greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:58am:



the scandinavian countries tried to promote gender equality.

and with very paradoxical results.

when you make everything equal in terms of gender, then the differences in terms of preference MAXIMISE.

i'll say that again, when you make it totally gender neutral and equal, you get MORE women doing nursing and you get MORE men doing PHYSICS.

we simply like different things.
we have different interests.

so if we make it totally gender neutral in terms of opportunities to care for kids or go to work, men will choose to work and women to look after kids.

i think this is deeply biological .
the surge of oxytocin at childbirth and the bonding is different to male bonding with children.
women are simply better at it.

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Countries with Higher Levels of Gender Equality Show Larger National Sex Differences in Mathematics Anxiety and Relatively Lower Parental Mathematics Valuation for Girls
Gijsbert Stoet  , Drew H. Bailey , Alex M. Moore , David C. Geary
Published: April 21, 2016https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0153857
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Despite international advancements in gender equality across a variety of societal domains, the underrepresentation of girls and women in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) related fields persists. In this study, we explored the possibility that the sex difference in mathematics anxiety contributes to this disparity. More specifically, we tested a number of predictions from the prominent gender stratification model, which is the leading psychological theory of cross-national patterns of sex differences in mathematics anxiety and performance. To this end, we analyzed data from 761,655 15-year old students across 68 nations who participated in the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA). Most importantly and contra predictions, we showed that economically developed and more gender equal countries have a lower overall level of mathematics anxiety, and yet a larger national sex difference in mathematics anxiety relative to less developed countries. Further, although relatively more mothers work in STEM fields in more developed countries, these parents valued, on average, mathematical competence more in their sons than their daughters. The proportion of mothers working in STEM was unrelated to sex differences in mathematics anxiety or performance. We propose that the gender stratification model fails to account for these national patterns and that an alternative model is needed. In the discussion, we suggest how an interaction between socio-cultural values and sex-specific psychological traits can better explain these patterns. We also discuss implications for policies aiming to increase girls’ STEM participation.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 9:21am:


try to focus.

when the scandinavians embarked on arranging their culture so that their were NO differences in nurture (the environment was gender neutral), they expected men and women to equalise in career choice.

but they UNEXPECTANTLY found the opposite.

Women , when treated absolutley equally drifted to the feminine nurturing professions and men drifted to the STEM professions.

we are biologically different and our interests are different.
and when you equalise the environment, the biological differences MAXIMISE

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:38am:


It is irrelevant how much you earn. It is relevant how much you pay for childcare. That should be partially rebated for people who work. Otherwise, children should be given a place to play at workplaces, within reason.

Gordon wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:42am:



for sure Gordon, but its very interesting that women dont want to do those high pressure jobs.

why are most CEO's men?

because a CEO probably has to be working all the time. he probably has to take phone calls at midnight and solve very complex problems, he has to be insane enough to sacrifice everything else to work from the moment he opens his eyes til he drops asleep at midnight.

from a biological POV, a woman can have a baby and thats "creative".

but a man cant.
He has to "create " a company or serve some other function. its why men are tinkerers with cars or liking building things.

we are basicly different.

i am serious when i say we will be seeing womens movement having  "burn your briefcase " celebrations.

women are becoming intensely unhappy with these new roles.
they are deeply resentful of the fact that men are now increasingly spineless and they cant get aroused for these sad pukes.

we shall see masculinity and femininity increasingly go thru a resurgence.

Gordon wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 11:13am:



well thats sad gordon.
i think women are just too sensible to work 80 hours a week and get an ulcer and have a failed relationship with their family , just to get to a position of crushing and brutal responsibility.

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:54am:


Some employers do this. Unfortunately they also have to pay fringe benefits tax which in the end discourages the practice. Go figure.

Setanta wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:41pm:


Ditto.

I took a year off for my first born.