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Reply #45 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 11:07pm
 
I want the moderators' feedback on this.

Here is the relevant part of my post (irrelevant context in a long post has been deleted for the sake of brevity):

Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
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Your habit of selectively quote parts of posts and deleting questions you find inconvenient is proof enough that you refuse to discuss inconvenient topics:

Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 8:24am:
Tell me again which is the only major party opposing a Federal anti-corruption commission?


What's the matter, Liberal fanboi, don't like having the Liberals' corruption exposed to scrutiny?
[snip]


Here is what was quoted in lee's response - again, irrelevant context deleted:

lee wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
[snip]
Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
Your habit of selectively quote parts of posts


If they are the only part of a post I disagree with; why  paste it all?

Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
What's the matter, Liberal fanboi, don't like having the Liberals' corruption exposed to scrutiny?

[snip]


As can be seen here, lee has chosen to delete parts of sentences and has altered substantially the meaning of the original text before responding. This is not an accident; he has done it before.

What are the moderators' views on this kind of posting conduct?
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Reply #46 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 1:06am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 11:07pm:
I want the moderators' feedback on this.

Here is the relevant part of my post (irrelevant context in a long post has been deleted for the sake of brevity):

Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
[snip]
Your habit of selectively quote parts of posts and deleting questions you find inconvenient is proof enough that you refuse to discuss inconvenient topics:

Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 8:24am:
Tell me again which is the only major party opposing a Federal anti-corruption commission?


What's the matter, Liberal fanboi, don't like having the Liberals' corruption exposed to scrutiny?
[snip]


Here is what was quoted in lee's response - again, irrelevant context deleted:

lee wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
[snip]
Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
Your habit of selectively quote parts of posts


If they are the only part of a post I disagree with; why  paste it all?

Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
What's the matter, Liberal fanboi, don't like having the Liberals' corruption exposed to scrutiny?

[snip]


As can be seen here, lee has chosen to delete parts of sentences and has altered substantially the meaning of the original text before responding. This is not an accident; he has done it before.

What are the moderators' views on this kind of posting conduct?


I think it's been made clear Bam. Don't change sentences, if that has been the case, post "this is what it was" and "this is what it is now" and send it to a mod with a link to the posts. I have no inclination to decipher your post above.

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Reply #47 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 9:32pm
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:33pm:
I have seen people disingenuously say they use the strike through form of censorship to just highlight what they wish to respond to yet they strike through whole posts and make no comment in response.   Just a quote of a post which is all struck through.    Which makes this a lie.

The only reason to use the strike through form of censorship is to try to negate, demean and diminish another poster's thoughts and words and I cannot see how this is a positive thing.

Nor can I see why it is condoned and/or encouraged.   It is not a form of discussion as all it serves to do is stop discussion dead in its tracks and sideline in to disruption and derailment of threads.

It's a totally ignorant and negative thing.


It's either that or they will be editing your posts to misrepresent.
The point of it being that the reader can see what was originally posted, they can make up their minds about the way/reason a person edits the post. Rather than complaining, people should be happy their words are still there to be read by other posters
and their words are not changed to misrepresent what they said. In an ideal world this would not be necessary but we have some posters that just love to misrepresent others they disagree with rather than have a rational discussion.



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I wholeheartedly agree.......
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(Would the above quoting technique be acceptable, making the part I am agreeing to stand out amongst the "other" text, while leaving the "other" text there to be readable & interpreted by subsequent readers?

Is that in the spirit of your posts)

PS.....I hope you concur, that this technique can also be used, because I cant get my head around using the strike-through, for IMHO it shows complete disdain for the original poster, & extremely disrespectful when used like GrPecca does. I know I'm not alone in that opinion.

Whatever.......I will comply to whatever is acceptable to yourself & the powers that be, as I wish to remain in good standing.


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Reply #48 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:53pm
 
Panther wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 9:32pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:33pm:
I have seen people disingenuously say they use the strike through form of censorship to just highlight what they wish to respond to yet they strike through whole posts and make no comment in response.   Just a quote of a post which is all struck through.    Which makes this a lie.

The only reason to use the strike through form of censorship is to try to negate, demean and diminish another poster's thoughts and words and I cannot see how this is a positive thing.

Nor can I see why it is condoned and/or encouraged.   It is not a form of discussion as all it serves to do is stop discussion dead in its tracks and sideline in to disruption and derailment of threads.

It's a totally ignorant and negative thing.


It's either that or they will be editing your posts to misrepresent.
The point of it being that the reader can see what was originally posted, they can make up their minds about the way/reason a person edits the post. Rather than complaining, people should be happy their words are still there to be read by other posters
and their words are not changed to misrepresent what they said. In an ideal world this would not be necessary but we have some posters that just love to misrepresent others they disagree with rather than have a rational discussion.



@
Setanta
    
I wholeheartedly agree.......
  Wink

(Would the above quoting technique be acceptable, making the part I am agreeing to stand out amongst the "other" text, while leaving the "other" text there to be readable & interpreted by subsequent readers?

Is that in the spirit of your posts)

PS.....I hope you concur, that this technique can also be used, because I cant get my head around using the strike-through, for IMHO it shows complete disdain for the original poster, & extremely disrespectful when used like GrPecca does. I know I'm not alone in that opinion.

Whatever.......I will comply to whatever is acceptable to yourself & the powers that be, as I wish to remain in good standing.


..



Of course if no text was changed or words omitted from sentences.
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Reply #49 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:38am
 
It just encourages the well known trolls who because they think defacing and defiling another poster's post by crossing out is a "clever" rather small minded childish way of trying to put down and annoy the other poster.

It is blatantly illegal as it illegally misquotes the other poster as the illegal defaced defiled post clearly says the previous poster posted this which they did not.

Doing the same thing to the trolls just inflames them to repeat their recidivist deliberately disruptive illegal behavior as they see it as a way of becoming the center of attention.

A troll is really a child's mind in an adult body.
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Reply #50 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 6:11pm
 
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lee wrote Today at 4:05pm:
HMM.i think there is something about modifying people's posts. About it being forbidden. But I could be wrong.


Well, with Set gone, there's no one to enforce this rule, so I guess it's permissible then.

I did this to FD yesterday and nothing happened, so I'm going to interpret inaction as permissiveness.
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Reply #51 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 6:20pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 16th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
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Reply #72 - Today at 4:06pm Quote
lee wrote Today at 4:05pm:
HMM.i think there is something about modifying people's posts. About it being forbidden. But I could be wrong.


Well, with Set gone, there's no one to enforce this rule, so I guess it's permissible then.

I did this to FD yesterday and nothing happened, so I'm going to interpret inaction as permissiveness.


Yes, that did breach the protocols as we knew them.....but FD has not replaced Setanta and Vic is very sporadic.  It does not help that he also uses the PM block facility so he cannot be made aware of issues.

Que sera sera.
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Reply #52 - Oct 21st, 2018 at 12:20pm
 
Editing other poster's posts is now acceptable and permissible given that there is no one to enforce this provision. I did this with FD and lee and there were no consequences.

In order to show some restraint, I'm going to allow editing other posters' posts on one condition:

i) where the poster doesn't directly answer the question asked by another poster, or where said poster refuses to answer by using evasive techniques.

For e.g. let's look at this hypothetical dialogue:

Auggie: "Cu, do you support Yadda's proposal for administrative detention of Muslims who are Australian citizens?"

Cu: "I'm surprised that you even pay attention to Yadda's posts"

Auggie: "So is that a yes?"

Cu: (no reply).

Auggie: "Cu: 'Yes, I support Yadda's proposal.'"

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In this circumstance, it's completely permissible because a poster has failed to answer a question when they engaging in discussion. This policy will encourage people to be more honest in the answers, and to allow honest posters to conclude debates and discussion.



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Reply #53 - Oct 21st, 2018 at 12:45pm
 
Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 12:20pm:
Editing other poster's posts is now acceptable and permissible given that there is no one to enforce this provision. I did this with FD and lee and there were no consequences.

In order to show some restraint, I'm going to allow editing other posters' posts on one condition:

i) where the poster doesn't directly answer the question asked by another poster, or where said poster refuses to answer by using evasive techniques.

For e.g. let's look at this hypothetical dialogue:

Auggie: "Cu, do you support Yadda's proposal for administrative detention of Muslims who are Australian citizens?"

Cu: "I'm surprised that you even pay attention to Yadda's posts"

Auggie: "So is that a yes?"

Cu: (no reply).

Auggie: "Cu: 'Yes, I support Yadda's proposal.'"

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In this circumstance, it's completely permissible because a poster has failed to answer a question when they engaging in discussion. This policy will encourage people to be more honest in the answers, and to allow honest posters to conclude debates and discussion.


So you get to answer for other posters by editing their posts and you see this as acceptable?
In that exchange, you got your answer. I am not bound to answer as you see fit but how I see fit.
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Reply #54 - Oct 21st, 2018 at 1:45pm
 
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 12:20pm:
Editing other poster's posts is now acceptable and permissible given that there is no one to enforce this provision. I did this with FD and lee and there were no consequences.

In order to show some restraint, I'm going to allow editing other posters' posts on one condition:

i) where the poster doesn't directly answer the question asked by another poster, or where said poster refuses to answer by using evasive techniques.

For e.g. let's look at this hypothetical dialogue:

Auggie: "Cu, do you support Yadda's proposal for administrative detention of Muslims who are Australian citizens?"

Cu: "I'm surprised that you even pay attention to Yadda's posts"

Auggie: "So is that a yes?"

Cu: (no reply).

Auggie: "Cu: 'Yes, I support Yadda's proposal.'"

---
In this circumstance, it's completely permissible because a poster has failed to answer a question when they engaging in discussion. This policy will encourage people to be more honest in the answers, and to allow honest posters to conclude debates and discussion.


So you get to answer for other posters by editing their posts and you see this as acceptable?
In that exchange, you got your answer. I am not bound to answer as you see fit but how I see fit.


Then you accept that I can edit your posts.

Thanks!

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I, Cu, am racist, homophobe, bigot and I support the extermination of Muslims in Australia.

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Reply #55 - Oct 21st, 2018 at 1:51pm
 
How about the ding dong that crosses out my "spot"?

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Reply #56 - Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:03pm
 
Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 12:20pm:
Editing other poster's posts is now acceptable and permissible given that there is no one to enforce this provision. I did this with FD and lee and there were no consequences.

In order to show some restraint, I'm going to allow editing other posters' posts on one condition:

i) where the poster doesn't directly answer the question asked by another poster, or where said poster refuses to answer by using evasive techniques.

For e.g. let's look at this hypothetical dialogue:

Auggie: "Cu, do you support Yadda's proposal for administrative detention of Muslims who are Australian citizens?"

Cu: "I'm surprised that you even pay attention to Yadda's posts"

Auggie: "So is that a yes?"

Cu: (no reply).

Auggie: "Cu: 'Yes, I support Yadda's proposal.'"

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In this circumstance, it's completely permissible because a poster has failed to answer a question when they engaging in discussion. This policy will encourage people to be more honest in the answers, and to allow honest posters to conclude debates and discussion.


So you get to answer for other posters by editing their posts and you see this as acceptable?
In that exchange, you got your answer. I am not bound to answer as you see fit but how I see fit.


Then you accept that I can edit your posts.

Thanks!

Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 12:45pm:
I, Cu, am racist, homophobe, bigot and I support the extermination of Muslims in Australia.



Now you put words in my mouth? Where did I say that I accept you can do it?
If you can show any post I have ever made that is anything like what you have posted I would appreciate it. Thanks for showing us your superior debating skills and integrity. You are certainly a man of quality.

I'll leave this here as feedback is not the place for it.
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Reply #57 - Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:19pm
 
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:03pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 12:20pm:
Editing other poster's posts is now acceptable and permissible given that there is no one to enforce this provision. I did this with FD and lee and there were no consequences.

In order to show some restraint, I'm going to allow editing other posters' posts on one condition:

i) where the poster doesn't directly answer the question asked by another poster, or where said poster refuses to answer by using evasive techniques.

For e.g. let's look at this hypothetical dialogue:

Auggie: "Cu, do you support Yadda's proposal for administrative detention of Muslims who are Australian citizens?"

Cu: "I'm surprised that you even pay attention to Yadda's posts"

Auggie: "So is that a yes?"

Cu: (no reply).

Auggie: "Cu: 'Yes, I support Yadda's proposal.'"

---
In this circumstance, it's completely permissible because a poster has failed to answer a question when they engaging in discussion. This policy will encourage people to be more honest in the answers, and to allow honest posters to conclude debates and discussion.


So you get to answer for other posters by editing their posts and you see this as acceptable?
In that exchange, you got your answer. I am not bound to answer as you see fit but how I see fit.


Then you accept that I can edit your posts.

Thanks!

Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 12:45pm:
I, Cu, am racist, homophobe, bigot and I support the extermination of Muslims in Australia.



Now you put words in my mouth? Where did I say that I accept you can do it?
If you can show any post I have ever made that is anything like what you have posted I would appreciate it. Thanks for showing us your superior debating skills and integrity. You are certainly a man of quality.

I'll leave this here as feedback is not the place for it.


What's more quality: evading an answer or stating a position that a person holds?

Try again:

"Do you support Yadda's proposal for administrative detention of Muslims in Australia?

Yes or no will suffice.

Hint: you can end this straightaway by just simply 'lying' and answering 'no'.

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Reply #58 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:39pm
 
Vic???????
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Reply #59 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:43pm
 
If I see the strike through I delete the post, if I catch it in time.

Its only done to troll and annoy people, adds nothing to a debate.

I must admit I have not checked for changing the content, but if I find it I will delete that post also.
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