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Reply #15 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:42am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:41am:
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QLD police union: hidden speed cameras are ‘revenue raisers’; don’t save lives


The head of the Queensland Police Union (QPU) has publically acknowledged that covert and hidden speed cameras do not save lives and are indeed nothing more than revenue raisers for the state government.

Confirming the public’s perception that hidden camera vans and trailers have no effect in reducing the road toll, the president of the Queensland Police Union, Ian Levers, told CarAdvice it’s time for a change.
“They are revenue raisers pure and simple, we all know it,” Levers said.

“With any other organisation if you try something and it doesn’t work, you try something different. However, with these covert speed cameras, even though we know they don’t work, rather than try something different senior police simply roll out more? It doesn’t make sense.”

Having made the comments regarding the covert speed cameras earlier this month, CarAdvice got in contact with Mr Levers with a series of questions regarding whether the whole concept of speed enforcement required a rethink.

“All forms of mobile, covert and unmarked speed cameras including speed camera trailers do nothing to affect the road toll.”

http://www.caradvice.com.au/616161/qld-police-hidden-speed-cameras-are-revenue-r...



"hidden speed cameras are ‘revenue raisers’ "

Good.

The Police and State Governemnt should have plenty of revenue.

If you don't want to contribute - don't speed.

It couldn't be simpler, or fairer.




Don't want to get busted DUI? Don't drink and drive.


Exactly.

Where's the problem?



The main issue is they claim they improve road safety which is hit and miss .... as soon as people are out of sight of the fixed camera they again speed up. I think all fixed cameras should be removed all should be mobile.

The practical problems with speed cameras is often there are black spots which are not suitable for camera / radar usage due to many reasons. Large metal signs and other structures can create false readings.

My preference is for more patrol cares picking up other issues that I see regularly the big one is right hand lane hogging ..... another one is roundabouts about 30% of drivers seem clueless about them !


You might not like Perth.

About 95% of drivers are clueless when it comes to roundabouts.

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Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers
Reply #16 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:48am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:33am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:15am:
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QLD police union: hidden speed cameras are ‘revenue raisers’; don’t save lives


The head of the Queensland Police Union (QPU) has publically acknowledged that covert and hidden speed cameras do not save lives and are indeed nothing more than revenue raisers for the state government.

Confirming the public’s perception that hidden camera vans and trailers have no effect in reducing the road toll, the president of the Queensland Police Union, Ian Levers, told CarAdvice it’s time for a change.
“They are revenue raisers pure and simple, we all know it,” Levers said.

“With any other organisation if you try something and it doesn’t work, you try something different. However, with these covert speed cameras, even though we know they don’t work, rather than try something different senior police simply roll out more? It doesn’t make sense.”

Having made the comments regarding the covert speed cameras earlier this month, CarAdvice got in contact with Mr Levers with a series of questions regarding whether the whole concept of speed enforcement required a rethink.

“All forms of mobile, covert and unmarked speed cameras including speed camera trailers do nothing to affect the road toll.”

http://www.caradvice.com.au/616161/qld-police-hidden-speed-cameras-are-revenue-r...



I often drive past the biggest revenue raiser in NSW possible the country. The camera just before Spit Bridge.
Since they introduced the camera accidents have gone up due to people panic breaking when they see the camera.

On the counter side the one in the harbour tunnel is heavily advertised but averages 32 or so infringements per day !

Mixed views on it personally its a bit hypocritical speeding and complaining about being caught !


Wasn't the one on the Spit Bridge turned off for some time?
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Reply #17 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:48am
 
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I did heaps of driving on the last holidays and very few cars were speeding, but lots of people were driving like cnts.

So many people sitting 2m behind another car at freeway speeds, changing lanes aggressively etc etc. That is what gets people killed, not creeping to 110 at the bottom of a hill on a 3 lane Hwy.

I reckon dashcams should be installed in 1000s of cars of people who are 'deputised' as dashcam operators.

Whenever they witness a dickhead on the road, they head for their nearest copshop and the dashcam footage is used to ping them.


I was doing a short term gig down at Australia's most boring place Canberra. I drove down Monday morning then back on Friday arvo.

I saw a lot of weird dangerous driving that has no upside..... one odd one is cars speed up behind a slow vehicle like a big truck get as close as possible then over take as late as possible.

The cops seen happy with you being 5-10kph over I regularly passed stationary highway patrol cars with the cruise control locked in at 120 .... that should be about 2-5kph over in real speed.
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Reply #18 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:49am
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:40am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:32am:
Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:15am:
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QLD police union: hidden speed cameras are ‘revenue raisers’; don’t save lives


The head of the Queensland Police Union (QPU) has publically acknowledged that covert and hidden speed cameras do not save lives and are indeed nothing more than revenue raisers for the state government.

Confirming the public’s perception that hidden camera vans and trailers have no effect in reducing the road toll, the president of the Queensland Police Union, Ian Levers, told CarAdvice it’s time for a change.
“They are revenue raisers pure and simple, we all know it,” Levers said.

“With any other organisation if you try something and it doesn’t work, you try something different. However, with these covert speed cameras, even though we know they don’t work, rather than try something different senior police simply roll out more? It doesn’t make sense.”

Having made the comments regarding the covert speed cameras earlier this month, CarAdvice got in contact with Mr Levers with a series of questions regarding whether the whole concept of speed enforcement required a rethink.

“All forms of mobile, covert and unmarked speed cameras including speed camera trailers do nothing to affect the road toll.”

http://www.caradvice.com.au/616161/qld-police-hidden-speed-cameras-are-revenue-r...



"hidden speed cameras are ‘revenue raisers’ "

Good.

The Police and State Governemnt should have plenty of revenue.

If you don't want to contribute - don't speed.

It couldn't be simpler, or fairer.



Actually speed cameras are not fair as are frequently set up in places at the bottom of a hill where unless you're staring at the speedo it's very easy to creep a few KMs enough over to get a ticket.

What's a lot fairer is point to point speed detectors.





In Massachusetts they took this to court and had speed cameras abolished, they argued having more highway patrol cars on the roads was far more effective. It's funny how people slow down when they see a cop car.

The police union admits speed cameras do nothing to save lives, is the government telling us lies when they claim they're for road safety?




I did heaps of driving on the last holidays and very few cars were speeding, but lots of people were driving like cnts.

So many people sitting 2m behind another car at freeway speeds, changing lanes aggressively etc etc. That is what gets people killed, not creeping to 110 at the bottom of a hill on a 3 lane Hwy.

I reckon dashcams should be installed in 1000s of cars of people who are 'deputised' as dashcam operators.

Whenever they witness a dickhead on the road, they head for their nearest copshop and the dashcam footage is used to ping them.


There are a lot of idiots on the road.

There was a study that showed speed cameras distract drivers by making them focus on their speedo too much instead of looking at what is going on around them, i will try to find it later.

I find cruise control helps on roads with heaps of cameras, don't have to constantly check speed allowing me to see what is going on around me.
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Reply #19 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:50am
 
Mixed views on it personally its a bit hypocritical speeding and complaining about being caught !


I think there is a difference between intentionally speeding and accidental speeding.

I have a terrible time on the roads because I watch out for idiots and pedestrians,,, I miss seeing the limit changes, or I turn onto a new road and don't know what the limit is.

I don't want to be driving under the limit and holding up the traffic, and I don't want to speed.

I would like to see speed limits marked by colour coded traffic marking lines, so you always know what the limit is (as long as there are lines)

I had a Navman that alerted me to the speed zones, however its up to local shires to update changes,,, and they dont.

Its very easy to accidentally speed and a bit unfair if the police concentrate on catching accidental speeders.

Its probably safer to be watching the traffic than being anal and watching the speedo.

I must get a new Navman to help check my speed, as the old one was Chinese and stopped working after 12.000001 months
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Reply #20 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:51am
 
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They use to have 2 really close until someone complained about fines from both ....... that is definitely revenue raising and the judge agreed so  one was removed.

Don't recall them being turned off this camera is the jewel in the crown for revenue.
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Oh yes, no problem the cops smashing deliberate speeders
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Reply #22 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:54am
 
miketrees wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:50am:
Mixed views on it personally its a bit hypocritical speeding and complaining about being caught !


I think there is a difference between intentionally speeding and accidental speeding.

I have a terrible time on the roads because I watch out for idiots and pedestrians,,, I miss seeing the limit changes, or I turn onto a new road and don't know what the limit is.

I don't want to be driving under the limit and holding up the traffic, and I don't want to speed.

I would like to see speed limits marked by colour coded traffic marking lines, so you always know what the limit is (as long as there are lines)

I had a Navman that alerted me to the speed zones, however its up to local shires to update changes,,, and they dont.

Its very easy to accidentally speed and a bit unfair if the police concentrate on catching accidental speeders.

Its probably safer to be watching the traffic than being anal and watching the speedo.

I must get a new Navman to help check my speed, as the old one was Chinese and stopped working after 12.000001 months


If there's no speed limit sign (in a built up area), the speed limit is 50 (60 in the NT).

Simple.
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Reply #23 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:56am
 
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I think there is a difference between intentionally speeding and accidental speeding.

I have a terrible time on the roads because I watch out for idiots and pedestrians,,, I miss seeing the limit changes, or I turn onto a new road and don't know what the limit is.

I don't want to be driving under the limit and holding up the traffic, and I don't want to speed.

I would like to see speed limits marked by colour coded traffic marking lines, so you always know what the limit is (as long as there are lines)

I had a Navman that alerted me to the speed zones, however its up to local shires to update changes,,, and they dont.

Its very easy to accidentally speed and a bit unfair if the police concentrate on catching accidental speeders.

Its probably safer to be watching the traffic than being anal and watching the speedo.

I must get a new Navman to help check my speed, as the old one was Chinese and stopped working after 12.000001 months


No there is no difference between accidental over speed or genuine.

I guess you could rate fines based not on over speed but duration but they don't

One issue I hate in NSW there are apparently 9 possible speed limits. School zones are 40 KPH on streets that are 50 KPH ....... does anyone think 10KPH means the difference between life and death ?

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Reply #24 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:56am
 
miketrees wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:51am:
Oh yes, no problem the cops smashing deliberate speeders


Of course, but more often than not they set up in places where they can keep busy and be safe.

On my last Sydney Qld Sydney trip I only saw them set up towards the bottom of a hill on a dead straight 2 or 3 lane stretch of road.

I lost count of how many times some tool sat a meter or two behind me at 100kph.......


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Reply #25 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:58am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:56am:
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I think there is a difference between intentionally speeding and accidental speeding.

I have a terrible time on the roads because I watch out for idiots and pedestrians,,, I miss seeing the limit changes, or I turn onto a new road and don't know what the limit is.

I don't want to be driving under the limit and holding up the traffic, and I don't want to speed.

I would like to see speed limits marked by colour coded traffic marking lines, so you always know what the limit is (as long as there are lines)

I had a Navman that alerted me to the speed zones, however its up to local shires to update changes,,, and they dont.

Its very easy to accidentally speed and a bit unfair if the police concentrate on catching accidental speeders.

Its probably safer to be watching the traffic than being anal and watching the speedo.

I must get a new Navman to help check my speed, as the old one was Chinese and stopped working after 12.000001 months


No there is no difference between accidental over speed or genuine.

I guess you could rate fines based not on over speed but duration but they don't

One issue I hate in NSW there are apparently 9 possible speed limits. School zones are 40 KPH on streets that are 50 KPH ....... does anyone think 10KPH means the difference between life and death ?



In school zones, 10kph makes a huge diff.
Maybe fines should be based on a % of the base speed?
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Reply #26 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am
 
If there's no speed limit sign (in a built up area), the speed limit is 50 (60 in the NT).

Simple.


This is why people with your simple mind set should not be in charge of anything.

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Reply #27 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:05am
 
miketrees wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
If there's no speed limit sign (in a built up area), the speed limit is 50 (60 in the NT).

Simple.


This is why people with your simple mind set should not be in charge of anything.



Not sure what you're talking about.

Those are the rules.

If you're in a built up area, and you can't see any signs, the speed limit is 50.

If you don't know that, you shouldn't be driving in the first place.
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Reply #28 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:12am
 
If you don't know that, you shouldn't be driving in the first place.

Thats the attitude that causes all the problems and deaths.

The roads should be signposted correctly.

The other problem with road safety is that we don't use the hierarchy of control to reduce risk.

We rely on lower order controls,,, Admin we dont do enough engineering, elimination or substitution.

Admin only works if people are compliant, engineering (better roads) works regardless.

Unless you have the small minded people in charge that engineer unsafety into roads
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Reply #29 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:18am
 
miketrees wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:12am:
If you don't know that, you shouldn't be driving in the first place.

Thats the attitude that causes all the problems and deaths.

The roads should be signposted correctly.

The other problem with road safety is that we don't use the hierarchy of control to reduce risk.

We rely on lower order controls,,, Admin we dont do enough engineering, elimination or substitution.

Admin only works if people are compliant, engineering (better roads) works regardless.

Unless you have the small minded people in charge that engineer unsafety into roads


They generally are.

When there's no sign, you're in a 50 limit.

It couldn't be simpler.

"the default speed limit is 50 km/h

"speed signs are not displayed on all roads in built-up areas. In these cases, the default speed limit is always in effect"



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