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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Judge 'unreasonable' Reply #135 - Feb 28^th, 2018 at 8:22pm Masks in a court room, it is at least questionable, have all the implications been explored.
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Re: Judge 'unreasonable'
Reply #136 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 1:42pm

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2018 at 8:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28^th, 2018 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2018 at 1:50pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2018 at 12:21pm:

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I have given the straightest answer possible. Here you go I'll quote from my previous post:I have given the straightest answer possible. Here you go I'll quote from my previous post:

A straight answer to a different question is not actually a straight answer Gandalf. Let's try again. Are you suggesting the judge is not allowed to use common sense?

Under your proposal - obviously. ie there should be a blanket ban on all face coverings. Is that any clearer?

Ah. I think that's the straightest answer yet, Muslim.

What proposal?

Are you suggesting the judge is not allowed to use common sense?

Your proposal to apply a blanket ban on all face coverings in court because they are all necessarily "intimidatory".

The judge should be allowed to apply common sense as to which face coverings are intimidatory and which are not. You don't want this - obviously. Fortunately, as it stands I believe judges still have that choice - because your idiotic proposal does not apply - yet.

OK, thanks for the explanation. Here's a question for you though. Are you claiming that the judge is not allowed to apply common sense?

Under your proposal - yes. I think I already said that.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #137 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 28^th, 2018 at 7:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27^th, 2018 at 11:03pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 27^th, 2018 at 10:12pm:

Niqabis and sharia observant Muslims generally do not insist on keeping covered in court and not standing as a fashion statement, you dill.

So, no evidence then, I take it? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. Get back to us when you discover some, Soren. Roll Eyes

You bloody lying fool:

A transcript from that civil trial tendered to court revealed when the judge asked Elzahed's lawyer why she wasn't standing, he explained she was a "strict Muslim" and "she won't stand for anyone, except Allah".
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/muslim-refused-to-stand-in-court-video/...

Judge unreasonable for barring woman from Victorian court because of niqab, Islamic Council says

Different case, Soren. Tsk, tsk, as usual, you're not paying attention to what the discussion is about. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Nothing new to see here, just Soren's usual Islamophobia. Move along, move along. Roll Eyes

It's always the same case - Islamic law and Western law are incompatible.

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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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Reply #138 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:26pm

Frank wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 28^th, 2018 at 7:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27^th, 2018 at 11:03pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 27^th, 2018 at 10:12pm:

Niqabis and sharia observant Muslims generally do not insist on keeping covered in court and not standing as a fashion statement, you dill.

So, no evidence then, I take it? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. Get back to us when you discover some, Soren. Roll Eyes

You bloody lying fool:

A transcript from that civil trial tendered to court revealed when the judge asked Elzahed's lawyer why she wasn't standing, he explained she was a "strict Muslim" and "she won't stand for anyone, except Allah".
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/muslim-refused-to-stand-in-court-video/...

Judge unreasonable for barring woman from Victorian court because of niqab, Islamic Council says

Different case, Soren. Tsk, tsk, as usual, you're not paying attention to what the discussion is about. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Nothing new to see here, just Soren's usual Islamophobia. Move along, move along. Roll Eyes

It's always the same case - Islamic law and Western law are incompatible.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Move along folks, move along. Nothing of any interest here, just Soren supplying his usual Islamophobe answer. Two completely different cases. What a shame you can't tell the difference, hey? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Judge 'unreasonable' Reply #139 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:38pm Just so everyone knows their rights, any business owner is allowed to refuse entry to their premises to anyone wearing a Burka or any other mask.
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92345 Gender:	Re: Judge 'unreasonable' Reply #140 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:03pm Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:38pm: Just so everyone knows their rights, any business owner is allowed to refuse entry to their premises to anyone wearing a Burka or any other mask. That's interesting, Matty. Do you think my local medical centre has this right? I'm curious.
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Reply #141 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:19pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:03pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:38pm:

Just so everyone knows their rights, any business owner is allowed to refuse entry to their premises to anyone wearing a Burka or any other mask.

That's interesting, Matty. Do you think my local medical centre has this right?

I'm curious.

Yes it does.

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Reply #142 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:23pm

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2018 at 8:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28^th, 2018 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2018 at 1:50pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2018 at 12:21pm:

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I have given the straightest answer possible. Here you go I'll quote from my previous post:I have given the straightest answer possible. Here you go I'll quote from my previous post:

A straight answer to a different question is not actually a straight answer Gandalf. Let's try again. Are you suggesting the judge is not allowed to use common sense?

Under your proposal - obviously. ie there should be a blanket ban on all face coverings. Is that any clearer?

Ah. I think that's the straightest answer yet, Muslim.

What proposal?

Are you suggesting the judge is not allowed to use common sense?

Your proposal to apply a blanket ban on all face coverings in court because they are all necessarily "intimidatory".

The judge should be allowed to apply common sense as to which face coverings are intimidatory and which are not. You don't want this - obviously. Fortunately, as it stands I believe judges still have that choice - because your idiotic proposal does not apply - yet.

OK, thanks for the explanation. Here's a question for you though. Are you claiming that the judge is not allowed to apply common sense?

Good question, FD. Should the judge not have the right to not be spooked? How about offended?

Just think, she would have got away with it if it wasn't for those miserable kids.

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Reply #143 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:24pm

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:19pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:03pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:38pm:

Just so everyone knows their rights, any business owner is allowed to refuse entry to their premises to anyone wearing a Burka or any other mask.

That's interesting, Matty. Do you think my local medical centre has this right?

I'm curious.

Yes it does.

Under which law, Matty?

Common sense, eh?

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Reply #144 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:28pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:24pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:19pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:03pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:38pm:

Just so everyone knows their rights, any business owner is allowed to refuse entry to their premises to anyone wearing a Burka or any other mask.

That's interesting, Matty. Do you think my local medical centre has this right?

I'm curious.

Yes it does.

Under which law, Matty?

Common sense, eh?

Their IS a law.

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Judge 'unreasonable' Reply #145 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:37pm There is a law in place.
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Reply #146 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:45pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:24pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:19pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:03pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:38pm:

Just so everyone knows their rights, any business owner is allowed to refuse entry to their premises to anyone wearing a Burka or any other mask.

That's interesting, Matty. Do you think my local medical centre has this right?

I'm curious.

Yes it does.

Under which law, Matty?

Common sense, eh?

Common sense would predict that nobody gets around in a black cloak all day every day for there entire lives.

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Reply #147 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:24pm

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:28pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:24pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:19pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:03pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:38pm:

Just so everyone knows their rights, any business owner is allowed to refuse entry to their premises to anyone wearing a Burka or any other mask.

That's interesting, Matty. Do you think my local medical centre has this right?

I'm curious.

Yes it does.

Under which law, Matty?

Common sense, eh?

Their IS a law.

Is there? I can't find it on Lawlink, Matty. Which jurisdiction?

Cheers.

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Reply #148 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:25pm

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:24pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:19pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:03pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:38pm:

Just so everyone knows their rights, any business owner is allowed to refuse entry to their premises to anyone wearing a Burka or any other mask.

That's interesting, Matty. Do you think my local medical centre has this right?

I'm curious.

Yes it does.

Under which law, Matty?

Common sense, eh?

Common sense would predict that nobody gets around in a black cloak all day every day for there entire lives.

I agree. Burqas are nonsensible. Judges, however, are there to rule on criminal actions.

Now which law bans burqa-wearers from obtaining medical attention?

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Reply #149 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:37pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:24pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:28pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:24pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:19pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:03pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:38pm: