundred years.
It would be cheaper to give them $100,000 dollars each and call it quits. Save a lot of money then.
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Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:04am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:39am:
you can only go up in the world by taking action.

and welfare enables you to not take action, so its just a very bad idea.

but added to that is this leftie idea it is acceptable and indeed desirable to use things that happened in the past as an 'excuse" for not taking action in the present.

say my dad owned the farm and he died and i got all sad and used his death as the justification or rationalisation for "refusing to get on with running the farm now that he had died".
should i get sympathy for that?
is it helpful to get sympathy for that .

i would say that it is reprehensible to use some tragedy as the ongoing justification for failure to take personal responsibility for moving forward in the world.
i would call that a "sin".

if bad things happened in the past, that is NO justification for refusing to pick up your burden and move forward with nobility in the present.
and, in as much as the left encourage this inaction and encourage this victimhood , they are commiting the most vile and evil of crimes against the indigenous community


Inheriting your wealth allows you to take no action too, dear, as every schoolboy knows.


theres a very good book on the "curse" of having rich parents.

but i digress.

do you think that encouraging aborigines to identify as victims of previous white oppression is helpful?


No, dear, I don't. Who is doing this?

I would have thought you'd support victims of white oppression. Look at Mr Trump. Can you think of a bigger victim of the Establishment?

So unfair.


trump took action and annihilated the establishment.
ultimate example in personal responsibility for your trajectory in life.
welfare cannot and will not ever help the aborigine.
theres a rule for helping the old and the frail in nursing homes.
never do anything for the residents that they can do for themselves.
when you do, you are "stealing their strength".
by trying to do for the aborigine what he should have been expected to do for himself, the leftie over protective mother has stolen his strength.
this is the meaning of the stolen generation.
lefties stealing the dignity of the aborigine.

time for the lefties and SJW's to organise a march over the harbour bridge to say sorry
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Reply #60 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 3:49pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 2:05pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 1:50pm:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:49am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:45am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Some bright spark imported a bunch of remote boongs into my area presumably to help them. At opening time at Coles they go buy their Metho, Coke, and plastic cups and spend the day getting tanked in the local park and abusing any whites who walk past.

My tax dollars get paid to these subhumans, time they were cut off from the welfare teet.


I feel your pain, but these particular Abos must have been brought in without any organised structure to their day. Just housing them in the city with no purpose to their day is a recipe for ensuring they become bored and look for distractions to fill the void.



Why are they seemingly exempt from job search responsibilities and work for the dole like every other Australian?

That's what I want to know.


Have you ever worked with someone who would rather spend their time drinking diluted metho? It never works out... even in work for the dole. I have heard a couple Centrelink workers comment that they like that I at least participate in Centrelink activities. I work part-time, do job searches, and get paid a tapered Centrelink payment according to how much I work. Meanwhile, a certain demographic has a certain percentage of their lot getting paid more to do much less.


I actually agree they need to set up the tax welfare mix so that people like you get rewarded, instead they reward laziness. This was one of Abbott's policy ideas BTW Smiley


I get something like $600 a fortnight if I don't work. I can earn up to $250 per fortnight (perhaps more now) before Centrelink starts tapering off my Centrelink payments. I think I can earn $900 a fortnight before Centrelink completely cuts my payments. Not much to live on. But, I don't have a high cost of living.

Aboriginal groups, allegedly, get paid whether they have a job or not. I don't know if they are on the same deal as I where they have their payments tapered if they have a job where they declare their income.

I think we have to do away with special privileges with welfare, whether the recipients are aboriginal or not.
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Reply #61 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:03pm
 
22 years ago, I read a newspaper article about aborigines seemingly getting welfare payments that were around $30,000 a year. $30,000/yr was about the average wage of the "Battler Australian". For me, $30,000 a year is about 28 hours per week of my work. However, it would have been the 40 hours per for people back then.

It was discussed that aborigines were not incentivised to take on jobs when they could be paid nearly the same amount as someone earning from a job. If the consumer price index has bumped up the welfare recipient payment for aborigines, it would not surprise me that the people of aboriginal ancestry STILL do not go for jobs around the country.
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Reply #62 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:15pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 3:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:09am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:04am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:39am:
you can only go up in the world by taking action.

and welfare enables you to not take action, so its just a very bad idea.

but added to that is this leftie idea it is acceptable and indeed desirable to use things that happened in the past as an 'excuse" for not taking action in the present.

say my dad owned the farm and he died and i got all sad and used his death as the justification or rationalisation for "refusing to get on with running the farm now that he had died".
should i get sympathy for that?
is it helpful to get sympathy for that .

i would say that it is reprehensible to use some tragedy as the ongoing justification for failure to take personal responsibility for moving forward in the world.
i would call that a "sin".

if bad things happened in the past, that is NO justification for refusing to pick up your burden and move forward with nobility in the present.
and, in as much as the left encourage this inaction and encourage this victimhood , they are commiting the most vile and evil of crimes against the indigenous community


Inheriting your wealth allows you to take no action too, dear, as every schoolboy knows.


theres a very good book on the "curse" of having rich parents.

but i digress.

do you think that encouraging aborigines to identify as victims of previous white oppression is helpful?


No, dear, I don't. Who is doing this?

I would have thought you'd support victims of white oppression. Look at Mr Trump. Can you think of a bigger victim of the Establishment?

So unfair.


trump took action and annihilated the establishment.



Did he? Everyone else thinks he appointed them to his cabinet.

Mr Trump, you see, has always wanted to be part of the Establishment, right from the time he started kissing the bottoms of Manhattan socialites and gossip columnists, and going on shows like Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

Mr Trump has never understood why they haven't warmed to a crass, uneducated upstart with his own heliport and a personal gold-plated elevator. Why the Establishment wouldn't warm to someone who has spent his entire adult life talking up his wealth and sexual prowess is unfathomable.

I mean, look at all the good he's done. Mr Trump's put his name on dozens of buildings and private golf courses. He's even starred in his own reality TV show. Mr Trump has pleasured women from New York to Moscow, and as he says, when you're a star you can do anything - kiss 'em, grab them by the pussy, whatever you want.

Well, if you can't join them, I guess you should annihilate them - right after you've cut their taxes, boosted their inheritances and appointed them to run the federal government.
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Reply #63 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:48pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:26am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:51am:
It's the culture of historic grievances and victimhood that is holding a lot of aborigines from fully partaking in the Australian First World success story.

If they would just stop sulking they might find time to get a life as millions of post-war immigrants have done.


Absolutely, My father arrived here after WWII and had to fight his way off the boat as the Unions were blockading all these Wogs that were arriving, these days all these post WWII cultures are celebrated.


Same here!

I arrived as a post-war migrant and was immediately verbally assaulted by Aussies and wogs alike as a Pommy bastard!
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Reply #64 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 5:19pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:15pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 3:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:09am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:04am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:39am:
you can only go up in the world by taking action.

and welfare enables you to not take action, so its just a very bad idea.

but added to that is this leftie idea it is acceptable and indeed desirable to use things that happened in the past as an 'excuse" for not taking action in the present.

say my dad owned the farm and he died and i got all sad and used his death as the justification or rationalisation for "refusing to get on with running the farm now that he had died".
should i get sympathy for that?
is it helpful to get sympathy for that .

i would say that it is reprehensible to use some tragedy as the ongoing justification for failure to take personal responsibility for moving forward in the world.
i would call that a "sin".

if bad things happened in the past, that is NO justification for refusing to pick up your burden and move forward with nobility in the present.
and, in as much as the left encourage this inaction and encourage this victimhood , they are commiting the most vile and evil of crimes against the indigenous community


Inheriting your wealth allows you to take no action too, dear, as every schoolboy knows.


theres a very good book on the "curse" of having rich parents.

but i digress.

do you think that encouraging aborigines to identify as victims of previous white oppression is helpful?


No, dear, I don't. Who is doing this?

I would have thought you'd support victims of white oppression. Look at Mr Trump. Can you think of a bigger victim of the Establishment?

So unfair.


trump took action and annihilated the establishment.



Did he? Everyone else thinks he appointed them to his cabinet.

Mr Trump, you see, has always wanted to be part of the Establishment, right from the time he started kissing the bottoms of Manhattan socialites and gossip columnists, and going on shows like Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

Mr Trump has never understood why they haven't warmed to a crass, uneducated upstart with his own heliport and a personal gold-plated elevator. Why the Establishment wouldn't warm to someone who has spent his entire adult life talking up his wealth and sexual prowess is unfathomable.

I mean, look at all the good he's done. Mr Trump's put his name on dozens of buildings and private golf courses. He's even starred in his own reality TV show. Mr Trump has pleasured women from New York to Moscow, and as he says, when you're a star you can do anything - kiss 'em, grab them by the pussy, whatever you want.

Well, if you can't join them, I guess you should annihilate them - right after you've cut their taxes, boosted their inheritances and appointed them to run the federal government.



you dont like Donald much.
hard to fathom such depth of emotion for someone who i presume youve never met.
is that REALLY because you love the poor, or is just that you dont like the rich ?
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Reply #65 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:55pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 5:19pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:15pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 3:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:09am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:04am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:39am:
you can only go up in the world by taking action.

and welfare enables you to not take action, so its just a very bad idea.

but added to that is this leftie idea it is acceptable and indeed desirable to use things that happened in the past as an 'excuse" for not taking action in the present.

say my dad owned the farm and he died and i got all sad and used his death as the justification or rationalisation for "refusing to get on with running the farm now that he had died".
should i get sympathy for that?
is it helpful to get sympathy for that .

i would say that it is reprehensible to use some tragedy as the ongoing justification for failure to take personal responsibility for moving forward in the world.
i would call that a "sin".

if bad things happened in the past, that is NO justification for refusing to pick up your burden and move forward with nobility in the present.
and, in as much as the left encourage this inaction and encourage this victimhood , they are commiting the most vile and evil of crimes against the indigenous community


Inheriting your wealth allows you to take no action too, dear, as every schoolboy knows.


theres a very good book on the "curse" of having rich parents.

but i digress.

do you think that encouraging aborigines to identify as victims of previous white oppression is helpful?


No, dear, I don't. Who is doing this?

I would have thought you'd support victims of white oppression. Look at Mr Trump. Can you think of a bigger victim of the Establishment?

So unfair.


trump took action and annihilated the establishment.



Did he? Everyone else thinks he appointed them to his cabinet.

Mr Trump, you see, has always wanted to be part of the Establishment, right from the time he started kissing the bottoms of Manhattan socialites and gossip columnists, and going on shows like Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

Mr Trump has never understood why they haven't warmed to a crass, uneducated upstart with his own heliport and a personal gold-plated elevator. Why the Establishment wouldn't warm to someone who has spent his entire adult life talking up his wealth and sexual prowess is unfathomable.

I mean, look at all the good he's done. Mr Trump's put his name on dozens of buildings and private golf courses. He's even starred in his own reality TV show. Mr Trump has pleasured women from New York to Moscow, and as he says, when you're a star you can do anything - kiss 'em, grab them by the pussy, whatever you want.

Well, if you can't join them, I guess you should annihilate them - right after you've cut their taxes, boosted their inheritances and appointed them to run the federal government.



you dont like Donald much.
hard to fathom such depth of emotion for someone who i presume youve never met.
is that REALLY because you love the poor, or is just that you dont like the rich ?


What makes you say that? I've heard Mr Trump can be quite nice in person - if you've got something he wants.

If you're a non-celebrity patron of one of his casinos or golf courses though, expect Mr Trump to play through. Expect his bodyguards to push the suckers  out of the way as his entourage ploughs through, Mr Trump glaring at anyone trying to get his autograph or shake his hand, a packet of wet ones in his pocket in case he has the misfortune to have one try to touch him.

Ever read one of his ghostwritten self-help books? They're full of tips on how to stiff people. Forget Dale Carnegie and Norman Vincent Peale, they're the only self-help books in the genre that promote revenge, obliterating your enemies, and what Mr Trump's ghostwriter calls "truthful hyperbole" - lies.

But in person, Mr Trump can be great. Alan Bond loved him. As Mr Trump said when Alan bought his Renoir, you only get one Alan Bond in your life, so make the most of him.

Alan Bond was a rich version of what Mr Trump called the pensioners at his casinos: suckers.

When Mr Trump changed from the casino and TV business to the politics business, he came up with a new name for them: his "base".

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
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Yesterday I was listening to ABC Radio National.
I think it was the Away, diginus show.

It just went on and on about ancient treatment of Aboriginal people by basically the Poms.

No mention that the Poms were also treating white people in much the same way.

Any impressional aboriginal kid getting bombarded by this stuff everyday is bound to develop some resentment which will quite possibly result in many of the feral behaviours.

Its all about the "Aboriginal Industry" wanting more compensation.
But its doing terrible harm.,,, I would scrap any money going to the ABC for this sort of poison.
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How did Poms treat white people like Boongs, Mike?

We're all curious.
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There must be a cheaper way of getting the boong out of them.
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miketrees wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Yesterday I was listening to ABC Radio National.
I think it was the Away, diginus show.

It just went on and on about ancient treatment of Aboriginal people by basically the Poms.

No mention that the Poms were also treating white people in much the same way.

Any impressional aboriginal kid getting bombarded by this stuff everyday is bound to develop some resentment which will quite possibly result in many of the feral behaviours.

Its all about the "Aboriginal Industry" wanting more compensation.
But its doing terrible harm.,,, I would scrap any money going to the ABC for this sort of poison.


I think it's time to sell the ABC, the governments job is running the country they don't need to be in the media business.
Better internet would be more beneficial to rural people.

The ABC and SBS are a billion + dollars a year albatross around taxpayers necks.

We need unity instead of dividing people.
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Reply #70 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:30pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:22pm:
miketrees wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Yesterday I was listening to ABC Radio National.
I think it was the Away, diginus show.

It just went on and on about ancient treatment of Aboriginal people by basically the Poms.

No mention that the Poms were also treating white people in much the same way.

Any impressional aboriginal kid getting bombarded by this stuff everyday is bound to develop some resentment which will quite possibly result in many of the feral behaviours.

Its all about the "Aboriginal Industry" wanting more compensation.
But its doing terrible harm.,,, I would scrap any money going to the ABC for this sort of poison.


I think it's time to sell the ABC, the governments job is running the country they don't need to be in the media business.
Better internet would be more beneficial to rural people.

The ABC and SBS are a billion + dollars a year albatross around taxpayers necks.

We need unity instead of dividing people.


What's wrong with dividing people, Baron?

We're talking about Boongs.
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Reply #71 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:30pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:10pm:
How did Poms treat white people like Boongs, Mike?

We're all curious.


How do you imagine the first or early 'settlers' arrived here, Karnie-Val.  They booked on British Air first class?

Get back to the history books... this nation is only just emerging from the Dark Ages to find that it is ruled by a group of Third World Dictator spivs....
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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:10pm:
How did Poms treat white people like Boongs, Mike?

We're all curious.


How do you imagine the first or early 'settlers' arrived here, Karnie-Val.  They booked on British Air first class?



The early settlers came by boat, Grappler. Many were given land. They were given the vote in the late 19th century.

How does this compare to the treatment of Boongs?
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Good point

Now we give them the land............and they sell it for virtually nuffink,  beer money.

We give them 130 billion dollars, and they demand more.

Where does it all end.

Cattle ticks can eventually kill a full grown BULL by sucking it dry.

That's what the abbos are doing, PARASITES who contribute Nuffink, other than burning some branches and jumping around in a lap, lapp.

If they don't start contributing, and supporting themselves, without this 200 year victim mentality, they will eventually be phased out.

The time is coming, and we all know it, when Aboriginality will be only granted to full blood abbos, these half breed or less hangers on, will be phased out because there are just too many of them and we can only support so many for so long.

Bring on the acknowledgement of full blood only Aboriginality.

Get rid of white Abbo BENIFITS.

So long Karnal, you will have to actually work for once in your life.
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Reply #74 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:12am
 
So here we have the government throwing all this money at the Aboriginal problem.

People in Canberra comming up with all these "solutions."

And yet nothing seems to work. Why?

Maybe it's because there is no consultation with the people who would actually be affected by these "solutions."

Maybe a solution for one language group doesn't work for another.

Governments have decided that the best option is to just throw money at indigenous affairs. That way they can say "look at what we are doing."

Then they go ahead and ignore Aboriginal voices. The very people on ground. In the trenches, so to speak.

No wonder money is being wasted.
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Reply #75 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 8:25am
 
Raven wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:12am:
So here we have the government throwing all this money at the Aboriginal problem.

People in Canberra comming up with all these "solutions."

And yet nothing seems to work. Why?

Maybe it's because there is no consultation with the people who would actually be affected by these "solutions."

Maybe a solution for one language group doesn't work for another.

Governments have decided that the best option is to just throw money at indigenous affairs. That way they can say "look at what we are doing."

Then they go ahead and ignore Aboriginal voices. The very people on ground. In the trenches, so to speak.

No wonder money is being wasted.



Come on, Raven, the government has a stack of aborigines who lobby in Canberra and act as go-betweens for the outback communities and the relevant government departments. It's not an autocracy.

The problem is inertia on the part of young aborigines who could be signing up for full-time jobs in the real world of 21st century Australia.

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Build a raft and float back to where you came from.

*cough POM cough cough*
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aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 3:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:09am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:04am:
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you can only go up in the world by taking action.

and welfare enables you to not take action, so its just a very bad idea.

but added to that is this leftie idea it is acceptable and indeed desirable to use things that happened in the past as an 'excuse" for not taking action in the present.

say my dad owned the farm and he died and i got all sad and used his death as the justification or rationalisation for "refusing to get on with running the farm now that he had died".
should i get sympathy for that?
is it helpful to get sympathy for that .

i would say that it is reprehensible to use some tragedy as the ongoing justification for failure to take personal responsibility for moving forward in the world.
i would call that a "sin".

if bad things happened in the past, that is NO justification for refusing to pick up your burden and move forward with nobility in the present.
and, in as much as the left encourage this inaction and encourage this victimhood , they are commiting the most vile and evil of crimes against the indigenous community


Inheriting your wealth allows you to take no action too, dear, as every schoolboy knows.


theres a very good book on the "curse" of having rich parents.

but i digress.

do you think that encouraging aborigines to identify as victims of previous white oppression is helpful?


No, dear, I don't. Who is doing this?

I would have thought you'd support victims of white oppression. Look at Mr Trump. Can you think of a bigger victim of the Establishment?

So unfair.


trump took action and annihilated the establishment.
ultimate example in personal responsibility for your trajectory in life.
welfare cannot and will not ever help the aborigine.
theres a rule for helping the old and the frail in nursing homes.
never do anything for the residents that they can do for themselves.
when you do, you are "stealing their strength".
by trying to do for the aborigine what he should have been expected to do for himself, the leftie over protective mother has stolen his strength.
this is the meaning of the stolen generation.
lefties stealing the dignity of the aborigine.

time for the lefties and SJW's to organise a march over the harbour bridge to say sorry


Good grief Scoot they already have ... maybe not in the context you mean ... but the lefties marched ....

and if lefty PM Kevin 07 standing up in Parliament & saying sorry on behalf of all Australians ... isn't lefties saying sorry ... What is? ... He's also one of the geese behind having a separate Aboriginal Gov/Parliament.

And saying ......."sorry isn't enough" ... they need more money & compensation.  Roll Eyes
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Raven wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:12am:
So here we have the government throwing all this money at the Aboriginal problem.

People in Canberra comming up with all these "solutions."

And yet nothing seems to work. Why?

Maybe it's because there is no consultation with the people who would actually be affected by these "solutions."

Maybe a solution for one language group doesn't work for another.

Governments have decided that the best option is to just throw money at indigenous affairs. That way they can say "look at what we are doing."

Then they go ahead and ignore Aboriginal voices. The very people on ground. In the trenches, so to speak.

No wonder money is being wasted.


Raven therein lies the bigger problem ... so many different language & clan/skin groups.

And they all have different opinions wants and seem never to agree themselves.

The issues of land use agreements & mining royalties etc being a prime example.

So surely you can see the difficulty in catering to all that?
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Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:41am:
Good point

Now we give them the land............and they sell it for virtually nuffink,  beer money.

We give them 130 billion dollars, and they demand more.

Where does it all end.

Cattle ticks can eventually kill a full grown BULL by sucking it dry.

That's what the abbos are doing, PARASITES who contribute Nuffink, other than burning some branches and jumping around in a lap, lapp.

If they don't start contributing, and supporting themselves, without this 200 year victim mentality, they will eventually be phased out.

The time is coming, and we all know it, when Aboriginality will be only granted to full blood abbos, these half breed or less hangers on, will be phased out because there are just too many of them and we can only support so many for so long.

Bring on the acknowledgement of full blood only Aboriginality.

Get rid of white Abbo BENIFITS.

So long Karnal, you will have to actually work for once in your life.


Which white Abbo BENIFITS, Matty?
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Marla wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 8:45am:
Build a raft and float back to where you came from.

*cough POM cough cough*


.. and your ancestry is?????  Give land back to Indian... bring back buffalo .....
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Karnal wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 8:53am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:10pm:
How did Poms treat white people like Boongs, Mike?

We're all curious.


How do you imagine the first or early 'settlers' arrived here, Karnie-Val.  They booked on British Air first class?



The early settlers came by boat, Grappler. Many were given land. They were given the vote in the late 19th century.

How does this compare to the treatment of Boongs?


Boongs came by boat, too... they simply strolled over the land and burned it to the ground occasionally and had no concept of ownership  and no organisation to uphold it ..... much of the 'fighting' was over cattle theft and such, despite the propaganda behind Jimmy Blacksmith (Governor) etc .... Boongs got the vote in 1967..... late, I know, but that's fifty years ago now...
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Reply #82 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 12:44pm
 
Raven wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:12am:
So here we have the government throwing all this money at the Aboriginal problem.

People in Canberra comming up with all these "solutions."

And yet nothing seems to work. Why?

Maybe it's because there is no consultation with the people who would actually be affected by these "solutions."

Maybe a solution for one language group doesn't work for another.

Governments have decided that the best option is to just throw money at indigenous affairs. That way they can say "look at what we are doing."

Then they go ahead and ignore Aboriginal voices. The very people on ground. In the trenches, so to speak.

No wonder money is being wasted.


Good point. We should create a huge bureaucracy (staffed by lazy white people) to negotiate with aborigines in whatever group size they want, to determine the best way to throw money at them in a way that will prevent them becoming dependent on having money thrown at them.
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Reply #83 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 1:35pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 11:51am:
Marla wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 8:45am:
Build a raft and float back to where you came from.

*cough POM cough cough*


.. and your ancestry is?????  Give land back to Indian... bring back buffalo .....


Yeah. And return all those scalps you took. And start paying royalty fees for all those Indian blankets patterns and designs.
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Reply #84 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 1:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
Raven wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:12am:
So here we have the government throwing all this money at the Aboriginal problem.

People in Canberra comming up with all these "solutions."

And yet nothing seems to work. Why?

Maybe it's because there is no consultation with the people who would actually be affected by these "solutions."

Maybe a solution for one language group doesn't work for another.

Governments have decided that the best option is to just throw money at indigenous affairs. That way they can say "look at what we are doing."

Then they go ahead and ignore Aboriginal voices. The very people on ground. In the trenches, so to speak.

No wonder money is being wasted.


Good point. We should create a huge bureaucracy (staffed by lazy white people) to negotiate with aborigines in whatever group size they want, to determine the best way to throw money at them in a way that will prevent them becoming dependent on having money thrown at them.


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Reply #85 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 2:37pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 11:51am:
Marla wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 8:45am:
Build a raft and float back to where you came from.

*cough POM cough cough*


.. and your ancestry is?????  Give land back to Indian... bring back buffalo .....


They're allowed to speak like this because their colonisation and waring with the indigenous started long before ours did.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #86 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 2:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
Raven wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:12am:
So here we have the government throwing all this money at the Aboriginal problem.

People in Canberra comming up with all these "solutions."

And yet nothing seems to work. Why?

Maybe it's because there is no consultation with the people who would actually be affected by these "solutions."

Maybe a solution for one language group doesn't work for another.

Governments have decided that the best option is to just throw money at indigenous affairs. That way they can say "look at what we are doing."

Then they go ahead and ignore Aboriginal voices. The very people on ground. In the trenches, so to speak.

No wonder money is being wasted.


Good point. We should create a huge bureaucracy (staffed by lazy white people) to negotiate with aborigines in whatever group size they want, to determine the best way to throw money at them in a way that will prevent them becoming dependent on having money thrown at them.


While we're at it can we throw land at them too?
That way they can charge lazy white man money to anyone and everyone who wants to visit it, use it, see it.
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I still say the Abos should hollow-out Ayre's Rock and turn it into a casino managed by James Packer & Co.
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Reply #88 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 3:51pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
Raven wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:12am:
So here we have the government throwing all this money at the Aboriginal problem.

People in Canberra comming up with all these "solutions."

And yet nothing seems to work. Why?

Maybe it's because there is no consultation with the people who would actually be affected by these "solutions."

Maybe a solution for one language group doesn't work for another.

Governments have decided that the best option is to just throw money at indigenous affairs. That way they can say "look at what we are doing."

Then they go ahead and ignore Aboriginal voices. The very people on ground. In the trenches, so to speak.

No wonder money is being wasted.


Good point. We should create a huge bureaucracy (staffed by lazy white people) to negotiate with aborigines in whatever group size they want, to determine the best way to throw money at them in a way that will prevent them becoming dependent on having money thrown at them.


While we're at it can we throw land at them too?
That way they can charge lazy white man money to anyone and everyone who wants to visit it, use it, see it.


We have & they do............. already.
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Reply #89 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 3:56pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:00am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:41am:
Good point

Now we give them the land............and they sell it for virtually nuffink,  beer money.

We give them 130 billion dollars, and they demand more.

Where does it all end.

Cattle ticks can eventually kill a full grown BULL by sucking it dry.

That's what the abbos are doing, PARASITES who contribute Nuffink, other than burning some branches and jumping around in a lap, lapp.

If they don't start contributing, and supporting themselves, without this 200 year victim mentality, they will eventually be phased out.

The time is coming, and we all know it, when Aboriginality will be only granted to full blood abbos, these half breed or less hangers on, will be phased out because there are just too many of them and we can only support so many for so long.

Bring on the acknowledgement of full blood only Aboriginality.

Get rid of white Abbo BENIFITS.

So long Karnal, you will have to actually work for once in your life.


Which white Abbo BENIFITS, Matty?


Don't start that BULL shite again.

You know there are far more BENIFITS for abbos than whites.

No matter how much you try and deny it, it's a fact.

Unlike the stolen generation, which is ONE BIG LIE.

Go and find something useful to do idiooot
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Reply #90 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 3:59pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 3:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:00am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:41am:
Good point

Now we give them the land............and they sell it for virtually nuffink,  beer money.

We give them 130 billion dollars, and they demand more.

Where does it all end.

Cattle ticks can eventually kill a full grown BULL by sucking it dry.

That's what the abbos are doing, PARASITES who contribute Nuffink, other than burning some branches and jumping around in a lap, lapp.

If they don't start contributing, and supporting themselves, without this 200 year victim mentality, they will eventually be phased out.

The time is coming, and we all know it, when Aboriginality will be only granted to full blood abbos, these half breed or less hangers on, will be phased out because there are just too many of them and we can only support so many for so long.

Bring on the acknowledgement of full blood only Aboriginality.

Get rid of white Abbo BENIFITS.

So long Karnal, you will have to actually work for once in your life.


Which white Abbo BENIFITS, Matty?


Don't start that BULL shite again.

You know there are far more BENIFITS for abbos than whites.

No matter how much you try and deny it, it's a fact.

Unlike the stolen generation, which is ONE BIG LIE.

Go and find something useful to do idiooot



Tell us again how they get more on the dole, Valkie.

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Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing when it's meant to be assistance to boost them up. Until this opinion changes nothing will improve.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing when it's meant to be assistance to boost them up. Until this opinion changes nothing will improve.


Correct.

It's the annual rent and part-payment from the billions Australia earns in selling its mineral ores to overseas buyers.

They might have a point here?

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Reply #93 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:34pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 3:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:00am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:41am:
Good point

Now we give them the land............and they sell it for virtually nuffink,  beer money.

We give them 130 billion dollars, and they demand more.

Where does it all end.

Cattle ticks can eventually kill a full grown BULL by sucking it dry.

That's what the abbos are doing, PARASITES who contribute Nuffink, other than burning some branches and jumping around in a lap, lapp.

If they don't start contributing, and supporting themselves, without this 200 year victim mentality, they will eventually be phased out.

The time is coming, and we all know it, when Aboriginality will be only granted to full blood abbos, these half breed or less hangers on, will be phased out because there are just too many of them and we can only support so many for so long.

Bring on the acknowledgement of full blood only Aboriginality.

Get rid of white Abbo BENIFITS.

So long Karnal, you will have to actually work for once in your life.


Which white Abbo BENIFITS, Matty?


Don't start that BULL shite again.

You know there are far more BENIFITS for abbos than whites.

No matter how much you try and deny it, it's a fact.

Unlike the stolen generation, which is ONE BIG LIE.

Go and find something useful to do idiooot


No worries. Tell us what they are.

The last time I asked, someone said Boong jobs.

Which benefits are you thinking of?
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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing


Are you saying it's not?

A question if I may: did you knock back Newstart benefits when you were between jobs?
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Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:34pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 3:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:00am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:41am:
Good point

Now we give them the land............and they sell it for virtually nuffink,  beer money.

We give them 130 billion dollars, and they demand more.

Where does it all end.

Cattle ticks can eventually kill a full grown BULL by sucking it dry.

That's what the abbos are doing, PARASITES who contribute Nuffink, other than burning some branches and jumping around in a lap, lapp.

If they don't start contributing, and supporting themselves, without this 200 year victim mentality, they will eventually be phased out.

The time is coming, and we all know it, when Aboriginality will be only granted to full blood abbos, these half breed or less hangers on, will be phased out because there are just too many of them and we can only support so many for so long.

Bring on the acknowledgement of full blood only Aboriginality.

Get rid of white Abbo BENIFITS.

So long Karnal, you will have to actually work for once in your life.


Which white Abbo BENIFITS, Matty?


Don't start that BULL shite again.

You know there are far more BENIFITS for abbos than whites.

No matter how much you try and deny it, it's a fact.

Unlike the stolen generation, which is ONE BIG LIE.

Go and find something useful to do idiooot


No worries. Tell us what they are.

The last time I asked, someone said Boong jobs.

Which benefits are you thinking of?


FOOL
130,000,000,000.00 for purely abbo needs

How much for only whites.
Houses for nuffink
Paid to go to school
Free medical care at Abbo only medical centers
Free child care
more for the dole than whites

I worked for a company that repaired housing commission houses.

Whites got tin fences
whites got synthetic carpets
whites got no heating or air conditioning.
Abos got wood fences (something about making them feel more at home
Abos got wool carpets (something about allergies)
Abos got heating and air-conditioning (apparently to stop the burning the fence and doors and keeping them cool, some tough abbos out there)

Its a rort.

You just lie lie lie
Fool
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No more for the dole, no free child care, no extra carpets or fences, and I get free medical care at the white medical centre.

You?
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Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:43pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:34pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 3:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:00am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:41am:
Good point

Now we give them the land............and they sell it for virtually nuffink,  beer money.

We give them 130 billion dollars, and they demand more.

Where does it all end.

Cattle ticks can eventually kill a full grown BULL by sucking it dry.

That's what the abbos are doing, PARASITES who contribute Nuffink, other than burning some branches and jumping around in a lap, lapp.

If they don't start contributing, and supporting themselves, without this 200 year victim mentality, they will eventually be phased out.

The time is coming, and we all know it, when Aboriginality will be only granted to full blood abbos, these half breed or less hangers on, will be phased out because there are just too many of them and we can only support so many for so long.

Bring on the acknowledgement of full blood only Aboriginality.

Get rid of white Abbo BENIFITS.

So long Karnal, you will have to actually work for once in your life.


Which white Abbo BENIFITS, Matty?


Don't start that BULL shite again.

You know there are far more BENIFITS for abbos than whites.

No matter how much you try and deny it, it's a fact.

Unlike the stolen generation, which is ONE BIG LIE.

Go and find something useful to do idiooot


No worries. Tell us what they are.

The last time I asked, someone said Boong jobs.

Which benefits are you thinking of?


FOOL
130,000,000,000.00 for purely abbo needs

How much for only whites.
Houses for nuffink
Paid to go to school
Free medical care at Abbo only medical centers
Free child care

more for the dole than whites

I worked for a company that repaired housing commission houses.

Whites got tin fences
whites got synthetic carpets
whites got no heating or air conditioning.
Abos got wood fences (something about making them feel more at home
Abos got wool carpets (something about allergies)
Abos got heating and air-conditioning (apparently to stop the burning the fence and doors and keeping them cool, some tough abbos out there)

Its a rort.

You just lie lie lie
Fool



Nope.

That's a like, Valkie.

Why do you lie so much?

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FactCheck Q&A: is $30 billion spent every year on 500,000 Indigenous people in Australia?
September 5, 2016 7.25pm AEST


Ultimately, the Productivity Commission estimates that only $5.6 billion or 18.6% of the total expenditure is provided through Indigenous-specific or targeted services, saying that:

Mainstream services accounted for $24.7 billion (81.4%) of direct Indigenous expenditure in 2012-13… with the remaining $5.6 billion (18.6%) provided through Indigenous-specific (targeted) services (a real decrease of $0.1 billion (1.2%) from 2008-09).
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Verdict
Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-500...

Even if you take the 5.6 billion targeted expenditure and divide it by half a million Aborigines, it's $11K per head. But the reality is that your working , urban, 1-16th aborigine is not seeing much of that money. Most of the expense is for the remote aborigines living in squalor.
Why don't they do on walkabout out there? They are in the middle of nowhere, where they have been for 60 thousand years doing nothing - but now they are costing whitey taxpayers billions to do nothing but abuse each other.

Makes no sense.

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Valkie is telling fibs again.



Imagine the Client Service Officer at the Mt Druitt Housing office.

Better use the wooden fences and the wool carpet, boys. We've got a Boong family moving in.
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Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
FactCheck Q&A: is $30 billion spent every year on 500,000 Indigenous people in Australia?
September 5, 2016 7.25pm AEST


Ultimately, the Productivity Commission estimates that only $5.6 billion or 18.6% of the total expenditure is provided through Indigenous-specific or targeted services, saying that:

Mainstream services accounted for $24.7 billion (81.4%) of direct Indigenous expenditure in 2012-13… with the remaining $5.6 billion (18.6%) provided through Indigenous-specific (targeted) services (a real decrease of $0.1 billion (1.2%) from 2008-09).
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Verdict
Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-500...

Even if you take the 5.6 billion targeted expenditure and divide it by half a million Aborigines, it's $11K per head. But the reality is that your working , urban, 1-16th aborigine is not seeing much of that money. Most of the expense is for the remote aborigines living in squalor.
Why don't they do on walkabout out there? They are in the middle of nowhere, where they have been for 60 thousand years doing nothing - but now they are costing whitey taxpayers billions to do nothing but abuse each other.

Makes no sense.



So what are they, dear boy? A superior mind like yours must be able to come up with something, shurely.

You're white, no?
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Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing


Are you saying it's not?

A question if I may: did you knock back Newstart benefits when you were between jobs?

Nope. But I contribute eventually. They believe because of their ethnicity they don't need to. The world doesn't work like that babe.
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Reply #103 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 9:47pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
FactCheck Q&A: is $30 billion spent every year on 500,000 Indigenous people in Australia?
September 5, 2016 7.25pm AEST


Ultimately, the Productivity Commission estimates that only $5.6 billion or 18.6% of the total expenditure is provided through Indigenous-specific or targeted services, saying that:

Mainstream services accounted for $24.7 billion (81.4%) of direct Indigenous expenditure in 2012-13… with the remaining $5.6 billion (18.6%) provided through Indigenous-specific (targeted) services (a real decrease of $0.1 billion (1.2%) from 2008-09).
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Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-500...

Even if you take the 5.6 billion targeted expenditure and divide it by half a million Aborigines, it's $11K per head. But the reality is that your working , urban, 1-16th aborigine is not seeing much of that money. Most of the expense is for the remote aborigines living in squalor.
Why don't they do on walkabout out there? They are in the middle of nowhere, where they have been for 60 thousand years doing nothing - but now they are costing whitey taxpayers billions to do nothing but abuse each other.

Makes no sense.



Sounds a lot like aid projects and other 'welfare' projects, wherein 90% or so of the funding is absorbed by 'administrative costs' long before the cash actually gets to the coal face..... and that includes the United Nations and its fancy missions everywhere...

Michael Marin's 'Road To Hell' will explain that to you.  He cites UN people (etc) running around in tropical desert countries like Somalia and Ethiopia in air conditioned Land Cruisers and  living the high life in air conditioned comfort... all as a way stop on their promotion (public service style) path...

VERY few - such as Michael Semple, an Irish national, who operated in Afghanistan and has a Pakistani wife, actually put themselves on the line for the job.  Semple contacted HUNDREDS of 'Taliban' leaders and persuaded many to 'come in' and join the national government.

As usual it's a complicated story.... like Sai Gon, the drug trade etc actually plays a major part in all the local 'politics'... past friend of mine was married to the daughter of the chief of the Saigon River Pilots, who were in fact the river pirates with competitors (Captain Jaq Spah Oh?), and who provided the Saigon area Military Police as well... a force held in much disdain by the foreign units.

You sort of had to be there....

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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 7:24pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing


Are you saying it's not?

A question if I may: did you knock back Newstart benefits when you were between jobs?

Nope. But I contribute eventually. They believe because of their ethnicity they don't need to. The world doesn't work like that babe.


Are you saying you give to charity?

Which one, Homo? Will I see you at our homeless service?

We're always looking for extra hands, you know. Will you join us in prayer?
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Reply #105 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:05pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing when it's meant to be assistance to boost them up. Until this opinion changes nothing will improve.


Correct.

It's the annual rent and part-payment from the billions Australia earns in selling its mineral ores to overseas buyers.

They might have a point here?



Perhaps, but it is a debatable point... NOBODY else pays 'royalties' to the past nation for recovering resources from the ground....

Do the Spanish pay the Moors for the cash earned in what was once Moor-held land?  Do the English pay those of Briton descent for the cash earned in Britain?  Do the Maoris pay the Moriori for their past possession of NZ?  Do the descendants of Spanish conquistadors pay the Aztecs (etc) for their past possession.. or the Philippines pay those descendants of the originals before the Spaniards got there?

I thought not.........

Why and how are 'we' paying rent on what is a resource never even imagined by those 'original Australians', and why can't they choose to be part of the solution and not the problem?  They wouldn't have known what to do with the red ore or the uranium etc... had no use for it... and had no 'ownership' rights over it, same as the oil from Bass Strait.....

Why should they be paid for it when they already get the same benefits as everyone else not directly involved in procuring those resources, (do I get paid a royalty and rent for every ounce of ore extracted?) such as education, defence, infrastructure and so on and so on and so on.... apart from which... what ELSE has the White Man done for the Kangaroo Kaffirs??

They have the same opportunity as everyone else to access education and then some.... it is their own choice not to do so, and like the whinging feminists and such, this country can no longer afford them...

Jeez - it's borrowing BILLIONS every year to cater to their lack of desire to involve themselves in their own nation......  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin 
(just had to sling that one back at the dick-weeds who mutter darkly about pensions and unemployment benefits and the 'cost' of borrowing to sustain those.... what a load of absolute sh1t!)

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Reply #106 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 5:48am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing when it's meant to be assistance to boost them up. Until this opinion changes nothing will improve.


Correct.

It's the annual rent and part-payment from the billions Australia earns in selling its mineral ores to overseas buyers.

They might have a point here?



You have been listening to Mid Night oil music too much.

If anything they owe us !
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Reply #107 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 10:17am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
FactCheck Q&A: is $30 billion spent every year on 500,000 Indigenous people in Australia?
September 5, 2016 7.25pm AEST


Ultimately, the Productivity Commission estimates that only $5.6 billion or 18.6% of the total expenditure is provided through Indigenous-specific or targeted services, saying that:

Mainstream services accounted for $24.7 billion (81.4%) of direct Indigenous expenditure in 2012-13… with the remaining $5.6 billion (18.6%) provided through Indigenous-specific (targeted) services (a real decrease of $0.1 billion (1.2%) from 2008-09).
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Verdict
Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-500...

Even if you take the 5.6 billion targeted expenditure and divide it by half a million Aborigines, it's $11K per head. But the reality is that your working , urban, 1-16th aborigine is not seeing much of that money. Most of the expense is for the remote aborigines living in squalor.
Why don't they do on walkabout out there? They are in the middle of nowhere, where they have been for 60 thousand years doing nothing - but now they are costing whitey taxpayers billions to do nothing but abuse each other.

Makes no sense.



So what are they, dear boy? A superior mind like yours must be able to come up with something, shurely.

You're white, no?


Why do we have Abstudy & Austudy?

Outside the obvious race bias why has Abstudy got different eligibility criteria than Austudy?

In that being that Austudy recipients have to be over 25 years age or be in an apprenticeship & over 25 years of age.

In other words if you are non aboriginal/TI & living at home ...... Mum & Dad have to pay.

https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/enablers/who-can-get-abstudy

https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/enablers/who-can-get-austudy

And why are there Aboriginal & TI specific Health Clinics set up in major cities/towns across australia where they could attend any number of doctors of their choice & use their Medicare Cards and be bulk billed?
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Reply #108 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 10:34am
 
Why does peccamitty and kanal both LIE about aboriginal BENIFITS?

Are they getting them?

Abbstudy BENIFITS are far more than anything poor old whites get.

Paid to go to school, is a fact.

Free education is a fact.

Free child care, is a fact.

They are put at the front of the housing list a fact.

They get additional money, perhaps not called the dole, but extra not available to the poor old whites.

They get free flights to their land if the reside elsewhere every year.

These things I know from aboriginal people I know.

Peccamitty and Karnal LIE

Why do you LIE?

You propagate lies like the stolen generation.
They tried to find one.
The two they thought they found were false.
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Reply #109 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 10:49am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 10:17am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
FactCheck Q&A: is $30 billion spent every year on 500,000 Indigenous people in Australia?
September 5, 2016 7.25pm AEST


Ultimately, the Productivity Commission estimates that only $5.6 billion or 18.6% of the total expenditure is provided through Indigenous-specific or targeted services, saying that:

Mainstream services accounted for $24.7 billion (81.4%) of direct Indigenous expenditure in 2012-13… with the remaining $5.6 billion (18.6%) provided through Indigenous-specific (targeted) services (a real decrease of $0.1 billion (1.2%) from 2008-09).
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Verdict
Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-500...

Even if you take the 5.6 billion targeted expenditure and divide it by half a million Aborigines, it's $11K per head. But the reality is that your working , urban, 1-16th aborigine is not seeing much of that money. Most of the expense is for the remote aborigines living in squalor.
Why don't they do on walkabout out there? They are in the middle of nowhere, where they have been for 60 thousand years doing nothing - but now they are costing whitey taxpayers billions to do nothing but abuse each other.

Makes no sense.



So what are they, dear boy? A superior mind like yours must be able to come up with something, shurely.

You're white, no?


Why do we have Abstudy & Austudy?

Outside the obvious race bias why has Abstudy got different eligibility criteria than Austudy?

In that being that Austudy recipients have to be over 25 years age or be in an apprenticeship & over 25 years of age.

In other words if you are non aboriginal/TI & living at home ...... Mum & Dad have to pay.

https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/enablers/who-can-get-abstudy

https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/enablers/who-can-get-austudy

And why are there Aboriginal & TI specific Health Clinics set up in major cities/towns across australia where they could attend any number of doctors of their choice & use their Medicare Cards and be bulk billed?
Roll Eyes


Thanks, Gonads, you've helped us get to the bottom of the one benefit the Boong gets over whitey:

They get to claim ABSTUDY earlier because Howard upped the age for us whites to keep us sponging off our parents longer.

Anything else?

Matty's still trying hard, I see.
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Reply #110 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 2:22pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing when it's meant to be assistance to boost them up. Until this opinion changes nothing will improve.


Correct.

It's the annual rent and part-payment from the billions Australia earns in selling its mineral ores to overseas buyers.

They might have a point here?



Perhaps, but it is a debatable point... NOBODY else pays 'royalties' to the past nation for recovering resources from the ground....

Do the Spanish pay the Moors for the cash earned in what was once Moor-held land?  Do the English pay those of Briton descent for the cash earned in Britain?  Do the Maoris pay the Moriori for their past possession of NZ?  Do the descendants of Spanish conquistadors pay the Aztecs (etc) for their past possession.. or the Philippines pay those descendants of the originals before the Spaniards got there?

I thought not.........

Why and how are 'we' paying rent on what is a resource never even imagined by those 'original Australians', and why can't they choose to be part of the solution and not the problem?  They wouldn't have known what to do with the red ore or the uranium etc... had no use for it... and had no 'ownership' rights over it, same as the oil from Bass Strait.....

Why should they be paid for it when they already get the same benefits as everyone else not directly involved in procuring those resources, (do I get paid a royalty and rent for every ounce of ore extracted?) such as education, defence, infrastructure and so on and so on and so on.... apart from which... what ELSE has the White Man done for the Kangaroo Kaffirs??

They have the same opportunity as everyone else to access education and then some.... it is their own choice not to do so, and like the whinging feminists and such, this country can no longer afford them...

Jeez - it's borrowing BILLIONS every year to cater to their lack of desire to involve themselves in their own nation......  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin 
(just had to sling that one back at the dick-weeds who mutter darkly about pensions and unemployment benefits and the 'cost' of borrowing to sustain those.... what a load of absolute sh1t!)




Good post, Grappler, but I'm still not entirely convinced the Abos don't have a legitimate claim on some of the profits being dug out of the same ground that was their residential homeland for 50,000 years as against our 200.

I would back them on any claim for a legitimate and rightful share of the profits.

But maybe that's happening already, and they ARE receiving payment from the ore we sell overseas?

I mean, fair dinkum, cobbers, we came swanning in only 200 years ago and now sell the riches that were lying underfoot the abos for 50,000 years, and they shouldn't have any claim on the profits? Not in my name. That can't be right from any moral and fairness point of view.






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Do the Maoris pay the Moriori for their past possession of NZ? 


The Moriori never possessed the islands of New Zealand, Graps.    Roll Eyes
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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 2:22pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing when it's meant to be assistance to boost them up. Until this opinion changes nothing will improve.


Correct.

It's the annual rent and part-payment from the billions Australia earns in selling its mineral ores to overseas buyers.

They might have a point here?



Perhaps, but it is a debatable point... NOBODY else pays 'royalties' to the past nation for recovering resources from the ground....

Do the Spanish pay the Moors for the cash earned in what was once Moor-held land?  Do the English pay those of Briton descent for the cash earned in Britain?  Do the Maoris pay the Moriori for their past possession of NZ?  Do the descendants of Spanish conquistadors pay the Aztecs (etc) for their past possession.. or the Philippines pay those descendants of the originals before the Spaniards got there?

I thought not.........

Why and how are 'we' paying rent on what is a resource never even imagined by those 'original Australians', and why can't they choose to be part of the solution and not the problem?  They wouldn't have known what to do with the red ore or the uranium etc... had no use for it... and had no 'ownership' rights over it, same as the oil from Bass Strait.....

Why should they be paid for it when they already get the same benefits as everyone else not directly involved in procuring those resources, (do I get paid a royalty and rent for every ounce of ore extracted?) such as education, defence, infrastructure and so on and so on and so on.... apart from which... what ELSE has the White Man done for the Kangaroo Kaffirs??

They have the same opportunity as everyone else to access education and then some.... it is their own choice not to do so, and like the whinging feminists and such, this country can no longer afford them...

Jeez - it's borrowing BILLIONS every year to cater to their lack of desire to involve themselves in their own nation......  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin 
(just had to sling that one back at the dick-weeds who mutter darkly about pensions and unemployment benefits and the 'cost' of borrowing to sustain those.... what a load of absolute sh1t!)




Good post, Grappler, but I'm still not entirely convinced the Abos don't have a legitimate claim on some of the profits being dug out of the same ground that was their residential homeland for 50,000 years as against our 200.

I would back them on any claim for a legitimate and rightful share of the profits.

But maybe that's happening already, and they ARE receiving payment from the ore we sell overseas?

I mean, fair dinkum, cobbers, we came swanning in only 200 years ago and now sell the riches that were lying underfoot the abos for 50,000 years, and they shouldn't have any claim on the profits? Not in my name. That can't be right from any moral and fairness point of view.



200? Eddie Mabo got his ancestral land back after he was kicked off in the 1950s.

In many cases, we're not talking 50,000 years, but a couple of generations.
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Reply #113 - Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:14pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 2:22pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing when it's meant to be assistance to boost them up. Until this opinion changes nothing will improve.


Correct.

It's the annual rent and part-payment from the billions Australia earns in selling its mineral ores to overseas buyers.

They might have a point here?



Perhaps, but it is a debatable point... NOBODY else pays 'royalties' to the past nation for recovering resources from the ground....

Do the Spanish pay the Moors for the cash earned in what was once Moor-held land?  Do the English pay those of Briton descent for the cash earned in Britain?  Do the Maoris pay the Moriori for their past possession of NZ?  Do the descendants of Spanish conquistadors pay the Aztecs (etc) for their past possession.. or the Philippines pay those descendants of the originals before the Spaniards got there?

I thought not.........

Why and how are 'we' paying rent on what is a resource never even imagined by those 'original Australians', and why can't they choose to be part of the solution and not the problem?  They wouldn't have known what to do with the red ore or the uranium etc... had no use for it... and had no 'ownership' rights over it, same as the oil from Bass Strait.....

Why should they be paid for it when they already get the same benefits as everyone else not directly involved in procuring those resources, (do I get paid a royalty and rent for every ounce of ore extracted?) such as education, defence, infrastructure and so on and so on and so on.... apart from which... what ELSE has the White Man done for the Kangaroo Kaffirs??

They have the same opportunity as everyone else to access education and then some.... it is their own choice not to do so, and like the whinging feminists and such, this country can no longer afford them...

Jeez - it's borrowing BILLIONS every year to cater to their lack of desire to involve themselves in their own nation......  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin 
(just had to sling that one back at the dick-weeds who mutter darkly about pensions and unemployment benefits and the 'cost' of borrowing to sustain those.... what a load of absolute sh1t!)




Good post, Grappler, but I'm still not entirely convinced the Abos don't have a legitimate claim on some of the profits being dug out of the same ground that was their residential homeland for 50,000 years as against our 200.

I would back them on any claim for a legitimate and rightful share of the profits.

But maybe that's happening already, and they ARE receiving payment from the ore we sell overseas?

I mean, fair dinkum, cobbers, we came swanning in only 200 years ago and now sell the riches that were lying underfoot the abos for 50,000 years, and they shouldn't have any claim on the profits? Not in my name. That can't be right from any moral and fairness point of view.








They could gain a claim if they worked for it....... I don't have a claim for the places where I was born and raised.....

Brian:-

"The Moriori in New Zealand

Based on the writing of Percy Smith and Elsdon Best, theories grew up that the Māori had displaced a more primitive pre-Māori population of Moriori (sometimes described as a small-statured, dark-skinned race of possible Melanesian origin), in mainland New Zealand – and that the Chatham Island Moriori were the last remnant of this earlier race. These theories also had the advantage – from the view of the European settlers – of undermining the notion of the Māori as the indigenous people of New Zealand, making them just one in a neat progression of waves of migration and conquest by increasingly more civilised and technically able peoples. This in turn was used to justify racist stereotyping, colonisation and conquest by cultural "superiors".[27][28]

These theories were widely published in the early twentieth century,[29] and crucially, this story was promoted in a series of three articles in the School Journal of 1916,[30] and the 1934 A. W. Reed's schoolbook The Coming of the Maori to Ao-tea-roa [30] —and therefore became familiar to generations of schoolchildren.

A number of historians, anthropologists and ethnologists, however, examined and rejected the hypothesis of a racially distinct pre-Māori Moriori people. Among them, anthropologist H.D. Skinner in 1923,[31] ethnologist Roger Duff in the 1940s,[32] and historian and ethnographer Arthur Thomson in 1959,[33] as did Michael King's Moriori: A People Rediscovered in 2000 and James Belich[34] and K.R. Howe in Te Ara: The Encyclopedia of New Zealand.[32]"

No definitive proof... but the issue still stands - the Maori came from Polynesia and displaced someone...

How about :-  Do MY wave of Gaelic ancestors to Ireland pay rent to the first wave whom they displaced, and turned into the mythical 'little people'?

No - they do not......
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Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 3:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:00am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:41am:
Good point

Now we give them the land............and they sell it for virtually nuffink,  beer money.

We give them 130 billion dollars, and they demand more.

Where does it all end.

Cattle ticks can eventually kill a full grown BULL by sucking it dry.

That's what the abbos are doing, PARASITES who contribute Nuffink, other than burning some branches and jumping around in a lap, lapp.

If they don't start contributing, and supporting themselves, without this 200 year victim mentality, they will eventually be phased out.

The time is coming, and we all know it, when Aboriginality will be only granted to full blood abbos, these half breed or less hangers on, will be phased out because there are just too many of them and we can only support so many for so long.

Bring on the acknowledgement of full blood only Aboriginality.

Get rid of white Abbo BENIFITS.

So long Karnal, you will have to actually work for once in your life.


Which white Abbo BENIFITS, Matty?


Don't start that BULL shite again.

You know there are far more BENIFITS for abbos than whites.

No matter how much you try and deny it, it's a fact.

Unlike the stolen generation, which is ONE BIG LIE.

Go and find something useful to do idiooot


And yet you've never been able to proove a single one
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Why does peccamitty and kanal both LIE about aboriginal BENIFITS?

Are they getting them?

Abbstudy BENIFITS are far more than anything poor old whites get.

Paid to go to school, is a fact.

Free education is a fact.

Free child care, is a fact.

They are put at the front of the housing list a fact.

They get additional money, perhaps not called the dole, but extra not available to the poor old whites.

They get free flights to their land if the reside elsewhere every year.


Proove it.
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Raven wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:49pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Why does peccamitty and kanal both LIE about aboriginal BENIFITS?

Are they getting them?

Abbstudy BENIFITS are far more than anything poor old whites get.

Paid to go to school, is a fact.

Free education is a fact.

Free child care, is a fact.

They are put at the front of the housing list a fact.

They get additional money, perhaps not called the dole, but extra not available to the poor old whites.

They get free flights to their land if the reside elsewhere every year.


Proove it.


There was free childcare, hot meals and child pickup for the child of a friend of mine while she was studying at SCU. Not something my wife could access when she was studying at the same time. There is a division of SCU dedicated to indigenous students, my wife at one time tutored some. While it is open to all for indigenous studies, it's role is to provide Indigenous Australian Student Services.
http://www.ngunyajarjum.com/
https://www.scu.edu.au/gnibi-college-of-indigenous-australian-peoples/

I'm not saying these services should not be provided.

edit: My wife's father worked at the Curtin Indigenous Research Centre providing services to indigenous students/people.

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Reply #117 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:38am
 
HuhSetanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:09am:
Raven wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:49pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Why does peccamitty and kanal both LIE about aboriginal BENIFITS?

Are they getting them?

Abbstudy BENIFITS are far more than anything poor old whites get.

Paid to go to school, is a fact.

Free education is a fact.

Free child care, is a fact.

They are put at the front of the housing list a fact.

They get additional money, perhaps not called the dole, but extra not available to the poor old whites.

They get free flights to their land if the reside elsewhere every year.


Proove it.


There was free childcare, hot meals and child pickup for the child of a friend of mine while she was studying at SCU. Not something my wife could access when she was studying at the same time. There is a division of SCU dedicated to indigenous students, my wife at one time tutored some. While it is open to all for indigenous studies, it's role is to provide Indigenous Australian Student Services.
http://www.ngunyajarjum.com/
https://www.scu.edu.au/gnibi-college-of-indigenous-australian-peoples/

I'm not saying these services should not be provided.

edit: My wife's father worked at the Curtin Indigenous Research Centre providing services to indigenous students/people.



Raven couldn't see anything in the link you provided that offers free childcare.

But if childcare is indeed free for Aboriginal people Raven will let the missus know to stop paying them.
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Reply #118 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:44am
 
Raven wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:38am:
HuhSetanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:09am:
Raven wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:49pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Why does peccamitty and kanal both LIE about aboriginal BENIFITS?

Are they getting them?

Abbstudy BENIFITS are far more than anything poor old whites get.

Paid to go to school, is a fact.

Free education is a fact.

Free child care, is a fact.

They are put at the front of the housing list a fact.

They get additional money, perhaps not called the dole, but extra not available to the poor old whites.

They get free flights to their land if the reside elsewhere every year.


Proove it.


There was free childcare, hot meals and child pickup for the child of a friend of mine while she was studying at SCU. Not something my wife could access when she was studying at the same time. There is a division of SCU dedicated to indigenous students, my wife at one time tutored some. While it is open to all for indigenous studies, it's role is to provide Indigenous Australian Student Services.
http://www.ngunyajarjum.com/
https://www.scu.edu.au/gnibi-college-of-indigenous-australian-peoples/

I'm not saying these services should not be provided.

edit: My wife's father worked at the Curtin Indigenous Research Centre providing services to indigenous students/people.



Raven couldn't see anything in the link you provided that offers free childcare.

But if childcare is indeed free for Aboriginal people Raven will let the missus know to stop paying them.


I assure Raven that was the case. I'm not knocking it just advising. Free might have been wrong though, I believe it was $3 a day, but close enough.

edit: I guess what I'm saying is if everyone was on an equal footing, these services would not need to exist. The fact that they do and cost money shows there is not a level playing field. I'm not against that as we need indigenous people to become more a part of mainstream society and less victims of the past.
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Reply #119 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:54am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 2:22pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing when it's meant to be assistance to boost them up. Until this opinion changes nothing will improve.


Correct.

It's the annual rent and part-payment from the billions Australia earns in selling its mineral ores to overseas buyers.

They might have a point here?



Perhaps, but it is a debatable point... NOBODY else pays 'royalties' to the past nation for recovering resources from the ground....

Do the Spanish pay the Moors for the cash earned in what was once Moor-held land?  Do the English pay those of Briton descent for the cash earned in Britain?  Do the Maoris pay the Moriori for their past possession of NZ?  Do the descendants of Spanish conquistadors pay the Aztecs (etc) for their past possession.. or the Philippines pay those descendants of the originals before the Spaniards got there?

I thought not.........

Why and how are 'we' paying rent on what is a resource never even imagined by those 'original Australians', and why can't they choose to be part of the solution and not the problem?  They wouldn't have known what to do with the red ore or the uranium etc... had no use for it... and had no 'ownership' rights over it, same as the oil from Bass Strait.....

Why should they be paid for it when they already get the same benefits as everyone else not directly involved in procuring those resources, (do I get paid a royalty and rent for every ounce of ore extracted?) such as education, defence, infrastructure and so on and so on and so on.... apart from which... what ELSE has the White Man done for the Kangaroo Kaffirs??

They have the same opportunity as everyone else to access education and then some.... it is their own choice not to do so, and like the whinging feminists and such, this country can no longer afford them...

Jeez - it's borrowing BILLIONS every year to cater to their lack of desire to involve themselves in their own nation......  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin 
(just had to sling that one back at the dick-weeds who mutter darkly about pensions and unemployment benefits and the 'cost' of borrowing to sustain those.... what a load of absolute sh1t!)




Good post, Grappler, but I'm still not entirely convinced the Abos don't have a legitimate claim on some of the profits being dug out of the same ground that was their residential homeland for 50,000 years as against our 200.

I would back them on any claim for a legitimate and rightful share of the profits.

But maybe that's happening already, and they ARE receiving payment from the ore we sell overseas?

I mean, fair dinkum, cobbers, we came swanning in only 200 years ago and now sell the riches that were lying underfoot the abos for 50,000 years, and they shouldn't have any claim on the profits? Not in my name. That can't be right from any moral and fairness point of view.








It's called equality before the law Herb. What's your alternative?
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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
Do the Maoris pay the Moriori for their past possession of NZ? 


The Moriori never possessed the islands of New Zealand, Graps.    Roll Eyes


And the Aboriginals never possessed the island continent of Australia.

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Reply #121 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:21am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 10:41pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 2:22pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Aboriginals see white money as rightfully owing when it's meant to be assistance to boost them up. Until this opinion changes nothing will improve.


Correct.

It's the annual rent and part-payment from the billions Australia earns in selling its mineral ores to overseas buyers.

They might have a point here?



Perhaps, but it is a debatable point... NOBODY else pays 'royalties' to the past nation for recovering resources from the ground....

Do the Spanish pay the Moors for the cash earned in what was once Moor-held land?  Do the English pay those of Briton descent for the cash earned in Britain?  Do the Maoris pay the Moriori for their past possession of NZ?  Do the descendants of Spanish conquistadors pay the Aztecs (etc) for their past possession.. or the Philippines pay those descendants of the originals before the Spaniards got there?

I thought not.........

Why and how are 'we' paying rent on what is a resource never even imagined by those 'original Australians', and why can't they choose to be part of the solution and not the problem?  They wouldn't have known what to do with the red ore or the uranium etc... had no use for it... and had no 'ownership' rights over it, same as the oil from Bass Strait.....

Why should they be paid for it when they already get the same benefits as everyone else not directly involved in procuring those resources, (do I get paid a royalty and rent for every ounce of ore extracted?) such as education, defence, infrastructure and so on and so on and so on.... apart from which... what ELSE has the White Man done for the Kangaroo Kaffirs??

They have the same opportunity as everyone else to access education and then some.... it is their own choice not to do so, and like the whinging feminists and such, this country can no longer afford them...

Jeez - it's borrowing BILLIONS every year to cater to their lack of desire to involve themselves in their own nation......  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin 
(just had to sling that one back at the dick-weeds who mutter darkly about pensions and unemployment benefits and the 'cost' of borrowing to sustain those.... what a load of absolute sh1t!)




Good post, Grappler, but I'm still not entirely convinced the Abos don't have a legitimate claim on some of the profits being dug out of the same ground that was their residential homeland for 50,000 years as against our 200.

I would back them on any claim for a legitimate and rightful share of the profits.

But maybe that's happening already, and they ARE receiving payment from the ore we sell overseas?

I mean, fair dinkum, cobbers, we came swanning in only 200 years ago and now sell the riches that were lying underfoot the abos for 50,000 years, and they shouldn't have any claim on the profits? Not in my name. That can't be right from any moral and fairness point of view.



200? Eddie Mabo got his ancestral land back after he was kicked off in the 1950s.

In many cases, we're not talking 50,000 years, but a couple of generations.


Bullshit - who kicked him off? It was the late 70's that he wasn't allowed to go back out to Mer & other Islands when doing an Oral History study for JCU.

It was later proven that the land didn't belong to him, it belonged to his Uncle.
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Reply #122 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:27am
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:09am:
Raven wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:49pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Why does peccamitty and kanal both LIE about aboriginal BENIFITS?

Are they getting them?

Abbstudy BENIFITS are far more than anything poor old whites get.

Paid to go to school, is a fact.

Free education is a fact.

Free child care, is a fact.

They are put at the front of the housing list a fact.

They get additional money, perhaps not called the dole, but extra not available to the poor old whites.

They get free flights to their land if the reside elsewhere every year.


Proove it.


There was free childcare, hot meals and child pickup for the child of a friend of mine while she was studying at SCU. Not something my wife could access when she was studying at the same time. There is a division of SCU dedicated to indigenous students, my wife at one time tutored some. While it is open to all for indigenous studies, it's role is to provide Indigenous Australian Student Services.
http://www.ngunyajarjum.com/
https://www.scu.edu.au/gnibi-college-of-indigenous-australian-peoples/

I'm not saying these services should not be provided.

edit: My wife's father worked at the Curtin Indigenous Research Centre providing services to indigenous students/people.



A duplication of services based solely on race.
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Seems funny that all the Liberal voters vote Liberal and then wonder why there are no social improvements ???

It isn't rocket science.
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Reply #124 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:49am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:30am:
Seems funny that all the Liberal voters vote Liberal and then wonder why there are no social improvements ???

It isn't rocket science.



i wouldnt get too cocky.

the aboriginal issue
the idea of easy divorces
the idea of the single mothers pension
the fight to get women back into the workplace
the idea of big immigration numbers and the consequent urban sprawl and environmental problems .

these are big big issues and incredibly complex.

most people cant even get their family dynamics functional.
they have this tiny little space they occupy and like barnaby joyce or bob hawke, keating, beasley, gareth evans or kernot, they cant even get a relationship right with one person across time (and a person of their choosing).

and yet they think they have the skills to fix the issues like i listed above.?

i know what a person who can fix a complex problem looks like and they dont look like a federal politician.

and the stats agree with me.
women are more unhappy then ever befroe.
the congestion and environment have never been worse
aborigines have more illness, addiction, violence, and unemployment then before these sort of "changes " began.

you cant fix a complex system unless you know what it is.

even if its spiralling out of control (like say climate change), you cant say "its spirally out of control , we have to fix it NOW"
even if its aborigonal dysfunction, you cant say "its spiralling out of control , we have to fix it NOW".

you cant fix a military helicopter that is crashing unless you understand it intimately.
it doesnt matter how much you want to fix it. you have to understand it first.

the leftists simply lack the humility to understand this.

they are like a chimp banging on the side of a broken helicopter with a stick and then sh**t talking the conservatives for suggesting they just leave the thing alone
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Reply #125 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:52am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:27am:
Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:09am:
Raven wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:49pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Why does peccamitty and kanal both LIE about aboriginal BENIFITS?

Are they getting them?

Abbstudy BENIFITS are far more than anything poor old whites get.

Paid to go to school, is a fact.

Free education is a fact.

Free child care, is a fact.

They are put at the front of the housing list a fact.

They get additional money, perhaps not called the dole, but extra not available to the poor old whites.

They get free flights to their land if the reside elsewhere every year.


Proove it.


There was free childcare, hot meals and child pickup for the child of a friend of mine while she was studying at SCU. Not something my wife could access when she was studying at the same time. There is a division of SCU dedicated to indigenous students, my wife at one time tutored some. While it is open to all for indigenous studies, it's role is to provide Indigenous Australian Student Services.
http://www.ngunyajarjum.com/
https://www.scu.edu.au/gnibi-college-of-indigenous-australian-peoples/

I'm not saying these services should not be provided.

edit: My wife's father worked at the Curtin Indigenous Research Centre providing services to indigenous students/people.



A duplication of services based solely on race.


The grubberment tries to keep a lid on it to stop working Australians getting all, antsie about their taxes being wasted.
The only way you can find out about this stuff is to be an Abbo and applying  for them.

My Abbo mates tell me what they get and are adamant that they deserve it because it's their land.
I can't convince them otherwise, makes for hours of discussion.

Cheap loans with interest rates that we would kill for.

But the likes of peccamitty, Karnal and others, possibly who receive these BENIFITS and wish to keep the secret.

While I paid my way through uni, my Abbo mate got his virtually free.


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Reply #126 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:52am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:30am:
Seems funny that all the Liberal voters vote Liberal and then wonder why there are no social improvements ???

It isn't rocket science.


There has been many social improvements but not with this regressive race.
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It's called equality before the law Herb. What's your alternative?


Re-jig the law so that it recognises that those ore deposits were the stamping ground of the abos for 50,000 years.

I'm not saying give them an equal share, but at least a 3 to 5% share of the profits upon which they must pay tax.

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Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:27am:
A duplication of services based solely on race.


Separate services recognises the fact that there is a certain degree of disenchantment in the general community towards aborigines, and possibly likewise, and so it's more relaxing for both parties if we have our own clinics and suchlike to go to.

I warned my own Greek doctor 20 years ago that if I'm kept waiting because his Greek patients want to chuck a barbecue every time they visit him at the surgery ~ then I'll switch doctors. It worked!

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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:28am:
freediver wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:54am:
It's called equality before the law Herb. What's your alternative?


Re-jig the law so that it recognises that those ore deposits were the stamping ground of the abos for 50,000 years.

I'm not saying give them an equal share, but at least a 3 to 5% share of the profits upon which they must pay tax.



But why? They had no use for them..... they can't just keep on forever living in the past and saying they have all rights for doing nothing, and they own the land and nobody else does.

Do I get a free handout for any resources dug up on land once stomped over by my ancestors?

Not on your life, Herb - and neither do you.

It's time they earned what they have out of life, same as everyone else, and take the good with the bad, but this never-ending whining about 'owning the land' is only going to be an endless source of trouble, and will cause endless strife and eventually fighting between blacks and whites here.  And I know who'll win....

Time to say NO, and let them prosper or fail on their own merits like everyone else.

Say, bro - dat a Whitey proof fence yo got dere on Ayers Rock?  Complaining about visitors pissing in the water holes - where do and did the Kaffirs piss when they climbed the rock?
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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:04am:
But why? They had no use for them..... they can't just keep on forever living in the past and saying they have all rights for doing nothing, and they own the land and nobody else does.

Do I get a free handout for any resources dug up on land once stomped over by my ancestors?

Not on your life, Herb - and neither do you.

It's time they earned what they have out of life, same as everyone else, and take the good with the bad, but this never-ending whining about 'owning the land' is only going to be an endless source of trouble, and will cause endless strife and eventually fighting between blacks and whites here.  And I know who'll win....

Time to say NO, and let them prosper or fail on their own merits like everyone else.

Say, bro - dat a Whitey proof fence yo got dere on Ayers Rock?  Complaining about visitors pissing in the water holes - where do and did the Kaffirs piss when they climbed the rock?



It's not the past.

They're still alive and having babies, with meanwhile we have the obscene spectacle of some fat bitch over there in WA swanning around as almost the sole proprietor and owner of mountains of wealth.

3% ~ 5% of the profit per annum would I think be only fair for a people who trod that very same earth for 50,000 years.


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What are they going to do with all this land they 'own', Bro?  Go out there without Whitey's tractors and stuff and plough it up and make it work for them and feed the nation and provide the income that gives them their current free ride?? Get out there with sticks and dig up the ores and transport them to the ports that don't exist?

I can't see that happening... if all the Whiteys packed up and left tomorrow, the KKs would all die of starvation.

It's time they started getting off this 'land ownership' garbage and started working for themselves like everyone else.
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The boongs need to get over it, it's not their land anymore, a pom in a dinghy conquered them.

They're the most pathetic race on the planet....at least Maoris have a little self respect.
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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:26am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:04am:
But why? They had no use for them..... they can't just keep on forever living in the past and saying they have all rights for doing nothing, and they own the land and nobody else does.

Do I get a free handout for any resources dug up on land once stomped over by my ancestors?

Not on your life, Herb - and neither do you.

It's time they earned what they have out of life, same as everyone else, and take the good with the bad, but this never-ending whining about 'owning the land' is only going to be an endless source of trouble, and will cause endless strife and eventually fighting between blacks and whites here.  And I know who'll win....

Time to say NO, and let them prosper or fail on their own merits like everyone else.

Say, bro - dat a Whitey proof fence yo got dere on Ayers Rock?  Complaining about visitors pissing in the water holes - where do and did the Kaffirs piss when they climbed the rock?



It's not the past.

They're still alive and having babies, with meanwhile we have the obscene spectacle of some fat bitch over there in WA swanning around as almost the sole proprietor and owner of mountains of wealth.

3% ~ 5% of the profit per annum would I think be only fair for a people who trod that very same earth for 50,000 years.




You are missing the point - it doesn't matter that they're still alive - like everyone else, they have no claim to ancestral land.

Some of my ancestors were the Ancient High Kings of Ireland - do I get to go back and claim Eireland as my fiefdom and take the throne at Tara?  Or at the very least get compensation for not being able to do so since my ancestors 'owned' the land...?

"3% ~ 5% of the profit per annum would I think be only fair for a people who trod that very same earth for 50,000 years."

Why?  Aren't they capable of earning 3-5% of the profits by getting a job, an education and so forth, and aren't they already benefiting from all the resources of society already, such as defence, education, social security, and so on... or should we just indulge them as primitive savages with no ability to do anything and offer them handouts at every turn lest they fall over and die of stupidity and inability to sustain themselves other than setting fire to the bush and killing a few animals?

I'll say it again - put each one on a five year plan - you get 'clean' of your drugs, booze, spouse-beating, kid abusing... make some progress towards getting yourself into training andmaybe even a job on the same basis as everyone else .... start making yourself a useful member of society.... or your only funding will be unemployment benefit.

I'll say this again:-  I have a niece and a nephew who are part Aboriginal - the nephew is an outstanding and upstanding member of the community, works, raises a good family, etc, and drinks as much booze as the rest of the family.....  the niece has ADHD (or something), and has a lot of trouble, but essentially is not outright criminal as in stealing and such, though she skirts the edges a lot.

The niece who's had seven or so kids removed by welfare (the true welfare) is all White.... and a drug loser and so forth, with no hope at all.

NOBODY gave me a free ride in life... and I've earned and lost on my own merits for all of it, apart from a few pretty bad managers I've worked with in the past who deserve rooting .... if only such idiots could simply be ignored, but they can create a hell of a lot of trouble for many.

Point is - Aboriginals can make it for themselves if they choose to - endlessly propping up failure will not help them in any way.

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Oh - as for Gina - you know already I detest the idea that someone can simply lay claim to a resource of this nation and then effectively own it.... resources belong to the people as a whole..... and old Lang should never have been allowed to stake it all out.

Gina turned $27Bn into $12Bn within eighteen months of taking over the reins.... great business head... if it weren't for the utter stupidity and cupidity of governments in permitting such persons to engage in multiple areas of business, in which they never use their own money BTW - it's all borrowed on the national debt - they would be nothing.

Being handed the inside running does not mean you are actually good at anything.

Now you begin to see the benefits of applying income tax to such things as a free gift of a ride in the company plane....
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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:57am:
If you don't vote "YES!" - I'll point my boner at you.


You mean I have to vote?  T Winkhat's whitey's way, bro - burn it to the ground....


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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:58am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:57am:
If you don't vote "YES!" - I'll point my boner at you.


You mean I have to vote?  T Winkhat's whitey's way, bro - burn it to the ground....


right ... I've got my boner pointed at you. Expect to fall pregnant before Christmas.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
Do the Maoris pay the Moriori for their past possession of NZ? 


The Moriori never possessed the islands of New Zealand, Graps.    Roll Eyes

In 1835 Māori tribes from the Wellington area arrived in the Chathams, driven south in search of new land, and claiming ownership of the Chathams. A number of Morioris were killed and others captured.
The Moriori numbers fell to 101. Most of the Māori eventually left the Chathams by 1870. It was Solomon's grandfather, the chief of the Rauru tribe, who convinced the Moriori to remain pacifist during the invasion of their land. Tame Horomona Rehe Solomon, known as Tommy Solomon, the last full blooded Moriori, died in 1933.

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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:49am:
Oh - as for Gina - you know already I detest the idea that someone can simply lay claim to a resource of this nation and then effectively own it.... resources belong to the people as a whole..... and old Lang should never have been allowed to stake it all out.
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The resources are owned by the state, if anyone wants to mine them they have to pay the state for them.


Why do you think people can come and just take resources without paying for them?

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BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 10:58am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:49am:
Oh - as for Gina - you know already I detest the idea that someone can simply lay claim to a resource of this nation and then effectively own it.... resources belong to the people as a whole..... and old Lang should never have been allowed to stake it all out.
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The resources are owned by the state, if anyone wants to mine them they have to pay the state for them.


Why do you think people can come and just take resources without paying for them?



Putting a claim on it means the State pays royalties... an outdated concept from the days when communication and social/economic issues were far different...

When someone extracts the resources, they in turn pay royalties to the state.... a cumbersome approach.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:01pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 10:58am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:49am:
Oh - as for Gina - you know already I detest the idea that someone can simply lay claim to a resource of this nation and then effectively own it.... resources belong to the people as a whole..... and old Lang should never have been allowed to stake it all out.
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The resources are owned by the state, if anyone wants to mine them they have to pay the state for them.


Why do you think people can come and just take resources without paying for them?



Putting a claim on it means the State pays royalties... an outdated concept from the days when communication and social/economic issues were far different...

When someone extracts the resources, they in turn pay royalties to the state.... a cumbersome approach.



Much like when you get something from a shop you pay for it before you take it out the door.

Surely you wouldn't demand they pay for resources in full before that have even extracted. processed, transported and sold the product would you?


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On the Central Coast of NSW we had the national parks eyeing a peninsular hoping to do what they do best, lock off land from use.

They were not winning, so they joined forces with the local abbo crime syndicate group.
After many months/ years of fighting, on our money against our money, the courts decided in favor of the local abbo crime syndicate group.

Before the ink was dry, the abbos signed over said land, or most of it (they had a deal with national parks) to a group of developers who promptly built a hugenormously expensive resort, only for rich people.

The money (tens of millions) was half gone in a couple of years.
The abbos, instead of using this money wisely to support, house, feed and cloth the local abbos, wasted it on everything from fancy cars to God knows what.

An executor was appointed to stop them wasting money, and they kicked up an almighty row about being robbed.
But the order held and the money has lasted many years.
Now they are whyning that they have no land and that it was stolen from them.

I say, give them a one off cash settlement for their land, the one and olny chance, no more.

They will have to live on this money, no further assistance from us.
No dole, no housing, no nuffink.

Give them 200 billion, 300 billion, hell give them 500 billion.

But after that, they get no more.
No more land rights, they have to live on what they get and we no longer have to put up with all this bull shite.

It would pay for itself in 5 years, after that, we could start using all this wasted money on something worthwhile.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:34am:
What are they going to do with all this land they 'own', Bro?  Go out there without Whitey's tractors and stuff and plough it up and make it work for them and feed the nation and provide the income that gives them their current free ride?? Get out there with sticks and dig up the ores and transport them to the ports that don't exist?

I can't see that happening... if all the Whiteys packed up and left tomorrow, the KKs would all die of starvation.

It's time they started getting off this 'land ownership' garbage and started working for themselves like everyone else.



Quite clearly you lack the capacity to understand the issue. What you call a free ride is in fact wrong in most cases, you seem to think a free ride is living in horrendous conditions, lacking access to medical services and lacking a basic education. You quite clearly don't understand the dynamics of Indigenous culture and the attachment they have with their land.
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goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:34am:
What are they going to do with all this land they 'own', Bro?  Go out there without Whitey's tractors and stuff and plough it up and make it work for them and feed the nation and provide the income that gives them their current free ride?? Get out there with sticks and dig up the ores and transport them to the ports that don't exist?

I can't see that happening... if all the Whiteys packed up and left tomorrow, the KKs would all die of starvation.

It's time they started getting off this 'land ownership' garbage and started working for themselves like everyone else.



Quite clearly you lack the capacity to understand the issue. What you call a free ride is in fact wrong in most cases, you seem to think a free ride is living in horrendous conditions, lacking access to medical services and lacking a basic education. You quite clearly don't understand the dynamics of Indigenous culture and the attachment they have with their land.


Quite clearly you lack the capacity to do anything but try to put down your betters.

Got a single answer to any issue raised?

Do you have a problem with expecting that those 'living in horrendous conditions' will make some effort for themselves instead of declaring they want to burn the nation down?

They may retain their 'attachment to' the land - but that doesn't equate to ownership... and a farmer has the same 'attachment to' the land as well.  No difference in any way.

Offer some positives... you're standing still while revving your mouth there, boy... just like all the Kaffir Luvvahs.
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goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:34am:
What are they going to do with all this land they 'own', Bro?  Go out there without Whitey's tractors and stuff and plough it up and make it work for them and feed the nation and provide the income that gives them their current free ride?? Get out there with sticks and dig up the ores and transport them to the ports that don't exist?

I can't see that happening... if all the Whiteys packed up and left tomorrow, the KKs would all die of starvation.

It's time they started getting off this 'land ownership' garbage and started working for themselves like everyone else.



Quite clearly you lack the capacity to understand the issue. What you call a free ride is in fact wrong in most cases, you seem to think a free ride is living in horrendous conditions, lacking access to medical services and lacking a basic education. You quite clearly don't understand the dynamics of Indigenous culture and the attachment they have with their land.


Its their own damn fault.
They have the same, correction, more opportunity to better themselves than anyone white.

My parents worked all their lives on a very low wage.
Dad and mom were both unskilled.

I went to tafe , then uni all under my own steam, with no help and bettered myself
I became a tradesman, then an engineer, then an engineering manager.

EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY

But the chronically lazy abos think we owe them.

They need tough love, they need to be made to sink or swim.
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BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:01pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 10:58am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:49am:
Oh - as for Gina - you know already I detest the idea that someone can simply lay claim to a resource of this nation and then effectively own it.... resources belong to the people as a whole..... and old Lang should never have been allowed to stake it all out.
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The resources are owned by the state, if anyone wants to mine them they have to pay the state for them.


Why do you think people can come and just take resources without paying for them?



Putting a claim on it means the State pays royalties... an outdated concept from the days when communication and social/economic issues were far different...

When someone extracts the resources, they in turn pay royalties to the state.... a cumbersome approach.



Much like when you get something from a shop you pay for it before you take it out the door.

Surely you wouldn't demand they pay for resources in full before that have even extracted. processed, transported and sold the product would you?





They would at a shop... and I'm not discussing that - I'm discussing (buzz phrase coming) .. Ownership Of the Lend and the resources on and under it.... just like our Kaffir Luvvah mate is trying to put over...

When I purchase a piece of land, I can guarantee you I have an attachment to it.... more than some wanderer walking across it... what an absolute load of cods....
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Valkie wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
On the Central Coast of NSW we had the national parks eyeing a peninsular hoping to do what they do best, lock off land from use.

They were not winning, so they joined forces with the local abbo crime syndicate group.
After many months/ years of fighting, on our money against our money, the courts decided in favor of the local abbo crime syndicate group.

Before the ink was dry, the abbos signed over said land, or most of it (they had a deal with national parks) to a group of developers who promptly built a hugenormously expensive resort, only for rich people.

The money (tens of millions) was half gone in a couple of years.
The abbos, instead of using this money wisely to support, house, feed and cloth the local abbos, wasted it on everything from fancy cars to God knows what.

An executor was appointed to stop them wasting money, and they kicked up an almighty row about being robbed.
But the order held and the money has lasted many years.
Now they are whyning that they have no land and that it was stolen from them.

I say, give them a one off cash settlement for their land, the one and olny chance, no more.

They will have to live on this money, no further assistance from us.
No dole, no housing, no nuffink.

Give them 200 billion, 300 billion, hell give them 500 billion.

But after that, they get no more.
No more land rights, they have to live on what they get and we no longer have to put up with all this bull shite.

It would pay for itself in 5 years, after that, we could start using all this wasted money on something worthwhile.



Interesting... which peninsula was that?
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Reply #149 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:21pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
On the Central Coast of NSW we had the national parks eyeing a peninsular hoping to do what they do best, lock off land from use.

They were not winning, so they joined forces with the local abbo crime syndicate group.
After many months/ years of fighting, on our money against our money, the courts decided in favor of the local abbo crime syndicate group.

Before the ink was dry, the abbos signed over said land, or most of it (they had a deal with national parks) to a group of developers who promptly built a hugenormously expensive resort, only for rich people.

The money (tens of millions) was half gone in a couple of years.
The abbos, instead of using this money wisely to support, house, feed and cloth the local abbos, wasted it on everything from fancy cars to God knows what.

An executor was appointed to stop them wasting money, and they kicked up an almighty row about being robbed.
But the order held and the money has lasted many years.
Now they are whyning that they have no land and that it was stolen from them.

I say, give them a one off cash settlement for their land, the one and olny chance, no more.

They will have to live on this money, no further assistance from us.
No dole, no housing, no nuffink.

Give them 200 billion, 300 billion, hell give them 500 billion.

But after that, they get no more.
No more land rights, they have to live on what they get and we no longer have to put up with all this bull shite.

It would pay for itself in 5 years, after that, we could start using all this wasted money on something worthwhile.

Absolutely disgusting. The abos did the same thing at Crescent Head some years back.
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A GROUP of NSW Aborigines who won the first native title claim on the Australian mainland following the historic Mabo decision yesterday celebrated a $6.1 million compensation payout which the state government has made 14 years later.
At a ceremony in Kempsey, Ruth Campbell-Maruca, chairwoman of the Dunghutti Elders Council Aboriginal Corporation, declared that the 1996 agreement between her people and the government recognising their ownership of 12.4 hectares at Crescent Head was a ''first treaty''.
The Dunghutti's agreement to surrender their native title on land to be developed at Crescent Head led to the payment, the NSW Minister for Lands, Tony Kelly, said at the ceremony, attended by 60 elders.
Thirteen years ago, a Federal Court judge said the agreement was the first ever made between the Crown and Aboriginal people. The government decided to make the agreement after development approval was granted over some of the land before anyone realised native title could still exist there.
The Dunghutti got $738,000 in compensation in 1997 under Federal Court orders based on that agreement, with another block of money to be paid 10 years later, their lawyer, Eddy Neumann, explained.

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It seems they don't want the Lend for their relationship to it - but for the relationship of the cash to it... bet they weren't planning to burn that.....

It's all hokum and a rort, and a snide way of governments paying them off... won't stop the whining, though....

Funny how all this 'sacred land for sale' is in the prime spots.
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Reply #152 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:48pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:07pm:
goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:34am:
What are they going to do with all this land they 'own', Bro?  Go out there without Whitey's tractors and stuff and plough it up and make it work for them and feed the nation and provide the income that gives them their current free ride?? Get out there with sticks and dig up the ores and transport them to the ports that don't exist?

I can't see that happening... if all the Whiteys packed up and left tomorrow, the KKs would all die of starvation.

It's time they started getting off this 'land ownership' garbage and started working for themselves like everyone else.



Quite clearly you lack the capacity to understand the issue. What you call a free ride is in fact wrong in most cases, you seem to think a free ride is living in horrendous conditions, lacking access to medical services and lacking a basic education. You quite clearly don't understand the dynamics of Indigenous culture and the attachment they have with their land.


Quite clearly you lack the capacity to do anything but try to put down your betters.

Got a single answer to any issue raised?

Do you have a problem with expecting that those 'living in horrendous conditions' will make some effort for themselves instead of declaring they want to burn the nation down?

They may retain their 'attachment to' the land - but that doesn't equate to ownership... and a farmer has the same 'attachment to' the land as well.  No difference in any way.

Offer some positives... you're standing still while revving your mouth there, boy... just like all the Kaffir Luvvahs.


To your first point, I am not putting anyone down rather I am stating facts. Facts that I have seen, heard and experienced. It seem some people struggle to swallow facts that a provided. I don't have any answers, rather I have suggestions, suggestions which many would and many wouldn't agree with.

Your second point. I don't doubt that some should make the effort, some that seem to be continually exploiting the system. However that is for a minority. The conditions they are living in, which you seem to not understand, are in remote Australia. These conditions are a result of our government attempting to put in place housing, increases in technology and absurd programs. The accessibility element of this is extraordinary. The closest hospital can be 500-2000km away, same goes for different services. Not to mention the foreign diseases that were introduced by 'us'. You also clearly don't understand the complexity of the Dreaming and their spirituality. The land is the medium they live off and thus they have this obligation to look after the land. No difference to you but to some it is. It is not the same connection as a farmer, the farmer brought the land the Aboriginals inherited the land.

Once again I am not revving my mouth, I quite simply am stating the facts. Its the facts that you cannot come to accept.

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Valkie wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:08pm:
goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:34am:
What are they going to do with all this land they 'own', Bro?  Go out there without Whitey's tractors and stuff and plough it up and make it work for them and feed the nation and provide the income that gives them their current free ride?? Get out there with sticks and dig up the ores and transport them to the ports that don't exist?

I can't see that happening... if all the Whiteys packed up and left tomorrow, the KKs would all die of starvation.

It's time they started getting off this 'land ownership' garbage and started working for themselves like everyone else.



Quite clearly you lack the capacity to understand the issue. What you call a free ride is in fact wrong in most cases, you seem to think a free ride is living in horrendous conditions, lacking access to medical services and lacking a basic education. You quite clearly don't understand the dynamics of Indigenous culture and the attachment they have with their land.


Its their own damn fault.
They have the same, correction, more opportunity to better themselves than anyone white.

My parents worked all their lives on a very low wage.
Dad and mom were both unskilled.

I went to tafe , then uni all under my own steam, with no help and bettered myself
I became a tradesman, then an engineer, then an engineering manager.

EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY

But the chronically lazy abos think we owe them.

They need tough love, they need to be made to sink or swim.


Firstly you need to update yourself on the history of Australia. So your saying it so happens to be their fault we invaded their country, a fact that cannot be denied. Your saying that you couldn't care less that we introduced foreign diseases into their country or needlessly removed children from their parents.

More opportunity is most definitely true, I accept that point. However you have to ask yourself this question. Is more opportunity valuable without education on how to take up that opportunity? I have not doubt there are some Aboriginals who exploit the system but the vast majority need education on how to take up these opportunities.

I am not going to make any comment on you or your family, because I quite simply don't know your background. However I can say this. The voice and arrogance you present simply insights me into your narrowed, privileged attitude. How dare you say they are chronically lazy and they need to tough up. I pose this, have you ever talked to an Aboriginal or been in one of their communities? This might insight into some of the points I made.
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It's called equality before the law Herb. What's your alternative?


Re-jig the law so that it recognises that those ore deposits were the stamping ground of the abos for 50,000 years.

I'm not saying give them an equal share, but at least a 3 to 5% share of the profits upon which they must pay tax.



Based on what? Skin colour? Race?
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Reply #155 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:39pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:01pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 10:58am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:49am:
Oh - as for Gina - you know already I detest the idea that someone can simply lay claim to a resource of this nation and then effectively own it.... resources belong to the people as a whole..... and old Lang should never have been allowed to stake it all out.
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The resources are owned by the state, if anyone wants to mine them they have to pay the state for them.


Why do you think people can come and just take resources without paying for them?



Putting a claim on it means the State pays royalties... an outdated concept from the days when communication and social/economic issues were far different...

When someone extracts the resources, they in turn pay royalties to the state.... a cumbersome approach.



Much like when you get something from a shop you pay for it before you take it out the door.

Surely you wouldn't demand they pay for resources in full before that have even extracted. processed, transported and sold the product would you?





They would at a shop... and I'm not discussing that - I'm discussing (buzz phrase coming) .. Ownership Of the Lend and the resources on and under it.... just like our Kaffir Luvvah mate is trying to put over...

When I purchase a piece of land, I can guarantee you I have an attachment to it.... more than some wanderer walking across it... what an absolute load of cods....



Now I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Mining companies don't buy land the just pay the state for the resources under it. The right to sit on land depends on who owns the land. The federal gov, a landholder or blackfella may own the land and that is a whole different situation depending whose it is or combination of entities.

You know you can look this sh1t up, don't you?



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Reply #156 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:45pm
 
goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:03pm:
Firstly you need to update yourself on the history of Australia. So your saying it so happens to be their fault we invaded their country, a fact that cannot be denied. Your saying that you couldn't care less that we introduced foreign diseases into their country or needlessly removed children from their parents.

More opportunity is most definitely true, I accept that point. However you have to ask yourself this question. Is more opportunity valuable without education on how to take up that opportunity? I have not doubt there are some Aboriginals who exploit the system but the vast majority need education on how to take up these opportunities.

I am not going to make any comment on you or your family, because I quite simply don't know your background. However I can say this. The voice and arrogance you present simply insights me into your narrowed, privileged attitude. How dare you say they are chronically lazy and they need to tough up. I pose this, have you ever talked to an Aboriginal or been in one of their communities? This might insight into some of the points I made.


"we" didn't invade it - the British government sent a bunch of convicts here with some guards... once you get past that 'invasion' nonsense, we can begin to talk for real.

As far as I am aware, diseases run their own show... and the children removed were for good reason, such as abuse and neglect and early death and high infant mortality rate.

As I said - sign each individual up to a five year contract - here is your assistance - get out of your slum living, your violence, your drink and drugs, get education and training, and stand in line for jobs like everyone else. How is it they are 'lacking' in opportunity when there are Aboriginal specific scholarships, programs, and good deals .. I had a girlfriend once - studying nursing - she paid her fees and her accommodation and traveled at her cost every week - she had a friend in the same town, an Aboriginal lady, who was flown to Sydney every week for her study, had her fees paid, and her accommodation paid, as well as holding down a 'job' running around in a Land Cruiser to spy out 'sacred sites'.

Now I don't know what you call that... but I call it MORE than 'equal opportunity' - and you and countless others have not yet escaped the semantic trap of stupid and self-serving government bodies working out that 'equal employment (etc) opportunity' meant you should spoon feed specified groups at the expense of the rest... that rest somehow by virtue of belonging to another social group, having had all the advantages.

Frankly insane.

I was born here - my families have been here since the 1850's - we have a 'connection to the land' as well..... you have no idea of my views and the reasons for them... but let me tell you - certainly my life was nowhere near as 'privileged' as your snotty nose suggests yours was and is.

And yes I have - I lived among Aboriginals and White people who live with them in marriages and such... and they all agree with me.  That's where I got my ideas, not out of some spoon fed ideology, restructuring of history, and half-baked ideas about reality out of some book someone else wrote.

"I am not going to make any comment on you or your family, because I quite simply don't know your background. However I can say this. The voice and arrogance you present simply insights me into your narrowed, privileged attitude."

Talk about arrogant, opinionated and privileged attitude.....

Come back when you can talk sense and not some pap someone fed you.

AND!  How dare you even begin to suggest that anyone who hasn't lived here as a nomad with no rights in any way for 40,000 years (amazing how that nonsense keeps going up), is somehow a second class citizen in their own country?
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Reply #157 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:48pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:39pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:01pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 10:58am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:49am:
Oh - as for Gina - you know already I detest the idea that someone can simply lay claim to a resource of this nation and then effectively own it.... resources belong to the people as a whole..... and old Lang should never have been allowed to stake it all out.
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The resources are owned by the state, if anyone wants to mine them they have to pay the state for them.


Why do you think people can come and just take resources without paying for them?



Putting a claim on it means the State pays royalties... an outdated concept from the days when communication and social/economic issues were far different...

When someone extracts the resources, they in turn pay royalties to the state.... a cumbersome approach.



Much like when you get something from a shop you pay for it before you take it out the door.

Surely you wouldn't demand they pay for resources in full before that have even extracted. processed, transported and sold the product would you?





They would at a shop... and I'm not discussing that - I'm discussing (buzz phrase coming) .. Ownership Of the Lend and the resources on and under it.... just like our Kaffir Luvvah mate is trying to put over...

When I purchase a piece of land, I can guarantee you I have an attachment to it.... more than some wanderer walking across it... what an absolute load of cods....



Now I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Mining companies don't buy land the just pay the state for the resources under it. The right to sit on land depends on who owns the land. The federal gov, a landholder or blackfella may own the land and that is a whole different situation depending whose it is or combination of entities.

You know you can look this sh1t up, don't you?





You are the one lost - nowhere did I say companies 'owned' the resources.. I only spoke about royalties.

Get with the program here...
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Reply #158 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:32pm
 
Just to let you know that I'm well in front of you - the moment you start coming out with nonsense like a certain group, who never owned anything but what they wore or what they could carry and maybe a woman or two, for 40,000 years ... now suddenly 'own' the land entirely....

You are saying that all the other people here, the majority, own nothing.... and thus have no rights to anything.....and are thus second class citizens to a mob of nomadic wanderers with a host of social problems who never managed to do one thing in 40,000 years other than occasionally burn the bush down...

Maybe you'd like to test that on the field of battle, and see how far your WAR lot get.... considering most of you are university type twerps with no relationship with blacks, I'd say you'll hit the ground fast...

What saddens me is that my daughter probably, without too much thinking, agrees with you... but she will never give up what is hers, either... and you can't put old heads on young shoulders... or prevent the idiot savants who are 'educated' from pontificating to the rest of us.
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Reply #159 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:33pm
 
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Do the Maoris pay the Moriori for their past possession of NZ? 


The Moriori never possessed the islands of New Zealand, Graps.    Roll Eyes


And the Aboriginals never possessed the island continent of Australia.


High Court of Australia says otherwise.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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"The Moriori in New Zealand

Based on the writing of Percy Smith and Elsdon Best, theories grew up that the Māori had displaced a more primitive pre-Māori population of Moriori (sometimes described as a small-statured, dark-skinned race of possible Melanesian origin), in mainland New Zealand – and that the Chatham Island Moriori were the last remnant of this earlier race. These theories also had the advantage – from the view of the European settlers – of undermining the notion of the Māori as the indigenous people of New Zealand, making them just one in a neat progression of waves of migration and conquest by increasingly more civilised and technically able peoples. This in turn was used to justify racist stereotyping, colonisation and conquest by cultural "superiors".[27][28]

These theories were widely published in the early twentieth century,[29] and crucially, this story was promoted in a series of three articles in the School Journal of 1916,[30] and the 1934 A. W. Reed's schoolbook The Coming of the Maori to Ao-tea-roa [30] —and therefore became familiar to generations of schoolchildren.

A number of historians, anthropologists and ethnologists, however, examined and rejected the hypothesis of a racially distinct pre-Māori Moriori people. Among them, anthropologist H.D. Skinner in 1923,[31] ethnologist Roger Duff in the 1940s,[32] and historian and ethnographer Arthur Thomson in 1959,[33] as did Michael King's Moriori: A People Rediscovered in 2000 and James Belich[34] and K.R. Howe in Te Ara: The Encyclopedia of New Zealand.[32]"

No definitive proof... but the issue still stands - the Maori came from Polynesia and displaced someone...

How about :-  Do MY wave of Gaelic ancestors to Ireland pay rent to the first wave whom they displaced, and turned into the mythical 'little people'?

No - they do not......


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  All those findings, all those academics, all that knowledge, discounted, just like that, hey, Graps?  It is just inconvenient, isn't it?  The Moriori did not own New Zealand.  They in fact never made it to New Zealand.   There is no evidence of a Pre-Maori culture.  It is purely a European invention.  There is no evidence to support it.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #161 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:09pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:45pm:
goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:03pm:
Firstly you need to update yourself on the history of Australia. So your saying it so happens to be their fault we invaded their country, a fact that cannot be denied. Your saying that you couldn't care less that we introduced foreign diseases into their country or needlessly removed children from their parents.

More opportunity is most definitely true, I accept that point. However you have to ask yourself this question. Is more opportunity valuable without education on how to take up that opportunity? I have not doubt there are some Aboriginals who exploit the system but the vast majority need education on how to take up these opportunities.

I am not going to make any comment on you or your family, because I quite simply don't know your background. However I can say this. The voice and arrogance you present simply insights me into your narrowed, privileged attitude. How dare you say they are chronically lazy and they need to tough up. I pose this, have you ever talked to an Aboriginal or been in one of their communities? This might insight into some of the points I made.


"we" didn't invade it - the British government sent a bunch of convicts here with some guards... once you get past that 'invasion' nonsense, we can begin to talk for real.

As far as I am aware, diseases run their own show... and the children removed were for good reason, such as abuse and neglect and early death and high infant mortality rate.

As I said - sign each individual up to a five year contract - here is your assistance - get out of your slum living, your violence, your drink and drugs, get education and training, and stand in line for jobs like everyone else. How is it they are 'lacking' in opportunity when there are Aboriginal specific scholarships, programs, and good deals .. I had a girlfriend once - studying nursing - she paid her fees and her accommodation and traveled at her cost every week - she had a friend in the same town, an Aboriginal lady, who was flown to Sydney every week for her study, had her fees paid, and her accommodation paid, as well as holding down a 'job' running around in a Land Cruiser to spy out 'sacred sites'.

Now I don't know what you call that... but I call it MORE than 'equal opportunity' - and you and countless others have not yet escaped the semantic trap of stupid and self-serving government bodies working out that 'equal employment (etc) opportunity' meant you should spoon feed specified groups at the expense of the rest... that rest somehow by virtue of belonging to another social group, having had all the advantages.

Frankly insane.

I was born here - my families have been here since the 1850's - we have a 'connection to the land' as well..... you have no idea of my views and the reasons for them... but let me tell you - certainly my life was nowhere near as 'privileged' as your snotty nose suggests yours was and is.

And yes I have - I lived among Aboriginals and White people who live with them in marriages and such... and they all agree with me.  That's where I got my ideas, not out of some spoon fed ideology, restructuring of history, and half-baked ideas about reality out of some book someone else wrote.

"I am not going to make any comment on you or your family, because I quite simply don't know your background. However I can say this. The voice and arrogance you present simply insights me into your narrowed, privileged attitude."

Talk about arrogant, opinionated and privileged attitude.....

Come back when you can talk sense and not some pap someone fed you.

AND!  How dare you even begin to suggest that anyone who hasn't lived here as a nomad with no rights in any way for 40,000 years (amazing how that nonsense keeps going up), is somehow a second class citizen in their own country?



It is not nonsense, it the facts of history.

To your second point that is actually incorrect the British introduced diseases like small pox, measles and many more. They were introduced, not running their own show. They don't just happen to jump thousands of kilometres over the ocean.

How dare you state it was for good reason. The question I pose is "would you like your children forcibly removed?" Now who are you state, when they had been here for over 40,000 years which is historical fact (which you seem to not like) that they were being abused. Their culture is most definitely very different to ours hence the reason they saw the perceived abuses, which was merely rituals and various other ceremonies.

You clearly lack the capacity to understand that this situation is not as easy as that. In relation to the scholarships. Many don't even know about scholarships, education programs when they are 500km from any civilisation. There is a clash between the modern world and their cultural world. People like you touch on the surface and look at things on face value rather than understand and accept the issue.

I never suggested I was privileged, you implied that. No one fed me that 'pap', it is through experience and through intrigue that I have researched and first hand witnessed the issue. Then you tell me I am arrogant, when you are denying history. Your the privileged individual, as you demonise every element of there existence. How dare you treat them like second class citizens.
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How say you?

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Sorry Herb ... silly poll choices.
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Reply #163 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:36pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:49am:
Oh - as for Gina - you know already I detest the idea that someone can simply lay claim to a resource of this nation and then effectively own it.... resources belong to the people as a whole..... and old Lang should never have been allowed to stake it all out.

Gina turned $27Bn into $12Bn within eighteen months of taking over the reins.... great business head... if it weren't for the utter stupidity and cupidity of governments in permitting such persons to engage in multiple areas of business, in which they never use their own money BTW - it's all borrowed on the national debt - they would be nothing.

Being handed the inside running does not mean you are actually good at anything.

Now you begin to see the benefits of applying income tax to such things as a free gift of a ride in the company plane....


Spot on.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:34am:
What are they going to do with all this land they 'own', Bro?  Go out there without Whitey's tractors and stuff and plough it up and make it work for them and feed the nation and provide the income that gives them their current free ride?? Get out there with sticks and dig up the ores and transport them to the ports that don't exist?

I can't see that happening... if all the Whiteys packed up and left tomorrow, the KKs would all die of starvation.

It's time they started getting off this 'land ownership' garbage and started working for themselves like everyone else.



Quite clearly you lack the capacity to understand the issue. What you call a free ride is in fact wrong in most cases, you seem to think a free ride is living in horrendous conditions, lacking access to medical services and lacking a basic education. You quite clearly don't understand the dynamics of Indigenous culture and the attachment they have with their land.



Grin Another Queens St intellectual pretending. Roll Eyes

Any horrendous living conditions are self made.... medical & educational facilities are supplied ...

you're the one who is clueless  regarding the "dynamics" of Indigenous culture.

Their attachment to the land you say?

Yeah you ought see they way they treat the land especially the land around the houses they have, built by taxpayers.

Get off that high horse ..... & get back on your Ass. Eeeaww
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Reply #165 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:41pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
Brian:-

"The Moriori in New Zealand

Based on the writing of Percy Smith and Elsdon Best, theories grew up that the Māori had displaced a more primitive pre-Māori population of Moriori (sometimes described as a small-statured, dark-skinned race of possible Melanesian origin), in mainland New Zealand – and that the Chatham Island Moriori were the last remnant of this earlier race. These theories also had the advantage – from the view of the European settlers – of undermining the notion of the Māori as the indigenous people of New Zealand, making them just one in a neat progression of waves of migration and conquest by increasingly more civilised and technically able peoples. This in turn was used to justify racist stereotyping, colonisation and conquest by cultural "superiors".[27][28]

These theories were widely published in the early twentieth century,[29] and crucially, this story was promoted in a series of three articles in the School Journal of 1916,[30] and the 1934 A. W. Reed's schoolbook The Coming of the Maori to Ao-tea-roa [30] —and therefore became familiar to generations of schoolchildren.

A number of historians, anthropologists and ethnologists, however, examined and rejected the hypothesis of a racially distinct pre-Māori Moriori people. Among them, anthropologist H.D. Skinner in 1923,[31] ethnologist Roger Duff in the 1940s,[32] and historian and ethnographer Arthur Thomson in 1959,[33] as did Michael King's Moriori: A People Rediscovered in 2000 and James Belich[34] and K.R. Howe in Te Ara: The Encyclopedia of New Zealand.[32]"

No definitive proof... but the issue still stands - the Maori came from Polynesia and displaced someone...

How about :-  Do MY wave of Gaelic ancestors to Ireland pay rent to the first wave whom they displaced, and turned into the mythical 'little people'?

No - they do not......


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  All those findings, all those academics, all that knowledge, discounted, just like that, hey, Graps?  It is just inconvenient, isn't it?  The Moriori did not own New Zealand.  They in fact never made it to New Zealand.   There is no evidence of a Pre-Maori culture.  It is purely a European invention.  There is no evidence to support it.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


How quaint you take the exact opposite stance in this country .... & there were others here pre- Aboriginal.

The Maori went to the Chathams though ... invaded it & killed off or bred the Moriori out ... before they decided to leave.

Nothing similar to your stance/claim about Australian history there is there? Roll Eyes
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Reply #166 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:10pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:34am:
What are they going to do with all this land they 'own', Bro?  Go out there without Whitey's tractors and stuff and plough it up and make it work for them and feed the nation and provide the income that gives them their current free ride?? Get out there with sticks and dig up the ores and transport them to the ports that don't exist?

I can't see that happening... if all the Whiteys packed up and left tomorrow, the KKs would all die of starvation.

It's time they started getting off this 'land ownership' garbage and started working for themselves like everyone else.



Quite clearly you lack the capacity to understand the issue. What you call a free ride is in fact wrong in most cases, you seem to think a free ride is living in horrendous conditions, lacking access to medical services and lacking a basic education. You quite clearly don't understand the dynamics of Indigenous culture and the attachment they have with their land.



Grin Another Queens St intellectual pretending. Roll Eyes

Any horrendous living conditions are self made.... medical & educational facilities are supplied ...

you're the one who is clueless  regarding the "dynamics" of Indigenous culture.

Their attachment to the land you say?

Yeah you ought see they way they treat the land especially the land around the houses they have, built by taxpayers.

Get off that high horse ..... & get back on your Ass. Eeeaww



Another ignorant, narrow minded individual thinking their smart.
You quite clearly haven't witnessed these conditions first hand or had the depth to explore the issues at hand. If you seriously believe they have been supplied to the Indigenous, you are very wrong. They are 500km from any civilised town.

To state I am clueless is not true. In fact I have some understand the dynamics of the Indigenous culture. You seem to be implying that your the 'expert' on their culture, insight on your detailed knowledge of the Dreaming. I really do dislike people who comment, when they themselves haven't experienced anything first hand and are utilising unreliable and fabricated sources.

That money by tax payers is being wrongly spent by the Government. It is being put into housing and technology for them, which they do not want, many want to live off the land. It is then used wrongly etc.. and it all comes back to their education and their understanding. That is a governmental problem not an Indigenous problem. I am not on any high horse because I can treat everyone with a level of respect, something you cannot highlighted through your arrogance and ignorance toward the Indigenous people.
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Reply #167 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:21pm
 
[quote author=goldkam link=1518519771/161#161 date=1518944968]

Now for the FNGs here - try deleting the strand that is not necessary, or you run out of room.  Makes it hard for those of us who really know stuff to chew your arse bit by bit.

History - depends on what 'history' you wish to cite.  The British did NOT arrive here with a conquering army armed to the teeth, they were poorly armed and in small numbers, and if there had been any 'invasion' and a 'government' to oppose it, they would have been swept into the sea.

There was no 'nation' to invade, and no opposition, and they simply set foot on the place, installed several hundred convicts and a few guards, and set about building.

Are you seriously going to tell me that was an 'invasion'?

Diseases were not introduced as a weapon of war, as you seek to insinuate - those diseases were common then, and countless millions died from them.  It was just a fact of life at the time, and are you now prepared to suggest that modern health practices should not be applied to Aboriginals, so as to prevent and cure such illnesses - a gradual process that has lead to greater lifespan and health standards for EVERYONE?  Same standard.
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I have a niece who is a drug addict and has AIDS - she has had seven children removed from her for their own safety... NO member of my family has any problem with that.

Would you rather that all Aboriginal children be left in their current situation and allowed to expire genteelly from natural causes or abuse at an early age and for the girls to become pregnant at fourteen or fifteen?  The REASON the infant mortality rate amongst Aboriginals is still so high is because they choose to live the way they do, often in remote communities on a poor diet, and with endemic violence, alcoholism and drug use, and neglect and lack of care to prevent infections etc, not because they are 'abandoned' and don't have access to facilities.

I'll bet you were one of those on the barricades when the Australian Army sent in medical teams to remote communities to innoculate etc and help with illness (I'm ex-RAAMC, BTW - first posting) - saying this was some kind of 'second invasion'.

As for the '40,000 years' - my point was that has magically turned into '80,000 years'.... what is YOUR point?

There you go with that 'lack of capacity' nonsense - from someone who has yet to take a trick... get out of that personal insult to anyone with a different view, son, and you might start to get ahead.

Indeed - you did not suggest you were 'privileged' - you insulted, in a privileged and scornful way, others here who have made their way on their own merits, by suggesting not only that in doing so they were privileged, but that somehow under your concept of right in this nation, they had no rights to ownership of their own nation or anything in it, since a bunch of nomads owned everything.

Let me put this to you - they can take over the whole shebang - AFTER they pay for the establishment costs and all the other things that went into creating this nation as it now is.

Again for the  record - I am NOT English - I am part Irish, Scottish, German Jewish, part North American Indian, and part Chinese or Indian.....  and I have little time for the Sassenach....

So don't call me some kind of invader when my families migrated here as free settlers when there was nothing here and a total population well under one million, and then built the place up so the Aboriginals could get by on social security and scholarships and special jobs and such, and could even get a job in the White Man's world if they chose to.

I was born here, son - generations of my family have fought for this country - you watch your tongue around Australians.... we OWN what we worked and fought for..... and as far as I know not one of my ancestors ever oppressed an Aboriginal.

What part of that do you not understand?
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Again for the  record - I am NOT English - I am part Irish, Scottish, German Jewish, part North American Indian, and part Chinese or Indian.....  and I have little time for the Sassenach....


You forgot the Welsh and Cornish ancestry.

I'd like a dollar for every time I've heard an Aussie whose only language is English, and all of whose national institutions and cultural heritage are directly a legacy from the Brits ~ say they have no 'English' in them.

The system you Skippies live by is not Irish, or Scottish, or German Jewish, or North America Indian, or Chinese, or Subcontinental Indian.

It's not smart or clever to look for cheap applause for disclaiming any affiliation with the English.

Grow up and wake up, Grappler.





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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:21pm:
Again for the  record - I am NOT English - I am part Irish, Scottish, German Jewish, part North American Indian, and part Chinese or Indian.....  and I have little time for the Sassenach....


You forgot the Welsh and Cornish ancestry.

I'd like a dollar for every time I've heard an Aussie whose only language is English, and all of whose national institutions and cultural heritage are directly a legacy from the Brits ~ say they have no 'English' in them.

The system you Skippies live by is not Irish, or Scottish, or German Jewish, or North America Indian, or Chinese, or Subcontinental Indian.

It's not smart or clever to look for cheap applause for disclaiming any affiliation with the English.

Grow up and wake up, Grappler.







No Welsh or Cornish - I'm talking about DNA here - not 'cultural' issues - if you apply the same standard, all the Kangaroo Kaffirs are English, too... so what is their argument other than 'give me more for free'?

Grow up and wake up, you English/German ghett.... or I'll point the Druid bone at you...  Wink
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They couldn't  boil water in 1788. They had no idea of minerals. They had no idea.

Why shoul they be treated as if they were robbed of something they were completely unaware of?

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[quote author=The_Grappler link=1518519771/167#167 date=1518949268][quote author=goldkam link=1518519771/161#161 date=1518944968]

I apologise for not being able to work a technological device properly. You are not chewing my arse bit to bit, I am here having a debate with an individual who seem to be unable to at least understand other perspectives.

I clearly have been miss taught at school for many years because there is only one set of events in history. We may differ on how they played out but facts are facts. The point is not that they didn't arrive without a conquering army the point is they claimed the land was belong to no one "terra nullius" believing the Aboriginals would die out. Through this they destroyed their way of life. If you can disprove history that the Indigenous were not living here and hasn't created a colony (no matter how big). And yes I am going to tell you it was an invasion, why, because that is proven through accounts, first and secondary sources and academics. Its the nature of the invasion and the events that followed that can be debated.

When it was ever said they were introduced as a weapon of war I have no clue. The British introduced the diseases here, at the time unknowingly. On that point the diseases were not common in Australia and too the Indigenous because they were not immune. It was not a fact before the Indigenous arrived, they had medicine and cures for their own diseases. Yes, I am. If they want to live their traditional life let them do that.

This is the typical Australian perspective, with no insight or evidence to prove it is wide spread. The drugs, alcoholism is occurring but on the most part that is an extremely altered and crafted view of the problem. The prices for food are absurd. For a bag of potatoes it was $20. For a kg of banana's it was $28. Hence the reason they turn to alcohol and drugs.

What is wrong with them living their traditional lives??

There is a plethora of Indigenous in remote communities some have access some don't, it is diverse.

I wasn't one the barricades. Rather I have spent my schooling learning about the Indigenous culture and instead of going to schoolies went on a service trip to the NT where I experienced it first hand.

Please don't call me son, I am merely expressing my opinion to someone who clearly likes to voice theirs. Shall we start a debate about Australia having to toughen up and not take such offence to what is said.

On your point of 'I am not English', your point is???

Sorry I will rephrase calling you an invader. Your the product of invaders, something we don't have to continue saying sorry for. However what we need to do is respect that fact. 

To be quite honest I don't care if you were born here or not. My family has also fought for this country, in-fact they are doing it right now. How about you watch your tongue around those of a different opinion.

To your very last point. You seem very passionate about what you worked for. Well if that was taken away in cold blood you would be undoubtedly annoyed and want justice. Once again we don't need to continue to say sorry we need to recognise and respect.





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No Welsh or Cornish - I'm talking about DNA here - not 'cultural' issues - if you apply the same standard, all the Kangaroo Kaffirs are English, too... so what is their argument other than 'give me more for free'?

Grow up and wake up, you English/German ghett.... or I'll point the Druid bone at you...  Wink


I'm English/Scottish/Irish/German/French/Russian - and Portuguese way back when. 

Arsehole!  Grin Tongue
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goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:59pm:
[quote author=The_Grappler link=1518519771/167#167 date=1518949268][quote author=goldkam link=1518519771/161#161 date=1518944968]

I apologise for not being able to work a technological device properly. You are not chewing my arse bit to bit, I am here having a debate with an individual who seem to be unable to at least understand other perspectives.

I clearly have been miss taught at school for many years because there is only one set of events in history. We may differ on how they played out but facts are facts. The point is not that they didn't arrive without a conquering army the point is they claimed the land was belong to no one "terra nullius" believing the Aboriginals would die out. Through this they destroyed their way of life. If you can disprove history that the Indigenous were not living here and hasn't created a colony (no matter how big). And yes I am going to tell you it was an invasion, why, because that is proven through accounts, first and secondary sources and academics. Its the nature of the invasion and the events that followed that can be debated.

When it was ever said they were introduced as a weapon of war I have no clue. The British introduced the diseases here, at the time unknowingly. On that point the diseases were not common in Australia and too the Indigenous because they were not immune. It was not a fact before the Indigenous arrived, they had medicine and cures for their own diseases. Yes, I am. If they want to live their traditional life let them do that.

This is the typical Australian perspective, with no insight or evidence to prove it is wide spread. The drugs, alcoholism is occurring but on the most part that is an extremely altered and crafted view of the problem. The prices for food are absurd. For a bag of potatoes it was $20. For a kg of banana's it was $28. Hence the reason they turn to alcohol and drugs.

What is wrong with them living their traditional lives??

There is a plethora of Indigenous in remote communities some have access some don't, it is diverse.

I wasn't one the barricades. Rather I have spent my schooling learning about the Indigenous culture and instead of going to schoolies went on a service trip to the NT where I experienced it first hand.

Please don't call me son, I am merely expressing my opinion to someone who clearly likes to voice theirs. Shall we start a debate about Australia having to toughen up and not take such offence to what is said.

On your point of 'I am not English', your point is???

Sorry I will rephrase calling you an invader. Your the product of invaders, something we don't have to continue saying sorry for. However what we need to do is respect that fact. 

To be quite honest I don't care if you were born here or not. My family has also fought for this country, in-fact they are doing it right now. How about you watch your tongue around those of a different opinion.

To your very last point. You seem very passionate about what you worked for. Well if that was taken away in cold blood you would be undoubtedly annoyed and want justice. Once again we don't need to continue to say sorry we need to recognise and respect.







Pardon me, Isabella, but your English is slowing.....  Grin Grin Grin

They can live their traditional lives - how about they let us lead ours without telling us we need to pay them rent for being here and breathing their air?

They didn't work for it - they existed in it, which is a long way from living or working for it..... nobody took it away from them - they're still here and in far greater numbers than when the First Fleet arrived....

Ol' Whitey must be doing something right.... how about the Brothers get on board the train before it leaves the station?

Five year contract - shape up or ship out....

If you have relatives in Afghanistan, they have my sympathy - bloody hard to be fighting locals who are simply defending their homes, and not knowing who are the bad guys and who are the good guys.

Something like three a week try to do themselves in......  many succeed and leave behind distraught families...  it's not worth it, lads - you did right - it is the politicians who screw us all.
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Son - by now you ain't got no arse left to chew!

Oh - and on account of your sabbatical, you seem to rely on anecdotal evidence as opposed to empirical evidence..... anecdotal is often coloured by emotion without fact.....

I can be angry at having something removed from me by force..... doesn't mean it is a social evil.....

This anecdotal nonsense has crept in with the feminists.. as a younger person you have no real idea....and it can be ferociously harmful in seeking positive resolutions to issues - real or imagined.

How exactly did the Kangaroo Kaffirs way outback in their nomadic humpies get something taken from them?  Someone kick them out of their high paying professional jobs and top floor flats overlooking the ocean and stop their overseas holidays?
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As I have mentioned hating and demonising them is not aiding this situation. This is a governmental problem with a government lacking insight into the problem (like some people) and thus putting money and aid in the wrong areas.

Your next point, bit far reaching. They didn't work for it they existed in it. That goes for us as well. There is very little us as individuals worked for we just exist in it, much of it was created before we were born.

That is incorrect. Evidence and facts suggest the numbers of Indigenous in 1788 and prior was in the millions. In 2017 the population is 660,000. Your lack of factual information is not helping proving your point.

I completely agree with your last statement. Politicians are truely screwing us today.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Son - by now you ain't got no arse left to chew!

Oh - and on account of your sabbatical, you seem to rely on anecdotal evidence as opposed to empirical evidence..... anecdotal is often coloured by emotion without fact.....

I can be angry at having something removed from me by force..... doesn't mean it is a social evil.....

This anecdotal nonsense has crept in with the feminists.. as a younger person you have no real idea....and it can be ferociously harmful in seeking positive resolutions to issues - real or imagined.

How exactly did the Kangaroo Kaffirs way outback in their nomadic humpies get something taken from them?  Someone kick them out of their high paying professional jobs and top floor flats overlooking the ocean and stop their overseas holidays?


Well deny what you like I am only stating facts and backing it up with opinion. You too are stating facts and backing it up with opinion.

I for one am not a feminist and don't agree with their values and ideas.

You need to reconsider the statement "I have no real idea". Other generations are very quick to demonise younger individuals for voicing a different opinion, an opinion which has not been voiced before. As a member of the"younger generation" would prefer to have a voice an opinion to speak up, rather than sit in a corner agreeing with everyone.

So you say its harmful to speak out, to voice your opinion. I in fact think it is healthy, advantageous that we are able.

Stop calling me son like some higher class snob that gets annoyed at someone disagreeing.
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Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:00pm:
How quaint you take the exact opposite stance in this country .... & there were others here pre- Aboriginal.


Oh, there were groups here, pre-modern Indigenous people, Gnads.   I have long known that.  Cow Swamp, Lake Mungo, prove that.  However, they are seen as the ancestors of modern Indigenous people.  Which is fair IMO.

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The Maori went to the Chathams though ... invaded it & killed off or bred the Moriori out ... before they decided to leave.

Nothing similar to your stance/claim about Australian history there is there? Roll Eyes


Nope.  Nothing at all.  Unlike you, with fantasies about pre-modern Maoris being Celts/Vikings/Phoenicians/Tamils/etc...  Hey?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Son - by now you ain't got no arse left to chew!

Oh - and on account of your sabbatical, you seem to rely on anecdotal evidence as opposed to empirical evidence..... anecdotal is often coloured by emotion without fact.....

I can be angry at having something removed from me by force..... doesn't mean it is a social evil.....

This anecdotal nonsense has crept in with the feminists.. as a younger person you have no real idea....and it can be ferociously harmful in seeking positive resolutions to issues - real or imagined.

How exactly did the Kangaroo Kaffirs way outback in their nomadic humpies get something taken from them?  Someone kick them out of their high paying professional jobs and top floor flats overlooking the ocean and stop their overseas holidays?


Well deny what you like I am only stating facts and backing it up with opinion. You too are stating facts and backing it up with opinion.

I for one am not a feminist and don't agree with their values and ideas.

You need to reconsider the statement "I have no real idea". Other generations are very quick to demonise younger individuals for voicing a different opinion, an opinion which has not been voiced before. As a member of the"younger generation" would prefer to have a voice an opinion to speak up, rather than sit in a corner agreeing with everyone.

So you say its harmful to speak out, to voice your opinion. I in fact think it is healthy, advantageous that we are able.

Stop calling me son like some higher class snob that gets annoyed at someone disagreeing.



Waal,Pilgrim.. you was the one what started all this name-callin' an' talkin' down to others....... now back yer play!

You really don't know yourself, do you?  Give yourself time...... I've got you in training.... now if only I could get you to address the issues.....

ME?  A 'higher class snob'?  I'm just a grunt, son.... and got a lot more years under the belt than you...... and I can guarantee you I grew up with less than you..... and did a lot more tough yards than you ever will....

'demonise younger individuals' - well - you started the demonisation.... how about you show some respect for age, experience and knowledge and discuss the issues instead of playing the man ..... but I guess you know it all....  Roll Eyes
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As I have mentioned hating and demonising them is not aiding this situation. This is a governmental problem with a government lacking insight into the problem (like some people) and thus putting money and aid in the wrong areas.

Your next point, bit far reaching. They didn't work for it they existed in it. That goes for us as well. There is very little us as individuals worked for we just exist in it, much of it was created before we were born.

That is incorrect. Evidence and facts suggest the numbers of Indigenous in 1788 and prior was in the millions.    Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  In 2017 the population is 660,000. Your lack of factual information is not helping proving your point.

I completely agree with your last statement. Politicians are truely screwing us today.  [/quote]

Y'all getting close to the money... SHOW where there were MILLIONS of Aboriginals before the First Fleet.... or at the time of arrival ... bald statements are meaningless.....

Show Me the Money!!
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Reply #180 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 10:22pm
 
Waal,Pilgrim.. you was the one what started all this name-callin' an' talkin' down to others....... now back yer play!

You really don't know yourself, do you?  Give yourself time...... I've got you in training.... now if only I could get you to address the issues.....

ME?  A 'higher class snob'?  I'm just a grunt, son.... and got a lot more years under the belt than you...... and I can guarantee you I grew up with less than you..... and did a lot more tough yards than you ever will....

'demonise younger individuals' - well - you started the demonisation.... how about you show some respect for age, experience and knowledge and discuss the issues instead of playing the man ..... but I guess you know it all....  Roll Eyes [/quote]

First and foremost I am not some apprentice in training. I believe I am addressing the issues respectfully.

Secondly I don't deny you have got more years under your belt, with that comes experience and knowledge there is no doubt. However that doesn't make your points any more valid than mine. Also I don't believe you know my life and the events that have played out. Nor do I know yours, so lets not make any assumptions there. I noted that as a whole. Not just you but rather on a societal level, where older generations seem to continually dislike and blame millennials for the problems of the world.

Thirdly just because you may be superior in age, experience and knowledge does not by any means mean that I have to suddenly no voice an opinion or argue for something I believe in. No matter what age or level of knowledge you have I have to show you respect as do I have to show the exact same level of respect to a 20 year old. It doesn't change.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:24pm:


As I have mentioned hating and demonising them is not aiding this situation. This is a governmental problem with a government lacking insight into the problem (like some people) and thus putting money and aid in the wrong areas.

Your next point, bit far reaching. They didn't work for it they existed in it. That goes for us as well. There is very little us as individuals worked for we just exist in it, much of it was created before we were born.

That is incorrect. Evidence and facts suggest the numbers of Indigenous in 1788 and prior was in the millions.    Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  In 2017 the population is 660,000. Your lack of factual information is not helping proving your point.

I completely agree with your last statement. Politicians are truely screwing us today. 


Y'all getting close to the money... SHOW where there were MILLIONS of Aboriginals before the First Fleet.... or at the time of arrival ... bald statements are meaningless.....

Show Me the Money!!
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ABS states between 350,000 - 1 million. With an updated estimate of 750,000 listed underneath and also on various other sites. So I will recorrect myself. I made a slight error. There was 750,000 in 1788. In 2017 there was 660,000 so this still proves your point to be wrong.
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goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
ABS states between 350,000 - 1 million. With an updated estimate of 750,000 listed underneath and also on various other sites. So I will recorrect myself. I made a slight error. There was 750,000 in 1788. In 2017 there was 660,000 so this still proves your point to be wrong.


What does the ABS base those figures on?  Aboriginal population in 1788?  Did they do a census?

I used to work for the ABS...... the way they calculate figures is not always kosher.....

(you see - it's a learning process - you learn to see the difference between estimates based on some set of parameters and real facts..... you are learning as you discuss here..... trust me on this.  I'm not always innocent of putting up unsubstantiated figures... but I usually have a good argument to support what I say..

e.g. if the Australian population at the time when my furthest ancestors arrived here was under one million..... by some estimate...... how do we arrive at an equivalent number for Aboriginals - clearly it doesn't make much sense given the large area and the sustainability of humans in most of it)...


I would suggest the ABS ASSERTS, since they cannot state with any authority...... if you stay here long enough, you will see that I often say that my ASSERTION is blah-blah.... but when I state verifiable fact.. I say so... though it depends on the argument and who is involved.. kind of... (gasps).... anecdotal or subjective statements.....
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When the British handed over Australia's governing to Australian politicians in 1901, there were more than 50,000 aboriginal people. By the 1960s, there were 125,000 Aboriginal people. By 2017, as stated before, there were 650,000 Aboriginal people. Given that there is 600,000 more aboriginal people in 2017 than in 1901, it stands to reason that Australia has been good to aboriginal people. The issue is before 1901. The British were in the process of committing genocide against the aborigines of Australia. Anyone having an issue with the genocide then should take up the issue with the British government. But I bet they would not entertain the issue, either.
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UnSubRocky wrote Yesterday at 2:53am:
When the British handed over Australia's governing to Australian politicians in 1901, there were more than 50,000 aboriginal people. By the 1960s, there were 125,000 Aboriginal people. By 2017, as stated before, there were 650,000 Aboriginal people. Given that there is 600,000 more aboriginal people in 2017 than in 1901, it stands to reason that Australia has been good to aboriginal people. The issue is before 1901. The British were in the process of committing genocide against the aborigines of Australia. Anyone having an issue with the genocide then should take up the issue with the British government. But I bet they would not entertain the issue, either.


If it was an attempt to wipe the race out it was very very ineffective, a better strategy would have been to ignore them completely and not step in when the Christian Do-gooders saw mistreatment ....... my assessment is what western society saw as mistreatment was normal to Aboriginal culture especially WRT to half casts.

I think the population numbers are as rubbery as the real definition of being aboriginal, my view is you need to be at least half cast based on biology as other DNA will start dominating characteristics.

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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Son - by now you ain't got no arse left to chew!

Oh - and on account of your sabbatical, you seem to rely on anecdotal evidence as opposed to empirical evidence..... anecdotal is often coloured by emotion without fact.....

I can be angry at having something removed from me by force..... doesn't mean it is a social evil.....

This anecdotal nonsense has crept in with the feminists.. as a younger person you have no real idea....and it can be ferociously harmful in seeking positive resolutions to issues - real or imagined.

How exactly did the Kangaroo Kaffirs way outback in their nomadic humpies get something taken from them?  Someone kick them out of their high paying professional jobs and top floor flats overlooking the ocean and stop their overseas holidays?


Excellent commentary.

I still believe a certain percentage of mining profits should be earmarked as government revenue for indigenous programs rather than that it's the much-abused taxpaying punter who continues to finance the aboriginal gravy-train.

Let Gina suffer a small percentage loss in her annual bottom-line rather than that the plebs continue to underwrite Abo-support expences.
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The British were in the process of committing genocide against the aborigines of Australia.


Simply not true. If there had been a concerted effort to wipe out the abos by permission of the British government, the last abo would have expired an entire century before the last Tasmanian Tiger carked it.

Bounty hunters would have flooded in from America in a frenzy of scalp-taking and butchery.

No such thing happened, but instead, white English settlers were being hanged for killing the local natives almost from the beginning of 1788.



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Lord Herbert wrote Yesterday at 8:18am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Son - by now you ain't got no arse left to chew!

Oh - and on account of your sabbatical, you seem to rely on anecdotal evidence as opposed to empirical evidence..... anecdotal is often coloured by emotion without fact.....

I can be angry at having something removed from me by force..... doesn't mean it is a social evil.....

This anecdotal nonsense has crept in with the feminists.. as a younger person you have no real idea....and it can be ferociously harmful in seeking positive resolutions to issues - real or imagined.

How exactly did the Kangaroo Kaffirs way outback in their nomadic humpies get something taken from them?  Someone kick them out of their high paying professional jobs and top floor flats overlooking the ocean and stop their overseas holidays?


Excellent commentary.

I still believe a certain percentage of mining profits should be earmarked as government revenue for indigenous programs rather than that it's the much-abused taxpaying punter who continues to finance the aboriginal gravy-train.

Let Gina suffer a small percentage loss in her annual bottom-line rather than that the plebs continue to underwrite Abo-support expences.


Absolute croc of schit that is the government side stepping a social issue that does not exist !

If they want more money then they can get more jobs start more of their own businesses on their own dime !
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RightSaidFred wrote Yesterday at 8:48am:
Lord Herbert wrote Yesterday at 8:18am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Son - by now you ain't got no arse left to chew!

Oh - and on account of your sabbatical, you seem to rely on anecdotal evidence as opposed to empirical evidence..... anecdotal is often coloured by emotion without fact.....

I can be angry at having something removed from me by force..... doesn't mean it is a social evil.....

This anecdotal nonsense has crept in with the feminists.. as a younger person you have no real idea....and it can be ferociously harmful in seeking positive resolutions to issues - real or imagined.

How exactly did the Kangaroo Kaffirs way outback in their nomadic humpies get something taken from them?  Someone kick them out of their high paying professional jobs and top floor flats overlooking the ocean and stop their overseas holidays?


Excellent commentary.

I still believe a certain percentage of mining profits should be earmarked as government revenue for indigenous programs rather than that it's the much-abused taxpaying punter who continues to finance the aboriginal gravy-train.

Let Gina suffer a small percentage loss in her annual bottom-line rather than that the plebs continue to underwrite Abo-support expences.


Absolute croc of schit that is the government side stepping a social issue that does not exist !

If they want more money then they can get more jobs start more of their own businesses on their own dime !


Excellent commentary.

Oh hell! What am I saying?
  Embarrassed

I'm thoroughly confused now. So okay, we'll let the poor dumb taxpayer finance the Annual Abo Bill without any contribution from Gina's billions.

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Reply #189 - Yesterday at 9:06am
 
Lord Herbert wrote Yesterday at 8:54am:
RightSaidFred wrote Yesterday at 8:48am:
Lord Herbert wrote Yesterday at 8:18am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Son - by now you ain't got no arse left to chew!

Oh - and on account of your sabbatical, you seem to rely on anecdotal evidence as opposed to empirical evidence..... anecdotal is often coloured by emotion without fact.....

I can be angry at having something removed from me by force..... doesn't mean it is a social evil.....

This anecdotal nonsense has crept in with the feminists.. as a younger person you have no real idea....and it can be ferociously harmful in seeking positive resolutions to issues - real or imagined.

How exactly did the Kangaroo Kaffirs way outback in their nomadic humpies get something taken from them?  Someone kick them out of their high paying professional jobs and top floor flats overlooking the ocean and stop their overseas holidays?


Excellent commentary.

I still believe a certain percentage of mining profits should be earmarked as government revenue for indigenous programs rather than that it's the much-abused taxpaying punter who continues to finance the aboriginal gravy-train.

Let Gina suffer a small percentage loss in her annual bottom-line rather than that the plebs continue to underwrite Abo-support expences.


Absolute croc of schit that is the government side stepping a social issue that does not exist !

If they want more money then they can get more jobs start more of their own businesses on their own dime !


Excellent commentary.

Oh hell! What am I saying?
  Embarrassed

I'm thoroughly confused now. So okay, we'll let the poor dumb taxpayer finance the Annual Abo Bill without any contribution from Gina's billions.

Smiley



I get a bit socialist when it comes to natural resources.
I have not the slightest problem with people getting fabulously wealthy from taking the initiative and risk it takes to develop what's under our feet, but really does Fat Gina need 16B?


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Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:21pm:
Again for the  record - I am NOT English - I am part Irish, Scottish, German Jewish, part North American Indian, and part Chinese or Indian.....  and I have little time for the Sassenach....


You forgot the Welsh and Cornish ancestry.

I'd like a dollar for every time I've heard an Aussie whose only language is English, and all of whose national institutions and cultural heritage are directly a legacy from the Brits ~ say they have no 'English' in them.

The system you Skippies live by is not Irish, or Scottish, or German Jewish, or North America Indian, or Chinese, or Subcontinental Indian.

It's not smart or clever to look for cheap applause for disclaiming any affiliation with the English.




How about Fiji, Herbie? Are they English? Papua New Guinea was colonized by the Krauts. Are they Germans?

Are Tahitians French?

Are Indonesians Dutch?

Please explain.
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Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 12:09am:
Raven wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 11:49pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Why does peccamitty and kanal both LIE about aboriginal BENIFITS?

Are they getting them?

Abbstudy BENIFITS are far more than anything poor old whites get.

Paid to go to school, is a fact.

Free education is a fact.

Free child care, is a fact.

They are put at the front of the housing list a fact.

They get additional money, perhaps not called the dole, but extra not available to the poor old whites.

They get free flights to their land if the reside elsewhere every year.


Proove it.


There was free childcare, hot meals and child pickup for the child of a friend of mine while she was studying at SCU. Not something my wife could access when she was studying at the same time. There is a division of SCU dedicated to indigenous students, my wife at one time tutored some. While it is open to all for indigenous studies, it's role is to provide Indigenous Australian Student Services.
http://www.ngunyajarjum.com/
https://www.scu.edu.au/gnibi-college-of-indigenous-australian-peoples/

I'm not saying these services should not be provided.

edit: My wife's father worked at the Curtin Indigenous Research Centre providing services to indigenous students/people.



Thanks, Setanta. You're the first one here to provide an answer.

But I'm curious. Are these SCU perks funded by the government and available at all unis? This would make it a benefit, and not some program offered by an individual organization. There are also plenty of Boong charities - these are not "benefits" either.

On additional Boong medical services, this is how public health works. Public health targets particular groups. There are plenty of same-sex health programs, for example, to prevent HIV AIDS. There are plenty of services for drug users - methadone programs, needle exchanges, counselling programs.

I wonder about the efficiency of Aboriginal-specific health programs. I know a few Boongs who don't go near the AMS, for example, because of politics/conflicts with rival families. I can understand the point that Aborigines will engage better with Aboriginal health staff - and hence seek treatment - but I know quite a few who won't use these health services.


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I get a bit socialist when it comes to natural resources.
I have not the slightest problem with people getting fabulously wealthy from taking the initiative and risk it takes to develop what's under our feet, but really does Fat Gina need 16B?


Excellent commentary.

I think it might be time the law was changed and Fat Gina's bank account was given a whole series of liposuction reductions.


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Reply #193 - Yesterday at 11:15am
 
Lord Herbert wrote Yesterday at 8:54am:
RightSaidFred wrote Yesterday at 8:48am:
Lord Herbert wrote Yesterday at 8:18am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Son - by now you ain't got no arse left to chew!

Oh - and on account of your sabbatical, you seem to rely on anecdotal evidence as opposed to empirical evidence..... anecdotal is often coloured by emotion without fact.....

I can be angry at having something removed from me by force..... doesn't mean it is a social evil.....

This anecdotal nonsense has crept in with the feminists.. as a younger person you have no real idea....and it can be ferociously harmful in seeking positive resolutions to issues - real or imagined.

How exactly did the Kangaroo Kaffirs way outback in their nomadic humpies get something taken from them?  Someone kick them out of their high paying professional jobs and top floor flats overlooking the ocean and stop their overseas holidays?


Excellent commentary.

I still believe a certain percentage of mining profits should be earmarked as government revenue for indigenous programs rather than that it's the much-abused taxpaying punter who continues to finance the aboriginal gravy-train.

Let Gina suffer a small percentage loss in her annual bottom-line rather than that the plebs continue to underwrite Abo-support expences.


Absolute croc of schit that is the government side stepping a social issue that does not exist !

If they want more money then they can get more jobs start more of their own businesses on their own dime !


Excellent commentary.

Oh hell! What am I saying?
  Embarrassed

I'm thoroughly confused now. So okay, we'll let the poor dumb taxpayer finance the Annual Abo Bill without any contribution from Gina's billions.

Smiley



What has Gina or mining got to do with the self inflicted plight of Aborigines ? Does she inject the heroin into their veins or shove petrol in their face and make them sniff ?

Yes you are confused about responsibility and accountability go fix yourself try therapy Smiley
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goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:10pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
goldkam wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:34am:
What are they going to do with all this land they 'own', Bro?  Go out there without Whitey's tractors and stuff and plough it up and make it work for them and feed the nation and provide the income that gives them their current free ride?? Get out there with sticks and dig up the ores and transport them to the ports that don't exist?

I can't see that happening... if all the Whiteys packed up and left tomorrow, the KKs would all die of starvation.

It's time they started getting off this 'land ownership' garbage and started working for themselves like everyone else.



Quite clearly you lack the capacity to understand the issue. What you call a free ride is in fact wrong in most cases, you seem to think a free ride is living in horrendous conditions, lacking access to medical services and lacking a basic education. You quite clearly don't understand the dynamics of Indigenous culture and the attachment they have with their land.



Grin Another Queens St intellectual pretending. Roll Eyes

Any horrendous living conditions are self made.... medical & educational facilities are supplied ...

you're the one who is clueless  regarding the "dynamics" of Indigenous culture.

Their attachment to the land you say?

Yeah you ought see they way they treat the land especially the land around the houses they have, built by taxpayers.

Get off that high horse ..... & get back on your Ass. Eeeaww



Another ignorant, narrow minded individual thinking their smart.
You quite clearly haven't witnessed these conditions first hand or had the depth to explore the issues at hand. If you seriously believe they have been supplied to the Indigenous, you are very wrong. They are 500km from any civilised town.

To state I am clueless is not true. In fact I have some understand the dynamics of the Indigenous culture. You seem to be implying that your the 'expert' on their culture, insight on your detailed knowledge of the Dreaming. I really do dislike people who comment, when they themselves haven't experienced anything first hand and are utilising unreliable and fabricated sources.

That money by tax payers is being wrongly spent by the Government. It is being put into housing and technology for them, which they do not want, many want to live off the land. It is then used wrongly etc.. and it all comes back to their education and their understanding. That is a governmental problem not an Indigenous problem. I am not on any high horse because I can treat everyone with a level of respect, something you cannot highlighted through your arrogance and ignorance toward the Indigenous people.


No actually you're the one coming across as smart ... or half smart.

And you wouldn't know your arze from your elbow.
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[quote author=The_Grappler link=1518519771/167#167 date=1518949268][quote author=goldkam link=1518519771/161#161 date=1518944968]

I apologise for not being able to work a technological device properly. You are not chewing my arse bit to bit, I am here having a debate with an individual who seem to be unable to at least understand other perspectives.

I clearly have been miss taught at school for many years because there is only one set of events in history. We may differ on how they played out but facts are facts. The point is not that they didn't arrive without a conquering army the point is they claimed the land was belong to no one "terra nullius" believing the Aboriginals would die out. Through this they destroyed their way of life. If you can disprove history that the Indigenous were not living here and hasn't created a colony (no matter how big). And yes I am going to tell you it was an invasion, why, because that is proven through accounts, first and secondary sources and academics. Its the nature of the invasion and the events that followed that can be debated.

When it was ever said they were introduced as a weapon of war I have no clue. The British introduced the diseases here, at the time unknowingly. On that point the diseases were not common in Australia and too the Indigenous because they were not immune. It was not a fact before the Indigenous arrived, they had medicine and cures for their own diseases. Yes, I am. If they want to live their traditional life let them do that.

This is the typical Australian perspective, with no insight or evidence to prove it is wide spread. The drugs, alcoholism is occurring but on the most part that is an extremely altered and crafted view of the problem. The prices for food are absurd. For a bag of potatoes it was $20. For a kg of banana's it was $28. Hence the reason they turn to alcohol and drugs.

What is wrong with them living their traditional lives??

There is a plethora of Indigenous in remote communities some have access some don't, it is diverse.

I wasn't one the barricades. Rather I have spent my schooling learning about the Indigenous culture and instead of going to schoolies went on a service trip to the NT where I experienced it first hand.

Please don't call me son, I am merely expressing my opinion to someone who clearly likes to voice theirs. Shall we start a debate about Australia having to toughen up and not take such offence to what is said.

On your point of 'I am not English', your point is???

Sorry I will rephrase calling you an invader. Your the product of invaders, something we don't have to continue saying sorry for. However what we need to do is respect that fact. 

To be quite honest I don't care if you were born here or not. My family has also fought for this country, in-fact they are doing it right now. How about you watch your tongue around those of a different opinion.

To your very last point. You seem very passionate about what you worked for. Well if that was taken away in cold blood you would be undoubtedly annoyed and want justice. Once again we don't need to continue to say sorry we need to recognise and respect.


Some do ...to a degree ......... the others don't at all.

And there are 100% that do hunt & gather that use whitemans tools to do so.

None of their traditional equipment.

All 4x4's, outboard powered aluminium boats, aluminium spears, rifles, shotguns, fishing nets, hooks etc. etc. etc.

So in reality how is that traditional?
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What has Gina or mining got to do with the self inflicted plight of Aborigines ? Does she inject the heroin into their veins or shove petrol in their face and make them sniff ?

Yes you are confused about responsibility and accountability go fix yourself try therapy Smiley


Choices:

Fat Gina pays the annual budget bill for Abo maintenance and services instead of the Australian taxpayer being milked for the moolah.

How say youse?



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Karnal wrote Yesterday at 9:33am:
Thanks, Setanta. You're the first one here to provide an answer.

But I'm curious. Are these SCU perks funded by the government and available at all unis? This would make it a benefit, and not some program offered by an individual organization. There are also plenty of Boong charities - these are not "benefits" either.

On additional Boong medical services, this is how public health works. Public health targets particular groups. There are plenty of same-sex health programs, for example, to prevent HIV AIDS. There are plenty of services for drug users - methadone programs, needle exchanges, counselling programs.

I wonder about the efficiency of Aboriginal-specific health programs. I know a few Boongs who don't go near the AMS, for example, because of politics/conflicts with rival families. I can understand the point that Aborigines will engage better with Aboriginal health staff - and hence seek treatment - but I know quite a few who won't use these health services.




I think the highlighted section says something about some of the problems within Aboriginal communities.

On the other side of the coin,I once had to access free dental for a tooth and it was done by an Aboriginal service not far away.  Those services do work for others as well, not just aboriginals.

I'd like to see more Aboriginal doctors and lawyers and nurses, and I'd also like to see the Flagon Boys get out of the park every second Thursday, as they used to do in Bega.... one small park was 'their territory' for a drink... sad, but true.

As for invasion - well - I still don't see it as such, and some intrusion was inevitable.  The Aboriginals here haven't done that badly out of it, despite proven vile acts by some settlers and such.

Could've been worse...


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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:28am:
freediver wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:54am:
It's called equality before the law Herb. What's your alternative?


Re-jig the law so that it recognises that those ore deposits were the stamping ground of the abos for 50,000 years.

I'm not saying give them an equal share, but at least a 3 to 5% share of the profits upon which they must pay tax.



Based on what? Skin colour? Race?


Herb? You do realise you are promoting the institutionalisation of racism in Australian law, right?
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RightSaidFred wrote Yesterday at 11:15am:
What has Gina or mining got to do with the self inflicted plight of Aborigines ? Does she inject the heroin into their veins or shove petrol in their face and make them sniff ?

Yes you are confused about responsibility and accountability go fix yourself try therapy Smiley


Choices:

Fat Gina pays the annual budget bill for Abo maintenance and services instead of the Australian taxpayer being milked for the moolah.

How say youse?





Or we pay nothing to them.
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UnSubRocky wrote Yesterday at 2:53am:
The British were in the process of committing genocide against the aborigines of Australia.


Simply not true. If there had been a concerted effort to wipe out the abos by permission of the British government, the last abo would have expired an entire century before the last Tasmanian Tiger carked it.

Bounty hunters would have flooded in from America in a frenzy of scalp-taking and butchery.

No such thing happened, but instead, white English settlers were being hanged for killing the local natives almost from the beginning of 1788.


Aborigines were being killed in such a way that it was only a few at a time. Of course, even prior 1901, the British government could have had ways of killing every single one of the aboriginal population. But it was more like an opportunity for settlers to defend themselves and for the actual "hunters" to kill perhaps 10 aborigines a year, per group of hunters. I would assume that out of the 700,000 aboriginal population decline, 100,000 aborigines died from violence. The rest of them succumbed to disease.
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freediver wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:28am:
freediver wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 6:54am:
It's called equality before the law Herb. What's your alternative?


Re-jig the law so that it recognises that those ore deposits were the stamping ground of the abos for 50,000 years.

I'm not saying give them an equal share, but at least a 3 to 5% share of the profits upon which they must pay tax.



Based on what? Skin colour? Race?


Herb? You do realise you are promoting the institutionalisation of racism in Australian law, right?


Separate but equal............... they already cop a cut from the resources via taxation and social services etc....... same as everyone else....

I tink-it I bedda go Bleck, Bro - fo' dat money dere!  Dat racism, Bro - dat only cut one way....not racist to steal from Whitey as payment...
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If it was an attempt to wipe the race out it was very very ineffective, a better strategy would have been to ignore them completely and not step in when the Christian Do-gooders saw mistreatment ....... my assessment is what western society saw as mistreatment was normal to Aboriginal culture especially WRT to half casts.


Just going by European settlement of Australia, I would assume that the killing of aboriginal people was relatively slow. I can't say that it was a full dedicated massacre. More likely a mix of settlers engaging in self-defence, revenge killings, and organised killings. 1000 aborigines getting killed every year for 100 years seem to be the estimate I would give. There are between 200 and 400 murders of Australians every year since 1995. A rate of 1.5 to 2 murders per 100,000. I could guess the murder/homicide rate of aborigines in Australia to be at least 10 per 100,000. Maybe 20 per 100,000 aborigines. A high enough rate to be considered an organised killing of native people. The other cause of the deaths were majority responsible for the decline in aboriginal numbers. That being by way of disease.
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Herb? You do realise you are promoting the institutionalisation of racism in Australian law, right?


It has nothing to do with race or colour of skin. It has to do with tenancy.

50,000 years as against a paltry 200 years.

I'm saying keep 95% for Fat Gina but 5% for Australia's annual Abo Budget that runs to millions.

I'm surprised my flawless logic is not getting through to you Far Rightwing racist bastards.  Cool
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The other issue I forgot to address was one about leaving the aborigines to die of their own failure. For 50,000 years, the aborigines lived in Australia without too much trouble of dying off. If they can survive that, then ignoring them for 200+ years will do no favours in letting themselves kill themselves off. All the abuse and tribal warfare in aboriginal tribes would still happen. But it would not be enough to see them die off in large numbers. Had that been the case, we would just about see a Terra Nullius in reality.
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Herb? You do realise you are promoting the institutionalisation of racism in Australian law, right?


It has nothing to do with race or colour of skin. It has to do with tenancy.

50,000 years as against a paltry 200 years.

I'm saying keep 95% for Fat Gina but 5% for Australia's annual Abo Budget that runs to millions.

I'm surprised my flawless logic is not getting through to you Far Rightwing racist bastards.  Cool



That was 230 years ago... way past time for settlement now... statute of limitations....
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RightSaidFred wrote Yesterday at 6:01am:
If it was an attempt to wipe the race out it was very very ineffective, a better strategy would have been to ignore them completely and not step in when the Christian Do-gooders saw mistreatment ....... my assessment is what western society saw as mistreatment was normal to Aboriginal culture especially WRT to half casts.


Just going by European settlement of Australia, I would assume that the killing of aboriginal people was relatively s