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Electric cars are here to stay...
Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:51pm
 
..and the planet accountants all know it, they just pretend they don't!  Grin
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Reply #1 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:37am
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
..and the planet accountants all know it, they just pretend they don't!  Grin


They need another evolution in technology there are both serious technical and economic issues that need to be resolved.

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I put it to the forum that vic is a planet accountant!

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Reply #3 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 4:28pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:37am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
..and the planet accountants all know it, they just pretend they don't!  Grin


They need another evolution in technology there are both serious technical and economic issues that need to be resolved.


Such as?
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Reply #4 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:31am
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 4:28pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:37am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
..and the planet accountants all know it, they just pretend they don't!  Grin


They need another evolution in technology there are both serious technical and economic issues that need to be resolved.


Such as?


Price to start with ... Teslas cost 100-200k yet this leads to them making a loss ...... not economically sustainable. They claim 400KM out of a recharge which I assume is feathering the accelerator .... then an hour to rapid recharge (if there is one near where you run out) .... based on that most petrol cars would beat it to Sydney to QLD as it would require 2-3 recharges wasting 3 hrs !

Not against them they just need more work. The Chinese are on to it so maybe in a decade or two they will be practical.
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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:52pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:31am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 4:28pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:37am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
..and the planet accountants all know it, they just pretend they don't!  Grin


They need another evolution in technology there are both serious technical and economic issues that need to be resolved.


Such as?


Price to start with ... Teslas cost 100-200k yet this leads to them making a loss ...... not economically sustainable. They claim 400KM out of a recharge which I assume is feathering the accelerator .... then an hour to rapid recharge (if there is one near where you run out) .... based on that most petrol cars would beat it to Sydney to QLD as it would require 2-3 recharges wasting 3 hrs !

Not against them they just need more work. The Chinese are on to it so maybe in a decade or two they will be practical.

Hey, maybe they should make you a consultant because you obviously know your stuff bruther  Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink  Grin

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Reply #6 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:12pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:31am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 4:28pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:37am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
..and the planet accountants all know it, they just pretend they don't!  Grin


They need another evolution in technology there are both serious technical and economic issues that need to be resolved.


Such as?


Price to start with ... Teslas cost 100-200k yet this leads to them making a loss ...... not economically sustainable. They claim 400KM out of a recharge which I assume is feathering the accelerator .... then an hour to rapid recharge (if there is one near where you run out) .... based on that most petrol cars would beat it to Sydney to QLD as it would require 2-3 recharges wasting 3 hrs !

Not against them they just need more work. The Chinese are on to it so maybe in a decade or two they will be practical.



Where do you get this figure of 100-200k?
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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #7 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:24pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:12pm:
Where do you get this figure of 100-200k?



Based on Tesla S 75D $112,500 to P100D $196,200. I assume.
https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models/design
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Reply #8 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:26pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:24pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:12pm:
Where do you get this figure of 100-200k?



Based on Tesla S 75D $112,500 to P100D $196,200. I assume.
https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models/design



My apologies, I meant more the loss part.
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Reply #9 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 5:59pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:37am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
..and the planet accountants all know it, they just pretend they don't!  Grin


They need another evolution in technology there are both serious technical and economic issues that need to be resolved.


Yes, I remember a teacher in the early 70's building one,  the motors have not changed much and the batteries have improved a bit, they are here to stay but they will only have limited use until battery weight can come down significantly, they have tried all the metals minerals and chemicals known and for some reason the weight always only decreases marginally.
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Reply #10 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:39pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:12pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:31am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 4:28pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:37am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
..and the planet accountants all know it, they just pretend they don't!  Grin


They need another evolution in technology there are both serious technical and economic issues that need to be resolved.


Such as?


Price to start with ... Teslas cost 100-200k yet this leads to them making a loss ...... not economically sustainable. They claim 400KM out of a recharge which I assume is feathering the accelerator .... then an hour to rapid recharge (if there is one near where you run out) .... based on that most petrol cars would beat it to Sydney to QLD as it would require 2-3 recharges wasting 3 hrs !

Not against them they just need more work. The Chinese are on to it so maybe in a decade or two they will be practical.



Where do you get this figure of 100-200k?


https://www.drive.com.au/new-car-details/tesla/model-s/75d-sportback-sedan-5dr-reduction-gear-1sp-awd-ac193kw/2000275?trackLink=newCarResults1

Not up to speed with google ?

And yes they are making a loss at these numbers !
There are a few Chinese companies on to it so they will both get the price and practicality working ...... one has already built one that blows the doors off Teslas but as I said it will need time !
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Reply #11 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:48pm
 
electric cars are almost done and dusted...

try and find a 2018 fully electric car in australia this year..

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
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Tesla staggering $1 billion loss

in just three months
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ELECTRIC car company Tesla has posted a staggering quarterly loss that amounts to nearly A$1 billion.


The US$780 million quarterly loss (A$997 million) is in the wake of the huge production problems that have slowed the flow of its blockbuster car to a trickle.

The quarterly loss gives Tesla an annual loss of US$2.2 billion and mounting debt.
  Shocked

Confessing the debt to the markets on Thursday morning Australian time, Tesla admitted it has been
“overconfident” and “complacent”.



Tesla has been losing an incredible amount of money recently.

Production issues have caused Tesla to fall well behind schedule on its Model 3 car, which is intended to be a mass-market offering.

The company aimed to make 5000 cars a week by the end of 2017 but could only manage to deliver a few thousand in total during the year.

It is now working to rectify its mistakes by importing new production equipment from Germany to replace the problematic equipment at its battery factory.

The problems can be traced back to a rapid set of timelines that saw Tesla rush to achieve high levels of production.

Musk admitted on Thursday he had been too ambitious in the past.

“We were probably a little overconfident, we were complacent,” he said, admitting that fixing all the mistakes had caused “a lot of pain”.

“Pain level is extremely high. I was in the gigafactory on Thanksgiving day,” he said.

Tesla’s delays put the company in an uncomfortable situation. The company borrowed a lot of money to build itself up, and it needs to sell lots of cars to pay the money back. Each delay costs more money while deferring the money-making phase. That can’t go on forever.

Tesla has US$9.5 billion worth of long-term debt and capital leases on its books, and an interest bill on its debt of nearly half a billon dollars a year. Even if it doesn’t borrow more, that bill could be set to rise as US interest rates go up.

On Thursday, however,
Tesla CEO Musk
was seeing the bright side. He willingly admitted his enormous automated battery factory — the “alien dreadnought” gigafactory — was failing to operate properly.

Two of four zones “flat out didn’t work”, he said. But he was finding solace in an unexpected place – by seeing that humans could actually operate better than robots.

“We have a semi-automatic line which is a series of small automated stations manned by people. And they have actually been remarkably effective,” he said. “It has renewed my faith in humanity.”

The man who wanted to banish most humans from the production facility altogether is instead finding them very useful and highly capable.

“The rapid evolution of progress and the ability of people to adapt rapidly is quite remarkable. Our semi-automatic line is exceeding all three of the automatic lines.”

Still, Mr Musk didn’t want to give the impression that the batteries were being made like custom furniture or wood-fired pizzas.

“It is not artisanal!” he joked.

Musk, who has been regularly blowing away competitors in the space industry with his company SpaceX, yesterday landed two rocket boosters back on earth after a launch of the Falcon Heavy rocket.

SpaceX launches the Falcon Heavy rocket
Aboard that rocket was Musk’s Tesla Roadster, the first car Tesla ever made.

Musk uses that as inspiration for overcoming the issues in making Tesla’s mass production car, the Model 3.

“If we can send a roadster to the asteroid belt we can probably solve Model 3 production. It’s just a matter of time,” Musk said.

IT’S OF THE ESSENCE

Time, though, is the one thing Mr Musk has shown he can’t control. Deadlines appear to be his kryptonite.

Unfortunately he can’t stop setting them for himself. On Thursday, he promised or indicated Tesla would do each of the following.


• Fix self-driving capacity so that customers can drive autonomously “coast-to-coast” across America within three to six months.

• Make 5000 model 3 cars a week within five months.

• Announce a new SUV – the model Y – in six months time.

• Become profitable this year, according to generally accepted accounting principles (Elon admitted this one was optimistic and he was not certain about it.).

• Make a million cars a year by 2020

• Make 100,000 electric semi-trailer trucks a year within four years.

• To turn Tesla around while also achieving all of these in the timelines Musk expects, Tesla employees will need to put in one of the greatest bursts of productivity in business history. Let’s hope Mr Musk’s faith in humanity is justified.


maybe they need a new CEO..


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Yes its cart before the horse business model, they are trying to commercialise a car that has failed very basic proof of concept and are running into all sorts of issues these electric car worshipping zombies don't get.
The basic concept is there they just need to address the many elephants in the room one is cost.

There are some interesting reports out there that look at what you posted in more detail plus many other issues. Apparently the build quality on them is rubbish !

Electric will be the vehicle of the future just at least a decade or 2 of sorting out the numerous issues  and not sure it will be Tesla
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Reply #13 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 7:01pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:55pm:
The Mechanic

Yes its cart before the horse business model, they are trying to commercialise a car that has failed very basic proof of concept and are running into all sorts of issues these electric car worshipping zombies don't get.
The basic concept is there they just need to address the many elephants in the room one is cost.

There are some interesting reports out there that look at what you posted in more detail plus many other issues. Apparently the build quality on them is rubbish !

Electric will be the vehicle of the future just at least a decade or 2 of sorting out the numerous issues  and not sure it will be Tesla


as with most of these green concepts...

they can't stand on their own..... mostly... but in time they will...

there's no need to SHOVE them down everyones throat...
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Reply #14 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 12:04am
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:31am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 4:28pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:37am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
..and the planet accountants all know it, they just pretend they don't!  Grin


They need another evolution in technology there are both serious technical and economic issues that need to be resolved.


Such as?


Price to start with ... Teslas cost 100-200k yet this leads to them making a loss ...... not economically sustainable. They claim 400KM out of a recharge which I assume is feathering the accelerator .... then an hour to rapid recharge (if there is one near where you run out) .... based on that most petrol cars would beat it to Sydney to QLD as it would require 2-3 recharges wasting 3 hrs !

Not against them they just need more work. The Chinese are on to it so maybe in a decade or two they will be practical.


yes, and other car manufacturers make them a lot cheaper
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