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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #330 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:41pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
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So where do you go to buy surgical burns masks off the rack?

They are usually required to be tailor made ... & what's more  ....


We are discussing someone with evil intent, nothing else.  Someone of that intent can easily enough get one made.  They are not illegal.

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how many people would be only burned on the head/face & have no other body evidence of burns?


I'd guess there'd be many.

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How many incidences of using burns masks have there been in committing crimes .... or acts of terror?

The old Burka/Niqab is way out in front.


Completely irrelevant to the point of someone with evil intent bent on hiding who they are.   They'll use any device.

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Court of law ... all faces to be exposed ... verified burns victims excused.

No problems.


Just like the niqab wearer can be verified instead of being just summarily booted out of a public gallery.


You're saying that the maker of said mask would make one for someone without burns?

Further inferring that they wouldn't find that suspicious & report it or that they are criminals themselves ....

the repercussions of being found out/having it traced back that "you" made the mask used in the act of committing a crime would be significant.

You are being pedantic like the King of Pedantry PeccarHead.

More & more bs hypotheticals.

If the defendants/ relatives wearing said clothing don't have a legal arrangement & reason for face coverings outside them being a religious/ideological requirement then all faces should be uncovered or don't come into the court room.

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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #331 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:44pm
 

Wasting your time, Aussie.

He just doesn't get it.

Never will.
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #332 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:46pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
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So where do you go to buy surgical burns masks off the rack?

They are usually required to be tailor made ... & what's more  ....


We are discussing someone with evil intent, nothing else.  Someone of that intent can easily enough get one made.  They are not illegal.

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how many people would be only burned on the head/face & have no other body evidence of burns?


I'd guess there'd be many.

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How many incidences of using burns masks have there been in committing crimes .... or acts of terror?

The old Burka/Niqab is way out in front.


Completely irrelevant to the point of someone with evil intent bent on hiding who they are.   They'll use any device.

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Court of law ... all faces to be exposed ... verified burns victims excused.

No problems.


Just like the niqab wearer can be verified instead of being just summarily booted out of a public gallery.


If she hasn't been verified, especially if its a bloke under one of them .... then boot them.
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #333 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:49pm
 
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If she hasn't been verified, especially if its a bloke under one of them .... then boot them.


So, it seems you agree.  There was a very easy alternative available which this Judge did not adopt. He chose instead to grand-stand.
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #334 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:49pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
Wasting your time, Aussie.

He just doesn't get it.

Never will.


There's nothing to get. Roll Eyes
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #335 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:50pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
Wasting your time, Aussie.

He just doesn't get it.

Never will.


There's nothing to get.


Point proven.

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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #336 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:54pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:49pm:
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If she hasn't been verified, especially if its a bloke under one of them .... then boot them.


So, it seems you agree.  There was a very easy alternative available which this Judge did not adopt. He chose instead to grand-stand.


Grandstand in a closed administrative hearing?
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #337 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:56pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:50pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
Wasting your time, Aussie.

He just doesn't get it.

Never will.


There's nothing to get.


Point proven.



You don't have a proven point other than a strawman hypotheticals.
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #338 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:59pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:54pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:49pm:
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If she hasn't been verified, especially if its a bloke under one of them .... then boot them.


So, it seems you agree.  There was a very easy alternative available which this Judge did not adopt. He chose instead to grand-stand.


Grandstand in a closed administrative hearing?


Go re-read Alinta's first post on the first page of this Thread. 
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #339 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:01pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:50pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
Wasting your time, Aussie.

He just doesn't get it.

Never will.


There's nothing to get.


Point proven.



You don't have a proven point other than a strawman hypotheticals.


The point has been proven.

No further correspondence will be entered into.

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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #340 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:20pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:09pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
What about them you dill?

Has someone been asked to remove one in a court of law?


No, they have not.  Do you reckon this Judge who tossed a member of the public gallery out because of some piece of apparel covering her face would have tossed out a person wearing one of those burn masks.  If not, why not?


For both of you t/wats

Is a Niqab or Burka a medical/surgical requirement in the treatment of burns?

Or just an item of oppressive apparel that can readily be removed if asked to do so in a court of law?

Is it legal to wear a hoodie, balaclava or full faced bike helmet in a court?

And couldn't a facial burns victim be asked to supply a medical certificate?

That you clowns think persisting with the surgical burns mask option is a winning formula in this debate shows how desperate you are. Roll Eyes


You are missing the basic point which is about security and a criminal using devices to hide their ID when they are in a Court Room.

Well this is a good starting point, you lot now concede that wearing a mask is a security risk, and obviously that does not only apply to a court room.
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #341 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:21pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:20pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:09pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
What about them you dill?

Has someone been asked to remove one in a court of law?


No, they have not.  Do you reckon this Judge who tossed a member of the public gallery out because of some piece of apparel covering her face would have tossed out a person wearing one of those burn masks.  If not, why not?


For both of you t/wats

Is a Niqab or Burka a medical/surgical requirement in the treatment of burns?

Or just an item of oppressive apparel that can readily be removed if asked to do so in a court of law?

Is it legal to wear a hoodie, balaclava or full faced bike helmet in a court?

And couldn't a facial burns victim be asked to supply a medical certificate?

That you clowns think persisting with the surgical burns mask option is a winning formula in this debate shows how desperate you are. Roll Eyes


You are missing the basic point which is about security and a criminal using devices to hide their ID when they are in a Court Room.

Well this is a good starting point, you lot now concede that wearing a mask is a security risk, and obviously that does not only apply to a court room.


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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #342 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:26pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:21pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:20pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:09pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
What about them you dill?

Has someone been asked to remove one in a court of law?


No, they have not.  Do you reckon this Judge who tossed a member of the public gallery out because of some piece of apparel covering her face would have tossed out a person wearing one of those burn masks.  If not, why not?


For both of you t/wats

Is a Niqab or Burka a medical/surgical requirement in the treatment of burns?

Or just an item of oppressive apparel that can readily be removed if asked to do so in a court of law?

Is it legal to wear a hoodie, balaclava or full faced bike helmet in a court?

And couldn't a facial burns victim be asked to supply a medical certificate?

That you clowns think persisting with the surgical burns mask option is a winning formula in this debate shows how desperate you are. Roll Eyes


You are missing the basic point which is about security and a criminal using devices to hide their ID when they are in a Court Room.

Well this is a good starting point, you lot now concede that wearing a mask is a security risk, and obviously that does not only apply to a court room.


https://statics.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/mascot-derby-14855881...

You think they would get into a court room.
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #343 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:29pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:21pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:20pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:09pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
What about them you dill?

Has someone been asked to remove one in a court of law?


No, they have not.  Do you reckon this Judge who tossed a member of the public gallery out because of some piece of apparel covering her face would have tossed out a person wearing one of those burn masks.  If not, why not?


For both of you t/wats

Is a Niqab or Burka a medical/surgical requirement in the treatment of burns?

Or just an item of oppressive apparel that can readily be removed if asked to do so in a court of law?

Is it legal to wear a hoodie, balaclava or full faced bike helmet in a court?

And couldn't a facial burns victim be asked to supply a medical certificate?

That you clowns think persisting with the surgical burns mask option is a winning formula in this debate shows how desperate you are. Roll Eyes


You are missing the basic point which is about security and a criminal using devices to hide their ID when they are in a Court Room.

Well this is a good starting point, you lot now concede that wearing a mask is a security risk, and obviously that does not only apply to a court room.


https://statics.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/mascot-derby-14855881...

You think they would get into a court room.


Again, missing the point.

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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #344 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:36pm
 
Obviously anyone could walk down the mall packed full of explosives. Meanwhile back to the court room, would those clowns be allowed into the court room, the answer is no so why are the clowns in Burkas allowed in, our resident lawyer has already stated masks pose a security risk in the courthouse.
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