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Power failures Victoria, cost blowouts
Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:40am

Premier Andrews has delivered the Perfect Storm for Victoria

This is what you get when you shut down coal fired Power Stations..outages and plenty of them

The price of Electricity has doubled in Victoria in the last 12 months

And with the heatwave the grid collapsed outing 60,0000 homes

Well done Andrews you are sending Victoria to the wall

On the bright side I guess the African gangs wouldn't have minded the heat Cool

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Reply #1 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:51am

red baron wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:40am:

Premier Andrews has delivered the Perfect Storm for Victoria

This is what you get when you shut down coal fired Power Stations..outages and plenty of them

The price of Electricity has doubled in Victoria in the last 12 months

And with the heatwave the grid collapsed outing 60,0000 homes

Well done Andrews you are sending Victoria to the wall

On the bright side I guess the African gangs wouldn't have minded the heat Cool

Good on ya Reddy. Might pay to understand what went on down there first. There was plenty of spare generation capacity but no means to deliver it. That bit was privatised years ago.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Reply #2 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 8:36am

SA must have been shaking noticeably as they are totally dependent on Primary Power from Victorian coal fields.

So if Victoria sneezes then SA catches a cold.

The Greenies must be thrilled at how their sabotage is wrecking the Australian power network.

Melbourne: 42,000 homes in dark, no fans left at Kmart. Power outages due to “secret” air conditioners?
January 29th, 2018

Melbourne Skyline at night…Image: Alfred Glickman

The temperature reached 38C in Melbourne (100F) on Sunday — something it has probably done most summers since 10,000BC.

CitiPower, Powercor and the United Energy spokeswoman Emma Tyner said that as of 9.25pm, about 41,190 homes were without power across those three networks. – Sydney Morning Herald

Now why would that be? Ms Tyner puts a lack of supply in the nicest possible way:
“The extreme heat has significantly increased electricity use and this has resulted in localised power outages,” Ms Tyner said.

It’s not that governments didn’t plan energy policy — it’s the users who wanted too much (i.e your fault.) Though Victorians used to use more power than this. On Sunday, peak electricity demand was 9,124MW, about 13% less than the all time peak of 10,496MW in 2009. (In case you are wondering, Hazelwood (now closed) produced 1600MW or about 25% of Victorian baseload power.)

Mr Armstrong from Ausnet Services (another power company) blamed unreported air conditioners:
“There are a lot fuses blowing in the hot weather and a significant power pull with people having put in air-conditioners they didn’t tell us about,” Mr Armstrong said. — The Age

Who knew you needed to tell your power company when you put in an air conditioner?
Gone are the days when people could willy-nilly run down to Retrovision and just buy an air con.

Ms Tyner and Mr Armstrong may have inadvertently let the cat out of the bag. Perhaps they will get quiet reeducation tomorrow on how to phrase the cause of blackouts. (Aren’t they due to old coal turbines breaking?)

Next, expect people to start saying how normal it is to have blackouts on hot days. “It’s just a part of life.”

If only the same people would say that about hot days.

You know things are serious when Kmart runs out of fans.
A Kmart in Northcote on Sunday has completely sold out of all cooling devices, from fans to air-conditioning units, its duty manager said.

So no willy-nilly fan buying either.

Tonight some people have fans, but no electricity. Others have electricity but no fans.

Others have electricity and fans, but no money. Luckily electricity “only” reached a peak of $3,125 per MWh briefly in Victoria. (Only a few million extra).

Pollies play blackout roulette
Robert Gottleibsen, a week ago:

Welcome to Australia’s deadly game of Melbourne and Sydney blackout roulette. The stakes involve hundreds of millions of dollars of refrigerated food and the operations of thousands of factories and offices who don’t have emergency power contingencies in place.

…Victoria took longer than NSW to wake up but it too has been working hard to reduce the risk of blackouts. For the most part, both states are borrowing ideas from third world countries by getting industry and consumers to cut back on power usage when days are hot. In addition, those organisations with back up power (like phone companies) are being asked to use it so as to cut demand and, if possible, put power back into the grid. Accordingly, highly polluting diesel becomes the saviour.

Could someone teach editors what “record-breaking” means?
Last night the minimum was 22.8C in Melbourne. Tonight was forecast to be 28C. If the Bureau are right, it won’t be close to breaking the record. (UPDATE: It ended up being 27.5C min)

–The Sydney Morning Herald

Close to record-breaking heat
While it is not quite a record, Melbourne has come close to the hottest-ever January overnight temperature of 30.6 degrees.

Melbourne has reached that record twice since records began, once in 1902 and again in 2010.

The good news is that the other 1.5 million homes still have electricity. Though the United Energy Outage Map keeps going out itself.

The Ausnet Outage Map has a popup note: due to the large number of outages power may not get restored til Monday morning.

h/t Dave B, Yonniestone,
Melbourne: 42,000 homes in dark, no fans left at Kmart. Power outages due to "secret" air conditioners?, 9.3 out of 10 based on 90 ratings

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/01/melbourne-42000-homes-in-dark-no-fans-left-at-k...

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Re: Power failures Victoria, cost blowouts
Reply #3 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 9:46am

red baron wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:40am:

Premier Andrews has delivered the Perfect Storm for Victoria

This is what you get when you shut down coal fired Power Stations..outages and plenty of them

The price of Electricity has doubled in Victoria in the last 12 months

And with the heatwave the grid collapsed outing 60,0000 homes

Well done Andrews you are sending Victoria to the wall

On the bright side I guess the African gangs wouldn't have minded the heat Cool

Is this what all those greenie types wanted, intermittent power?

Maybe not having base load power available when you need it, isn't as much fun as those numpties first thought. Grin

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 80215 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Power failures Victoria, cost blowouts Reply #4 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 10:03am So much for the 'efficiency' of a 'privatised' industry..... same sh!t, different day... and all for double or triple your money!! Good work if you can get it....
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16405 Gender:	Re: Power failures Victoria, cost blowouts Reply #5 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 10:18am So much for "gold-plating" of the network, that was always screamed about as adding unnecessary cost.
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Re: Power failures Victoria, cost blowouts
Reply #6 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:21pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 9:46am:

red baron wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:40am:

Premier Andrews has delivered the Perfect Storm for Victoria

This is what you get when you shut down coal fired Power Stations..outages and plenty of them

The price of Electricity has doubled in Victoria in the last 12 months

And with the heatwave the grid collapsed outing 60,0000 homes

Well done Andrews you are sending Victoria to the wall

On the bright side I guess the African gangs wouldn't have minded the heat Cool

Is this what all those greenie types wanted, intermittent power?

Maybe not having base load power available when you need it, isn't as much fun as those numpties first thought. Grin

The Greenis didn't support the privatisation of the state owned electricity generation and distribution assets. This falls in the lap of the Kennet government. Lou Yang A and B, Yallourn and Hazelwood were all sold to different interests and the distribution network sold separately again.

Since then, not one single kJ of capacity has been added by these new owners. Seems like it was purchased only for the recurrent revenue stream until it reaches end of life. At that point, see ya later. If you want more elictrickery, build us another will ya.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Reply #7 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:24pm

crocodile wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:51am:

red baron wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:40am:

Premier Andrews has delivered the Perfect Storm for Victoria

This is what you get when you shut down coal fired Power Stations..outages and plenty of them

The price of Electricity has doubled in Victoria in the last 12 months

And with the heatwave the grid collapsed outing 60,0000 homes

Well done Andrews you are sending Victoria to the wall

On the bright side I guess the African gangs wouldn't have minded the heat Cool

Good on ya Reddy. Might pay to understand what went on down there first. There was plenty of spare generation capacity but no means to deliver it. That bit was privatised years ago.

Yes it was, by Liberal Premier Jeff Kennet. As you say Croc, their was plenty of generation available, we were actually exporting to Tasmania, but because the network operators spend so little on maintenance, parts of the distribution network went bums up.

This is going to be the fate of NSW under the good ship Liberal up there as well Red. Another disaster to hand over to Labor to fix

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Reply #8 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:26pm

Apart from the fact that this thread probably should be moved to Victoria, I am glad that most of these coalition supporters like juliar and baron don't live in victoria. The mistruths and lies they sprout would not be in victorians' best interests.

The truth of the matter is what AEMO stated. And they have stated it has nothing to do with supply.

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Reply #9 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:30pm

juliar wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 8:36am:

SA must have been shaking noticeably as they are totally dependent on Primary Power from Victorian coal fields.

So if Victoria sneezes then SA catches a cold.

The Greenies must be thrilled at how their sabotage is wrecking the Australian power network.

Melbourne: 42,000 homes in dark, no fans left at Kmart. Power outages due to “secret” air conditioners?
January 29th, 2018

https://s3.amazonaws.com/jo.nova/photo/man-made/building/skyscraper/melbourne_ni...
Melbourne Skyline at night…Image: Alfred Glickman

The temperature reached 38C in Melbourne (100F) on Sunday — something it has probably done most summers since 10,000BC.

CitiPower, Powercor and the United Energy spokeswoman Emma Tyner said that as of 9.25pm, about 41,190 homes were without power across those three networks. – Sydney Morning Herald

Now why would that be? Ms Tyner puts a lack of supply in the nicest possible way:
“The extreme heat has significantly increased electricity use and this has resulted in localised power outages,” Ms Tyner said.

It’s not that governments didn’t plan energy policy — it’s the users who wanted too much (i.e your fault.) Though Victorians used to use more power than this. On Sunday, peak electricity demand was 9,124MW, about 13% less than the all time peak of 10,496MW in 2009. (In case you are wondering, Hazelwood (now closed) produced 1600MW or about 25% of Victorian baseload power.)

Mr Armstrong from Ausnet Services (another power company) blamed unreported air conditioners:
“There are a lot fuses blowing in the hot weather and a significant power pull with people having put in air-conditioners they didn’t tell us about,” Mr Armstrong said. — The Age

Who knew you needed to tell your power company when you put in an air conditioner?
Gone are the days when people could willy-nilly run down to Retrovision and just buy an air con.

Ms Tyner and Mr Armstrong may have inadvertently let the cat out of the bag. Perhaps they will get quiet reeducation tomorrow on how to phrase the cause of blackouts. (Aren’t they due to old coal turbines breaking?)

Next, expect people to start saying how normal it is to have blackouts on hot days. “It’s just a part of life.”

If only the same people would say that about hot days.

You know things are serious when Kmart runs out of fans.
A Kmart in Northcote on Sunday has completely sold out of all cooling devices, from fans to air-conditioning units, its duty manager said.

So no willy-nilly fan buying either.

Tonight some people have fans, but no electricity. Others have electricity but no fans.

Others have electricity and fans, but no money. Luckily electricity “only” reached a peak of $3,125 per MWh briefly in Victoria. (Only a few million extra).

Pollies play blackout roulette
Robert Gottleibsen, a week ago:

Welcome to Australia’s deadly game of Melbourne and Sydney blackout roulette. The stakes involve hundreds of millions of dollars of refrigerated food and the operations of thousands of factories and offices who don’t have emergency power contingencies in place.

…Victoria took longer than NSW to wake up but it too has been working hard to reduce the risk of blackouts. For the most part, both states are borrowing ideas from third world countries by getting industry and consumers to cut back on power usage when days are hot. In addition, those organisations with back up power (like phone companies) are being asked to use it so as to cut demand and, if possible, put power back into the grid. Accordingly, highly polluting diesel becomes the saviour.

Could someone teach editors what “record-breaking” means?
Last night the minimum was 22.8C in Melbourne. Tonight was forecast to be 28C. If the Bureau are right, it won’t be close to breaking the record. (UPDATE: It ended up being 27.5C min)

–The Sydney Morning Herald

Close to record-breaking heat
While it is not quite a record, Melbourne has come close to the hottest-ever January overnight temperature of 30.6 degrees.

Melbourne has reached that record twice since records began, once in 1902 and again in 2010.

The good news is that the other 1.5 million homes still have electricity. Though the United Energy Outage Map keeps going out itself.

The Ausnet Outage Map has a popup note: due to the large number of outages power may not get restored til Monday morning.

h/t Dave B, Yonniestone,
Melbourne: 42,000 homes in dark, no fans left at Kmart. Power outages due to "secret" air conditioners?, 9.3 out of 10 based on 90 ratings

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/01/melbourne-42000-homes-in-dark-no-fans-left-at-k...

I realise you are an idiot, but read the highlighted bit very slowly 2 or 3 times and it may sink in. Grin

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Re: Power failures Victoria, cost blowouts
Reply #10 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:39pm

macman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:30pm:

juliar wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 8:36am:

SA must have been shaking noticeably as they are totally dependent on Primary Power from Victorian coal fields.

So if Victoria sneezes then SA catches a cold.

The Greenies must be thrilled at how their sabotage is wrecking the Australian power network.

Melbourne: 42,000 homes in dark, no fans left at Kmart. Power outages due to “secret” air conditioners?
January 29th, 2018

https://s3.amazonaws.com/jo.nova/photo/man-made/building/skyscraper/melbourne_ni...
Melbourne Skyline at night…Image: Alfred Glickman

The temperature reached 38C in Melbourne (100F) on Sunday — something it has probably done most summers since 10,000BC.

CitiPower, Powercor and the United Energy spokeswoman Emma Tyner said that as of 9.25pm, about 41,190 homes were without power across those three networks. – Sydney Morning Herald

Now why would that be? Ms Tyner puts a lack of supply in the nicest possible way:
“The extreme heat has significantly increased electricity use and this has resulted in localised power outages,” Ms Tyner said.

It’s not that governments didn’t plan energy policy — it’s the users who wanted too much (i.e your fault.) Though Victorians used to use more power than this. On Sunday, peak electricity demand was 9,124MW, about 13% less than the all time peak of 10,496MW in 2009. (In case you are wondering, Hazelwood (now closed) produced 1600MW or about 25% of Victorian baseload power.)

Mr Armstrong from Ausnet Services (another power company) blamed unreported air conditioners:
“There are a lot fuses blowing in the hot weather and a significant power pull with people having put in air-conditioners they didn’t tell us about,” Mr Armstrong said. — The Age

Who knew you needed to tell your power company when you put in an air conditioner?
Gone are the days when people could willy-nilly run down to Retrovision and just buy an air con.

Ms Tyner and Mr Armstrong may have inadvertently let the cat out of the bag. Perhaps they will get quiet reeducation tomorrow on how to phrase the cause of blackouts. (Aren’t they due to old coal turbines breaking?)

Next, expect people to start saying how normal it is to have blackouts on hot days. “It’s just a part of life.”

If only the same people would say that about hot days.

You know things are serious when Kmart runs out of fans.
A Kmart in Northcote on Sunday has completely sold out of all cooling devices, from fans to air-conditioning units, its duty manager said.

So no willy-nilly fan buying either.

Tonight some people have fans, but no electricity. Others have electricity but no fans.

Others have electricity and fans, but no money. Luckily electricity “only” reached a peak of $3,125 per MWh briefly in Victoria. (Only a few million extra).

Pollies play blackout roulette
Robert Gottleibsen, a week ago:

Welcome to Australia’s deadly game of Melbourne and Sydney blackout roulette. The stakes involve hundreds of millions of dollars of refrigerated food and the operations of thousands of factories and offices who don’t have emergency power contingencies in place.

…Victoria took longer than NSW to wake up but it too has been working hard to reduce the risk of blackouts. For the most part, both states are borrowing ideas from third world countries by getting industry and consumers to cut back on power usage when days are hot. In addition, those organisations with back up power (like phone companies) are being asked to use it so as to cut demand and, if possible, put power back into the grid. Accordingly, highly polluting diesel becomes the saviour.

Could someone teach editors what “record-breaking” means?
Last night the minimum was 22.8C in Melbourne. Tonight was forecast to be 28C. If the Bureau are right, it won’t be close to breaking the record. (UPDATE: It ended up being 27.5C min)

–The Sydney Morning Herald

Close to record-breaking heat
While it is not quite a record, Melbourne has come close to the hottest-ever January overnight temperature of 30.6 degrees.

Melbourne has reached that record twice since records began, once in 1902 and again in 2010.

The good news is that the other 1.5 million homes still have electricity. Though the United Energy Outage Map keeps going out itself.

The Ausnet Outage Map has a popup note: due to the large number of outages power may not get restored til Monday morning.

h/t Dave B, Yonniestone,
Melbourne: 42,000 homes in dark, no fans left at Kmart. Power outages due to "secret" air conditioners?, 9.3 out of 10 based on 90 ratings

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/01/melbourne-42000-homes-in-dark-no-fans-left-at-k...

I realise you are an idiot, but read the highlighted bit very slowly 2 or 3 times and it may sink in. Grin

Joanne Nova - what a laugh. Let's assign energy policy to our resident microbiologist. That should do the trick.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Reply #11 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:21pm

Yes Vic

My son was a high voltage linesman he and over 100 linies were made redundant at Penrith NSW depot alone

My son cannot now get work in the industry hundreds and hundreds of workers were made redundant. That was a few years ago when that turncoat Mike Baird sold NSW Electricity off for 20 pieces of silver

Now the network is slowly but surely going to fall into disrepair because the amount of qualified workers left aren't nearly enough to maintain the poles and wires

NSW is going to follow Victoria and South Australia with Power and go belly up

PS Mike Baird jumped with a golden parachute into private banking where he is making millions and giving NSW Public the finger with a f... you thrown in "I'm alright Jack!"

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Reply #12 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:27pm

crocodile wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:21pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 9:46am:

red baron wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:40am:

Premier Andrews has delivered the Perfect Storm for Victoria

This is what you get when you shut down coal fired Power Stations..outages and plenty of them

The price of Electricity has doubled in Victoria in the last 12 months

And with the heatwave the grid collapsed outing 60,0000 homes

Well done Andrews you are sending Victoria to the wall

On the bright side I guess the African gangs wouldn't have minded the heat Cool

Is this what all those greenie types wanted, intermittent power?

Maybe not having base load power available when you need it, isn't as much fun as those numpties first thought. Grin

The Greenis didn't support the privatisation of the state owned electricity generation and distribution assets. This falls in the lap of the Kennet government. Lou Yang A and B, Yallourn and Hazelwood were all sold to different interests and the distribution network sold separately again.

Since then, not one single kJ of capacity has been added by these new owners. Seems like it was purchased only for the recurrent revenue stream until it reaches end of life. At that point, see ya later. If you want more elictrickery, build us another will ya.

The greens and labor would never allow a single volt of base load power to be build, intermittent power only.

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