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Reply #30 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
Did it occur to you that no-one had managed a precedent to the scale of Muhammad's evil precisely because they had higher moral standards? It's not like it was technically difficult. The lack of hierarchical power in Arabia at the time was the exception, not the norm.


It was technically difficult FD. Dhu Nuwaz annexed Yemen in the early 6th century, and proceeded to slaughter as many christians as he could. He was only stopped by the direct intervention of the Abyssinian kingdom. That sounds like a "technical difficulty" preventing the intended annhialation of the Christians don't you think FD?

And here's the tribes of Medina "getting along":

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Eventually the Banu Aus and the Banu Khazraj became hostile to each other and by the time of Muhammad's Hijra (emigration) to Medina in 622 AD/1 AH, they had been fighting for 120 years and were the sworn enemies of each other.[19] The Banu Nadir and the Banu Qurayza were allied with the Aus, while the Banu Qaynuqa sided with the Khazraj.[20] They fought a total of four wars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina#History




Unless I can't read, I cannot find the information of your claim that he attempted to slaughter Christians?


from the article:

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According to a number of medieval historians, who depend on the account of John of Ephesus, Dhū Nuwās announced that he would persecute the Christians living in his kingdom because Christian states persecuted his fellow co-religionists in their realms; a letter survives written by Simon, the bishop of Beth Arsham in 524 CE, recounting Dimnon (who is probably Dhū Nuwās') persecution in Najran in Saudi Arabia.[6]

Based on other contemporary sources, after seizing the throne of the Ḥimyarites in ca. 518 or 523 Dhū Nuwās attacked the Aksumite (mainly Christian Ethiopians at Najrān, capturing them and burning their churches. After accepting the city's capitulation, he massacred those inhabitants who would not renounce Christianity.


This article doesn't mention it, but sources put the dead at somewhere between 1000-2000 in that single massacre, but the slaughter did not end there, and continued until his overthrow by the Abyssinians.
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Reply #31 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 7:34pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
Did it occur to you that no-one had managed a precedent to the scale of Muhammad's evil precisely because they had higher moral standards? It's not like it was technically difficult. The lack of hierarchical power in Arabia at the time was the exception, not the norm.


It was technically difficult FD. Dhu Nuwaz annexed Yemen in the early 6th century, and proceeded to slaughter as many christians as he could. He was only stopped by the direct intervention of the Abyssinian kingdom. That sounds like a "technical difficulty" preventing the intended annhialation of the Christians don't you think FD?

And here's the tribes of Medina "getting along":

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Eventually the Banu Aus and the Banu Khazraj became hostile to each other and by the time of Muhammad's Hijra (emigration) to Medina in 622 AD/1 AH, they had been fighting for 120 years and were the sworn enemies of each other.[19] The Banu Nadir and the Banu Qurayza were allied with the Aus, while the Banu Qaynuqa sided with the Khazraj.[20] They fought a total of four wars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina#History




Unless I can't read, I cannot find the information of your claim that he attempted to slaughter Christians?


from the article:

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According to a number of medieval historians, who depend on the account of John of Ephesus, Dhū Nuwās announced that he would persecute the Christians living in his kingdom because Christian states persecuted his fellow co-religionists in their realms; a letter survives written by Simon, the bishop of Beth Arsham in 524 CE, recounting Dimnon (who is probably Dhū Nuwās') persecution in Najran in Saudi Arabia.[6]

Based on other contemporary sources, after seizing the throne of the Ḥimyarites in ca. 518 or 523 Dhū Nuwās attacked the Aksumite (mainly Christian Ethiopians at Najrān, capturing them and burning their churches. After accepting the city's capitulation, he massacred those inhabitants who would not renounce Christianity.


This article doesn't mention it, but sources put the dead at somewhere between 1000-2000 in that single massacre, but the slaughter did not end there, and continued until his overthrow by the Abyssinians.


And then what happened? Did the Abssynians conquer the land?
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Reply #32 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 8:03pm
 
Last year, the US Congress declared that the Islamic State persecution of Christians and other minorities constituted genocide. The term was coined by Raphael Lemkin who recognised the slaughter of Armenians in 1915 as the first genocide of the 20th century. He wrote: “It [genocide] happened to the Armenians and after the Armenians, Hitler took action.”

It is estimated that the Ottomans massacred between 800,000 and 1.5 million Armenians in the genocide, most of whom were Christians. To commemorate its centenary, Pope Francis said: “The first genocide of the 20th century struck your own Armenian people, the first Christian nation.”

Turkey’s Islamist government continues to deny the genocide took place.

Western nations bear a special responsibility to shelter Christians fleeing genocide because they ­suffer systemic oppression in many Islamic states.

According to not-for-profit group Open Doors, last year was the worst on record for the persecution of Christians since it began reporting 25 years ago. Each month, an estimated 322 Christians are killed for their faith and 772 suffer serious violence. In ­addition, 214 Christian churches and properties are destroyed.

Of the 10 countries ranked worst for Christian persecution, nine are Muslim majority nations. The other is communist state North Korea.

Islamist persecution of Christians is intensifying in African and Southeast Asian countries. Last year, Boko Haram changed its general strategy from attacking anyone classified as an infidel to targeting Christians. Its new leader, Abu Musab al-Barnawi, aligned the group with Islamic State and vowed to “blow up every Church” and “kill every Christian”.

The Islamist tactics used to ­annihilate Christians extend ­beyond bombs and guns. Muslim organisations in Nigeria that run camps for people displaced by ­Islamic State are reserving aid for Muslims only. Christian Bishop William Naga reported to Open Doors UK that: “They will give food to the refugees, but if you are a Christian they will not give you food. They will openly tell you that the relief is not for Christians.”

Christians are also under threat in Southeast Asia where militant Islamism is on the rise. The trial of Jakarta’s Christian governor Basuki Ahok for blasphemy (that is, “insulting” the Koran) is a case in point. On Friday, about 15,000 Muslims marched to demand Ahok be jailed. Associated Press recorded a protester who said: “There’s no room for kaffir to lead in this nation.”

The Hungarian government recognises the persistence of global Christian persecution and the West’s responsibility to become assertive in redressing it. The conservative government led by Viktor Orban reports that four out of five people killed for their faith are Christians. It has responded by establishing the world’s first state department dedicated to addressing Christian persecution.

In Australia, Labor and Greens politicians responded negatively to news that the Liberal Coalition has provided asylum to several thousand Christians fleeing Islamic State genocide in its dedicated program for Syrian refugees. Greens senator Nick McKim created a distinction between selecting on “genuine need” and religion in relation to the Syrian intake, and described the latter as “disgusting”. He might need a briefing on the reality of jihadist genocide.

Labor legal affairs spokesman Mark Dreyfus reportedly “expressed concern about the prospect of persecuted Syrian refugees being selected for resettlement in Australia on the basis of religion”. He stated that more Muslims have been killed in the Middle Eastern conflict than members of any other religion.

Some leftists seem wilfully ignorant about Islamic State’s deliberate genocide of Christians and the systemic persecution of Christian people in Muslim majority nations.
Thanks to ignorance, rank immorality, Christophobia or some combination thereof,
the Western left has denied fair asylum to Christian victims of jihadist genocide for more than a decade.

Majed El Shafie, the Founder of One Free World International, highlighted the problem with “political correctness” in Canada’s humanitarian programs. He stated that among those accepted as refugees from Iraq and Syria: “Most if not all are Muslim Sunnis.”

Fox News reported that the Obama administration’s Syrian refugee program produced a questionable result. Of the 10,801 refugees accepted from Syria in 2016, almost all — 10,722 — were Muslims. Only 56 were Christians.

NGOs have reported that Christians suffering persecution across the globe face “double discrimination”. They are persecuted for their faith and subsequently experience discrimination in United Nations refugee camps and facilities. The Barnabas Fund charity rescues Christians from Syria and reports they are at risk of violence in “Muslim-majority shelters”.

Catholic Archbishop Jacques Hindo stated that Christians were denied aid in Syria. He told the Vatican’s news service: “We have a hundred Assyrian families who have taken refuge, but they have received no assistance either from the Red Crescent or Syrian government aid workers, perhaps because they are Christians. The UN High Commissioner for Refugees is nowhere to be seen.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/jennifer-oriel/lets-reflect-o...
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Reply #33 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 9:37pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
Did it occur to you that no-one had managed a precedent to the scale of Muhammad's evil precisely because they had higher moral standards? It's not like it was technically difficult. The lack of hierarchical power in Arabia at the time was the exception, not the norm.


It was technically difficult FD. Dhu Nuwaz annexed Yemen in the early 6th century, and proceeded to slaughter as many christians as he could. He was only stopped by the direct intervention of the Abyssinian kingdom. That sounds like a "technical difficulty" preventing the intended annhialation of the Christians don't you think FD?

And here's the tribes of Medina "getting along":

Quote:
Eventually the Banu Aus and the Banu Khazraj became hostile to each other and by the time of Muhammad's Hijra (emigration) to Medina in 622 AD/1 AH, they had been fighting for 120 years and were the sworn enemies of each other.[19] The Banu Nadir and the Banu Qurayza were allied with the Aus, while the Banu Qaynuqa sided with the Khazraj.[20] They fought a total of four wars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina#History




I thought we were talking about the establishment of hierarchical power structures. I understand you are a Muslim, but you must realise that it is possible to do this without slaughtering Christians.
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Reply #34 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 11:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 9:37pm:

@ gandalf


I thought we were talking about the establishment of hierarchical power structures.

I understand you are a Muslim, but you must realise that it is possible to do this without slaughtering Christians.




Nah.

ISLAM must fight against, and will prevail, against all 'unbelief'.

You know it is true.

Resistance is futile.






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Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes.
In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"





Moslems believe and know, that when ISLAM has destroyed all 'unbelief' among mankind, that the world will finally experience the blessing, of the peace of ISLAM.





"ISLAM ES PAZ"


IMAGE.....
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Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

/sarc off



That is why moslems [wherever they can] fight against those, who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

You know it is true.


"Killing infidels is a small matter to us".
.....those are words that moslem scholars have attributed to Mohammed
the person who is ISLAM's 'premier' advocate of 'ISLAMIC values'.



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"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us.
Resistance is futile."



The BORG are dedicated to bringing peace to the galaxy too.

Honest!

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Reply #36 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 9:22am
 
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Authorities in Indonesia’s Aceh region have started to tear down churches following last week’s religious violence that left at least one person dead and forced thousands of Christians to flee.

Clashes broke out after Islamic hardliners burned down a church in Aceh Singkil on 13 Oct. According to local church leader Rev. Erde Berutu, “around 8,000” fled into the bordering province of Northern Sumatra.
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Reply #38 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 11:52am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 9:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
Did it occur to you that no-one had managed a precedent to the scale of Muhammad's evil precisely because they had higher moral standards? It's not like it was technically difficult. The lack of hierarchical power in Arabia at the time was the exception, not the norm.


It was technically difficult FD. Dhu Nuwaz annexed Yemen in the early 6th century, and proceeded to slaughter as many christians as he could. He was only stopped by the direct intervention of the Abyssinian kingdom. That sounds like a "technical difficulty" preventing the intended annhialation of the Christians don't you think FD?

And here's the tribes of Medina "getting along":

Quote:
Eventually the Banu Aus and the Banu Khazraj became hostile to each other and by the time of Muhammad's Hijra (emigration) to Medina in 622 AD/1 AH, they had been fighting for 120 years and were the sworn enemies of each other.[19] The Banu Nadir and the Banu Qurayza were allied with the Aus, while the Banu Qaynuqa sided with the Khazraj.[20] They fought a total of four wars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina#History




I thought we were talking about the establishment of hierarchical power structures. I understand you are a Muslim, but you must realise that it is possible to do this without slaughtering Christians.


Sorry you are confused by your own argument FD. Here it is again, in your words:

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Did it occur to you that no-one had managed a precedent to the scale of Muhammad's evil precisely because they had higher moral standards? It's not like it was technically difficult.


Do you think  Dhu Nuwaz's rampage in Yemen compares to Muhammad's alleged evil? Would you describe his efforts to annhialate an entire religion as facing "technical difficulties" when the Abyssinians invaded and overthrew him?
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Reply #39 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 12:10pm
 
Oh joy, let's play a game of "find a historical genocidal maniac whose evil compares in scale with that of Muhammad". Gandalf is winning so far.
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Reply #40 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 12:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 12:10pm:
Oh joy, let's play a game of "find a historical genocidal maniac whose evil compares in scale with that of Muhammad". Gandalf is winning so far.


You just assured us all that there was no such genocidal maniac - in Arabia. And furthermore you assured us it was because no one had lower moral standards than Muhammad.

Pretty hillarious thing to say eh?
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Reply #41 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 12:28pm
 
actually FD, its the meme you've been running for years: Muhammad set moral standards in Arabia to an all time low. No one had ever achieved his level of slaughter, and indeed everyone had been living together famously like the best of besties - until big bad Muhammad came and ruined it all. You repeated that tripe just yesterday.

So good to know you are now rejecting your own rubbish meme thats been a solid mainstay of your islamophobic tripe for years.

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Reply #42 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 1:57pm
 
Meanwhile the real issue is:

Why are muslims so evil today (top 24 listed terrorist organizations)?

Why are there millions of people fleeing around the globe because of islamic degeneracy?

Why are muslim still in the 7th century as they try to emulate muhammad?

Why do muslims and leftard apologists venally try to excuse islam?
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Reply #43 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 2:09pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
Meanwhile the real issue is:

Why are muslims so evil today (top 24 listed terrorist organizations)?

Why are there millions of people fleeing around the globe because of islamic degeneracy?

Why are muslim still in the 7th century as they try to emulate muhammad?

Why do muslims and leftard apologists venally try to excuse islam?



Ah.

"All terrorists are Muslims therefore, all Muslims are terrorists".

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Reply #44 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 2:14pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
Meanwhile the real issue is:

Why are muslims so evil today (top 24 listed terrorist organizations)?

Why are there millions of people fleeing around the globe because of islamic degeneracy?

Why are muslim still in the 7th century as they try to emulate muhammad?


Why do muslims and leftard apologists venally try to excuse islam?





Especially that last one sticks out like a sore thumb, to me, moses.





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Here, in Australia,         .....in the wake of a police employee [a non-moslem], being shot dead by a moslem on a Sydney street [aka 'legitimate political expression', by the Australian moslem community /sarc off],

       .....how did our own Prime Minister respond to this outrage?


Google;
"Malcolm Turnbull", appeals for unity and mutual respect






Malcolm Turnbull's calls for 'mutual respect', made me want to VOMIT.

He knows what ISLAM is.

And yet, he would tell Australians that.



THE TRUTH ABOUT MOSLEMS;


Every moslem in Australia, is a moslem.

By definition,       every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

And ISLAM calls on its followers to fight and kill those who stand apart from, and reject ISLAM.

ISLAM calls on its followers to fight and kill 'disbelievers', because 'disbelievers' don't believe what the followers of ISLAM believe.



Shame on you, Malcolm!!


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