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Reply #1 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:33pm
 
I am responding to your signature instead of your post.

If the claim is true, and of course I am not going to bother reading the PDF, that simply means that 85% of Australians are wrong.

And no one has the right to be wrong.

You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting wrongism.
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Reply #2 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:23pm
 
Coral Sea wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
I am responding to your signature instead of your post.

If the claim is true, and of course I am not going to bother reading the PDF, that simply means that 85% of Australians are wrong.

And no one has the right to be wrong.

You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting wrongism.


Really?  That's an awful lot of Australians that are wrong then.  What ever happened to Democracy, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:29pm
 
Coral Sea wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
I am responding to your signature instead of your post.

If the claim is true, and of course I am not going to bother reading the PDF, that simply means that 85% of Australians are wrong.

And no one has the right to be wrong.

You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting wrongism.


Obviously a very clear majority would disagree with you ?

Maybe not here though.

Multiculturalism has been great for Australia and built the USA but maybe not under the same label.

The US isn't what it is today based on the actions of the indiginous Red Indian population alone ?

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Reply #4 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:31pm
 
I would say that we have about seen the One Nation cycle play out again.

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Reply #5 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:59am
 
I have no problem disagreeing with clear majorities.

Wrong is wrong.

Hard data shows that "multiculturalism" (which, today, really means multiracialism) is disastrous.

No one has the right to be wrong.

There are other issues for instance--majorities in most countries oppose atomic energy.

They're wrong, and they should not be listened to.

And given that public opinion is shaped by propaganda, this makes "the will of the people" a dubious concept indeed.
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Reply #6 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:26am
 
it also makes you wonder why supposedly 85% of australians would support multiculturalism. i think a lot of people just associate it with superficial stuff like chinese new year festivals and more ethnic restaurants around the place, none of which really necessitate an explicit multicultural policy to have (though obviously 'multiculturalism' does facilitiate them). when it comes to actually interacting with ethnics many of that 85% wouldn't be anywhere near as supportive, at least implicitly.

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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:28pm
 
No matter what you two might claim, you cannot disagree with the results from the Survey.  85% of Australians appreciate Multiculturalism.

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Reply #8 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:57pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:26am:
it also makes you wonder why supposedly 85% of australians would support multiculturalism. i think a lot of people just associate it with superficial stuff like chinese new year festivals and more ethnic restaurants around the place, none of which really necessitate an explicit multicultural policy to have (though obviously 'multiculturalism' does facilitiate them). when it comes to actually interacting with ethnics many of that 85% wouldn't be anywhere near as supportive, at least implicitly.


Well said.

The horrors that exist behind the benign face of 'multiculturalism' are never spoken of.

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Reply #9 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:42pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:26am:
it also makes you wonder why supposedly 85% of australians would support multiculturalism. i think a lot of people just associate it with superficial stuff like chinese new year festivals and more ethnic restaurants around the place, none of which really necessitate an explicit multicultural policy to have (though obviously 'multiculturalism' does facilitiate them). when it comes to actually interacting with ethnics many of that 85% wouldn't be anywhere near as supportive, at least implicitly.




Precisely.  It depends on how you frame the question.

'Do you support multiculturalism or would you hunt down all the efniks and deport the lot, pronto' would produce a high level of support. Also, without being clear what exactly is meant by multiculturalism and what supporting it entails, it is hard to know what the '85% supports it' really means.


Asking 'Do you think you can completely transform the demographic make up of Australia and still recognise it as Australia in 50 years time?'  would produce a completely different response from the same people. Replacing English speaking white Australians with Indians, Chinese, Muslim Arabs and Pakistanis and Africans who want to stay Indian, Muslim, African means the country will be transformed beyond recognition.

I have never heard anyone argue that Australia will be improved if it becomes more like India, Pakistan, Iran or Sudan or China and Vietnam.  No doubt Bwian et al will now tell us such things.

Tell us, Bwian, what was the actual question about supporting multiculturalism to which 85% of Australians answered affirmatively? 


Some other questions, also very much worth asking, are from a Granuiad review of Caldwell's book, Reflections on the Revolution in Europe:
Can you have the same Europe with different people?
Why did mass immigration happen when so few people actually wanted it?
Immigrants want a better life but how many of them want a European life?
Why is minority ethnic pride a virtue and European nationalism a sickness?
Is political correctness just fear masquerading as tolerance?

You can substitute Australia for Europe and the questions still stand.

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Reply #10 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:58pm
 
Coral Sea wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:59am:
I have no problem disagreeing with clear majorities.

Wrong is wrong.


Hard data shows that "multiculturalism" (which, today, really means multiracialism) is disastrous.

No one has the right to be wrong.

There are other issues for instance--majorities in most countries oppose atomic energy.

They're wrong, and they should not be listened to.

And given that public opinion is shaped by propaganda, this makes "the will of the people" a dubious concept indeed.


Nope.

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Reply #11 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:32pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
Nope.


Nope is incorrect, Turd.

Can you have the same Australia with different people?
Why did mass immigration happen when so few people actually wanted it?
Immigrants want a better life but how many of them want an Australian life?
Why is minority ethnic pride a virtue and Australian nationalism a sickness?
Is political correctness just fear masquerading as tolerance?


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Reply #12 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:06pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:57pm:
JC Denton wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:26am:
it also makes you wonder why supposedly 85% of australians would support multiculturalism. i think a lot of people just associate it with superficial stuff like chinese new year festivals and more ethnic restaurants around the place, none of which really necessitate an explicit multicultural policy to have (though obviously 'multiculturalism' does facilitiate them). when it comes to actually interacting with ethnics many of that 85% wouldn't be anywhere near as supportive, at least implicitly.


Well said.

The horrors that exist behind the benign face of 'multiculturalism' are never spoken of.



You people do not know Australians of Italian Greek US or Jewish backgrounds ?
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Reply #13 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:11pm
 
Coral Sea wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:59am:
I have no problem disagreeing with clear majorities.

Wrong is wrong.

Hard data shows that "multiculturalism" (which, today, really means multiracialism) is disastrous.

No one has the right to be wrong.

There are other issues for instance--majorities in most countries oppose atomic energy.

They're wrong, and they should not be listened to.

And given that public opinion is shaped by propaganda, this makes "the will of the people" a dubious concept indeed.


Wrong is wrong. 85% believe that you are wrong and they have a point.

Hard data shows that "multiculturalism" (which, today, really means multiracialism) is disastrous.


Poor choice of thing to say just before declaring that "No one has the right to be wrong."

There are other issues for instance--majorities in most countries oppose atomic energy.

They're wrong, and they should not be listened to.


Have they sticky taped Japan back together again yet ?

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Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:32pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
Nope.


Nope is incorrect, Turd.

Can you have the same Australia with different people?


You could have a better Australia, Soren, one where your likes are not welcome with your Xenophobia, Racism and Islamophobia.   Roll Eyes

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Why did mass immigration happen when so few people actually wanted it?


Really?  Evidence, Soren.   I haven't found any online about opposition to Mass Migration after WWII.  Do you have any, at all?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes

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Immigrants want a better life but how many of them want an Australian life?


What is an "Australian life"?   Wearing shorts and a singlet, swilling beer, having a Barbie?  Really?  Personally, I prefer a Multicultural Australian Life.   Where everybody can have the sort of life they want, without your childish whinging and squawking all the time.   Roll Eyes

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Why is minority ethnic pride a virtue and Australian nationalism a sickness?


Why aren't "Ethnics" allowed pride in their inheritance and who said they could not incorporate it into their version of Australian nationalism, Soren?

Your idea of Australian nationalism is actually British nationalism - you can love your foreign monarch, you can play cricket and you can eat your meat and three veg.  According to you, nothing else is allowed.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

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Is political correctness just fear masquerading as tolerance?


Nope.  It is true tolerance.  Something completely alien to your views.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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