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Reply #30 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:34am
 
Miniwhatsit,

you are dreaming Greeny dreams.

Secondary Power Solar only works for a few hours around midday so how can it replace reliable stable 24/7 coal and hydro Primary Power ?

So what do you do at night ? Meditate in the dark ?

And the SA 100MW white elephant battery is not worth a bumper as it could only supply the SA load for minutes before it went up in fire and smoke.

The whole traitorous treasonous idea of the Extremist Activist Greenies who loath and hate Australia is to force industry to close by sabotaging our formerly reliable cheap power supply.

They want to reduce Australia to a 4th world subsistence country like Africa. This is part of their UN AGENDA 2030 rubbish.


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This is the sort of subsistence living the Greenies want to reduce Australia to.
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Reply #31 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 1:45pm
 
Smell the fear socko...


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Reply #32 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 2:11pm
 
Stuck in a time warp? Wink
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Reply #33 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 2:28pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
Stuck in a time warp? Wink


yes a very good question for the LNP Wink
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Reply #34 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 4:41pm
 
My latest power bill was $ 10.40 , love my free sunlight energy  Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #35 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 4:51pm
 
Its time wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 4:41pm:
My latest power bill was $ 10.40 , love my free sunlight energy  Smiley Smiley Smiley



How much was it for the solar collector?
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Reply #36 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 5:00pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 4:41pm:
My latest power bill was $ 10.40 , love my free sunlight energy  Smiley Smiley Smiley



How much was it for the solar collector?


The system was 7 k Lee , payback on the system will take three and bit years , winning
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Reply #37 - Jan 28th, 2018 at 8:26pm
 
LW is trying to get attention again.
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Reply #38 - Jan 29th, 2018 at 1:49pm
 
juliar wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:34am:
Miniwhatsit,

you are dreaming Greeny dreams.

Secondary Power Solar only works for a few hours around midday so how can it replace reliable stable 24/7 coal and hydro Primary Power ?

So what do you do at night ? Meditate in the dark ?

And the SA 100MW white elephant battery is not worth a bumper as it could only supply the SA load for minutes before it went up in fire and smoke.

The whole traitorous treasonous idea of the Extremist Activist Greenies who loath and hate Australia is to force industry to close by sabotaging our formerly reliable cheap power supply.

They want to reduce Australia to a 4th world subsistence country like Africa. This is part of their UN AGENDA 2030 rubbish.


As an Electrical Engineering working in the power industry, I am fully aware of the limitations associated with renewables , such as availability and grid stability. But despite these issues, the investments in large scale generation are increasingly going towards renewables. This is due to the fact that the combined setup costs, ongoing maintenance and staffing requirements and interest repayments now make such projects more lucrative. This is what is know as the Levelised Cost of Energy, or LCOE.

Coal powered plants may be more reliable, but due to the fact that no major bank, if any, in Australia won't fund construction of a new plant we may never see coal plant built again in this country. On top of this, there are currently projections that the average daytime spot price of electricity on the Australian east coast will drop to around $20 per MW, by 2020. This is based on the expected power availability on completion of proposed large scale renewable energy projects that are expected to receive approval or are currently being built. If prices dropped to such levels, fossil fueled power stations will become increasingly unviable and would only remain in service to meet peak daytime demands and evening demands in order to maintain grid stability. While I agree that current battery technology doesn't allow for the energy storage requirements on a large scale, the level of investment in battery research and electrical energy storage in general should result in technologies becoming available that would allow for fossil fueled power plants being phased out altogether. Personally, I believe that these technologies should be available within the next 20 - 30 years.

Regarding your claim that renewables will bring Australia to economics levels worse than Africa, I should point out that for years Third World Countries have had to rely on diesel generators where electrical grids weren't available. The improvements in renewables have allowed many communities in such countries to have access to electricity when they didn't previously. In some circumstances, renewable systems with battery storage are now cheaper than a diesel generator.
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Reply #39 - Jan 29th, 2018 at 1:56pm
 
minarchist wrote on Jan 29th, 2018 at 1:49pm:
juliar wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:34am:
Miniwhatsit,

you are dreaming Greeny dreams.

Secondary Power Solar only works for a few hours around midday so how can it replace reliable stable 24/7 coal and hydro Primary Power ?

So what do you do at night ? Meditate in the dark ?

And the SA 100MW white elephant battery is not worth a bumper as it could only supply the SA load for minutes before it went up in fire and smoke.

The whole traitorous treasonous idea of the Extremist Activist Greenies who loath and hate Australia is to force industry to close by sabotaging our formerly reliable cheap power supply.

They want to reduce Australia to a 4th world subsistence country like Africa. This is part of their UN AGENDA 2030 rubbish.


As an Electrical Engineering working in the power industry, I am fully aware of the limitations associated with renewables , such as availability and grid stability. But despite these issues, the investments in large scale generation are increasingly going towards renewables. This is due to the fact that the combined setup costs, ongoing maintenance and staffing requirements and interest repayments now make such projects more lucrative. This is what is know as the Levelised Cost of Energy, or LCOE.

Coal powered plants may be more reliable, but due to the fact that no major bank, if any, in Australia won't fund construction of a new plant we may never see coal plant built again in this country. On top of this, there are currently projections that the average daytime spot price of electricity on the Australian east coast will drop to around $20 per MW, by 2020. This is based on the expected power availability on completion of proposed large scale renewable energy projects that are expected to receive approval or are currently being built. If prices dropped to such levels, fossil fueled power stations will become increasingly unviable and would only remain in service to meet peak daytime demands and evening demands in order to maintain grid stability. While I agree that current battery technology doesn't allow for the energy storage requirements on a large scale, the level of investment in battery research and electrical energy storage in general should result in technologies becoming available that would allow for fossil fueled power plants being phased out altogether. Personally, I believe that these technologies should be available within the next 20 - 30 years.

Regarding your claim that renewables will bring Australia to economics levels worse than Africa, I should point out that for years Third World Countries have had to rely on diesel generators where electrical grids weren't available. The improvements in renewables have allowed many communities in such countries to have access to electricity when they didn't previously. In some circumstances, renewable systems with battery storage are now cheaper than a diesel generator.


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Reply #40 - Jan 29th, 2018 at 2:46pm
 
LW is seeking attention but hasn't got the vaguest clue about the topic. He must be lonely.

Miniwhatsit,

Despite your claims of being this and that you have not explained in simple straight forward terms how unreliable unstable Secondary Power from renewable rubbish can successfully replace reliable stable Primary Power from coal and hydro.

All you have done is a bit of Greeny arm waving with NO practical info at all.

Your claims of renewable rubbish being economical are nonsense because the taxpayers are subsidizing all renewable rubbish.

Without the govt subsidy there would be NO renewable rubbish anywhere to be seen as it just doesn't earn any return.

Sth Aust is the canary in the coal mine which has warned the rest of Australia not to follow SA down the gurgler by letting the Greenies sabotage their power supply.

Sth Aust is totally dependent on Primary Power from the Victorian brown coal fields as its wobbly Secondary Power renewable rubbish only works occasionally.

The Greenies hidden agenda is to close ALL industry down in Australia and reduce Australia to a subsistence economy such as one might find in Africa.

What better way to do this than to sabotage the power supply ? In SA most businesses have their own diesel generator now and lots of homes have their trusty Honda.

And the laughable part is that the SA "govt" has had to buy heaps of diesel generators to prop up their sick power network that is permanently on the edge of collapsing.
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Reply #41 - Jan 29th, 2018 at 6:30pm
 
minarchist wrote on Jan 29th, 2018 at 1:49pm:
juliar wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:34am:
Miniwhatsit,

you are dreaming Greeny dreams.

Secondary Power Solar only works for a few hours around midday so how can it replace reliable stable 24/7 coal and hydro Primary Power ?

So what do you do at night ? Meditate in the dark ?

And the SA 100MW white elephant battery is not worth a bumper as it could only supply the SA load for minutes before it went up in fire and smoke.

The whole traitorous treasonous idea of the Extremist Activist Greenies who loath and hate Australia is to force industry to close by sabotaging our formerly reliable cheap power supply.

They want to reduce Australia to a 4th world subsistence country like Africa. This is part of their UN AGENDA 2030 rubbish.


As an Electrical Engineering working in the power industry, I am fully aware of the limitations associated with renewables , such as availability and grid stability. But despite these issues, the investments in large scale generation are increasingly going towards renewables. This is due to the fact that the combined setup costs, ongoing maintenance and staffing requirements and interest repayments now make such projects more lucrative. This is what is know as the Levelised Cost of Energy, or LCOE.

Coal powered plants may be more reliable, but due to the fact that no major bank, if any, in Australia won't fund construction of a new plant we may never see coal plant built again in this country. On top of this, there are currently projections that the average daytime spot price of electricity on the Australian east coast will drop to around $20 per MW, by 2020. This is based on the expected power availability on completion of proposed large scale renewable energy projects that are expected to receive approval or are currently being built. If prices dropped to such levels, fossil fueled power stations will become increasingly unviable and would only remain in service to meet peak daytime demands and evening demands in order to maintain grid stability. While I agree that current battery technology doesn't allow for the energy storage requirements on a large scale, the level of investment in battery research and electrical energy storage in general should result in technologies becoming available that would allow for fossil fueled power plants being phased out altogether. Personally, I believe that these technologies should be available within the next 20 - 30 years.

Regarding your claim that renewables will bring Australia to economics levels worse than Africa, I should point out that for years Third World Countries have had to rely on diesel generators where electrical grids weren't available. The improvements in renewables have allowed many communities in such countries to have access to electricity when they didn't previously. In some circumstances, renewable systems with battery storage are now cheaper than a diesel generator.


Standby and wait for the synchronisation nonsense.
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Reply #42 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 5:49am
 
There there croc, don't blow a fuse.

The emaciated power system was struggling to survive during the recent heat wave which is not at all unusual during summer.


Surely even a roughly logical mind would have to agree that when there is no wind at night and the biggest battery would only last for a few minutes then there will be no power delivered from the unreliable unstable Secondary Power renewable rubbish.

Hence the vital need for reliable stable Primary Power from coal or hydro.


What seems to bend the muddled minds of the Greeny types is that solar seems to work OK in a domestic house even at night if they have storage batteries.

What the muddled minds of the befuddled Greeny types cannot grasp is that there is always the Primary Power connected to the house via the 240v mains ready to take over when the solar conks out.

For a Greeny type to be fair dinkum they would have to completely disconnect their house from the 240v mains and enjoy sitting in the dark.
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Reply #43 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 6:01am
 
Greeny sabotaged Victorian power system is staggering on the brink of collapse and it would take Greeny sabotaged SA with it when it goes over the edge.



Outages and outrage as Premier demands answers for 95,000 power consumers
The New Daily and ABC 4:34pm, Jan 29, 2018 Updated: 8:53pm, Jan 29

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Victorians suffered power outages in the heat. Photo: AAP


With power still being restored to parts of Victoria affected by heat-induced outages, the Premier says he’ll seek compensation for those affected.

Daniel Andrews said localised factors caused power cuts to 95,000 households and businesses across the state and the power companies will need to find a fix to prevent similar problems in the future.

Energy Minister Lily D’Ambrosio said it was the highest peak demand ever recorded in Victoria on a Sunday, with rooftop solar helping push the peak period to later in the evening.

“Peak demand was around about 9100 megawatts. It occurred at about 5.30pm last night, putting that additional strain on the electricity infrastructure and that’s what caused the localised outages across parts of the state,” Ms D’Ambrosio said.

In Melbourne’s south-east, more than 46,000 consumers were affected, with some areas around Caulfield blacked out from 5pm Sunday until 6pm on Monday.

Air conditioner use to blame
The Australian Energy Market Operator said the outages had nothing to do with supply, with air conditioners putting ‘enormous stress’ on the network.

Andrew Dillon from Energy Networks Australia told ABC Radio Melbourne the statewide system held up under the strain of demand, but local networks were overwhelmed by the demand for cooling.

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Rooftop solar is pushing the peak summer power usage times back to later in the day. Photo: AAP

“They were all on yesterday and so they were putting enormous stress on the local network infrastructure and in some areas unfortunately we had some issues,” he said.

“Many residential parts of Victoria set all-time electricity demand records yesterday.

“Overall you probably could say the infrastructure held up pretty well, but obviously that’s cold comfort for those that were off.”

Rooftop solar is changing peak power times
Mr Dillon said the use of solar power did little to ease the pressure, as peak electricity usage came later in the day.

“What solar power has done is certainly well and truly clicked the load off at midday, and it has helped with these peaks at 3pm or 4pm,” he said.

“But what it’s effectively tended to do is shift them to later in the day, so now we’re starting to see the network peak doesn’t happen until 6pm or 7pm.”

Premier wants compensation from providers
The Premier said he wants providers to compensate consumers.

”The frustration caused in those households … was not about power supply, but localised factors, localised issues in the distribution network,” Mr Andrews said.

”We will learn from that, we will make sure we understand exactly what went on.

We will work with companies and we’ll compel them, if we have to, both to look at compensation and to look at improvements in that network.”


The government said the spike in demand caused blown fuses and failed transformers on the distribution network.

“The distribution companies are required to maintain and improve the network and they’ve been charging customers handsomely to do that,” Mr Andrews said.

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Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews. Photo: AAP

“We will have a look closely at the nature of the faults, and what can be done to improve them.”

Victorian Opposition Leader Matthew Guy said it was the state government’s responsibility to ensure power companies were running a reliable system that kept up with Victoria’s population growth.

“It’s the government’s job to ensure that the lights stay on,” he said.

Temperatures did not drop below 30 degrees Celsius in Melbourne until 4am, and remained above 30C in Mildura and the north-west.

Senior forecaster Richard Carlyon from the Bureau of Meteorology said the high humidity in Melbourne would remain until Tuesday morning when thunderstorms will intensify.

“It was a hot and humid night in Melbourne,” he said. “The temperature dropped to 28.4 degrees at 5:30am – not quite a record. The all-time record for January is 30.6C.”

With the change comes the risk of flash flooding in some eastern parts of the state.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/vic/2018/01/29/power-outages/
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Reply #44 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 6:22am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 24th, 2018 at 11:13am:
Hey socko if people are being paid 6 cents per kwh from their solar PV feedins and these energy retailers (scammers) are flogging it for 25 cents a kwh then who is benefiting from the difference and what actually does the consumer get for this 19 cents per kwh ??

I thought your privitization racket was supposed to reduce energy prices ?




Yes privatisation has caused our problems not green energy.
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