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Re: How do Cops track down online paedos etc
Reply #30 - Jan 19^th, 2018 at 3:15pm

Super Nova wrote on Jan 19^th, 2018 at 11:59am:

Aussie wrote on Jan 19^th, 2018 at 10:54am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 10:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:

Super Nova wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 5:58pm:

If I was to explain, you wouldn't understand. Ask your IT guru's that always provide you with incorrect analysis.

You are probably right, but Setanta might get some benefit from your explanation, as might others.

Another dig when you don't get what you want. You're a tool Aussie. Here's what you can do besides go fek yourself, don't ask me to do the impossible like find people through VPN, proxies or TOR or expect me to ban every VPN, proxy and TOR exit on the internet. Go ask all the EXPERTS you have.

Not intended as a dig whatsoever, Setanta. No-one asked you to find anyone.

My suggestion to you (via PM and had nothing to do with this Thread) was to have Admin/GMOds approve new Member registrants, and that anyone using a proxy, or VPN or TOR not be approved. You seemed to be telling me just about everything other than give a simple yes/no answer to my question whether you could see via the IP that an applicant for Membership was using a proxy, VPN or TOR.

Aussie, you don't know what a proxy is for starters. Everyone, unless you own an IP address and use it directly to the web is entering via a proxy server.

You would have to ban every VPN host in the world, how would you know if it's a VPN, you can only guess if it is registered by a commercial VPN company and you know their name. There are many that are not.

You would need to ban yourself because your internet service provider uses proxy servers.

You think this request would allow the real IP of a user to be seen. Until IP6 is implemented everywhere, this can never happen and the use of proxy servers will remain forever even if it was.

So thinking this would improve tracking if someone pissed you off is wrong, nonsense and shows your true intent. Stalker thou are.

sn I think aussie thinks the Police only have the same resources as us poor folks.. Grin

with maybe just a little more brain power... Roll Eyes

just sayin like.

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Re: How do Cops track down online paedos etc
Reply #31 - Jan 19^th, 2018 at 4:06pm

cods wrote on Jan 19^th, 2018 at 3:15pm:

Super Nova wrote on Jan 19^th, 2018 at 11:59am:

Aussie wrote on Jan 19^th, 2018 at 10:54am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 10:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:

Super Nova wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 5:58pm:

If I was to explain, you wouldn't understand. Ask your IT guru's that always provide you with incorrect analysis.

You are probably right, but Setanta might get some benefit from your explanation, as might others.

Another dig when you don't get what you want. You're a tool Aussie. Here's what you can do besides go fek yourself, don't ask me to do the impossible like find people through VPN, proxies or TOR or expect me to ban every VPN, proxy and TOR exit on the internet. Go ask all the EXPERTS you have.

Not intended as a dig whatsoever, Setanta. No-one asked you to find anyone.

My suggestion to you (via PM and had nothing to do with this Thread) was to have Admin/GMOds approve new Member registrants, and that anyone using a proxy, or VPN or TOR not be approved. You seemed to be telling me just about everything other than give a simple yes/no answer to my question whether you could see via the IP that an applicant for Membership was using a proxy, VPN or TOR.

Aussie, you don't know what a proxy is for starters. Everyone, unless you own an IP address and use it directly to the web is entering via a proxy server.

You would have to ban every VPN host in the world, how would you know if it's a VPN, you can only guess if it is registered by a commercial VPN company and you know their name. There are many that are not.

You would need to ban yourself because your internet service provider uses proxy servers.

You think this request would allow the real IP of a user to be seen. Until IP6 is implemented everywhere, this can never happen and the use of proxy servers will remain forever even if it was.

So thinking this would improve tracking if someone pissed you off is wrong, nonsense and shows your true intent. Stalker thou are.

sn I think aussie thinks the Police only have the same resources as us poor folks.. Grin

with maybe just a little more brain power... Roll Eyes

just sayin like.

only a little ??? Grin

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57150 Here Gender:	Re: How do Cops track down online paedos etc Reply #32 - Jan 19^th, 2018 at 7:47pm Once did an IT security course with police officers who do this, they had some good stories. Interesting fact is that the onion router or TOR is largely funded by the US government and they do not allow anything that they can't access.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47364 At my desk.	Re: How do Cops track down online paedos etc Reply #33 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 1:31pm I think they check to see who is asking how the cops track them down.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: How do Cops track down online paedos etc Reply #34 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 3:22pm freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 1:31pm: I think they check to see who is asking how the cops track them down. Cute.
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Re: How do Cops track down online paedos etc
Reply #35 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 7:00pm

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

I think they check to see who is asking how the cops track them down.

it is a worry.....when people ask strange questions????...

why do they wish to know?????is the first thing to cross anyones mind..

what would they use it for if they managed to get the information they request?????????...is the second

it is not a smart thing to ask in a public forum.... Cheesy

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Re: How do Cops track down online paedos etc
Reply #36 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 7:14pm

cods wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 7:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

I think they check to see who is asking how the cops track them down.

it is a worry.....when people ask strange questions????...

why do they wish to know?????is the first thing to cross anyones mind..

what would they use it for if they managed to get the information they request?????????...is the second

it is not a smart thing to ask in a public forum.... Cheesy

I happen to think it's a great question.

And I'm glad our clueless ex cabbie asked it.

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Re: How do Cops track down online paedos etc
Reply #37 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 8:25pm

Because all Computers/Laptops/phones, etc are 'adjusted' before being available for sale in Australia, regardless if they are made here or in from overseas.
That way - our 'National Security' Wink

have 'easier' access to find these Paedos and other 'not very nice people', like Bikers (Terrorists), etc.

Here's looking at you ASIO Wink

...and here's looking at 'me'

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Reply #38 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 8:30pm

cods wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 7:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

I think they check to see who is asking how the cops track them down.

it is a worry.....when people ask strange questions????...

why do they wish to know?????is the first thing to cross anyones mind..

what would they use it for if they managed to get the information they request?????????...is the second

it is not a smart thing to ask in a public forum.... Cheesy

Bit like when someone askes about a medical problem......for a friend lol

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Re: How do Cops track down online paedos etc
Reply #39 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 8:32pm

Gordon wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 8:30pm:

cods wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 7:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

I think they check to see who is asking how the cops track them down.

it is a worry.....when people ask strange questions????...

why do they wish to know?????is the first thing to cross anyones mind..

what would they use it for if they managed to get the information they request?????????...is the second

it is not a smart thing to ask in a public forum.... Cheesy

Bit like when someone askes about a medical problem......for a friend lol

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: How do Cops track down online paedos etc Reply #40 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 8:37pm Aussie wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 3:22pm: freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 1:31pm: I think they check to see who is asking how the cops track them down. Cute.
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Re: How do Cops track down online paedos etc
Reply #41 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 3:51am

In the United States, they set up chatrooms and then have adults pretend to be children/teens in an attempt to entrap paedophiles into making contact with them. Then they set up a bait house and get an adult who looks young to act like the teenagers that the mark has been promised. Then they await the time and day that the meet up is supposed to take place. "To catch a predator" I think they call the show. Then some host comes along to interview the 'predator' and ask him stupid questions like "What are you doing here?".

The show always looks awkward and you start to feel for the person getting entrapped. That is why most of the charges laid against the 'perp' normally get thrown out in court. The judges do not want to waste their time with obvious cases of entrapment.

In Australia, I think they just scour the internet with programs to pick up lingo like "fondle my balls" and other things. Of course the way the paedos get around this is to write in internet speak with plenty of spelling mistakes. But if the investigators write some good software, they could probably expand to find more indirect points of dialogue that could lead them to finding potential crimes in progress.

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Reply #42 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 3:56am

It gets you thinking about the legalities in how someone could be prosecuted. If someone steals someone's property and then plants it on you without your knowledge, does that make you a criminal? For example, receiving stolen property?

On computers, other people might be looking up pornography on the family computer. If they download something illegal, or something is uploaded to someone's computer to set someone up, does that make the person who owns the computer responsible. If a person deletes the content, the history and content can still be traced to the computer, unless the person goes to great lengths to delete the registries and change hardware on the computer. Correct? Anyway, the point being, you could end up getting charged for having illegal content on your home computer, especially if an investigator gets the heads up by someone that you have that on your computer.

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Reply #43 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 10:29pm

Before the Internet, the Police would bust many a Paedo, even lots in one spot. I think the Internet isnt' as effective as the old method of actually catching them in the act or about to commit the act. Actually 'being there' was more effective than 'words on the Internet'.
I've been told by a few people in the know of lots of 'famous' Paedo busts.
One bust nabbed 20 of them at a Public Toilet all waiting for their 'kiddies' to be delivered - which were also 'busted' on their way to being delivered. Yep - all 'stolen' kiddies (x5).

I wonder if Police have forgotten about the 'old methods' and just become focused on the Internet as the 'only' avenue of access to commit such a terrible crime?

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