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Reply #45 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:42am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 7:17pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 4:59pm:
If you cant afford to have children and look after them yourself......don't have kids.

My wife looked after our kids right up until they could look after themselves.

I resent paying taxes to be wasted on giving money to women who think they are too important to look after their own kids.

CUT all child care subsidy, let the centers close down and women will have to bring up the kids themselves.

Perhaps the kids will grow up better mannered and not such a bunch of losers.

With the cost of living these days, without some form of subsidy, people could have jobs or kids but not both.

If not enough people can afford to have kids, the tax base must collapse eventually. Today's kids are tomorrow's taxpayers. No kids today means no taxpayers tomorrow.

From the people I know that use childcare services they really don't do it for the money its more about keeping their career current and active. If they drop out of the work force its harder to get back in.

Given the numbers I have heard its not easy to keep a lid on costs for an industry that seems to struggle to keep up with demand in a regulated industry ...... loosening regulations is one option but that would create other problems.
Easy to talk about harder to come up with real answers.
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Reply #46 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 8:20am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 10:52pm:
crocodile wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 10:24pm:
Bam wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 7:17pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 4:59pm:
If you cant afford to have children and look after them yourself......don't have kids.

My wife looked after our kids right up until they could look after themselves.

I resent paying taxes to be wasted on giving money to women who think they are too important to look after their own kids.

CUT all child care subsidy, let the centers close down and women will have to bring up the kids themselves.

Perhaps the kids will grow up better mannered and not such a bunch of losers.

With the cost of living these days, without some form of subsidy, people could have jobs or kids but not both.

If not enough people can afford to have kids, the tax base must collapse eventually. Today's kids are tomorrow's taxpayers. No kids today means no taxpayers tomorrow.


Subsidies only push demand. It is a supply side problem. Way back in 2004 and despite his considerable flaws, Latham pointed this out when Howard first detailed the 30% rebate and put forward policies to attack the supply issues. Unfortunately, it died with his demise and Rudd decided to increase the rebate to 50%. Wanker.

A Job Guarantee may reduce child care costs if looking after someone else's kids was a possible occupation. $200 to $250 a week per child, look after 3 of someone else's children and that would earn enough for someone to get by. This would work best if the parents knew each other well, such as family or close friends.

This isn't feasible at the moment due to excessive regulation.




Yeah that 'regulation' is to stop useless fkktards from looking after other people's children.

If you don't want proper child care and the costs that go with that, leave your kids with a random stranger off the street for $5 per hour and see how that works out.



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Reply #47 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:03pm
 
Tough - in that case maybe childcare cash should be dropped entirely, including for public servants etc.... and the natural market be guided by family requirements ..... that's resolve unemployment in a heartbeat, and begin the Downfall of some of the social inequalities that have been shoved on this nation by stupid policy directions...

Good to see that at least a few of the Party faithful and families managed to extract a few lazy millions from the childcare fiasco before it reached the reality point where it was seen for what it is - too bloody expensive in every way.
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Reply #48 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:12pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:03pm:
Tough - in that case maybe childcare cash should be dropped entirely, including for public servants etc.... and the natural market be guided by family requirements ..... that's resolve unemployment in a heartbeat, and begin the Downfall of some of the social inequalities that have been shoved on this nation by stupid policy directions...

Good to see that at least a few of the Party faithful and families managed to extract a few lazy millions from the childcare fiasco before it reached the reality point where it was seen for what it is - too bloody expensive in every way.


Just leave them at home with a pack of fruitloops sprinkled around the house, the TV on with a loop of PlaysKoOl and a few devices with webcams so you can keep an eye on them.

If you get caught the fine from DOCS would be what, $2000??  At $150 a day saved you'd be miles in front.
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Reply #49 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:57pm
 
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:42am:
From the people I know that use childcare services they really don't do it for the money its more about keeping their career current and active. If they drop out of the work force its harder to get back in.

This would be less of a problem once people realise that gaps in working history are not unusual, rather than an excuse for discrimination and victimisation.

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:42am:
Given the numbers I have heard its not easy to keep a lid on costs for an industry that seems to struggle to keep up with demand in a regulated industry ...... loosening regulations is one option but that would create other problems.
Easy to talk about harder to come up with real answers.

These problems need to be discussed. Some regulation is needed, but regulations that don't allow people to claim rebates for private childcare arrangements only constrain demand.

We need to consider alternatives, including the radical alternative of scrapping childcare rebates entirely and redirecting the money into reducing other costs for parents.
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Reply #50 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:58pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:12pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:03pm:
Tough - in that case maybe childcare cash should be dropped entirely, including for public servants etc.... and the natural market be guided by family requirements ..... that's resolve unemployment in a heartbeat, and begin the Downfall of some of the social inequalities that have been shoved on this nation by stupid policy directions...

Good to see that at least a few of the Party faithful and families managed to extract a few lazy millions from the childcare fiasco before it reached the reality point where it was seen for what it is - too bloody expensive in every way.


Just leave them at home with a pack of fruitloops sprinkled around the house, the TV on with a loop of PlaysKoOl and a few devices with webcams so you can keep an eye on them.

If you get caught the fine from DOCS would be what, $2000??  At $150 a day saved you'd be miles in front.

You have a rather unorthodox approach to parenting.
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Reply #51 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:36pm
 
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Reply #52 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:38pm
 
The government has made childcare a lot more expensive by wrapping it in red tape. Then they pushed costs up even higher by subsidising it.
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Reply #53 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:41pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:58pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:12pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:03pm:
Tough - in that case maybe childcare cash should be dropped entirely, including for public servants etc.... and the natural market be guided by family requirements ..... that's resolve unemployment in a heartbeat, and begin the Downfall of some of the social inequalities that have been shoved on this nation by stupid policy directions...

Good to see that at least a few of the Party faithful and families managed to extract a few lazy millions from the childcare fiasco before it reached the reality point where it was seen for what it is - too bloody expensive in every way.


Just leave them at home with a pack of fruitloops sprinkled around the house, the TV on with a loop of PlaysKoOl and a few devices with webcams so you can keep an eye on them.

If you get caught the fine from DOCS would be what, $2000??  At $150 a day saved you'd be miles in front.

You have a rather unorthodox approach to parenting.


I know. Fruitloops have way too much sugar.
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Reply #54 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:41pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:42am:
From the people I know that use childcare services they really don't do it for the money its more about keeping their career current and active. If they drop out of the work force its harder to get back in.

This would be less of a problem once people realise that gaps in working history are not unusual, rather than an excuse for discrimination and victimisation.

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:42am:
Given the numbers I have heard its not easy to keep a lid on costs for an industry that seems to struggle to keep up with demand in a regulated industry ...... loosening regulations is one option but that would create other problems.
Easy to talk about harder to come up with real answers.

These problems need to be discussed. Some regulation is needed, but regulations that don't allow people to claim rebates for private childcare arrangements only constrain demand.

We need to consider alternatives, including the radical alternative of scrapping childcare rebates entirely and redirecting the money into reducing other costs for parents.


We didn't have grandparents to help us as they live in WA. My sister used my parents as unpaid childcare.
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Reply #55 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:45pm
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Bam wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:42am:
From the people I know that use childcare services they really don't do it for the money its more about keeping their career current and active. If they drop out of the work force its harder to get back in.

This would be less of a problem once people realise that gaps in working history are not unusual, rather than an excuse for discrimination and victimisation.

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:42am:
Given the numbers I have heard its not easy to keep a lid on costs for an industry that seems to struggle to keep up with demand in a regulated industry ...... loosening regulations is one option but that would create other problems.
Easy to talk about harder to come up with real answers.

These problems need to be discussed. Some regulation is needed, but regulations that don't allow people to claim rebates for private childcare arrangements only constrain demand.

We need to consider alternatives, including the radical alternative of scrapping childcare rebates entirely and redirecting the money into reducing other costs for parents.


We didn't have grandparents to help us as they live in WA. My sister used my parents as unpaid childcare.


All those old farts sitting around rotting away in nursing homes, I see them as an underutilized resource.    Grin
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Reply #56 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:49pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Bam wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:42am:
From the people I know that use childcare services they really don't do it for the money its more about keeping their career current and active. If they drop out of the work force its harder to get back in.

This would be less of a problem once people realise that gaps in working history are not unusual, rather than an excuse for discrimination and victimisation.

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:42am:
Given the numbers I have heard its not easy to keep a lid on costs for an industry that seems to struggle to keep up with demand in a regulated industry ...... loosening regulations is one option but that would create other problems.
Easy to talk about harder to come up with real answers.

These problems need to be discussed. Some regulation is needed, but regulations that don't allow people to claim rebates for private childcare arrangements only constrain demand.

We need to consider alternatives, including the radical alternative of scrapping childcare rebates entirely and redirecting the money into reducing other costs for parents.


We didn't have grandparents to help us as they live in WA. My sister used my parents as unpaid childcare.


All those old farts sitting around rotting away in nursing homes, I see them as an underutilized resource.    Grin


Absolutely. That's not they way things are done these days though. You put your olds into aged care and pay for that, put your kids into child care and pay for that so you can do everything but what you should be doing. Looking after your family.
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Reply #57 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:03pm
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Bam wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:42am:
From the people I know that use childcare services they really don't do it for the money its more about keeping their career current and active. If they drop out of the work force its harder to get back in.

This would be less of a problem once people realise that gaps in working history are not unusual, rather than an excuse for discrimination and victimisation.

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:42am:
Given the numbers I have heard its not easy to keep a lid on costs for an industry that seems to struggle to keep up with demand in a regulated industry ...... loosening regulations is one option but that would create other problems.
Easy to talk about harder to come up with real answers.

These problems need to be discussed. Some regulation is needed, but regulations that don't allow people to claim rebates for private childcare arrangements only constrain demand.

We need to consider alternatives, including the radical alternative of scrapping childcare rebates entirely and redirecting the money into reducing other costs for parents.


We didn't have grandparents to help us as they live in WA. My sister used my parents as unpaid childcare.


All those old farts sitting around rotting away in nursing homes, I see them as an underutilized resource.    Grin


Absolutely. That's not they way things are done these days though. You put your olds into aged care and pay for that, put your kids into child care and pay for that so you can do everything but what you should be doing. Looking after your family.



We're just taking the financial hit losing one income this time and not doing childcare until he's about 3, then just 2 days a week.

I reckon more small operation childcare is the go. Let the semi retired old duck down the road get the background checks and a few other certs and they can make some money.

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Reply #58 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:24pm
 
Oh Gloom and Doom BlackDay your GetUp! inspired HATE Australia Socialist propaganda has been discreetly removed from sight.

Is this a sign you are being viewed as a reactionary plotting to overthrow the elected government ?
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Reply #59 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:38pm
 
juliar wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:24pm:
Oh Gloom and Doom BlackDay your GetUp! inspired HATE Australia Socialist propaganda has been discreetly removed from sight.

Is this a sign you are being viewed as a reactionary plotting to overthrow the elected government ?


Be nice if you could comment on the topic occasionally.
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