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Reply #60 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:27am
 
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QLD police union: hidden speed cameras are ‘revenue raisers’; don’t save lives


The head of the Queensland Police Union (QPU) has publically acknowledged that covert and hidden speed cameras do not save lives and are indeed nothing more than revenue raisers for the state government.

Confirming the public’s perception that hidden camera vans and trailers have no effect in reducing the road toll, the president of the Queensland Police Union, Ian Levers, told CarAdvice it’s time for a change.
“They are revenue raisers pure and simple, we all know it,” Levers said.

“With any other organisation if you try something and it doesn’t work, you try something different. However, with these covert speed cameras, even though we know they don’t work, rather than try something different senior police simply roll out more? It doesn’t make sense.”

Having made the comments regarding the covert speed cameras earlier this month, CarAdvice got in contact with Mr Levers with a series of questions regarding whether the whole concept of speed enforcement required a rethink.

“All forms of mobile, covert and unmarked speed cameras including speed camera trailers do nothing to affect the road toll.”

http://www.caradvice.com.au/616161/qld-police-hidden-speed-cameras-are-revenue-r...



"hidden speed cameras are ‘revenue raisers’ "

Good.

The Police and State Governemnt should have plenty of revenue.

If you don't want to contribute - don't speed.

It couldn't be simpler, or fairer.




Don't want to get busted DUI? Don't drink and drive.


Exactly.

Where's the problem?



The police etc claim that their interest is in saving lives and road safety. Hidden cameras in danger spots effectively hide the danger and put people at risk.

Instead of putting up signs and warning people of the danger they hide a camera and raise revenue.


Good.


Innocent people dying in avoidable car accidents to assist with revenue raising is good ?

I don't agree.
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Reply #61 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:39am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:25am:
Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:17am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:13am:
The original Spit Bridge cameras 2 of them were taken out and moved to the F1 up from the Hawksberry bridge going north. They were moved because they had been successfully challenged too many times by the Lawyers and their friends of Mosman and surrounding suburbs. Wealthy people dampen the revenue stream.


Yeah and to be fair, going down hill on a twisty road, it's much better to keep your eyes on the road than on the speedo to make sure you're not going half a poofteenth over the speed limit Smiley


You understand that going north from the Hawksbury is all up hill ?

What happened here is that in this location as you came up over the top of the hill 300 metres ahead the road went from 3 lanes to two. Particularly on a friday afternoon people in the right lane would come around the sweeping bend going fast and be faced with a sea of brake lights caused by the build up from the merging traffic. Often cars virtually stopped what felt like 50 metres in front with a 110 speed limit. It was scary.

The roads people upgraded to 3 lanes right through the area and fixed the problem, 6 months later the camera's went in and the speed limit was reduced all to fix a problem that didn't exist any longer. It was absolutely brilliant, the work of quality idiots. Hey but people now pay the fines from cameras that were previously proven to be unreliable beaten in court as a matter of course.


I was talking about Spit Rd.
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Reply #62 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:41am
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:39am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:25am:
Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:17am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:13am:
The original Spit Bridge cameras 2 of them were taken out and moved to the F1 up from the Hawksberry bridge going north. They were moved because they had been successfully challenged too many times by the Lawyers and their friends of Mosman and surrounding suburbs. Wealthy people dampen the revenue stream.


Yeah and to be fair, going down hill on a twisty road, it's much better to keep your eyes on the road than on the speedo to make sure you're not going half a poofteenth over the speed limit Smiley


You understand that going north from the Hawksbury is all up hill ?

What happened here is that in this location as you came up over the top of the hill 300 metres ahead the road went from 3 lanes to two. Particularly on a friday afternoon people in the right lane would come around the sweeping bend going fast and be faced with a sea of brake lights caused by the build up from the merging traffic. Often cars virtually stopped what felt like 50 metres in front with a 110 speed limit. It was scary.

The roads people upgraded to 3 lanes right through the area and fixed the problem, 6 months later the camera's went in and the speed limit was reduced all to fix a problem that didn't exist any longer. It was absolutely brilliant, the work of quality idiots. Hey but people now pay the fines from cameras that were previously proven to be unreliable beaten in court as a matter of course.


I was talking about Spit Rd.


The cameras they took out were the dual cameras going uphill also. I do not know what is there now if anything.
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Reply #63 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:32am
 
"Why panic brake if you werent speeding in the first place? "

Tell that to the idiot who drove straight out in front of me in an 80kph zone, forcing me to apply the outstanding Territory brakes... missed by that much!  Bloody fool... just because the car in the left lane is turning left doesn't mean I am as well... DUUUH...

Tell that to the dopey sheila who pulled out of a side road onto the 110kph, and instead of following the slip lane and merging 400 m down the road, plenty of space, just darted straight in front of me when another car was overtaking me, forcing me to brake and swing over and just miss the guy overtaking.

You don't have to be speeding to 'panic brake' when there are countless fools with a driving licence and a car....
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Reply #64 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 2:10pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:17am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:13am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:39am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:38am:
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QLD police union: hidden speed cameras are ‘revenue raisers’; don’t save lives


The head of the Queensland Police Union (QPU) has publically acknowledged that covert and hidden speed cameras do not save lives and are indeed nothing more than revenue raisers for the state government.

Confirming the public’s perception that hidden camera vans and trailers have no effect in reducing the road toll, the president of the Queensland Police Union, Ian Levers, told CarAdvice it’s time for a change.
“They are revenue raisers pure and simple, we all know it,” Levers said.

“With any other organisation if you try something and it doesn’t work, you try something different. However, with these covert speed cameras, even though we know they don’t work, rather than try something different senior police simply roll out more? It doesn’t make sense.”

Having made the comments regarding the covert speed cameras earlier this month, CarAdvice got in contact with Mr Levers with a series of questions regarding whether the whole concept of speed enforcement required a rethink.

“All forms of mobile, covert and unmarked speed cameras including speed camera trailers do nothing to affect the road toll.”

http://www.caradvice.com.au/616161/qld-police-hidden-speed-cameras-are-revenue-r...



I often drive past the biggest revenue raiser in NSW possible the country. The camera just before Spit Bridge.
Since they introduced the camera accidents have gone up due to people panic breaking when they see the camera.

On the counter side the one in the harbour tunnel is heavily advertise but averages 32 or so infringements per day !

Mixed views on it personally its a bit hypocritical speeding and complaining about being caught !



Why panic brake if you werent speeding in the first place?


The Spit bridge camera is at the bottom on a very steep hill.




Do the vehicles there not have breaks, or gearboxes?



The original Spit Bridge cameras 2 of them were taken out and moved to the F1 up from the Hawksberry bridge going north. They were moved because they had been successfully challenged too many times by the Lawyers and their friends of Mosman and surrounding suburbs. Wealthy people dampen the revenue stream.


Yeah and to be fair, going down hill on a twisty road, it's much better to keep your eyes on the road than on the speedo to make sure you're not going half a poofteenth over the speed limit Smiley


Looks like a mixture of spurious guess work by many here.
The fact is the police took a measure and it backfired road safety did not improve. Yes a big part of that is driver behaviour but as many point out the camera should be about road safety.
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Reply #65 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:33pm
 
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   The original Spit Bridge cameras 2 of them were taken out and moved to the F1 up from the Hawksberry bridge going north. They were moved because they had been successfully challenged too many times by the Lawyers and their friends of Mosman and surrounding suburbs. Wealthy people dampen the revenue stream.         


As a matter of fact
They were removed because they were installed in an environment that demonstrated the faulty nature of the cameras.
Bus drivers were being books at speeds unattainable by busses uphill.
They were successfully challenged when they were proven inaccurate.
The vibration from the busses were setting off the piezoelectric sensors prematurely indicating an impossible speed.

Speed cameras measure speed over. Metre only
The sensors pick up the first signal, transmit it to the computer housed in the box on the side of the road.
Then they get the second signal when the vehicle passes over the second sensor.

Now
The sensors degrade over time and use, thousands of times an hour is far more than they are designed to work.

The road ENVIRONMENT is also very sympathetic to electromechanical equipment....NOT
The roads can range from negative temperatures to 60, 70, 120 Deg and more.

Then there is the computers housed in boxes on the side of the road.
Subjected to varying temperatures similar to the sensors.
And to add insult to injury, vibration from the trucks, cars and wind does wonderful things to electronics.
Add a little humidity, rain and even varying electrical current and you have the perfect ENVIRONMENT for highly accurate speed measurement.........NOT

ACA tried to obtain records of accuracy, calibration and repeatability.
They asked for the required Estimate of uncertainty of the cameras under the FOI laws and were denied the data.

Speed cameras are as accurate as a two Bob watch.
They are used in a corrupt and deliberately secretive manner to raise revenue.
They have no influence on safety WHAT SO EVER.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a FOOL.
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Reply #66 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:32pm
 
One of the benefits of a Constitution is that it protects you from unreasonable municipal money scams like speed trap cameras. I have the Right to face my accuser in court, a camera can't be cross examined.
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Reply #67 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:43pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
One of the benefits of a Constitution is that it protects you from unreasonable municipal money scams like speed trap cameras. I have the Right to face my accuser in court, a camera can't be cross examined.



Not here Mort, when our state govts' are hard up for cash because of all their socialist spending, they get extra money any way they can, by hook or by crook
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Reply #68 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 12:09am
 
Speed cameras are just revenue raisers.
Even cops get caught by them.
It's impossible to regulate your driving to always be no more than 2km/hr over the speed limit.

The real problem is idiot drivers -
tailgating, changing lanes without indicating etc.
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Reply #69 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 12:19am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:43pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
One of the benefits of a Constitution is that it protects you from unreasonable municipal money scams like speed trap cameras. I have the Right to face my accuser in court, a camera can't be cross examined.



Not here Mort, when our state govts' are hard up for cash because of all their socialist spending, they get extra money any way they can, by hook or by crook


It's not just state govts. If the the federal tax on tobacco achieved it's aim of stopping people smoking they'd be in deep doodoo. Yet they increase it at 10% a year claiming exactly that it will stop people smoking. It doesn't and they pilfer our pockets.

The tax on alcohol is another. They claim it will stop people drinking so much, it doesn't. If it did the Japanese would all be alchos as less tax would by their reasoning encourage drinking. In Au 2 bottles of black label JW will set you back at least $80 and more like $100, in Japan you could just about buy 6 for that.

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Reply #70 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:20am
 
Oh ffs... We already know that the police use speed cameras for revenue raising. The police fine you for speeding and other traffic offences because they get 10% of the fine put in their wages.
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Reply #71 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 7:30am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:27am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:25am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:23am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:15am:
Quote:
QLD police union: hidden speed cameras are ‘revenue raisers’; don’t save lives


The head of the Queensland Police Union (QPU) has publically acknowledged that covert and hidden speed cameras do not save lives and are indeed nothing more than revenue raisers for the state government.

Confirming the public’s perception that hidden camera vans and trailers have no effect in reducing the road toll, the president of the Queensland Police Union, Ian Levers, told CarAdvice it’s time for a change.
“They are revenue raisers pure and simple, we all know it,” Levers said.

“With any other organisation if you try something and it doesn’t work, you try something different. However, with these covert speed cameras, even though we know they don’t work, rather than try something different senior police simply roll out more? It doesn’t make sense.”

Having made the comments regarding the covert speed cameras earlier this month, CarAdvice got in contact with Mr Levers with a series of questions regarding whether the whole concept of speed enforcement required a rethink.

“All forms of mobile, covert and unmarked speed cameras including speed camera trailers do nothing to affect the road toll.”

http://www.caradvice.com.au/616161/qld-police-hidden-speed-cameras-are-revenue-r...



"hidden speed cameras are ‘revenue raisers’ "

Good.

The Police and State Governemnt should have plenty of revenue.

If you don't want to contribute - don't speed.

It couldn't be simpler, or fairer.




Don't want to get busted DUI? Don't drink and drive.


Exactly.

Where's the problem?



The police etc claim that their interest is in saving lives and road safety. Hidden cameras in danger spots effectively hide the danger and put people at risk.

Instead of putting up signs and warning people of the danger they hide a camera and raise revenue.


Good.


Innocent people dying in avoidable car accidents to assist with revenue raising is good ?

I don't agree.


The best solution to black spots is to fix the problem.
Not far from where I live their use to be a roundabout regarded as the worse in NSW. It was during the time where they went viral they were mindlessly putting them everywhere. About 10 years ago they got rid of it and put traffic lights up instead. The intersection barely gets a mention these days.

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Reply #72 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 7:42am
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:39am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:25am:
Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:17am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:13am:
The original Spit Bridge cameras 2 of them were taken out and moved to the F1 up from the Hawksberry bridge going north. They were moved because they had been successfully challenged too many times by the Lawyers and their friends of Mosman and surrounding suburbs. Wealthy people dampen the revenue stream.


Yeah and to be fair, going down hill on a twisty road, it's much better to keep your eyes on the road than on the speedo to make sure you're not going half a poofteenth over the speed limit Smiley


You understand that going north from the Hawksbury is all up hill ?

What happened here is that in this location as you came up over the top of the hill 300 metres ahead the road went from 3 lanes to two. Particularly on a friday afternoon people in the right lane would come around the sweeping bend going fast and be faced with a sea of brake lights caused by the build up from the merging traffic. Often cars virtually stopped what felt like 50 metres in front with a 110 speed limit. It was scary.

The roads people upgraded to 3 lanes right through the area and fixed the problem, 6 months later the camera's went in and the speed limit was reduced all to fix a problem that didn't exist any longer. It was absolutely brilliant, the work of quality idiots. Hey but people now pay the fines from cameras that were previously proven to be unreliable beaten in court as a matter of course.


I was talking about Spit Rd.


From memory the road is relative low accident area considering amount of traffic...... before the cameras there was roughly 12 accidents a year which went up to 14 (from memory) accidents after they were installed ..... neither figure is disturbing for a major road in Sydney so for sure the Spit Rd camera is a revenue camera.

I got caught in the traffic from a big bus accident once but considering how busy it gets I would not call it a black spot.

What I would call a real black spot is an area with moderate or low traffic but high accident rate.
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Reply #73 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 7:51am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
One of the benefits of a Constitution is that it protects you from unreasonable municipal money scams like speed trap cameras. I have the Right to face my accuser in court, a camera can't be cross examined.


That would be the minority you can not argue revenue raising in court the judge will just explain donations are voluntary.

The only time I have seen camera charges beaten in court are on more technical reasons. The funniest one I read about was a lady got done for 158 km/h in a Datsun 120y. The media got a pro-driver to take her beast out on a track the fastest it would go was 117kph.

Victoria seems to have a rich history in misuse of speed cameras.
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Reply #74 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 8:09am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 12:09am:
Speed cameras are just revenue raisers.
Even cops get caught by them.
It's impossible to regulate your driving to always be no more than 2km/hr over the speed limit.

The real problem is idiot drivers -
tailgating, changing lanes without indicating etc.


I have not been booked for over 10 years and I do about 20k-25k / year. I find it easy I speed all the time but I know where all the fixed cameras are on my regular routes and the spots where the mobile cameras usually sit.

The last time I got booked was by a mobile Hwy Patrol car doing 100 in a 90 zone. I was the only car on the road .... but I was speeding no complaints.

I do agree we need to lift the bar on driver testing and training ...... and yes the police should focus on other bad driver techniques. If anyone tail gates me I cut my speed in half ! The road I live on is a 50 zone but many like to do 70-80 ...... I often get to my house with 20 odd cars following me as I am doing 20-30 as I am getting tailgated.
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