Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 
Send Topic Print
Victorian judge bans niquab in court (Read 5963 times)
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01am
 
S'in the Herald Sun, subscriber bit:-

"Victorian Judge sensationally bans burka in his court

A Victorian supreme Court judge has stopped the niqab-wearing wife of an accused terrorist from entering his courtroom this week, saying all in his court must show their faces."


Be a link somewhere, but this is behind the Wall of Pay.

Back to top
 

niqab.jpg (14 KB | 6 )
niqab.jpg

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Bojack Horseman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 15031
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #1 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:07am
 
Which one is it that was banned, the burka or the niqab?
Back to top
 

In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14229
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #2 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:09am
 


About time the sand monkeys started to learn their place.


If they don't like the way we run our country they can always fkk off to the islamic utopia they came from.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Alinta
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1413
Melbourne
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #3 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:10am
 
Victorian Supreme Court judge sensationally bans burqas in his court
REBEKAH CAVANAGH, Herald Sun
February 7, 2018 8:45pm
Subscriber only
A VICTORIAN Supreme Court judge has sensationally banned burqas in his court.

Justice Christopher Beale stopped the niqab-wearing wife of an accused terrorist from entering his courtroom this week, saying all in his court must show their faces.

“I require anybody who comes into the court — and all are welcome — but anybody who comes into the court, for their face to be uncovered,” Justice Beale said.

The woman refused to remove her traditional garb, and sat outside.

The Herald Sun ­understands it is the first known case of a burqa ban in a Victorian court.

Premier Daniel Andrews said this morning that move showed judges and magistrates had sufficient powers to run their courts and changes flagged by the State Opposition were unnecessary.

“The decision made by that particular judge would seem to demonstrate that point,’’ he said.

“There is no need to be making further changes ... judges and magistrates have all the powers they need to run their court processes.

“I think this was done in a respectful way and as I understand it the person actually removed the item of clothing and that was seen by the court as important.”

However, Islamic leaders slammed the decision as “unreasonable” and a violation of the woman’s human rights.

The controversial Islamic veil has long troubled courts, where the dress code does not even allow people to wear sunglasses perched on their heads.


The Victorian Supreme Court dress code advises people to “dress appropriately”, adding “no hats or sunglasses”.
The Supreme Court dress code, set out on its website, advises people to “dress appropriately”, adding “no hats or sunglasses”.

But a court spokesman said judges were able to decide who entered their courts.

The woman concerned is the wife of an accused terrorist, who cannot be named for legal reasons. She did not want to remove her niqab, but instead agreed to leave the courtroom; however, she is expected to attend further hearings, which may lead to further problems.

Islamic Council of Victoria vice-president Adel Salman said: “This woman’s human rights have been violated. I think the judge’s decision is unreasonable and concerning.

“Women choose to wear it. It’s part of their faithfulness to God. To ask them to remove it is quite intrusive and, in some cases, can be traumatic.”


Islamic Council of Victoria vice-president Adel Salman says the woman’s human rights have been violated. Picture: Mark Wilson
During the man’s appearances in the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court last year his supporters, including women wearing burqas, snubbed court protocols and refused to stand when the magistrate entered the courtroom.

The state Opposition last year proposed the introduction of laws to jail or fine women wearing the burqa or niqab who refused to show their faces in court.

Opposition Leader Matthew Guy stood by that policy on Wednesday, saying it would ­ensure that disrespect shown towards judges was punished.

“If you don’t respect the court, you don’t respect the law,” Mr Guy said.

Attorney-General Martin Pakula said the Coalition’s proposal was unnecessary.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #4 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am
 

Some basic education is obviously needed here.

...

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Baronvonrort
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 10150
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #5 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:27am
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:10am:
Victorian Supreme Court judge sensationally bans burqas in his court
REBEKAH CAVANAGH, Herald Sun
February 7, 2018 8:45pm
Subscriber only
A VICTORIAN Supreme Court judge has sensationally banned burqas in his court.

Justice Christopher Beale stopped the niqab-wearing wife of an accused terrorist from entering his courtroom this week, saying all in his court must show their faces.

“I require anybody who comes into the court — and all are welcome — but anybody who comes into the court, for their face to be uncovered,” Justice Beale said.

The woman refused to remove her traditional garb, and sat outside.

The Herald Sun ­understands it is the first known case of a burqa ban in a Victorian court.

Premier Daniel Andrews said this morning that move showed judges and magistrates had sufficient powers to run their courts and changes flagged by the State Opposition were unnecessary.

“The decision made by that particular judge would seem to demonstrate that point,’’ he said.

“There is no need to be making further changes ... judges and magistrates have all the powers they need to run their court processes.

“I think this was done in a respectful way and as I understand it the person actually removed the item of clothing and that was seen by the court as important.”

However, Islamic leaders slammed the decision as “unreasonable” and a violation of the woman’s human rights.

The controversial Islamic veil has long troubled courts, where the dress code does not even allow people to wear sunglasses perched on their heads.


The Victorian Supreme Court dress code advises people to “dress appropriately”, adding “no hats or sunglasses”.
The Supreme Court dress code, set out on its website, advises people to “dress appropriately”, adding “no hats or sunglasses”.

But a court spokesman said judges were able to decide who entered their courts.

The woman concerned is the wife of an accused terrorist, who cannot be named for legal reasons. She did not want to remove her niqab, but instead agreed to leave the courtroom; however, she is expected to attend further hearings, which may lead to further problems.

Islamic Council of Victoria vice-president Adel Salman said: “This woman’s human rights have been violated. I think the judge’s decision is unreasonable and concerning.

“Women choose to wear it. It’s part of their faithfulness to God. To ask them to remove it is quite intrusive and, in some cases, can be traumatic.”


Islamic Council of Victoria vice-president Adel Salman says the woman’s human rights have been violated. Picture: Mark Wilson
During the man’s appearances in the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court last year his supporters, including women wearing burqas, snubbed court protocols and refused to stand when the magistrate entered the courtroom.

The state Opposition last year proposed the introduction of laws to jail or fine women wearing the burqa or niqab who refused to show their faces in court.

Opposition Leader Matthew Guy stood by that policy on Wednesday, saying it would ­ensure that disrespect shown towards judges was punished.

“If you don’t respect the court, you don’t respect the law,” Mr Guy said.

Attorney-General Martin Pakula said the Coalition’s proposal was unnecessary.


The Islamic council of Victoria claim her human rights have been violated, they should be more concerned about muslims on terror charges.
Back to top
 

If you speak of the harms of 1-2 centuries of European imperialism but ignore 1-2 millennia of Turk-Arab imperialism you are the problem.
 
IP Logged
 
Dr Mengele
Senior Member
****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 359
The Fourth Reich
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #6 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:30am
 
The mussies and the leftie bedwetters are going to be salty over this.  Cheesy
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14229
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #7 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #8 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38am
 
Niqab - a derivative of nicoteine, second class nicoteine used to wean smokers.

Hijab - a cultural uppercut.

Burka - a resident of the NSW Outback town of Bourke; (coll) something close to a Berserker of Nordic fame/myth.

Chador - a type of soup (eg - I'll have a bowl of lobster chador, please, waiter).

Dupatta - a form of greeting, eg that Du, Patta? (alt) asking if a person is a chatterer .........   Cool
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #9 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.





... for the people who complain about something that they know absolutely nothing about.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:42am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:27am:
The Islamic council of Victoria claim her human rights have been violated, they should be more concerned about muslims on terror charges.


Holy terrorism isn't an abuse of the victim's or intended victim's civil rights...........  don't be too hard on the ICV - they're trying their hardest to catch up with civilisation ...... new country and all and hard to forget that you don't get night and fogged here and chopped in the country square for a heap of next to nothings... jeez, here you can even approach the police to make a complaint without being arrested*..... if you're lucky....

* don't laugh - in some Islamic nations people don't go near the police for that very reason - Libya was like that before the Good Colonel bit the dust... what a shame - he was a great one for a laugh ......

Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14229
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:42am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.





... for the people who complain about something that they know absolutely nothing about.





Like how to behave when you have been allowed to live in another person's country.

Not being a filthy muslim terrorist - husband

Not being a disrespectful b1tch - wife

Yes I agree

Deportation will fix both our and their problems
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #12 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:43am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.




While they are at it they can take you Pommy bastards with them!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #13 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:46am
 
... and to think they locked some good ones up on Manus etc and told them they'd never get to come here....  Cool
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Mr Hammer
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16461
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:47am
 
Well done judge. We show our faces in court. Drop dead apologists.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #15 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:48am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:43am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:




The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.




While they are at it they can take you Pommy bastards with them!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley



That sounds like WAR (Worriers About Revolution)  talk to me....  Huh
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 17334
A cat with a view
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #16 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:48am
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:10am:

Victorian Supreme Court judge sensationally bans burqas in his court
REBEKAH CAVANAGH, Herald Sun
February 7, 2018 8:45pm
Subscriber only
A VICTORIAN Supreme Court judge has sensationally banned burqas in his court.

Justice Christopher Beale stopped the niqab-wearing wife of an accused terrorist from entering his courtroom this week, saying all in his court must show their faces.

“I require anybody who comes into the court — and all are welcome — but anybody who comes into the court, for their face to be uncovered,” Justice Beale said.



Good!

Good!

Good!

Well done Justice Christopher Beale !



.



Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:10am:

Islamic Council of Victoria vice-president Adel Salman said: “This woman’s human rights have been violated. I think the judge’s decision is unreasonable and concerning.



If that, is what Adel Salman and this moslem woman really believe, then all Australians have a serious problem !

And this is what Adel Salman and this moslem woman should do.

--------- >

As is being suggested here.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1518044474/2#2



.




Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:10am:

“If you don’t respect the court, you don’t respect the law,” Mr Guy said.



It is a given,        that all of the followers of ISLAM [who are living in Australia]
1/ don’t respect our courts and
2/ don’t respect the sanctity of Australian laws.

Dictionary;
sanctity = =
1 holiness; saintliness.
2 ultimate importance and inviolability.





Q.
'What do the followers of ISLAM [who are living in Australia] REALLY want ???




A.
ONE LAW,        ISLAMIC law,      here, in Australia.


------- >


IMAGE...
...

Abdul Nacer Ben Brika



Quote:

August 4, 2005      
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad

"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion.

It doesn't tolerate
," he said.

"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-08-04/australian-islamic-leader-defends-jihad/20...





More evidence.....

Quote:

"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...

...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.

"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone,"
Mr Hanif [said]"


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...



ARGUMENT;
Many moslems, who live among us here in Australia,
firmly believe that Australian law has no lawful authority over their lives and no lawful authority over what they are permitted to do !!!!

TRUE, 100 %


Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Gordon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19216
Gordon
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #17 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:54am
 
This is the reason muslim religious fanatics enforce these garments

Wahhabi Islam, the one we grow up learning, put women in boxes and we are the source of "evil".

http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/worldtoday/turning-point-for-women-in-saudi...
Back to top
 

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #18 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
Niqabate, perhaps?  Sure makes them mullahs smoke between the ears......
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
The Mechanic
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12414
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #19 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 11:16am
 
Wake up Australia...
Back to top
 

muzzies.jpg (41 KB | 3 )
muzzies.jpg

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
 
IP Logged
 
The Mechanic
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12414
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #20 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 11:17am
 
Trump would know what to do...
Back to top
 

hotels.jpg (142 KB | 4 )
hotels.jpg

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14229
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #21 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 11:28am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:43am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.




While they are at it they can take you Pommy bastards with them!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley



Not a pom, d1ckhead  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Fuzzball
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 3626
Australia
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #22 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 11:51am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:43am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.




While they are at it they can take you Pommy bastards with them!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley


And again the 'Cultural Cringe' pops its head up.......somewhat behind the times now Phillis.........that sh!t went out 40 years  ago.....get with it you ignorant twat .. 
Back to top
 

As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."
(RH Enoch Powell)
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #23 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:05pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 11:28am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:43am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:


But you are an ass hole and you are good at it!!!

Grin Grin Grin Grin


The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.




While they are at it they can take you Pommy bastards with them!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley



Not a pom, d1ckhead  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #24 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:06pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 11:51am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:43am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.




While they are at it they can take you Pommy bastards with them!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley


And again the 'Cultural Cringe' pops its head up.......somewhat behind the times now Phillis.........that sh!t went out 40 years  ago.....get with it you ignorant twat .. 


Who asked you low life....Sticking up for your dickhead mates as usual....Get a room???

Huh Huh Huh
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14229
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #25 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:13pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:05pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 11:28am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:43am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:


But you are an ass hole and you are good at it!!!

Grin Grin Grin Grin


The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.




While they are at it they can take you Pommy bastards with them!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley



Not a pom, d1ckhead  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin





Another stinging rebuke from the class clown.  Grin Grin

If you keep that up I might have to change the way I treat you genius socialists.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #26 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:16pm
 
Terminate Muslim Immigration NOW!  No means NO!!
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1331
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #27 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:35pm
 
Good.
Now rhey need Cry to ban it in pubkic.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #28 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:44pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Good.
Now rhey need Cry to ban it in pubkic.


For what reason?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Gordon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19216
Gordon
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #29 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:46pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:16pm:
Terminate Muslim Immigration NOW!  No means NO!!


Who the bloody hell thought this was a good edition to Australia?
...
Back to top
 

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #30 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:59pm
 
This could and should set a precedent for every court of law in this land, no ifs no buts just bugger off with your sacks worn over your heads, in fact just bugger off.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 33293
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #31 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 1:15pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:27am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:10am:
Victorian Supreme Court judge sensationally bans burqas in his court
REBEKAH CAVANAGH, Herald Sun
February 7, 2018 8:45pm
Subscriber only
A VICTORIAN Supreme Court judge has sensationally banned burqas in his court.

Justice Christopher Beale stopped the niqab-wearing wife of an accused terrorist from entering his courtroom this week, saying all in his court must show their faces.

“I require anybody who comes into the court — and all are welcome — but anybody who comes into the court, for their face to be uncovered,” Justice Beale said.

The woman refused to remove her traditional garb, and sat outside.

The Herald Sun ­understands it is the first known case of a burqa ban in a Victorian court.

Premier Daniel Andrews said this morning that move showed judges and magistrates had sufficient powers to run their courts and changes flagged by the State Opposition were unnecessary.

“The decision made by that particular judge would seem to demonstrate that point,’’ he said.

“There is no need to be making further changes ... judges and magistrates have all the powers they need to run their court processes.

“I think this was done in a respectful way and as I understand it the person actually removed the item of clothing and that was seen by the court as important.”

However, Islamic leaders slammed the decision as “unreasonable” and a violation of the woman’s human rights.

The controversial Islamic veil has long troubled courts, where the dress code does not even allow people to wear sunglasses perched on their heads.


The Victorian Supreme Court dress code advises people to “dress appropriately”, adding “no hats or sunglasses”.
The Supreme Court dress code, set out on its website, advises people to “dress appropriately”, adding “no hats or sunglasses”.

But a court spokesman said judges were able to decide who entered their courts.

The woman concerned is the wife of an accused terrorist, who cannot be named for legal reasons. She did not want to remove her niqab, but instead agreed to leave the courtroom; however, she is expected to attend further hearings, which may lead to further problems.

Islamic Council of Victoria vice-president Adel Salman said: “This woman’s human rights have been violated. I think the judge’s decision is unreasonable and concerning.

“Women choose to wear it. It’s part of their faithfulness to God. To ask them to remove it is quite intrusive and, in some cases, can be traumatic.”


Islamic Council of Victoria vice-president Adel Salman says the woman’s human rights have been violated. Picture: Mark Wilson
During the man’s appearances in the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court last year his supporters, including women wearing burqas, snubbed court protocols and refused to stand when the magistrate entered the courtroom.

The state Opposition last year proposed the introduction of laws to jail or fine women wearing the burqa or niqab who refused to show their faces in court.

Opposition Leader Matthew Guy stood by that policy on Wednesday, saying it would ­ensure that disrespect shown towards judges was punished.

“If you don’t respect the court, you don’t respect the law,” Mr Guy said.

Attorney-General Martin Pakula said the Coalition’s proposal was unnecessary.


The Islamic council of Victoria claim her human rights have been violated, they should be more concerned about muslims on terror charges.



islam is a death cult
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #32 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 2:32pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:16pm:
Terminate Muslim Immigration NOW!  No means NO!!


Who the bloody hell thought this was a good edition to Australia?
http://www.islammonitor.org/uploads/pics/benbrika.jpg


I'd better grow a beard or he might get lustful thoughts.........
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #33 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 2:39pm
 
**sighs** another strand on the subject of Musselonians bites the slow button at General Command HQ .....

"I thought for a minute there I saw her whipped. Maybe I did. But I see now that it don't make any difference.... To beat her you don't have to whip her two out of three or three out of five, but every time you meet. As soon as you let down your guard, as soon as you lose once, she's won for good. And eventually we all got to lose. Nobody can help that."

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Chief Bromden, on Nurse Ratched, as patients see McMurphy dominating the meeting, Part 1.
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #34 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 3:59pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:47am:
Well done judge. We show our faces in court. Drop dead apologists.



You wouldn't be allowed to wear a motorcycle helmet in court
so this is not surprising.
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14229
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #35 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 4:16pm
 
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 3:59pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:47am:
Well done judge. We show our faces in court. Drop dead apologists.



You wouldn't be allowed to wear a motorcycle helmet in court
so this is not surprising.



Well it is considering being labelled an islamophobe is something all grub socialists are absolutely terrified of.

To exercise the law instead of being a gutless apologist for terrorists and their wives is pretty unusual indeed.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Gordon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19216
Gordon
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #36 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 4:19pm
 
Stoopid retarded muzzos.

Back to top
 

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #37 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 4:20pm
 
Judge is being a prima donna.  The woman could not have accessed the Court Building without being scanned for weapons like we all are.  That woman was no security risk, so what was his point?
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Valkie
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 5494
Central Coast
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #38 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 6:46pm
 
Funny
The APOLOGIST, sympathiser,  sychopant islamaphiles go ape when we enforce our countries rules and laws.

And yet in sandmonkeyland (love that term) we are expected to abide by their primitive laws and rules.

Do you sand monkey lovers (love it) realize the hypocrisy in that argument.

We must bow down to the sand monkeys🤣 in their land
And yet
The sand monkeys🤣 don't need to abide by our laws.

Please explain?

I seriously want to know how you justify this stand
Back to top
 

I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #39 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 6:51pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Funny
The APOLOGIST, sympathiser,  sychopant islamaphiles go ape when we enforce our countries rules and laws.

And yet in sandmonkeyland (love that term) we are expected to abide by their primitive laws and rules.

Do you sand monkey lovers (love it) realize the hypocrisy in that argument.

We must bow down to the sand monkeys🤣 in their land
And yet
The sand monkeys🤣 don't need to abide by our laws.

Please explain?

I seriously want to know how you justify this stand


What Laws are you referring to?
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #40 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:19pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Funny
The APOLOGIST, sympathiser,  sychopant islamaphiles go ape when we enforce our countries rules and laws.

And yet in sandmonkeyland (love that term) we are expected to abide by their primitive laws and rules.

Do you sand monkey lovers (love it) realize the hypocrisy in that argument.

We must bow down to the sand monkeys🤣 in their land
And yet
The sand monkeys🤣 don't need to abide by our laws.

Please explain?

I seriously want to know how you justify this stand


What Laws are you referring to?



The law that:

thou shall follow the directions of a judge in his court.
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #41 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:28pm
 
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Funny
The APOLOGIST, sympathiser,  sychopant islamaphiles go ape when we enforce our countries rules and laws.

And yet in sandmonkeyland (love that term) we are expected to abide by their primitive laws and rules.

Do you sand monkey lovers (love it) realize the hypocrisy in that argument.

We must bow down to the sand monkeys🤣 in their land
And yet
The sand monkeys🤣 don't need to abide by our laws.

Please explain?

I seriously want to know how you justify this stand


What Laws are you referring to?



The law that:

thou shall follow the directions of a judge in his court.


So, if the Judge tells you to take your pants  and underpants off, you'd do it?
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #42 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:29pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Funny
The APOLOGIST, sympathiser,  sychopant islamaphiles go ape when we enforce our countries rules and laws.

And yet in sandmonkeyland (love that term) we are expected to abide by their primitive laws and rules.

Do you sand monkey lovers (love it) realize the hypocrisy in that argument.

We must bow down to the sand monkeys🤣 in their land
And yet
The sand monkeys🤣 don't need to abide by our laws.

Please explain?

I seriously want to know how you justify this stand


What Laws are you referring to?



The law that:

thou shall follow the directions of a judge in his court.


So, if the Judge tells you to take your pants  and underpants off, you'd do it?



Reasonable directions Aussie -
strawman arguments don't work on one such as me.
Don't take such ungranted liberties in future.
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #43 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:31pm
 
How about if he tells you to take your shirt off?
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #44 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:40pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:31pm:
How about if he tells you to take your shirt off?



If it was claimed that an attacker had a giant tattoo of a skull and cross bones on their chest
then it would be acceptable to take ones shirt off to prove that it wasn't you.
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #45 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:47pm
 
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:40pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:31pm:
How about if he tells you to take your shirt off?



If it was claimed that an attacker had a giant tattoo of a skull and cross bones on their chest
then it would be acceptable to take ones shirt off to prove that it wasn't you.


No Bobby....you are just part of the public gallery in the Court, and the Judge tells you to take your shirt off.  Will you?
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1331
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #46 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:51pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Good.
Now rhey need Cry to ban it in pubkic.


For what reason?



Because it offends me.  Wink
It makes me feel uncomfortable when they are near me.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 26177
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #47 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:53pm
 
...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #48 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:10pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:47pm:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:40pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:31pm:
How about if he tells you to take your shirt off?



If it was claimed that an attacker had a giant tattoo of a skull and cross bones on their chest
then it would be acceptable to take ones shirt off to prove that it wasn't you.


No Bobby....you are just part of the public gallery in the Court, and the Judge tells you to take your shirt off.  Will you?



If there was a valid reason - I can't think of any - can you?
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #49 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:24pm
 
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:10pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:47pm:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:40pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:31pm:
How about if he tells you to take your shirt off?



If it was claimed that an attacker had a giant tattoo of a skull and cross bones on their chest
then it would be acceptable to take ones shirt off to prove that it wasn't you.


No Bobby....you are just part of the public gallery in the Court, and the Judge tells you to take your shirt off.  Will you?



If there was a valid reason - I can't think of any - can you?



It's not up to you Bobby. You said so.  His Court, you said, do what he directs, yes?
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #50 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:27pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:13pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:05pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 11:28am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:43am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:


But you are an ass hole and you are good at it!!!

Grin Grin Grin Grin


The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.




While they are at it they can take you Pommy bastards with them!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley



Not a pom, d1ckhead  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin





Another stinging rebuke from the class clown.  Grin Grin

If you keep that up I might have to change the way I treat you genius socialists.




Thank's for the compliment but I am not a socialist!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley

Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Elbert Hubbard (1856 - 1915)
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #51 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:42pm
 
I don't understand why a judge who is supposed to be impartial would take offence to any cultural dress standard....He is trying a Muslim and having family members wearing Islamic dress would be a given....I think the judge is showing bias against the defendant here???

Huh Huh Huh
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Gordon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19216
Gordon
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #52 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:44pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
I don't understand why a judge who is supposed to be impartial would take offence to any cultural dress standard....He is trying a Muslim and having family members wearing Islamic dress would be a given....I think the judge is showing bias against the defendant here???

Huh Huh Huh


Yeah screw her. It's the dress code of the most extreme sect of Islam.
Back to top
 

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #53 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:48pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:10pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:47pm:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:40pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 7:31pm:
How about if he tells you to take your shirt off?



If it was claimed that an attacker had a giant tattoo of a skull and cross bones on their chest
then it would be acceptable to take ones shirt off to prove that it wasn't you.


No Bobby....you are just part of the public gallery in the Court, and the Judge tells you to take your shirt off.  Will you?



If there was a valid reason - I can't think of any - can you?



It's not up to you Bobby. You said so.  His Court, you said, do what he directs, yes?




Aussie,
Now you're being disingenuous.
You know very well that a judge would only make a reasonable request.

example - take off that motorcycle helmet in my court.

The judge is not going to ask you to bare your bum or wave your willy around.
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #54 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm
 
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Gordon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19216
Gordon
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #55 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:53pm
 
What's all this talk by Aussie about nudity in the court room?

Is this the kind of hijinx he got up to back in the day? Makes strawberry picking look tame.

This thread belongs in Extremism Exposed Wink
Back to top
 

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #56 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:59pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


Like Rick Rude?

jump to 0:22


Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #57 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:00pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
I don't understand why a judge who is supposed to be impartial would take offence to any cultural dress standard....He is trying a Muslim and having family members wearing Islamic dress would be a given....I think the judge is showing bias against the defendant here???

Huh Huh Huh


Yeah screw her. It's the dress code of the most extreme sect of Islam.


That is also a conclusion the judge has made....The question is should the Judge, judge those not on trial....The last time I checked wearing a hijab ect....in Australia is not illegal....The judge is showing extreme prejudice IMO!!!

Huh Huh Huh

Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #58 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


How about you and Bobby get a room Aussie???

Wink Wink Wink
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Gordon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19216
Gordon
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #59 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:02pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
I don't understand why a judge who is supposed to be impartial would take offence to any cultural dress standard....He is trying a Muslim and having family members wearing Islamic dress would be a given....I think the judge is showing bias against the defendant here???

Huh Huh Huh


Yeah screw her. It's the dress code of the most extreme sect of Islam.


That is also a conclusion the judge has made....The question is should the Judge, judge those not on trial....The last time I checked wearing a hijab ect....in Australia is not illegal....The judge is showing extreme prejudice IMO!!!

Huh Huh Huh



He didn't ping her for wearing a hijab. I'd actually be on her side for that. A Niquab is a whole different kettle of fish from a hijab.
Back to top
 

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #60 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


How about you and Bobby get a room Aussie???

Wink Wink Wink



Aussie is being very poofy tonight.  Embarrassed
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #61 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


Like Rick Rude?

jump to 0:22


Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Gordon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19216
Gordon
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #62 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


How about you and Bobby get a room Aussie???

Wink Wink Wink



Aussie and Bobby sitting in a tree....YUCK

...
Back to top
 

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
IP Logged
 
Gordon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19216
Gordon
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #63 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:06pm
 
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


How about you and Bobby get a room Aussie???

Wink Wink Wink



Aussie is being very poofy tonight.  Embarrassed


Ask him if he's in the mood for picking strawberries. If he is, don't bend over in front of him.
Back to top
 

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #64 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:06pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


How about you and Bobby get a room Aussie???

Wink Wink Wink



Aussie and Bobby sitting in a tree....YUCK





Aussie just had one too many drinks tonight.
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Gordon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19216
Gordon
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #65 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:07pm
 
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


How about you and Bobby get a room Aussie???

Wink Wink Wink



Aussie and Bobby sitting in a tree....YUCK





Aussie just had one too many drinks tonight.


Reckon Whisky makes him frisky?
Back to top
 

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #66 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:08pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


How about you and Bobby get a room Aussie???

Wink Wink Wink



Aussie and Bobby sitting in a tree....YUCK





Aussie just had one too many drinks tonight.


Reckon Whisky makes him frisky?



I think he's on the cooking sherry.   Grin
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #67 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:09pm
 
So....if the Judge tells you to, Bobby, as a mere member in the public gallery of his Court ~ to take your shirt off, would you?

Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #68 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:11pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:09pm:
So....if the Judge tells you to, Bobby, as a mere member in the public gallery of his Court ~ to take your shirt off, would you?



Sure I would:


Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Gordon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19216
Gordon
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #69 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm
 
Here ya go, hope this calms yer farm.
...
Back to top
 

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
IP Logged
 
AnotherJourneyByTrain
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6845
waggawagga
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #70 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:13pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:09am:
About time the sand monkeys started to learn their place.


If they don't like the way we run our country they can always fkk off to the islamic utopia they came from.


I 100% agree!
Back to top
 

......Australia has an illegitimate Government!
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #71 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:16pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
I don't understand why a judge who is supposed to be impartial would take offence to any cultural dress standard....He is trying a Muslim and having family members wearing Islamic dress would be a given....I think the judge is showing bias against the defendant here???

Huh Huh Huh


Yeah screw her. It's the dress code of the most extreme sect of Islam.


That is also a conclusion the judge has made....The question is should the Judge, judge those not on trial....The last time I checked wearing a hijab ect....in Australia is not illegal....The judge is showing extreme prejudice IMO!!!

Huh Huh Huh



He didn't ping her for wearing a hijab. I'd actually be on her side for that. A Niquab is a whole different kettle of fish from a hijab.


I had no idea, nor do I care....If a minority is on trial his relatives will wear all sorts of cultural dress that do not conform to certain norms or religious garb....My point is I see no reason to exclude someone for wearing a Niquab....The judge is making a negative judgement on a member of the gallery (who happens to be the defendants wife) which is prejudice against the defendant....I am not surprised the Islamic council was outraged!!!

Huh Huh Huh

When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free.
Charles Evans Hughes, Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, June 17, 1925
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #72 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:16pm
 
Quote:
Sure I would:


What if he told you to come up to him and get him a cup of tea?
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #73 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:17pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:



dear Gordon - that picture is very gay.  Embarrassed
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Mr Hammer
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16461
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #74 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:27pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
I don't understand why a judge who is supposed to be impartial would take offence to any cultural dress standard....He is trying a Muslim and having family members wearing Islamic dress would be a given....I think the judge is showing bias against the defendant here???

Huh Huh Huh


Yeah screw her. It's the dress code of the most extreme sect of Islam.


That is also a conclusion the judge has made....The question is should the Judge, judge those not on trial....The last time I checked wearing a hijab ect....in Australia is not illegal....The judge is showing extreme prejudice IMO!!!

Huh Huh Huh



He didn't ping her for wearing a hijab. I'd actually be on her side for that. A Niquab is a whole different kettle of fish from a hijab.


I had no idea, nor do I care....If a minority is on trial his relatives will wear all sorts of cultural dress that do not conform to certain norms or religious garb....My point is I see no reason to exclude someone for wearing a Niquab....The judge is making a negative judgement on a member of the gallery (who happens to be the defendants wife) which is prejudice against the defendant....I am not surprised the Islamic council was outraged!!!

Huh Huh Huh

When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free.
Charles Evans Hughes, Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, June 17, 1925

It could interfere with questioning. The courts get a lot from facial expressions during questioning. It may also hinder interactions between her and court staff. It's an advantage to not have your face seen.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #75 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:30pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Quote:
Sure I would:


What if he told you to come up to him and get him a cup of tea?



What if he told you to stop drinking sherry in his court room?
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Gordon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 19216
Gordon
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #76 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:30pm
 
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:



dear Gordon - that picture is very gay.  Embarrassed


Fancy a fellow mod, one of our peers requesting one of us to get naked. I'm just giving him what he obviously needs.
Back to top
 

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #77 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:



dear Gordon - that picture is very gay.  Embarrassed


Fancy a fellow mod, one of our peers requesting one of us to get naked. I'm just giving him what he obviously needs.



You've got to wonder about Aussie -

he's a little bit weird.
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
AnotherJourneyByTrain
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6845
waggawagga
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #78 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:46pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
I don't understand why a judge who is supposed to be impartial would take offence to any cultural dress standard....He is trying a Muslim and having family members wearing Islamic dress would be a given....I think the judge is showing bias against the defendant here???

Huh Huh Huh


Yeah screw her. It's the dress code of the most extreme sect of Islam.


That is also a conclusion the judge has made....The question is should the Judge, judge those not on trial....The last time I checked wearing a hijab ect....in Australia is not illegal....The judge is showing extreme prejudice IMO!!!

Huh Huh Huh



He didn't ping her for wearing a hijab. I'd actually be on her side for that. A Niquab is a whole different kettle of fish from a hijab.


I had no idea, nor do I care....If a minority is on trial his relatives will wear all sorts of cultural dress that do not conform to certain norms or religious garb....My point is I see no reason to exclude someone for wearing a Niquab....The judge is making a negative judgement on a member of the gallery (who happens to be the defendants wife) which is prejudice against the defendant....I am not surprised the Islamic council was outraged!!!

Huh Huh Huh

When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free.
Charles Evans Hughes, Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, June 17, 1925

It could interfere with questioning. The courts get a lot from facial expressions during questioning. It may also hinder interactions between her and court staff. It's an advantage to not have your face seen.

I agree!
Back to top
 

......Australia has an illegitimate Government!
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #79 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:46pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
I don't understand why a judge who is supposed to be impartial would take offence to any cultural dress standard....He is trying a Muslim and having family members wearing Islamic dress would be a given....I think the judge is showing bias against the defendant here???

Huh Huh Huh


Yeah screw her. It's the dress code of the most extreme sect of Islam.


That is also a conclusion the judge has made....The question is should the Judge, judge those not on trial....The last time I checked wearing a hijab ect....in Australia is not illegal....The judge is showing extreme prejudice IMO!!!

Huh Huh Huh



He didn't ping her for wearing a hijab. I'd actually be on her side for that. A Niquab is a whole different kettle of fish from a hijab.


I had no idea, nor do I care....If a minority is on trial his relatives will wear all sorts of cultural dress that do not conform to certain norms or religious garb....My point is I see no reason to exclude someone for wearing a Niquab....The judge is making a negative judgement on a member of the gallery (who happens to be the defendants wife) which is prejudice against the defendant....I am not surprised the Islamic council was outraged!!!

Huh Huh Huh

When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free.
Charles Evans Hughes, Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, June 17, 1925

It could interfere with questioning. The courts get a lot from facial expressions during questioning. It may also hinder interactions between her and court staff. It's an advantage to not have your face seen.


I can understand that reasoning if she was a witness....However I believe she was only a member of a very limited public gallery....The right to religious freedom is a right in any democracy unfortunately in some cases....You cannot punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty???

Huh Huh Huh

Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful.
Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Alinta
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1413
Melbourne
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #80 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:47pm
 
"It could interfere with questioning. The courts get a lot from facial expressions during questioning. It may also hinder interactions between her and court staff. It's an advantage to not have your face seen."

If she was giving evidence, I hear what you are saying Hammer......she was not a witness...just wanted to sit in the public area and observe proceedings during her husband's trial.

Anyway, the Judge made the call as he saw fit...his right to do so. 

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
AnotherJourneyByTrain
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6845
waggawagga
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #81 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:47pm
 
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:



dear Gordon - that picture is very gay.  Embarrassed


Fancy a fellow mod, one of our peers requesting one of us to get naked. I'm just giving him what he obviously needs.



You've got to wonder about Aussie -

he's a little bit weird.

You're the weirdo, weirdo!  Wink
Back to top
 

......Australia has an illegitimate Government!
 
IP Logged
 
AnotherJourneyByTrain
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6845
waggawagga
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #82 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:48pm
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
"It could interfere with questioning. The courts get a lot from facial expressions during questioning. It may also hinder interactions between her and court staff. It's an advantage to not have your face seen."

If she was giving evidence, I hear what you are saying Hammer......she was not a witness...just wanted to sit in the public area and observe proceedings during her husband's trial.

Anyway, the Judge made the call as he saw fit...his right to do so. 


As the judge sees fit: good comment!
Back to top
 

......Australia has an illegitimate Government!
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #83 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:52pm
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
"It could interfere with questioning. The courts get a lot from facial expressions during questioning. It may also hinder interactions between her and court staff. It's an advantage to not have your face seen."

If she was giving evidence, I hear what you are saying Hammer......she was not a witness...just wanted to sit in the public area and observe proceedings during her husband's trial.

Anyway, the Judge made the call as he saw fit...his right to do so. 



She was not a witness???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #84 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:55pm
 
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


How about you and Bobby get a room Aussie???

Wink Wink Wink



Aussie is being very poofy tonight.  Embarrassed


Na....I think he is trying to make a point....The woman would not remove her garment and decided she would prefer the judge would get f@#ked....It is her right to do so when the judge is an ass!!!

Cool Cool Cool
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Alinta
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1413
Melbourne
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #85 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:12pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
"It could interfere with questioning. The courts get a lot from facial expressions during questioning. It may also hinder interactions between her and court staff. It's an advantage to not have your face seen."

If she was giving evidence, I hear what you are saying Hammer......she was not a witness...just wanted to sit in the public area and observe proceedings during her husband's trial.

Anyway, the Judge made the call as he saw fit...his right to do so. 



She was not a witness???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


On this occasion she was not a witness in court to give evidence.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #86 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:16pm
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:12pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
"It could interfere with questioning. The courts get a lot from facial expressions during questioning. It may also hinder interactions between her and court staff. It's an advantage to not have your face seen."

If she was giving evidence, I hear what you are saying Hammer......she was not a witness...just wanted to sit in the public area and observe proceedings during her husband's trial.

Anyway, the Judge made the call as he saw fit...his right to do so. 



She was not a witness???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


On this occasion she was not a witness in court to give evidence.


Ok....So what is your point???

Huh Huh Huh
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Alinta
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1413
Melbourne
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #87 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm
 
Simply answered your question Phil...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #88 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 51287
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #89 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:42pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


How about you and Bobby get a room Aussie???

Wink Wink Wink



Aussie is being very poofy tonight.  Embarrassed


Na....I think he is trying to make a point....The woman would not remove her garment and decided she would prefer the judge would get f@#ked....It is her right to do so when the judge is an ass!!!

Cool Cool Cool



He calls himself a lawyer but has no respect for judges - go figure?
Back to top
 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan   रति
 
IP Logged
 
Valkie
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 5494
Central Coast
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #90 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am
 
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.

There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.
Back to top
 

I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1331
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #91 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:29am
 
Just remove the head covering and show some respect to THIS countries court.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #92 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:22am
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am:
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.


There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.


No there's not.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #93 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:29am
 
Judges also are alleged to see the face in order to 'read' responses.... not that they do in many cases, but still.

For example, if the multi-murderer brazenly says he was not there, but was at home with the missus, and her face shows that he is lying and she's terrified of being caught out in a lie and involved herself ........ it's a subjective thing, I know, and many people who are shy, illiterate, inarticulate, etc have been 'convicted' on appearances, even by juries who should know better but often don't ... but in the right hands the theory is sound.

After all - the Titanic proved that the theory of cruise ships was sound..... just a little glitch to learn from...... what's a bug or two in the system?
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #94 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:30am
 
Greg may wear his full motor cycle helmet next time he enters the court and keep it on....
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #95 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:17am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:22am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am:
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.


There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.


No there's not.



You are correct Greg....The ignorance of some people is supported by fallacies (lies) and misunderstanding (blind hatred)....If the dickhead had anything to support his pathetic argument he would post it....He won't because he doesn't!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley

It is better to confess ignorance than provide it.
Homer Hickam, The Coalwood Way
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #96 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:28am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:30am:
Greg may wear his full motor cycle helmet next time he enters the court and keep it on....


Completely irreverent and deliberately posted to deceive....A motor bike helmet is worn to protect someone from an accident not as a fashion accessory....The niquab is worn for cultural and religious reasons and is not illegal in this country despite Pauline Hanson wearing one in the Australian Parliament it was not deemed unlawful....Freedom has it's inconveniences but would you prefer to live in a society without it???

Huh Huh Huh
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #97 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:29am:
Judges also are alleged to see the face in order to 'read' responses.... not that they do in many cases, but still.

For example, if the multi-murderer brazenly says he was not there, but was at home with the missus, and her face shows that he is lying and she's terrified of being caught out in a lie and involved herself ........ it's a subjective thing, I know, and many people who are shy, illiterate, inarticulate, etc have been 'convicted' on appearances, even by juries who should know better but often don't ... but in the right hands the theory is sound.

After all - the Titanic proved that the theory of cruise ships was sound..... just a little glitch to learn from...... what's a bug or two in the system?


You are confusing an investigation or interrogation with what happens in a court of law....The only think a judge or jury would consider is what evidence is presented not the reactions of the public gallery (think why that is the case)....If the woman in question was required to testify she would be required to remove her face coverings or be found in contempt....The jury would be instructed to draw no inference from people in the public gallery!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #98 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:27am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:30am:
Greg may wear his full motor cycle helmet next time he enters the court and keep it on....


The claim was: "There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts."

There's not, though.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1331
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #99 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:54am
 
Who cares.
Take the fkkn thing off and show some respect.

Its an offensive head garment in western culture.
It's not a fashion accessory, it's imposed on women through sharia. If they don't wear it they're flogged.

We banned the hoodie so I can't see why we can't ban the niqab.

Now....if they don't like it they can pack their bags and piss off, oh and they can take a luvie with them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #100 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:58am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:54am:
Who cares.
Take the fkkn thing off and show some respect.

Its an offensive head garment in western culture.
It's not a fashion accessory, it's imposed on women through sharia. If they don't wear it they're flogged.

We banned the hoodie so I can't see why we can't ban the niqab.

Now....if they don't like it they can pack their bags and piss off, oh and they can take a luvie with them.


Yet you show no respect towards their beliefs and customs....Freedom has it's problems but we are better off with it than without it!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1331
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #101 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:20am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:54am:
Who cares.
Take the fkkn thing off and show some respect.

Its an offensive head garment in western culture.
It's not a fashion accessory, it's imposed on women through sharia. If they don't wear it they're flogged.

We banned the hoodie so I can't see why we can't ban the niqab.

Now....if they don't like it they can pack their bags and piss off, oh and they can take a luvie with them.


Yet you show no respect towards their beliefs and customs....Freedom has it's problems but we are better off with it than without it!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I don't have too. The headdress offends me. This is my country and they can respect me.
If I was in their country, I would respect their way of life.


It is not a custom of theirs. It is a mandatory item for women enforced by sharia. You do understand that dont you?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #102 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:35am
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am:
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.


There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.


...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #103 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:42am
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am:
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.

There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.


...

Burns victim Dana Vulin arrives at Court for the sentencing of Natalie Dimitrovska.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Baronvonrort
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 10150
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #104 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:43am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:54am:
Who cares.
Take the fkkn thing off and show some respect.

Its an offensive head garment in western culture.
It's not a fashion accessory, it's imposed on women through sharia. If they don't wear it they're flogged.

We banned the hoodie so I can't see why we can't ban the niqab.

Now....if they don't like it they can pack their bags and piss off, oh and they can take a luvie with them.


Yet you show no respect towards their beliefs and customs....Freedom has it's problems but we are better off with it than without it!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Only the morally bankrupt lefties support a belief like Islam which has the death penalty for homosexuals and atheists, Mundine is a convert to Islam he supports capital punishment for homosexuals it's like silence of the lambs when muslims call for death to poofters.

Why do the lefties put support for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity?
Back to top
 

If you speak of the harms of 1-2 centuries of European imperialism but ignore 1-2 millennia of Turk-Arab imperialism you are the problem.
 
IP Logged
 
Secret Wars
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3008
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #105 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:43am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am:
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.

There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5017466-3x2-340x227.jpg

Burns victim Dana Vulin arrives at Court for the sentencing of Natalie Dimitrovska.



Your attempts at equivalency are getting more and more moronic and desperate.

You know how to google images, you have yet to learn how to think.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #106 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:48am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:43am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:54am:
Who cares.
Take the fkkn thing off and show some respect.

Its an offensive head garment in western culture.
It's not a fashion accessory, it's imposed on women through sharia. If they don't wear it they're flogged.

We banned the hoodie so I can't see why we can't ban the niqab.

Now....if they don't like it they can pack their bags and piss off, oh and they can take a luvie with them.


Yet you show no respect towards their beliefs and customs....Freedom has it's problems but we are better off with it than without it!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Only the morally bankrupt lefties support a belief like Islam which has the death penalty for homosexuals and atheists, Mundine is a convert to Islam he supports capital punishment for homosexuals it's like silence of the lambs when muslims call for death to poofters.

Why do the lefties put support for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity?


I do not support any religion....However I respect people's right to worship which ever god they choose peacefully....There is no death penalty in Australia for any crime so your point is mute!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #107 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52am
 
Secret Wars wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:43am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am:
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.

There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5017466-3x2-340x227.jpg

Burns victim Dana Vulin arrives at Court for the sentencing of Natalie Dimitrovska.



Your attempts at equivalency are getting more and more moronic and desperate.

You know how to google images, you have yet to learn how to think.



"There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts."

No, there is not.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #108 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:57am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:43am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:54am:
Who cares.
Take the fkkn thing off and show some respect.

Its an offensive head garment in western culture.
It's not a fashion accessory, it's imposed on women through sharia. If they don't wear it they're flogged.

We banned the hoodie so I can't see why we can't ban the niqab.

Now....if they don't like it they can pack their bags and piss off, oh and they can take a luvie with them.


Yet you show no respect towards their beliefs and customs....Freedom has it's problems but we are better off with it than without it!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Only the morally bankrupt lefties support a belief like Islam which has the death penalty for homosexuals and atheists, Mundine is a convert to Islam he supports capital punishment for homosexuals it's like silence of the lambs when muslims call for death to poofters.

Why do the lefties put support for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity?



Wrong, once again.

I, for example, have always opposed capital punishment in all circumstances.

I've certainly not been silent about it.

Booby, on the other hand, not only supports capital punishment, but he also supports illegal hangings in the street.

Tsk tsk   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Secret Wars
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3008
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #109 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:00am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52am:
Secret Wars wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:43am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am:
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.

There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5017466-3x2-340x227.jpg

Burns victim Dana Vulin arrives at Court for the sentencing of Natalie Dimitrovska.



Your attempts at equivalency are getting more and more moronic and desperate.

You know how to google images, you have yet to learn how to think.



"There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts."

No, there is not.



I didn't say there was.  What I did point out, was that your attempt at a riposte was more moronic than your usual moronic attempts at equivalency.  If instead of trying to break forum records for being the most prolific troll and pest you should think more and post less.

And step outside into the fresh air once in a while and look at something other than a screen.  Smiley
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Baronvonrort
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 10150
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #110 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:02am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:57am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:43am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:54am:
Who cares.
Take the fkkn thing off and show some respect.

Its an offensive head garment in western culture.
It's not a fashion accessory, it's imposed on women through sharia. If they don't wear it they're flogged.

We banned the hoodie so I can't see why we can't ban the niqab.

Now....if they don't like it they can pack their bags and piss off, oh and they can take a luvie with them.


Yet you show no respect towards their beliefs and customs....Freedom has it's problems but we are better off with it than without it!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Only the morally bankrupt lefties support a belief like Islam which has the death penalty for homosexuals and atheists, Mundine is a convert to Islam he supports capital punishment for homosexuals it's like silence of the lambs when muslims call for death to poofters.

Why do the lefties put support for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity?



Wrong, once again.

I, for example, have always opposed capital punishment in all circumstances.

I've certainly not been silent about it.

Booby, on the other hand, not only supports capital punishment, but he also supports illegal hangings in the street.

Tsk tsk   Roll Eyes

Back to top
 

If you speak of the harms of 1-2 centuries of European imperialism but ignore 1-2 millennia of Turk-Arab imperialism you are the problem.
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #111 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:05am
 
Secret Wars wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52am:
Secret Wars wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:43am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am:
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.

There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5017466-3x2-340x227.jpg

Burns victim Dana Vulin arrives at Court for the sentencing of Natalie Dimitrovska.



Your attempts at equivalency are getting more and more moronic and desperate.

You know how to google images, you have yet to learn how to think.



"There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts."

No, there is not.



I didn't say there was.  What I did point out, was that your attempt at a riposte was more moronic than your usual moronic attempts at equivalency.  If instead of trying to break forum records for being the most prolific troll and pest you should think more and post less.

And step outside into the fresh air once in a while and look at something other than a screen.  Smiley


You need to engage your brain.

Ban all face coverings from court, and that poor woman would not be allowed to attend.

Is that what you want?


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Secret Wars
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3008
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #112 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:17am
 
There is no right or wrong answer which is why this debate is so vexing as it touches on religion, despite apologists saying niquabs have got nothing to do wiv religion, on culture, which raises the question are all aspects of a culture worth protecting and encouraging, and freedom to wear what you want, despite that freedom not being absolute anyway.

For the greater good, in Australia, I would ban wearing a niquab in public spaces. Hijabs, fine. I see nothing wrong with a country like Australia declaring that women should be treated equally and demonstrating that by not condoning clothing that is a symbol and outcome of patriarchal and inequal society. 

Of course, some women will declare themselves to be bent out of shape taking away the freedom to dress in a sack and be hidden.  Other women and women unborn will rejoice in a declaration of female equality.  God knows the sisters in Iran would.

Not everything diverse needs to be celebrated, we have the right to impose to steer the country in a direction which is toward equality.   

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Alinta
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1413
Melbourne
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #113 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 26177
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #114 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:30am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am:
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.

There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5017466-3x2-340x227.jpg

Burns victim Dana Vulin arrives at Court for the sentencing of Natalie Dimitrovska.



Well well well  who'd have thunk you'd turn up being an absolute idiot. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
You need to seek professional help gweggy. Roll Eyes
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #115 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:30am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am:
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.

There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5017466-3x2-340x227.jpg

Burns victim Dana Vulin arrives at Court for the sentencing of Natalie Dimitrovska.



Well well well  who'd have thunk you'd turn up being and absolute idiot.
You need to seek professional help gweggy.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #116 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:36am
 
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:42pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


How about you and Bobby get a room Aussie???

Wink Wink Wink



Aussie is being very poofy tonight.  Embarrassed


Na....I think he is trying to make a point....The woman would not remove her garment and decided she would prefer the judge would get f@#ked....It is her right to do so when the judge is an ass!!!

Cool Cool Cool



He calls himself a lawyer but has no respect for judges - go figure?


There were many individual Judges most Lawyers had no respect for.
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 26177
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #117 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:57am
 
Secret Wars wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:17am:
There is no right or wrong answer which is why this debate is so vexing as it touches on religion, despite apologists saying niquabs have got nothing to do wiv religion, on culture, which raises the question are all aspects of a culture worth protecting and encouraging, and freedom to wear what you want, despite that freedom not being absolute anyway.

For the greater good, in Australia, I would ban wearing a niquab in public spaces. Hijabs, fine. I see nothing wrong with a country like Australia declaring that women should be treated equally and demonstrating that by not condoning clothing that is a symbol and outcome of patriarchal and inequal society. 

Of course, some women will declare themselves to be bent out of shape taking away the freedom to dress in a sack and be hidden.  Other women and women unborn will rejoice in a declaration of female equality.  God knows the sisters in Iran would.

Not everything diverse needs to be celebrated, we have the right to impose to steer the country in a direction which is toward equality.   


Muslim women are not required to completely cover up or wear tents etc...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 26177
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #118 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:58am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:23am:
The trolls will use every avenue possible to extrapolate on the stupidest principles to justify the stupidity of this CULT.

The simple fact is.
And I know it will be hard for you trolls to comprehend.

There is a universal ban on headwear or face concealing garb in Australian courts.

Why?
So the judge can see the people in his/ her court and determine if they be a threat.

Now, if you wish to extrapolate into stupidity.
What if a western woman was to wear no head scarf and a short, but modest dress in a sand monkey court?
Do you think these barbarians would accept that without question?
Of course not, and you sand monkey lovers woukd say it's their right to do so.

So get off you high horses
Realize that the tent worn by these retards is not a recognised religious garb, but nothing more than a statement of radicalization.

Before the muzzos went all retard.
The women in many of their countries wore much the same as they do everywhere.
Then they went all stooopid like and started enforcing the tent to hide all the child brides and seriously ugly females.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5017466-3x2-340x227.jpg

Burns victim Dana Vulin arrives at Court for the sentencing of Natalie Dimitrovska.



Well well well  who'd have thunk you'd turn up being an absolute idiot.
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
You need to seek professional help gweggy.
Roll Eyes

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Mr Hammer
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16461
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #119 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:00am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
I don't understand why a judge who is supposed to be impartial would take offence to any cultural dress standard....He is trying a Muslim and having family members wearing Islamic dress would be a given....I think the judge is showing bias against the defendant here???

Huh Huh Huh


Yeah screw her. It's the dress code of the most extreme sect of Islam.


That is also a conclusion the judge has made....The question is should the Judge, judge those not on trial....The last time I checked wearing a hijab ect....in Australia is not illegal....The judge is showing extreme prejudice IMO!!!

Huh Huh Huh



He didn't ping her for wearing a hijab. I'd actually be on her side for that. A Niquab is a whole different kettle of fish from a hijab.


I had no idea, nor do I care....If a minority is on trial his relatives will wear all sorts of cultural dress that do not conform to certain norms or religious garb....My point is I see no reason to exclude someone for wearing a Niquab....The judge is making a negative judgement on a member of the gallery (who happens to be the defendants wife) which is prejudice against the defendant....I am not surprised the Islamic council was outraged!!!

Huh Huh Huh

When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free.
Charles Evans Hughes, Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, June 17, 1925

It could interfere with questioning. The courts get a lot from facial expressions during questioning. It may also hinder interactions between her and court staff. It's an advantage to not have your face seen.


I can understand that reasoning if she was a witness....However I believe she was only a member of a very limited public gallery....The right to religious freedom is a right in any democracy unfortunately in some cases....You cannot punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty???

Huh Huh Huh

Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful.
Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06

She's the wife of an accused terrorist. I'm sure she'll face questioning.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #120 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:01am
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:36am:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:42pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Bobby wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
How about taking your shirt off Bobby?


How about you and Bobby get a room Aussie???

Wink Wink Wink



Aussie is being very poofy tonight.  Embarrassed


Na....I think he is trying to make a point....The woman would not remove her garment and decided she would prefer the judge would get f@#ked....It is her right to do so when the judge is an ass!!!

Cool Cool Cool



He calls himself a lawyer but has no respect for judges - go figure?


There were many individual Judges most Lawyers had no respect for.

There are a lot of judges who have no respect for lawyers, and that goes for the wider community as well.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #121 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #122 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:08am
 
Quote:
There are a lot of judges who have no respect for lawyers,


Probably, but you would not have a clue.
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #123 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:15am
 
If i was a witness in a court case i would not want a bunch of people in the gallery or on the jury in masks while i give out personal information about my family, acquaintances, business dealings, whereabouts etc. they may have a vendetta of their own and sit there with impunity. This may inhibit justice being served.
The judge was right and should extend to all courts of law, government buildings, malls and sandwich shops.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Mr Hammer
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16461
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #124 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #125 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:08am:
Quote:
There are a lot of judges who have no respect for lawyers,


Probably, but you would not have a clue.

How do you know.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #126 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #127 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:27am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?


Give it a rest, allowances are made for the disabled everywhere.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #128 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:29am
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:27am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?


Give it a rest, allowances are made for the disabled everywhere.


Bingo!

Now, think about that when addressing the "security issue" argument that some have put forward.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #129 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:12pm
 
Those in Burkas are not disabled, hang on, yes they are.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #130 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:14pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
Those in Burkas are not disabled, hang on, yes they are.


...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #131 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:16pm
 
...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #132 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:46pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:14pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
Those in Burkas are not disabled, hang on, yes they are.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8817210-3x2-700x467.jpg

She made a good point, these lot have two choices, get stoned or fry.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #133 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:50pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:14pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
Those in Burkas are not disabled, hang on, yes they are.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8817210-3x2-700x467.jpg

She made a good point, these lot have two choices, get stoned or fry.


No, she certainly did not.

She made an absolute fool of herself.

...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #134 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:54pm
 
...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 8386
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #135 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:00pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.





... for the people who complain about something that they know absolutely nothing about.





Of course you know everything Peccar  Roll Eyes

Doesn't matter Niqab or Burka .... either one covers the face ..... both banned.
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 8386
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #136 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:01pm
 
..
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #137 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:04pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.





... for the people who complain about something that they know absolutely nothing about.





Of course you know everything Peccar  Roll Eyes

Doesn't matter Niqab or Burka .... either one covers the face ..... both banned.


Do you agree with the judge's actions?

If so, why?


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1331
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #138 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:40pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.





... for the people who complain about something that they know absolutely nothing about.





Of course you know everything Peccar  Roll Eyes

Doesn't matter Niqab or Burka .... either one covers the face ..... both banned.


Do you agree with the judge's actions?

If so, why?





Even though it is not directed at me.

Yes I agree.
Positive identification of all people within the court. Same as not being able to wear a hoodie.

I belive they need to take it further and rwmove them from our streets. It's offensive for me to see a woman degraded like this in MY country. Don't care what they do back in their homeland...it is not acceptable here.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #139 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:48pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.





... for the people who complain about something that they know absolutely nothing about.





Of course you know everything Peccar  Roll Eyes

Doesn't matter Niqab or Burka .... either one covers the face ..... both banned.


Do you agree with the judge's actions?

If so, why?





Even though it is not directed at me.

Yes I agree.
Positive identification of all people within the court. Same as not being able to wear a hoodie.

I belive they need to take it further and rwmove them from our streets. It's offensive for me to see a woman degraded like this in MY country. Don't care what they do back in their homeland...it is not acceptable here.


Have you ever been to a court?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #140 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:54pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.





... for the people who complain about something that they know absolutely nothing about.





Of course you know everything Peccar  Roll Eyes

Doesn't matter Niqab or Burka .... either one covers the face ..... both banned.


Do you agree with the judge's actions?

If so, why?





Even though it is not directed at me.

Yes I agree.
Positive identification of all people within the court. Same as not being able to wear a hoodie.

I belive they need to take it further and rwmove them from our streets. It's offensive for me to see a woman degraded like this in MY country. Don't care what they do back in their homeland...it is not acceptable here.


Have you ever been to a court?



And, will you be requiring people with surgical face masks to remove those in court?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14229
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #141 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:23pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.





... for the people who complain about something that they know absolutely nothing about.





Of course you know everything Peccar  Roll Eyes

Doesn't matter Niqab or Burka .... either one covers the face ..... both banned.


Do you agree with the judge's actions?

If so, why?





Yep, the sand monkeys need to know their place.  Smiley Smiley


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #142 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:53pm
 
It would be a good way for the bikies to infiltrate the courts by having their owned bitches in burkas sitting in on certain court cases gathering information for extortion purposes. If i was a witness or an accused i would want to see every ones face in that court room, a link could be made to who was in that court   room and a future crime, better to be safe than sorry, no masks.
Unless they are burn victims.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #143 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:33pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
It would be a good way for the bikies to infiltrate the courts by having their owned bitches in burkas sitting in on certain court cases gathering information for extortion purposes. If i was a witness or an accused i would want to see every ones face in that court room, a link could be made to who was in that court   room and a future crime, better to be safe than sorry, no masks.
Unless they are burn victims.


Everyone has a right of access to Courts.  Bad luck if members of the gallery are there, just like journalists are, to see and hear what happens. 
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Valkie
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 5494
Central Coast
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #144 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:50pm
 
And why was this retarded sand monkey in a tent in court in the first place?

Because she was with a TERRORIST

And she was there to support the TERRORIST

That makes her, and every APOLOGIST in this forum who is protecting her a potential terrorist SYMPATHISER.

Terrorists are good only as canon fodder or blood and bone fertilizer.

Obvious fact
Only radicals wear this ridiculous garb in Australia.
It's only done for the notoriety, nothing else.
They and their sick, primitive, barbaric, violent, evil CULT are not wanted.

Stick that up your jumpa
Back to top
 

I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #145 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:51pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
It would be a good way for the bikies to infiltrate the courts by having their owned bitches in burkas sitting in on certain court cases gathering information for extortion purposes. If i was a witness or an accused i would want to see every ones face in that court room, a link could be made to who was in that court   room and a future crime, better to be safe than sorry, no masks.
Unless they are burn victims
.


What's stopping bikies getting hold of burns masks?

I'm curious.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #146 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:58pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
It would be a good way for the bikies to infiltrate the courts by having their owned bitches in burkas sitting in on certain court cases gathering information for extortion purposes. If i was a witness or an accused i would want to see every ones face in that court room, a link could be made to who was in that court   room and a future crime, better to be safe than sorry, no masks.
Unless they are burn victims.


Everyone has a right of access to Courts.  Bad luck if members of the gallery are there, just like journalists are, to see and hear what happens. 

Exactly right, but to have unidentifiable people by way of masks sitting in adds a new element, would you feel comfortable disclosing all your personal information to masked people, who knows the intent of these people, like i said, links could be made to these people that otherwise may not have been made.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1331
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #147 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:01pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:26am:





The only education needed is by the sand monkeys, keep your backward monkey ways where they belong, in the 14th century middle east sh1thole you came from.


No else needs to know or give a fkk about the dress standards of these backward terrorist supporting scumbags.





... for the people who complain about something that they know absolutely nothing about.





Of course you know everything Peccar  Roll Eyes

Doesn't matter Niqab or Burka .... either one covers the face ..... both banned.


Do you agree with the judge's actions?

If so, why?





Even though it is not directed at me.

Yes I agree.
Positive identification of all people within the court. Same as not being able to wear a hoodie.

I belive they need to take it further and rwmove them from our streets. It's offensive for me to see a woman degraded like this in MY country. Don't care what they do back in their homeland...it is not acceptable here.


Have you ever been to a court?




Yes.  Questioning
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #148 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:02pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
It would be a good way for the bikies to infiltrate the courts by having their owned bitches in burkas sitting in on certain court cases gathering information for extortion purposes. If i was a witness or an accused i would want to see every ones face in that court room, a link could be made to who was in that court   room and a future crime, better to be safe than sorry, no masks.
Unless they are burn victims
.


What's stopping bikies getting hold of burns masks?

I'm curious.

Good one Gweg.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #149 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:04pm
 
The judge was prejudice against the defendant....

Quote:
"If there's any doubt about someone's identity, a woman can be asked to step into a room privately with a female security person, remove her niqab, verify their identity," he said.

The identity of the accused or his wife cannot be revealed for legal reasons.

Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-08/unreasonable-judge-refused-woman-access-to...

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke (1632 - 1704)
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1331
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #150 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:08pm
 
His courtroom, his rules.
I back him on his decision.  Roll Eyes

Should be more of it.  Smiley
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #151 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:08pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
The judge was prejudice against the defendant....

Quote:
"If there's any doubt about someone's identity, a woman can be asked to step into a room privately with a female security person, remove her niqab, verify their identity," he said.

The identity of the accused or his wife cannot be revealed for legal reasons.

Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-08/unreasonable-judge-refused-woman-access-to...

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke (1632 - 1704)

Your Quotes have little significance when it comes to hard evidence.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #152 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:13pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
It would be a good way for the bikies to infiltrate the courts by having their owned bitches in burkas sitting in on certain court cases gathering information for extortion purposes. If i was a witness or an accused i would want to see every ones face in that court room, a link could be made to who was in that court   room and a future crime, better to be safe than sorry, no masks.
Unless they are burn victims
.


What's stopping bikies getting hold of burns masks?

I'm curious.

Good one Gweg.


I know.

Now we just need a good answer.

So, what's stopping bikies from getting hold of burns masks and putting them on "their owned bitches"?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #153 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:17pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:13pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
It would be a good way for the bikies to infiltrate the courts by having their owned bitches in burkas sitting in on certain court cases gathering information for extortion purposes. If i was a witness or an accused i would want to see every ones face in that court room, a link could be made to who was in that court   room and a future crime, better to be safe than sorry, no masks.
Unless they are burn victims
.


What's stopping bikies getting hold of burns masks?

I'm curious.

Good one Gweg.


I know.

Now we just need a good answer.

So, what's stopping bikies from getting hold of burns masks and putting them on "their owned bitches"?

The court officials might catch on to that scam.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #154 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:20pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:17pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:13pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
It would be a good way for the bikies to infiltrate the courts by having their owned bitches in burkas sitting in on certain court cases gathering information for extortion purposes. If i was a witness or an accused i would want to see every ones face in that court room, a link could be made to who was in that court   room and a future crime, better to be safe than sorry, no masks.
Unless they are burn victims
.


What's stopping bikies getting hold of burns masks?

I'm curious.

Good one Gweg.


I know.

Now we just need a good answer.

So, what's stopping bikies from getting hold of burns masks and putting them on "their owned bitches"?

The court officials might catch on to that scam.


So why won't they catch on to the burka scam?

I'm curious.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #155 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:22pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
The judge was prejudice against the defendant....

Quote:
"If there's any doubt about someone's identity, a woman can be asked to step into a room privately with a female security person, remove her niqab, verify their identity," he said.

The identity of the accused or his wife cannot be revealed for legal reasons.

Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-08/unreasonable-judge-refused-woman-access-to...

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke (1632 - 1704)


Your Quotes have little significance when it comes to hard evidence.


The evidence is highlighted!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #156 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:25pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:22pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
The judge was prejudice against the defendant....

Quote:
"If there's any doubt about someone's identity, a woman can be asked to step into a room privately with a female security person, remove her niqab, verify their identity," he said.

The identity of the accused or his wife cannot be revealed for legal reasons.

Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-08/unreasonable-judge-refused-woman-access-to...

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke (1632 - 1704)


Your Quotes have little significance when it comes to hard evidence.


The evidence is highlighted!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


They are still not identifiable to a witness a juror or an accused, hence my point.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #157 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:26pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:17pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:13pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
It would be a good way for the bikies to infiltrate the courts by having their owned bitches in burkas sitting in on certain court cases gathering information for extortion purposes. If i was a witness or an accused i would want to see every ones face in that court room, a link could be made to who was in that court   room and a future crime, better to be safe than sorry, no masks.
Unless they are burn victims
.


What's stopping bikies getting hold of burns masks?

I'm curious.

Good one Gweg.


I know.

Now we just need a good answer.

So, what's stopping bikies from getting hold of burns masks and putting them on "their owned bitches"?

The court officials might catch on to that scam.


So why won't they catch on to the burka scam?

I'm curious.

Good one Gweg.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #158 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:29pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:25pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:22pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
The judge was prejudice against the defendant....

Quote:
"If there's any doubt about someone's identity, a woman can be asked to step into a room privately with a female security person, remove her niqab, verify their identity," he said.

The identity of the accused or his wife cannot be revealed for legal reasons.

Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-08/unreasonable-judge-refused-woman-access-to...

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke (1632 - 1704)


Your Quotes have little significance when it comes to hard evidence.


The evidence is highlighted!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


They are still not identifiable to a witness a juror or an accused, hence my point.

Or the judge.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #159 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:31pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:17pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:13pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
It would be a good way for the bikies to infiltrate the courts by having their owned bitches in burkas sitting in on certain court cases gathering information for extortion purposes. If i was a witness or an accused i would want to see every ones face in that court room, a link could be made to who was in that court   room and a future crime, better to be safe than sorry, no masks.
Unless they are burn victims
.


What's stopping bikies getting hold of burns masks?

I'm curious.

Good one Gweg.


I know.

Now we just need a good answer.

So, what's stopping bikies from getting hold of burns masks and putting them on "their owned bitches"?

The court officials might catch on to that scam.


So why won't they catch on to the burka scam?

I'm curious.

Good one Gweg.


Why are you finding these questions so difficult to answer?

I'm curious.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #160 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:33pm
 
Quote:
Exactly right, but to have unidentifiable people by way of masks sitting in adds a new element, would you feel comfortable disclosing all your personal information to masked people, who knows the intent of these people, like i said, links could be made to these people that otherwise may not have been made.


Rubbish.  A male Muslim terrorist could be there, no face covered, and ...... your point is refuted.
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #161 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm
 
I answered every question.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #162 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:35pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


So why won't they catch on to the burka scam?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #163 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:36pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:33pm:
Quote:
Exactly right, but to have unidentifiable people by way of masks sitting in adds a new element, would you feel comfortable disclosing all your personal information to masked people, who knows the intent of these people, like i said, links could be made to these people that otherwise may not have been made.


Rubbish.  A male Muslim terrorist could be there, no face covered, and ...... your point is refuted.


Don't they have "terrorist" tattooed on their foreheads?

Grin
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #164 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:38pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:33pm:
Quote:
Exactly right, but to have unidentifiable people by way of masks sitting in adds a new element, would you feel comfortable disclosing all your personal information to masked people, who knows the intent of these people, like i said, links could be made to these people that otherwise may not have been made.


Rubbish.  A male Muslim terrorist could be there, no face covered, and ...... your point is refuted.

Easier to send in their owned bitch under cover with a Burka if they were smart.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #165 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:39pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:38pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:33pm:
Quote:
Exactly right, but to have unidentifiable people by way of masks sitting in adds a new element, would you feel comfortable disclosing all your personal information to masked people, who knows the intent of these people, like i said, links could be made to these people that otherwise may not have been made.


Rubbish.  A male Muslim terrorist could be there, no face covered, and ...... your point is refuted.

Easier to send in their owned bitch under cover with a Burka if they were smart.


If they'd catch on to the burns mask scam, why wouldn't they catch on to the burka scam?

I'm curious.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #166 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
The Mechanic
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12414
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #167 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:57pm
 
So the Islamic Council are up in arms about this disrespectful Terrorist Supporting Hag...

but when there's a Terrorist Attack...

What do we here from them then??

Crickets....  Angry

Sorry... I meant Islamic Terrorist attack..

although, that probably goes without saying..
Back to top
 

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
 
IP Logged
 
Mr Hammer
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16461
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #168 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:24pm by Mr Hammer »  
 
IP Logged
 
Valkie
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 5494
Central Coast
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #169 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:13pm
 
She should have been arrested as a TERRORIST.

Sand monkeys, who wants them gone?

Everybody
Back to top
 

I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #170 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:15pm
 
Quote:
Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all relalated.


Unsurprisingly, you miss the point Mr Peccarry is making.  Do you even understand what that point is?
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #171 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:30pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Quote:
Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all relalated.


Unsurprisingly, you miss the point Mr Peccarry is making.  Do you even understand what that point is?

Poor old Pekka has only one line of defense, his dear old friend the burn victim.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #172 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:36pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Quote:
Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all relalated.


Unsurprisingly, you miss the point Mr Peccarry is making.  Do you even understand what that point is?

Poor old Pekka has only one line of defense, his dear old friend the burn victim.


So, let's take it step by step.  Is it okay for a full face surgical mask to be worn in Court?
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Mr Hammer
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16461
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #173 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:39pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Quote:
Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all relalated.


Unsurprisingly, you miss the point Mr Peccarry is making.  Do you even understand what that point is?
Nope.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Valkie
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 5494
Central Coast
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #174 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:39pm
 
Aussie

Your sentence structure, your argument and you manner reflect the exact same mannerisms as the peccerhead.

Are you closely related?????
Snicker, snicker
😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲
Back to top
 

I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
IP Logged
 
Valkie
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 5494
Central Coast
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #175 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:42pm
 
It's amusing how upset all the islamophiles  get about these stupid things

When they are murdering young girls for being raped
Or marrying off children in sham pedophile marriages
Or running down people in trucks, cars or anything they can.

Just goes to show
Pathetic CULT
We seriously need to be rid of it.
Back to top
 

I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #176 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:55pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Aussie

Your sentence structure, your argument and you manner reflect the exact same mannerisms as the peccerhead.

Are you closely related?????
Snicker, snicker
😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲��😲😲😲😲😲😲


Indeed we are.  It seems we went to the same Primary School.
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Mr Hammer
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16461
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #177 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:57pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Aussie

Your sentence structure, your argument and you manner reflect the exact same mannerisms as the peccerhead.

Are you closely related?????
Snicker, snicker
😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲

I was just thinking that valkie.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #178 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #179 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #180 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:04pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh

Wouldn't that leave the court system open to more corruption than it presently is, or does religious freedom mean more to you?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1331
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #181 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:10am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh


See the thing is....we are not a muslim country and ot never will be so they can respect OUR courts and remove them when asked too.
I couldn't care less what they do in THEIR country, just don't expect other countries to bow down to their customs. It is insulting and disrespectful to wear your head covering here.
Hoodies have had a crack down, it's time these head garments did too.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Valkie
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 5494
Central Coast
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #182 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:40am
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:55pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Aussie

Your sentence structure, your argument and you manner reflect the exact same mannerisms as the peccerhead.

Are you closely related?????
Snicker, snicker
😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲��😲😲😲😲😲😲


Indeed we are.  It seems we went to the same Primary School.

Same class
Same desk


Hmmmmmm
😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲
Back to top
 

I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #183 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.


Wouldn't that be the perfect disguise, then?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #184 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:10am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh


See the thing is....we are not a muslim country and ot never will be so they can respect OUR courts and remove them when asked too.
I couldn't care less what they do in THEIR country, just don't expect other countries to bow down to their customs. It is insulting and disrespectful to wear your head covering here.
Hoodies have had a crack down, it's time these head garments did too.


There is a good chance this accused terrorist is as guilty as sin, first of all he has been accused and second his woman wears a Burka, they have flooded this court with Burkas to draw media attention and to gather support from the PC mob to get him off by way of an unfair trial, playing the racist card etc, they should call in the local gallow building contractor and start construction ASAP.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #185 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:29am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Quote:
Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all relalated.


Unsurprisingly, you miss the point Mr Peccarry is making.  Do you even understand what that point is?
Nope.


Could a surgical mask be worn by someone who actually has no burns, but just wants to conceal their identity?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #186 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:17am
 
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh

Wouldn't that leave the court system open to more corruption than it presently is, or does religious freedom mean more to you?


Yes freedom means a lot to me....Woman have and still are allowed to wear a niquab or a burka into a court room gallery including during this case, apart from this one woman who was the defendants wife....How is it corrupt to watch proceedings from the gallery wearing a niquab or a burka???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #187 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:20am
 
xeej wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:10am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh


See the thing is....we are not a muslim country and ot never will be so they can respect OUR courts and remove them when asked too.
I couldn't care less what they do in THEIR country, just don't expect other countries to bow down to their customs. It is insulting and disrespectful to wear your head covering here.
Hoodies have had a crack down, it's time these head garments did too.


There is a good chance this accused terrorist is as guilty as sin, first of all he has been accused and second his woman wears a Burka, they have flooded this court with Burkas to draw media attention and to gather support from the PC mob to get him off by way of an unfair trial, playing the racist card etc, they should call in the local gallow building contractor and start construction ASAP.


It would be you playing the racist card....Accused is not guilty....Wearing a burka is not illegal in Australia and has been worn in many courts in Australia.....The judge singled out one woman....Why???

Huh Huh Huh
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #188 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:47am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.


Wouldn't that be the perfect disguise, then?



Not really - you can still make out features etc, unlike a loose hanging bandanna set up for stagecoach robbery....

...

...

Catwalk models?
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36434
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #189 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:48am
 
Corrupt is not the term, Phil. It's a question of openness or otherwise in proceedings.
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1331
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #190 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:53am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:20am:
xeej wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:10am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh


See the thing is....we are not a muslim country and ot never will be so they can respect OUR courts and remove them when asked too.
I couldn't care less what they do in THEIR country, just don't expect other countries to bow down to their customs. It is insulting and disrespectful to wear your head covering here.
Hoodies have had a crack down, it's time these head garments did too.


There is a good chance this accused terrorist is as guilty as sin, first of all he has been accused and second his woman wears a Burka, they have flooded this court with Burkas to draw media attention and to gather support from the PC mob to get him off by way of an unfair trial, playing the racist card etc, they should call in the local gallow building contractor and start construction ASAP.


It would be you playing the racist card....Accused is not guilty....Wearing a burka is not illegal in Australia and has been worn in many courts in Australia.....The judge singled out one woman....Why???

Huh Huh Huh



Cmon phill.
It's not racist. Can you tell me what race wears a burqa or niqab ?

It is a garment that is derogatory to women in this society and it is offensive.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #191 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:21am
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:40am:
Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:55pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Aussie

Your sentence structure, your argument and you manner reflect the exact same mannerisms as the peccerhead.

Are you closely related?????
Snicker, snicker
😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲��😲😲😲😲😲😲


Indeed we are.  It seems we went to the same Primary School.

Same class
Same desk


Hmmmmmm
😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲


Might have been the same desk.  Not the same years, or Class obviously.
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #192 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:23am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:47am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.


Wouldn't that be the perfect disguise, then?



Not really - you can still make out features etc, unlike a loose hanging bandanna set up for stagecoach robbery....

https://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/dentist-putting-on-her-surgical-mask-at-...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/5d/19/175d19770c8fb134e055cf2e70c8bee9.jpg

Catwalk models?

He is referring to this surgical mask.

...
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #193 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:24am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:47am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.


Wouldn't that be the perfect disguise, then?



Not really - you can still make out features etc, unlike a loose hanging bandanna set up for stagecoach robbery....

https://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/dentist-putting-on-her-surgical-mask-at-...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/5d/19/175d19770c8fb134e055cf2e70c8bee9.jpg

Catwalk models?


A surgical burns mask.  Like Dana's.

...

If exceptions are made for these - and they most certainly should be - what's stopping someone (without burns) using one to conceal their identity in court?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #194 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am
 
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #195 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:37am
 
xeej wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am:
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.


Correct.

Thus, banning burkas is quite simply ridiculous.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #196 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:38am
 
xeej wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am:
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.


How does a niqab have any impact on that?
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14229
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #197 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:54am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:47am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.


Wouldn't that be the perfect disguise, then?



Not really - you can still make out features etc, unlike a loose hanging bandanna set up for stagecoach robbery....

https://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/dentist-putting-on-her-surgical-mask-at-...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/5d/19/175d19770c8fb134e055cf2e70c8bee9.jpg

Catwalk models?


A surgical burns mask.  Like Dana's.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

If exceptions are made for these - and they most certainly should be - what's stopping someone (without burns) using one to conceal their identity in court?




A doctors certificate and the lack of actual burns.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75914
Gender: female
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #198 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:01am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:47am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.


Wouldn't that be the perfect disguise, then?



Not really - you can still make out features etc, unlike a loose hanging bandanna set up for stagecoach robbery....

https://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/dentist-putting-on-her-surgical-mask-at-...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/5d/19/175d19770c8fb134e055cf2e70c8bee9.jpg

Catwalk models?


A surgical burns mask.  Like Dana's.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

If exceptions are made for these - and they most certainly should be - what's stopping someone (without burns) using one to conceal their identity in court?




A doctors certificate and the lack of actual burns.



Can you see any burns on this face?

...

Have bikies paid off doctors in the past?

And, they don't ask for a doctor's certificate anyway.

Jesus, the naivety in this forum is really quite astounding.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
xeej
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3216
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #199 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:02am
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:38am:
xeej wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am:
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.


How does a niqab have any impact on that?

That doesn't make cense after what I had just stated.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #200 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:05am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:53am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:20am:
xeej wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:10am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh


See the thing is....we are not a muslim country and ot never will be so they can respect OUR courts and remove them when asked too.
I couldn't care less what they do in THEIR country, just don't expect other countries to bow down to their customs. It is insulting and disrespectful to wear your head covering here.
Hoodies have had a crack down, it's time these head garments did too.


There is a good chance this accused terrorist is as guilty as sin, first of all he has been accused and second his woman wears a Burka, they have flooded this court with Burkas to draw media attention and to gather support from the PC mob to get him off by way of an unfair trial, playing the racist card etc, they should call in the local gallow building contractor and start construction ASAP.


It would be you playing the racist card....Accused is not guilty....Wearing a burka is not illegal in Australia and has been worn in many courts in Australia.....The judge singled out one woman....Why???

Huh Huh Huh



Cmon phill.
It's not racist. Can you tell me what race wears a burqa or niqab ?

It is a garment that is derogatory to women in this society and it is offensive.


Then why did you bring it up???

Huh Huh Huh
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14229
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #201 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:08am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:01am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:47am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.


Wouldn't that be the perfect disguise, then?



Not really - you can still make out features etc, unlike a loose hanging bandanna set up for stagecoach robbery....

https://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/dentist-putting-on-her-surgical-mask-at-...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/5d/19/175d19770c8fb134e055cf2e70c8bee9.jpg

Catwalk models?


A surgical burns mask.  Like Dana's.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

If exceptions are made for these - and they most certainly should be - what's stopping someone (without burns) using one to conceal their identity in court?




A doctors certificate and the lack of actual burns.



Can you see any burns on this face?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

Have bikies paid off doctors in the past?

And, they don't ask for a doctor's certificate anyway.

Jesus, the naivety in this forum is really quite astounding.



You asked a question and I answered it, you fkken clown,


Just ban the sand monkeys and their backward religious bullsh1t and all will be fine.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 38426
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #202 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
xeej wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:02am:
Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:38am:
xeej wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am:
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.


How does a niqab have any impact on that?

That doesn't make cense after what I had just stated.


What you stated makes no sense, hence the question.
Back to top
 

And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs. ~ A Member
A Member ~ kill every man woman and child, who is a Muslim.
A Member ~ I know if he had touched my kid he [taxi driver]would need an Ambulance
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1331
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #203 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:05am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:53am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:20am:
xeej wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:10am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh


See the thing is....we are not a muslim country and ot never will be so they can respect OUR courts and remove them when asked too.
I couldn't care less what they do in THEIR country, just don't expect other countries to bow down to their customs. It is insulting and disrespectful to wear your head covering here.
Hoodies have had a crack down, it's time these head garments did too.


There is a good chance this accused terrorist is as guilty as sin, first of all he has been accused and second his woman wears a Burka, they have flooded this court with Burkas to draw media attention and to gather support from the PC mob to get him off by way of an unfair trial, playing the racist card etc, they should call in the local gallow building contractor and start construction ASAP.


It would be you playing the racist card....Accused is not guilty....Wearing a burka is not illegal in Australia and has been worn in many courts in Australia.....The judge singled out one woman....Why???

Huh Huh Huh



Cmon phill.
It's not racist. Can you tell me what race wears a burqa or niqab ?

It is a garment that is derogatory to women in this society and it is offensive.


Then why did you bring it up???

Huh Huh Huh



I didn't.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #204 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:48am:
Corrupt is not the term, Phil. It's a question of openness or otherwise in proceedings.


The point is other woman had worn these garments in this court previously....How is someone in the public gallery whom is not a witness subject to any scrutiny by the court....In fact by excluding one woman who is the wife of the accused whilst not excluding anyone else shows bias towards the defendant???

Huh Huh Huh
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12680
Perth
Gender: male
Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #205 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:12am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:09am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:05am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:53am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:20am:
xeej wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:10am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
xeej wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm: