polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20
th, 2018 at 7:15pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 20
th, 2018 at 6:17pm:
There would be NO Americans or NATO in Afghanistan, incidentally, if the Talibs didn't shelter the Bin Liner & Co.
the Bin Liner and Co set up camp in Afghanistan before the Talibs had any control of the country. They were able to set up shop because of the chaos and power vacuum that had been created by the US funding and arming jihadists to overthrow the Ruskies. If it hadn't been for US intervention, the communists would have crushed the jihadists and Afghanistan would have remained a secular God-less utopia with women running around in mini skirts.
But no, thanks to US involvement, the Ruskies tucked tail and the warlords and the jihadists, brimming with US supplied arms and money, ran amuk, sending the country and society into complete chaos. Thats the context in which Bin Liner & Co set up shop. By the time the Talibs sort of took over the country, they were in no position to say whether or not the cashed up, armed-to-the hilt arab Jihadists were welcome. So rather than demonstrate how powerless they really were against them, they of course pretended they were letting them stay - when in fact they had no say in the matter.
So yeah - the talibs, the jihadists, Bin Laden's training camps - none of that would have happened if not for US meddling.
Sure- Islamic jihad is a US concept. Americans are making you lot into jihadi fanatics.
And before the US, it was the Israelis, the British, the Austro-Hungarians, The Poles, the Holy Roman Empire, the Italian city states - whatever infidel resistance to Mohammed was going.
Islam has been at war with the west for ever. Simply because Islam is a conquering, oppressive, aggressive political creed.
YOU - 'youse'- Muslims ARE the enemies of absolutely everything the West stands for. Absolutely everything. There is not a single Western value you - 'youse' - share. It's all anathema to the sons of Mohammed.
Yet here you are, in our midst. You - 'youse' - don't tolerate us among you but here you are, doing your dirty work in the name of 'tolerance'.