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Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers
Reply #15 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:55pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
This thread was started in response to a thread in another string where Aquascoot claimed Australian farmers were most efficient in the world.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1518378645/9#9


And your post does nothing to detract from the claim.
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Reply #16 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:15pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
This thread was started in response to a thread in another string where Aquascoot claimed Australian farmers were most efficient in the world.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1518378645/9#9


And your post does nothing to detract from the claim.


Denizen lee evidently has a comprehension problem.

Chart is available here: http://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/Agriculture_productivity/
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Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers
Reply #17 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:27pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:15pm:
Denizen lee evidently has a comprehension problem.



Nope.

Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:15pm:
Chart is available here: http://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/Agriculture_productivity/



Yes. It only looks at one metric. So they are comparing Australia's broadacre farming to greenhouse farming. How bizarre.

Have a look at Australia's broadacre zones -

https://www.oecd.org/tad/events/Mr.%20Merrilees_Agricultural%20productivity%20gr...

Page 7 or page 11 of your pdf viewer.

Your post is akin to comparing apples to horse manure. And you seem to know a lot about horse manure.
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Reply #18 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:37pm
 
Aquascoot said ....

australian farmers are the most efficient in the world because
they stand on their own 2 feet.
no government subsidies.


Freediver was right
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Reply #19 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 11:49pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:27pm:
It only looks at one metric. So they are comparing Australia's broadacre farming to greenhouse farming.


Its the only metric that counts. GDP per worker. Its a measure of productive efficiency.

Denizen lee evidently thinks the use of greenhouses by other countries is unfair competition to Australian farmers.

What about countries like Canada where the ground is covered in ice and snow for 50% of the year? Canada has a ~60% higher agricultural productivity than Australia.

There is nothing to stop Australian farmers using greenhouses if they so choose. Some already do.

However, adaption to new technology in Australian agriculture is slow because Australian farmers are being told by people like Aquascoot that they're the best in the world.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2017-07-13/farmers-turn-to-greenhouses-meet-gro...
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Reply #20 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 11:54pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
I would wonder how those Slovenians and American farmers would go on Australian soils with a marginal percentage of fertility that makes it a miracle to ponder we can grow anything upon.

We are in the initial stages of making a reversal in failing soil fertility through some innovations. Salt tolerant plants and plants that desalinate the soils are being planted in areas that are suitable or have been suitable for farming. This could be a twenty-year process, as some farmers have undone years of damage through the planting of this vegetation.

If farmers can plant crops in Australia and get good yields, I am sure that Australian farmers could match and outdo farmers of other countries on an even playing field. Farmers who do the hard yard in Australia, leave me feeling proud of their achievements.



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..........We are in the initial stages of making a reversal in failing soil fertility through some innovations. Salt tolerant plants and plants that desalinate the soils are being planted in areas that are suitable or have been suitable for farming...........


yes, that'ld be great.
Farmers are the best business people I know.

I salute them.
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Reply #21 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:03am
 
Greenhouse technology is emerging in Australia by the import of equipment and technology from other countries like Canada.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2017-01-18/greenhouses-the-solution-for-vegetab...

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... A Western Australian company has planted its first horticultural crop using Canadian greenhouse technology in what is hoped to bring fresh vegetables to the wheatbelt's 20,000 residents.

Wide Open Agriculture is a new business based in Arthur River, 200 kilometres south-east of Perth, an area frequented by dry spells, extreme heat and frost.

At the moment, no one else in the region grows horticultural crops because of the conditions, but the business has brought in a greenhouse from Canada to help with that problem.

Managing director Ben Cole says there could soon be an extensive operation throughout the state.

Successful crop

"This is what we are calling our pilot plant, but it's very much a.. commercial pilot plant," he said.

"We want to replicate this across the wheatbelt."

Surrounded my kilometres of grain paddocks, the half-hectare-sized greenhouse is home to tomatoes, lettuce, capsicum, cucumber and herbs...
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Reply #22 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:42am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:03am:
Surrounded my kilometres of grain paddocks, the half-hectare-sized greenhouse is home to tomatoes, lettuce, capsicum, cucumber and herbs...



Half a hectare? Wow. Wink
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Reply #23 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:00pm
 
They will be once the Chinese take over and organise the lazy bastards for real and imbue them with a work ethic worthy of the name...   Cool
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Reply #24 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:10pm
 
I honestly think it would be incredibly difficult to judge farming efficiency.
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Reply #25 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:23pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 11:54pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
I would wonder how those Slovenians and American farmers would go on Australian soils with a marginal percentage of fertility that makes it a miracle to ponder we can grow anything upon.

We are in the initial stages of making a reversal in failing soil fertility through some innovations. Salt tolerant plants and plants that desalinate the soils are being planted in areas that are suitable or have been suitable for farming. This could be a twenty-year process, as some farmers have undone years of damage through the planting of this vegetation.

If farmers can plant crops in Australia and get good yields, I am sure that Australian farmers could match and outdo farmers of other countries on an even playing field. Farmers who do the hard yard in Australia, leave me feeling proud of their achievements.



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..........We are in the initial stages of making a reversal in failing soil fertility through some innovations. Salt tolerant plants and plants that desalinate the soils are being planted in areas that are suitable or have been suitable for farming...........


yes, that'ld be great.
Farmers are the best business people I know.

I salute them.


I give up. Was that sarcasm?
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Reply #26 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:30pm
 
So basically Unforgiven started a new thread to explain that he disagreed with this statement, but is unable to explain why, other than that he found a website that does not explain it either.
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Reply #27 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 12:22pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 11:49pm:
lee wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:27pm:
It only looks at one metric. So they are comparing Australia's broadacre farming to greenhouse farming.


Its the only metric that counts. GDP per worker. Its a measure of productive efficiency.

Denizen lee evidently thinks the use of greenhouses by other countries is unfair competition to Australian farmers.

What about countries like Canada where the ground is covered in ice and snow for 50% of the year? Canada has a ~60% higher agricultural productivity than Australia.

There is nothing to stop Australian farmers using greenhouses if they so choose. Some already do.

However, adaption to new technology in Australian agriculture is slow because Australian farmers are being told by people like Aquascoot that they're the best in the world.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2017-07-13/farmers-turn-to-greenhouses-meet-gro...


Start again Unforgiven. The author of your linked article does not understand productivity and neither do you. Productivity is a measure of production per unit of labour and capital, not dollar value per unit of labour and capital.

If one unit of labour can improve production of one widget to two widgets then productivity doubles. The price of widgets between Australia and some other far off place is not relevant to productivity. Just because a widget in the Netherlands may be double the the price of a widget here  does not double productivity.
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