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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #195 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:37am
 
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am:
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.


Correct.

Thus, banning burkas is quite simply ridiculous.

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Reply #196 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:38am
 
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am:
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.


How does a niqab have any impact on that?
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #197 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:54am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:47am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.


Wouldn't that be the perfect disguise, then?



Not really - you can still make out features etc, unlike a loose hanging bandanna set up for stagecoach robbery....

https://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/dentist-putting-on-her-surgical-mask-at-...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/5d/19/175d19770c8fb134e055cf2e70c8bee9.jpg

Catwalk models?


A surgical burns mask.  Like Dana's.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

If exceptions are made for these - and they most certainly should be - what's stopping someone (without burns) using one to conceal their identity in court?




A doctors certificate and the lack of actual burns.

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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #198 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:01am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:47am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.


Wouldn't that be the perfect disguise, then?



Not really - you can still make out features etc, unlike a loose hanging bandanna set up for stagecoach robbery....

https://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/dentist-putting-on-her-surgical-mask-at-...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/5d/19/175d19770c8fb134e055cf2e70c8bee9.jpg

Catwalk models?


A surgical burns mask.  Like Dana's.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

If exceptions are made for these - and they most certainly should be - what's stopping someone (without burns) using one to conceal their identity in court?




A doctors certificate and the lack of actual burns.



Can you see any burns on this face?

...

Have bikies paid off doctors in the past?

And, they don't ask for a doctor's certificate anyway.

Jesus, the naivety in this forum is really quite astounding.
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #199 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:02am
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:38am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am:
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.


How does a niqab have any impact on that?

That doesn't make cense after what I had just stated.
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #200 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:05am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:53am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:20am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:10am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


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Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh


See the thing is....we are not a muslim country and ot never will be so they can respect OUR courts and remove them when asked too.
I couldn't care less what they do in THEIR country, just don't expect other countries to bow down to their customs. It is insulting and disrespectful to wear your head covering here.
Hoodies have had a crack down, it's time these head garments did too.


There is a good chance this accused terrorist is as guilty as sin, first of all he has been accused and second his woman wears a Burka, they have flooded this court with Burkas to draw media attention and to gather support from the PC mob to get him off by way of an unfair trial, playing the racist card etc, they should call in the local gallow building contractor and start construction ASAP.


It would be you playing the racist card....Accused is not guilty....Wearing a burka is not illegal in Australia and has been worn in many courts in Australia.....The judge singled out one woman....Why???

Huh Huh Huh



Cmon phill.
It's not racist. Can you tell me what race wears a burqa or niqab ?

It is a garment that is derogatory to women in this society and it is offensive.


Then why did you bring it up???

Huh Huh Huh
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #201 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:08am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:01am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:47am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.


Wouldn't that be the perfect disguise, then?



Not really - you can still make out features etc, unlike a loose hanging bandanna set up for stagecoach robbery....

https://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/dentist-putting-on-her-surgical-mask-at-...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/5d/19/175d19770c8fb134e055cf2e70c8bee9.jpg

Catwalk models?


A surgical burns mask.  Like Dana's.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

If exceptions are made for these - and they most certainly should be - what's stopping someone (without burns) using one to conceal their identity in court?




A doctors certificate and the lack of actual burns.



Can you see any burns on this face?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

Have bikies paid off doctors in the past?

And, they don't ask for a doctor's certificate anyway.

Jesus, the naivety in this forum is really quite astounding.



You asked a question and I answered it, you fkken clown,


Just ban the sand monkeys and their backward religious bullsh1t and all will be fine.

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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #202 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:02am:
Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:38am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am:
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.


How does a niqab have any impact on that?

That doesn't make cense after what I had just stated.


What you stated makes no sense, hence the question.
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #203 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:05am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:53am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:20am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:10am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh


See the thing is....we are not a muslim country and ot never will be so they can respect OUR courts and remove them when asked too.
I couldn't care less what they do in THEIR country, just don't expect other countries to bow down to their customs. It is insulting and disrespectful to wear your head covering here.
Hoodies have had a crack down, it's time these head garments did too.


There is a good chance this accused terrorist is as guilty as sin, first of all he has been accused and second his woman wears a Burka, they have flooded this court with Burkas to draw media attention and to gather support from the PC mob to get him off by way of an unfair trial, playing the racist card etc, they should call in the local gallow building contractor and start construction ASAP.


It would be you playing the racist card....Accused is not guilty....Wearing a burka is not illegal in Australia and has been worn in many courts in Australia.....The judge singled out one woman....Why???

Huh Huh Huh



Cmon phill.
It's not racist. Can you tell me what race wears a burqa or niqab ?

It is a garment that is derogatory to women in this society and it is offensive.


Then why did you bring it up???

Huh Huh Huh



I didn't.
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #204 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:48am:
Corrupt is not the term, Phil. It's a question of openness or otherwise in proceedings.


The point is other woman had worn these garments in this court previously....How is someone in the public gallery whom is not a witness subject to any scrutiny by the court....In fact by excluding one woman who is the wife of the accused whilst not excluding anyone else shows bias towards the defendant???

Huh Huh Huh
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #205 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:12am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:09am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:05am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:53am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:20am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 6:10am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I answered every question.


Quote:
Women connected to the case have previously been allowed in court wearing niqabs or burqas.


The judge singled out the accused's wife when other woman had been permitted to enter the court wearing niqabs or burqas....What will the jury think of this or doesn't a fair trial matter???

Huh Huh Huh

Its getting a bit confusing, having masked people in a court of law is bazarre, the implications are extreme to say the least.


It probably happens in Muslim countries more often than not???

Huh Huh Huh


See the thing is....we are not a muslim country and ot never will be so they can respect OUR courts and remove them when asked too.
I couldn't care less what they do in THEIR country, just don't expect other countries to bow down to their customs. It is insulting and disrespectful to wear your head covering here.
Hoodies have had a crack down, it's time these head garments did too.


There is a good chance this accused terrorist is as guilty as sin, first of all he has been accused and second his woman wears a Burka, they have flooded this court with Burkas to draw media attention and to gather support from the PC mob to get him off by way of an unfair trial,
playing the racist card
etc, they should call in the local gallow building contractor and start construction ASAP.


It would be you playing the racist card....Accused is not guilty....Wearing a burka is not illegal in Australia and has been worn in many courts in Australia.....The judge singled out one woman....Why???

Huh Huh Huh



Cmon phill.
It's not racist. Can you tell me what race wears a burqa or niqab ?

It is a garment that is derogatory to women in this society and it is offensive.


Then why did you bring it up???

Huh Huh Huh



I didn't.


Bullshit see your post above....You have made a judgement that woman are forced to wear these garments and it is somehow derogatory and offensive....To whom, you....Woman are free to wear what ever they like in a free society which you want to restrict because you are a bigot!!!

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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #206 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:14am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:08am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:01am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:47am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:18am:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Simply answered your question Phil...


Just that you agree with the judges decision....You gave no valid reason why the judge would make that decision as she was not a witness???

Huh Huh Huh


No, I never said I agree with his decision because I don't - in these circumstances, I personally do not feel any valid reason.

All I am saying is Justice Beale made a call as he saw fit - his valid reason being no face covering in his court. His right to do so.  That should not be confused with my agreeance that it was the right call.


However the judge should always remain impartial and show no bias....His decision could influence the jury against the defendant....I accept the judge has every right to maintain order in the court without bias...The niquab is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Isn't it bias to make everybody else take their hats off but she can get away with a full face covering?


Are you going to ask people to remove their surgical burns masks when entering court?

Like my poor ex-neighbour, Dana?

Taking off something that's holding your skin together is a little different to a piece of cloth Pecca. It's not at all related.


Wouldn't that be the perfect disguise, then?



Not really - you can still make out features etc, unlike a loose hanging bandanna set up for stagecoach robbery....

https://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/dentist-putting-on-her-surgical-mask-at-...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/5d/19/175d19770c8fb134e055cf2e70c8bee9.jpg

Catwalk models?


A surgical burns mask.  Like Dana's.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

If exceptions are made for these - and they most certainly should be - what's stopping someone (without burns) using one to conceal their identity in court?




A doctors certificate and the lack of actual burns.



Can you see any burns on this face?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

Have bikies paid off doctors in the past?

And, they don't ask for a doctor's certificate anyway.

Jesus, the naivety in this forum is really quite astounding.



You asked a question and I answered it, you fkken clown,


Just ban the sand monkeys and their backward religious bullsh1t and all will be fine.




Yes, but the answer was wrong.

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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #207 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:15am
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:09am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:02am:
Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:38am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am:
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.


How does a niqab have any impact on that?

That doesn't make cense after what I had just stated.


What you stated makes no sense, hence the question.

If it made no sense why did you answer it in the way you did.
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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #208 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:18am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:37am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am:
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.


Correct.

Thus, banning burkas is quite simply ridiculous.


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Re: Victorian judge bans niquab in court
Reply #209 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:21am
 
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:18am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:37am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:34am:
This is corruption alright, and it is at ground level, only the Muslims are doing this and they are doing it by sending in owned bitches in disguises under the guise of religion, it leaves the door wide open for bikies and terrorists alike to extort and more. Criminals will use any means possible to for their own benefit and to deny this is being naïve as hell.


Correct.

Thus, banning burkas is quite simply ridiculous.


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Indeed.
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