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Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:50am
 
Childcare changes more likely to hit low to middle-income families

Canberra Times
February 11 2018

The major losers under the Turnbull government's revamp of childcare payments will be low to middle-income families, departmental figures show.   Sad

Figures obtained under Freedom of Information legislation show 161,003 low to middle-income families will be worse off under the new system, and a further 15,692 families will receive no assistance at all.

The government's changes to childcare payments begin on July 1 this year and roll two payments - the Childcare Rebate and the Childcare Benefit - into one payment.

Of the 1.147 million families currently receiving some form of assistance, 810,944 families across all income groups will see their payments increase, and a further 57,800 families will see no change to their payments.

Another 249,275 families across all income groups will receive less money and 29,585 will no longer receive any assistance.

Of those families who will receive less assistance, 88,362 have a combined yearly income of up to $65,710 and a further 88,334 earn between $65,710 a year and $170,710 a year, the departmental figures show.

Around 2,300 families earning up to $65,710 a year will no longer receive taxpayer funded assistance and 13,391 families earning between $65,710 a year and $170,710 a year will have their payments stopped.

Around 88,270 families earning more than $170,710 a year will see their payments decrease and a further 13,894 families earning above that level will no longer receive payments.

Labor's childcare spokeswoman, Amanda Rishworth, says the changes will lead to children from low socio-economic backgrounds spending less time in early education.   Sad

"There are some families who won't be able to afford early education and care and their kids will miss out. The government is ignoring the benefits of early education and they are making this about workforce participation," Ms Rishworth said.   Sad

Families who receive less assistance are likely to do so because they do not meet the new activity test which requires people to work or study for a certain number of hours a week in order to qualify for assistance.

The government believes the new test will lead to more people working or studying for a greater period of time each week.

Some families will receive less assistance because the new system is also linked to how much childcare centres charge for their services.

Childcare and Education Minister Simon Birmingham says the new system will encourage more than 230,000 families to work or study more.

“Our plan supports families that need it the most by better targeting subsidies to people earning the least and to families working the most. Is Labor saying they want to allow families to access taxpayer subsidies for child care when they aren’t working, studying, volunteering or even bothering to look for a job?" Senator Birmingham said.

“We make no apologies for increasing childcare subsidies to those Australians working the hardest but doing it the toughest, to allow them to work more hours or take more of their wage home each week.”

Ms Rishworth is redrafting the Labor Party's childcare policy ahead of the next election and would not say whether or not the new activity test would be maintained.
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Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:35am
 
Cry Cry Cry Cry

whiteknight , you are living the oedipal nightmare.

the oedipus complex involves the will that we all have to never leave our mothers nurturing.
it is a pathological relationship where the over caring mother , does everything for her child and the submissive child is thereby controlled and unable to "grow up".

when a citizen has a relationship with government , whereby that citizen has a psychological need to be looked after and have his or her problems solved by an all  controlling government, then that citizen has fallen prey to this psycho pathology.

looking after children (your own children) is a basic part of growing into adulthood.

the fact that any citizen would think that it was the responsibility of government to tend to their children is "reprehensible".

anyone who gets butt hurt and resentful about having to make sacrifices to raise their own flesh and blood is in need of major help.  they have not broken free of the clutches of the breast. they are children themselves. they cant parent children because they have not yet grown up.

this is the stark reality facing society today. that many many adults wish to remain perpetual children , from cradle to grave, every little problem or every little challenge is seen as a reason to run to mummy (the government) and expect mummy to solve it for them.

canberra is not your mummy, if you think it is, your children should be taken from you as you will sew this toxic seed into them as well.

there is nothing more ugly then an "old" baby.

a 40 yo baby is an ugly thing and if you dont take personal responsibility for your life, you will be a 40 yo a 50 yo a 60 yo baby...and thats ugly
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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:43am
 
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Clearly whitenut is looking to a BS piece of fairfax left wing rubbish.

Even for a middle income earner childcare costs make working marginal, if you don't earn much then childcare is obviously not for you .... go do the numbers.

Its very simple if you earn more money you have more life choices.
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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:39am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:43am:
aquascoot

Clearly whitenut is looking to a BS piece of fairfax left wing rubbish.

Even for a middle income earner childcare costs make working marginal, if you don't earn much then childcare is obviously not for you .... go do the numbers.

Its very simple if you earn more money you have more life choices.



thats my message for whiteknight and the millions of whiteknights out there.

stand up straight and face up to the challenges and be a force for good in the world and quit the  ingratitude.

and if you do, an intersting thing will happen, you WILL earn more money.

the people who 'run things" , the "competant " people are always looking for people to mentor and bring up thru the ranks.
and they are looking for the people who stand up striaght and face up to a challenge with a noble and positive attitude.

the whiners about child care ( or anything else for that matter) are just disgusting to the competant boss who is looking to promote someone.  they are "self sabotaging" and that is not fruitful
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Reply #4 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 11:54am
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:39am:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:43am:
aquascoot
Clearly whitenut is looking to a BS piece of fairfax left wing rubbish.
Even for a middle income earner childcare costs make working marginal, if you don't earn much then childcare is obviously not for you .... go do the numbers.

Its very simple if you earn more money you have more life choices.



thats my message for whiteknight and the millions of whiteknights out there.

stand up straight and face up to the challenges and be a force for good in the world and quit the  ingratitude.

and if you do, an intersting thing will happen, you WILL earn more money.

the people who 'run things" , the "competant " people are always looking for people to mentor and bring up thru the ranks.
and they are looking for the people who stand up striaght and face up to a challenge with a noble and positive attitude.

the whiners about child care ( or anything else for that matter) are just disgusting to the competant boss who is looking to promote someone.  they are "self sabotaging" and that is not fruitful


Yes most left wing nutters think the job of government is to compensate their incompetent lazy behinds for achieving nothing.

With childcare it has to cost something ....... say some one on a 1000 / week which in Sydney is well below average  take home is about 42K or 800 / week.

Rent in Sydney for a 1 Bdr flat around Sydney is 400 / week minimum .... out west say in the Penrith area its 200 / week
Utilities would be minimum 50-100/week ....... groceries about $150 / week ....... where is all the money someone in this income bracket could pay to childcare ?
I assume working single mothers are using relo's for child care even out at Penrith it looks like at least $100 / day.

Its a nonsense argument there is no way in the world a low income person could afford even half of what it costs with or without a subsidy !

Low income earners can not also afford a Lexus or Volvo let alone a real premium car ..... more money = more life choices !
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Reply #5 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:10pm
 
Aqua is quite right.  The rich should stop asking for rebates and tax cuts.
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Reply #6 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:28pm
 
stunspore wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:10pm:
Aqua is quite right.  The rich should stop asking for rebates and tax cuts.


Depends what you call rich BS Shorten calls middle income earners rich.

My measure is if you have liquid assets of $1million your rich !

Tax cuts are a combination of electioneering and economic stimulus something the ALP often fail to deliver we are still waiting on Keatings iron clad promised tax cuts !
Middle to high income earners pay the vast mojority of income tax and will benefit more from tax cuts !
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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:42pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:43am:
aquascoot

Clearly whitenut is looking to a BS piece of fairfax left wing rubbish.

Even for a middle income earner childcare costs make working marginal, if you don't earn much then childcare is obviously not for you .... go do the numbers.

Its very simple if you earn more money you have more life choices.


So we pay everybody a guaranteed wage in the middle area, and truly stuff things up, so that all can participate in the largesse of government handouts?  Just asking......

You've been reading some of my other stuff....

https://sites.google.com/site/grappleruniversitypublications/home/department-of-...

Now, now - no criticisms - GU started off as an adjunct to a mythical world containing the empires of Menarovia and Gewesia (along with the Menarovian Mafia and The Imperial Order of Soul-less Assassins, the Imperial Maitre d' and King/Emperor Escargon I and only, and such ...... a host of characters lived there..... and many a fable was wrought... Grappler U became my personal blog site... so no slagging about it being some form of falsehood....

Oh - our entrance standards are VERY high..... Professor Thaddeus Grimoire saw to that when he took on the post of Deputy Chancellor... Herr Docktor Professor Victor Von Frankenstein III, creator, along with his identical twin sister Viktoria, of the Swedism Feminist Monster, relinquished the post after the statutory service of two years..... next in line is Rastus Xavier, Haitian Philosopher and head of the college of human studies....

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Reply #8 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:48pm
 
Perhaps a lowering of the income level at which you receive government largesse for childcare etc would start the ball rolling on a reduction of the costs of living.... it's no good whining about 'high' and 'non-competitive' wages when the costs of living are sky-rocketing....

Start with reducing the costs of living by reducing subsidies that sustain higher costs, then begin the discussion about income levels.... ACROSS THE BOARD (and the boards)...
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stunspore wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:10pm:
Aqua is quite right.  The rich should stop asking for rebates and tax cuts.



indeed they should!!!!.

australian farmers are the most efficient in the world because they stand on their own 2 feet.
no government subsidies.

UK farmers are now going bankrupt, completely non solvent, absolutely rooted because they relied on EU subsidies and with brexit these are gone.

welfare is ALWAYS toxic.
you are ALWAYS diminished by being a taker.
you NEVER want a dollar you didnt earn.

the more responsibility you can voluntarily take on, the higher you soar.

Period  Wink
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Reply #10 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:27pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:02pm:
stunspore wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:10pm:
Aqua is quite right.  The rich should stop asking for rebates and tax cuts.



indeed they should!!!!.

australian farmers are the most efficient in the world because they stand on their own 2 feet.
no government subsidies.
)



Lol how do you measure that
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Reply #11 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 3:33pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:42pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:43am:
aquascoot

Clearly whitenut is looking to a BS piece of fairfax left wing rubbish.

Even for a middle income earner childcare costs make working marginal, if you don't earn much then childcare is obviously not for you .... go do the numbers.

Its very simple if you earn more money you have more life choices.


So we pay everybody a guaranteed wage in the middle area, and truly stuff things up, so that all can participate in the largesse of government handouts?  Just asking......

You've been reading some of my other stuff....


https://sites.google.com/site/grappleruniversitypublications/home/department-of-...

Now, now - no criticisms - GU started off as an adjunct to a mythical world containing the empires of Menarovia and Gewesia (along with the Menarovian Mafia and The Imperial Order of Soul-less Assassins, the Imperial Maitre d' and King/Emperor Escargon I and only, and such ...... a host of characters lived there..... and many a fable was wrought... Grappler U became my personal blog site... so no slagging about it being some form of falsehood....

Oh - our entrance standards are VERY high..... Professor Thaddeus Grimoire saw to that when he took on the post of Deputy Chancellor... Herr Docktor Professor Victor Von Frankenstein III, creator, along with his identical twin sister Viktoria, of the Swedism Feminist Monster, relinquished the post after the statutory service of two years..... next in line is Rastus Xavier, Haitian Philosopher and head of the college of human studies....



This is your crap not mine !
You need to explain your own rubbish !
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Reply #12 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:10pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 3:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:42pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:43am:
aquascoot

Clearly whitenut is looking to a BS piece of fairfax left wing rubbish.

Even for a middle income earner childcare costs make working marginal, if you don't earn much then childcare is obviously not for you .... go do the numbers.

Its very simple if you earn more money you have more life choices.


So we pay everybody a guaranteed wage in the middle area, and truly stuff things up, so that all can participate in the largesse of government handouts?  Just asking......

You've been reading some of my other stuff....


https://sites.google.com/site/grappleruniversitypublications/home/department-of-...

Now, now - no criticisms - GU started off as an adjunct to a mythical world containing the empires of Menarovia and Gewesia (along with the Menarovian Mafia and The Imperial Order of Soul-less Assassins, the Imperial Maitre d' and King/Emperor Escargon I and only, and such ...... a host of characters lived there..... and many a fable was wrought... Grappler U became my personal blog site... so no slagging about it being some form of falsehood....

Oh - our entrance standards are VERY high..... Professor Thaddeus Grimoire saw to that when he took on the post of Deputy Chancellor... Herr Docktor Professor Victor Von Frankenstein III, creator, along with his identical twin sister Viktoria, of the Swedism Feminist Monster, relinquished the post after the statutory service of two years..... next in line is Rastus Xavier, Haitian Philosopher and head of the college of human studies....



This is your crap not mine !
You need to explain your own rubbish !


As they say in the social science and science business - I stand by my opinion.....

You got a problem with Money Divides?  Speak up... you couldn't hit a messenger with a shotgun at ten paces.....
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:10pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 3:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:42pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:43am:
aquascoot

Clearly whitenut is looking to a BS piece of fairfax left wing rubbish.

Even for a middle income earner childcare costs make working marginal, if you don't earn much then childcare is obviously not for you .... go do the numbers.

Its very simple if you earn more money you have more life choices.


So we pay everybody a guaranteed wage in the middle area, and truly stuff things up, so that all can participate in the largesse of government handouts?  Just asking......

You've been reading some of my other stuff....


https://sites.google.com/site/grappleruniversitypublications/home/department-of-...

Now, now - no criticisms - GU started off as an adjunct to a mythical world containing the empires of Menarovia and Gewesia (along with the Menarovian Mafia and The Imperial Order of Soul-less Assassins, the Imperial Maitre d' and King/Emperor Escargon I and only, and such ...... a host of characters lived there..... and many a fable was wrought... Grappler U became my personal blog site... so no slagging about it being some form of falsehood....

Oh - our entrance standards are VERY high..... Professor Thaddeus Grimoire saw to that when he took on the post of Deputy Chancellor... Herr Docktor Professor Victor Von Frankenstein III, creator, along with his identical twin sister Viktoria, of the Swedism Feminist Monster, relinquished the post after the statutory service of two years..... next in line is Rastus Xavier, Haitian Philosopher and head of the college of human studies....



This is your crap not mine !
You need to explain your own rubbish !


As they say in the social science and science business - I stand by my opinion.....

You got a problem with Money Divides?  Speak up... you couldn't hit a messenger with a shotgun at ten paces.....


I have a problem with you implying this rubbish is what I think, you posted you own it Smiley
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Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:46pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:02pm:
stunspore wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:10pm:
Aqua is quite right.  The rich should stop asking for rebates and tax cuts.



indeed they should!!!!.

australian farmers are the most efficient in the world because they stand on their own 2 feet.
no government subsidies.

UK farmers are now going bankrupt, completely non solvent, absolutely rooted because they relied on EU subsidies and with brexit these are gone.

welfare is ALWAYS toxic.
you are ALWAYS diminished by being a taker.
you NEVER want a dollar you didnt earn.

the more responsibility you can voluntarily take on, the higher you soar.

Period  Wink


aussie farmers are still subsidised.  just not as much as some compared to other countries.  But it isn't a big problem since we are selling the farms to overseas.
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