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Re: Not Working Because Childcare Is Too Expensive
Reply #60 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 12:08am

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 10:38pm:

juliar wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 10:24pm:

Oh Gloom and Doom BlackDay your GetUp! inspired HATE Australia Socialist propaganda has been discreetly removed from sight.

Is this a sign you are being viewed as a reactionary plotting to overthrow the elected government ?

Be nice if you could comment on the topic occasionally.

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Reply #61 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 12:10am

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 9:49pm:

Absolutely. That's not they way things are done these days though. You put your olds into aged care and pay for that, put your kids into child care and pay for that so you can do everything but what you should be doing. Looking after your family.

Spot On!

As for the reference to 'old farts' watch where you put your mouth (not you, Setanta) ... some of those are unarmed and dangerous.

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Reply #62 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 4:29am

If the subsidy was removed
If maternity and paternity leave was removed

The market woukd settle down eventually and it would be possible to afford a home on one income
Hell, if people didn't want everything brand new at 20, new car, new house new furniture
And we're willing to make do, as we did, until you were established, there woukd be no problem.

But people now days want it all and they want it now.
But we, who have worked hard and achieved, are now expected to subsidize their greed.

Stop my taxes going to these greedy kids
Give it to the starving pensioners who have worked all their lives.

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Reply #63 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 5:21am

Valkie wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 4:29am:

If the subsidy was removed
If maternity and paternity leave was removed

The market woukd settle down eventually and it would be possible to afford a home on one income
Hell, if people didn't want everything brand new at 20, new car, new house new furniture
And we're willing to make do, as we did, until you were established, there woukd be no problem.

But people now days want it all and they want it now.
But we, who have worked hard and achieved, are now expected to subsidize their greed.

Stop my taxes going to these greedy kids
Give it to the starving pensioners who have worked all their lives.

While I support removing all these subsidies the motivation for women to choose a career as a priority is still there. This means people on the housing market are dual income for the most, people on single incomes will still struggle to buy their aspirational property (People have higher standards).

The child care solution achieves very little in reality even with high fees the industry still struggles to provide places, people do not aspire to work in childcare. A similar problem exists in nursing.

All you are highlighting is the complexity of the problem, while most women choose to be career aspirational demand pressure will continue on childcare places, its also more likely for a childcare worker to be female ..... not a corporate career choice for the majority of women.

I personally oppose social engineering exercise as like the cane toad experiment it always backfires ..... but the reality of government is dealing with peoples life choices.

As for the sexist side of what I have said sorry they have yet figured out how a male can breast feed or get pregnant ! Its biology.

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Re: Not Working Because Childcare Is Too Expensive
Reply #64 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 5:34am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 1:03pm:

Tough - in that case maybe childcare cash should be dropped entirely, including for public servants etc.... and the natural market be guided by family requirements ..... that's resolve unemployment in a heartbeat, and begin the Downfall of some of the social inequalities that have been shoved on this nation by stupid policy directions...

Good to see that at least a few of the Party faithful and families managed to extract a few lazy millions from the childcare fiasco before it reached the reality point where it was seen for what it is - too bloody expensive in every way.

Interesting rant child care is expensive for many reasons but the choice seems pretty clear women want careers more these days and a big chunk of those want children as well.

This is a social trend not a policy direction, without subsidies childcare industry would probably collapse maybe it needs to ?
As for your rant about unemployment in general there is not an unemployment issue, in fact around the major capitals there is a skill shortage, also in NSW with the booming infrastructure projects they are struggling to find all sorts of trades and professions ..... if women decided to not work that would only get worse. You are so off the mark on this point it is laughable. Some suburbs in Sydney have unemployment rates below 2% most economists regard 3% as full employment.

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Reply #65 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 6:54am

It would cost the economy a lot. But we need to make child care a work-related tax expense. Even getting part of the payment back on tax would be enough to get people to work. Would reduce unemployment and create some jobs.

Mum did not work whilst her three children were under the age of preschool. Once my brother started preschool, Mum restarted work. Money started to become more available then.

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Reply #66 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 7:02am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 12:10am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 9:49pm:

Absolutely. That's not they way things are done these days though. You put your olds into aged care and pay for that, put your kids into child care and pay for that so you can do everything but what you should be doing. Looking after your family.

Spot On!

As for the reference to 'old farts' watch where you put your mouth (not you, Setanta) ... some of those are unarmed and dangerous.

Keep yer teeth in ya old bugger and don't forget I'll be dropping the kids off at 9.

Now don't forget they're both vegan, Sarah is glutton free and Jason is corn intolerant.

We're considering transitioning Jason so he's only allowed gender neutral toys and no sugar for either.

Ta

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Re: Not Working Because Childcare Is Too Expensive
Reply #67 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 12:31pm

Valkie wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 4:29am:

If the subsidy was removed
If maternity and paternity leave was removed

The market woukd settle down eventually and it would be possible to afford a home on one income
Hell, if people didn't want everything brand new at 20, new car, new house new furniture
And we're willing to make do, as we did, until you were established, there woukd be no problem.

But people now days want it all and they want it now.
But we, who have worked hard and achieved, are now expected to subsidize their greed.

Stop my taxes going to these greedy kids
Give it to the starving pensioners who have worked all their lives.

We would still have a mountain of red tape and restrictions inflating the price of childcare.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Not Working Because Childcare Is Too Expensive Reply #68 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 4:12pm The Muzzies reckon the childcare system is working very well.
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Not Working Because Childcare Is Too Expensive Reply #69 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 5:08pm If you can't afford to have kids, don't have them.
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Re: Not Working Because Childcare Is Too Expensive
Reply #71 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:38am

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 6:54am:

It would cost the economy a lot. But we need to make child care a work-related tax expense. Even getting part of the payment back on tax would be enough to get people to work. Would reduce unemployment and create some jobs.

Mum did not work whilst her three children were under the age of preschool. Once my brother started preschool, Mum restarted work. Money started to become more available then.

Sounds logical except on low paid jobs were very little tax is paid.

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Reply #72 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:43am

people completely miss the point.
when women entered the workplace EN MASSE, they doubled the labour pool.
and that halves the rate of pay for labour.

the 60's were the time of "burn your bras" and "liberation".
but the next decade will be the time when women "burn their breifcases" and go back to looking after their own dam kids and we will see real wages rise if they do, womens happiness rise if they do and children developing a relationship with their parents and no seeing "the state" as mummy and daddy.
the whole thing has been an evolutionary dead end and it will see a U turn very soon

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Reply #73 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:58am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:43am:

people completely miss the point.
when women entered the workplace EN MASSE, they doubled the labour pool.
and that halves the rate of pay for labour.

the 60's were the time of "burn your bras" and "liberation".
but the next decade will be the time when women "burn their breifcases" and go back to looking after their own dam kids and we will see real wages rise if they do, womens happiness rise if they do and children developing a relationship with their parents and no seeing "the state" as mummy and daddy.
the whole thing has been an evolutionary dead end and it will see a U turn very soon

Why can't men look after the kids?

I'm curious.

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Re: Not Working Because Childcare Is Too Expensive
Reply #74 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 8:03am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:43am:

people completely miss the point.
when women entered the workplace EN MASSE, they doubled the labour pool.
and that halves the rate of pay for labour.

the 60's were the time of "burn your bras" and "liberation".
but the next decade will be the time when women "burn their breifcases" and go back to looking after their own dam kids and we will see real wages rise if they do, womens happiness rise if they do and children developing a relationship with their parents and no seeing "the state" as mummy and daddy.
the whole thing has been an evolutionary dead end and it will see a U turn very soon

Very Rubbery figures not all women stay in the work force and it did not happen in one go as your suggesting.

The reality especially in major capitals there is a labour shortage but a lot of it is skills based and areas like trades which women generally don't chose to enter ...... that is all moot the social trend (like it or not) women who have kids miss working .... some don't but combine that with cost pressures the outcome is more women are working these days. Its not going to change so the challenge for a government is how to deal with that !

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