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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #45 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 6:23am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:08am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 10:59am:

juliar wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 10:57am:

See the gecko troll is back on the childish copy and Xing out drongo act.

The paw sowl hasn't got a clue about the topic but just wants to get noticed. Must be feeling ignored.

“Wage theft is rampant in hospitality. I’d like to see appropriate penalties for businesses who do the wrong thing she said.

“The stories everywhere on wage theft, be it small be it large, it’s so widely spread that it does give a sense that when there are businesses paying proper penalty rates, paying proper entitlements, superannuation, it does feel like that is the exception not the rule."

Unions are doing their bit.

The government needs to do more.

the "individual" is the sticking point.
governments and unions arent your mummy.
you arent a 5 yo.
you need, at some stage in life, to "stand on your own two feet"

So, using your "logic" (Jesus, I'm being very generous this morning), should we do away with our police force?

After all, all they do is enforce the law.

That's what we're talking about here: employers breaking the law.

the "law" as it operates in the workplace is simple.

if you want more money, become more valuable

Once again, you're not concentrating.

Nobody is asking for more money.

They're simply asking for the law to be obeyed.

Are you now going to add wage theft to the list of crimes you condone?

He already has many times.

not at all.

markets are one of the fundamental things to human societies.
and a market involves the trade of one thing for another on the basis that both parties consent to the terms.

its NOT theft.

an employer exchanges money for labour.

if either side is unhappy then they are free to stop exchanging their money for the labour or their labour for the money.

there is nothing that makes a worker go back at 8 am the next day other then the fact that they agree to the terms of the trade.

if it were theft, would you go back and be stolen from every day and then whine and bitch and be a sook about it?

of course not.

any sensible person would be a no-show.

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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #46 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 6:32am

The fruit picking can't be all that bad as people from overseas have been coming here for years now to make some quick money.

As Aqua points out fruit picking is very much you get paid for your productivity.

This year there have been bumper crops due to the clouds of carbon dioxide making the plants grow like crazy and the amount of work is much greater than previously.

Even down in Taswegia where carbon dioxide is banned the plants know better.

Up in Nth Qld they have more pineapples than they know what to do with and the canneries just can't cope.

Seems everything booms under Mal's skilled financial guidance. Libs to win the election.

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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #47 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 6:53am

juliar wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 6:32am:

The fruit picking can't be all that bad as people from overseas have been coming here for years now to make some quick money.

As Aqua points out fruit picking is very much you get paid for your productivity.

This year there have been bumper crops due to the clouds of carbon dioxide making the plants grow like crazy and the amount of work is much greater than previously.

Even down in Taswegia where carbon dioxide is banned the plants know better.

Up in Nth Qld they have more pineapples than they know what to do with and the canneries just can't cope.

Seems everything booms under Mal's skilled financial guidance. Libs to win the election.

the lefties dont want to improve themselves Juliar,
thats the bottom line.
they think they are entitled to very high pay by global standards because, because...well, just because.

there is no way, by global standards , most people are worth what they are paid.

an exception would be our farmers who are at the pinnacle of global productivity.

and we understand 'the market".

in a bad year, you just work for nothing and you dont whine and bitch and sook about it.
and when there is a flood and all the fences are gone, your fencing contractor will double his prices.
good for him, i congratulate him on understanding the 'market".

as for some sook of a barista or a waiter getting 20 bucks an hour and bitching and moaning about penalty rates or whatever, i would say, go get yourself a rural fencing position and work in the 40 degree humidity whilst avoiding the brown snakes .

or maybe shut up and enjoy your air conditioning and your soft snowflake unchallenging, meaningless, mediocre existence and try not to whinge too much. its tiresome and entitled .

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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #48 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 7:03am

Well Aqua WELFARE is a disincentive to do anything except vote for your WELFARE provider.

WELFARE is like a cocoon protecting the contents from harm and terrible things like work.

My suspicion is that the unions are being paid by the Chinese to get into the fruit picking and make it so expensive the growers go bankrupt and then the Chinese come in and buy the bankrupt fruit farms and then employ Chinese workers.

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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #49 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 7:18am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:08am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 10:59am:

juliar wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 10:57am:

See the gecko troll is back on the childish copy and Xing out drongo act.

The paw sowl hasn't got a clue about the topic but just wants to get noticed. Must be feeling ignored.

“Wage theft is rampant in hospitality. I’d like to see appropriate penalties for businesses who do the wrong thing she said.

“The stories everywhere on wage theft, be it small be it large, it’s so widely spread that it does give a sense that when there are businesses paying proper penalty rates, paying proper entitlements, superannuation, it does feel like that is the exception not the rule."

Unions are doing their bit.

The government needs to do more.

the "individual" is the sticking point.
governments and unions arent your mummy.
you arent a 5 yo.
you need, at some stage in life, to "stand on your own two feet"

So, using your "logic" (Jesus, I'm being very generous this morning), should we do away with our police force?

After all, all they do is enforce the law.

That's what we're talking about here: employers breaking the law.

the "law" as it operates in the workplace is simple.

if you want more money, become more valuable

Once again, you're not concentrating.

Nobody is asking for more money.

They're simply asking for the law to be obeyed.

Are you now going to add wage theft to the list of crimes you condone?

He already has many times.

That's true, actually.

He's defended employers breaking the law on several occasions.

That, coupled with his unwillingness to ever condemn rapists, makes me worry a little bit about our resident stable boy.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry Reply #50 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 8:01am The gecko troll feels threatened by Aqua's candor and worldly experience and ability to see into the Lefty mind.
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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #51 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 8:05am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 7:18am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:08am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 10:59am:

juliar wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 10:57am:

See the gecko troll is back on the childish copy and Xing out drongo act.

The paw sowl hasn't got a clue about the topic but just wants to get noticed. Must be feeling ignored.

“Wage theft is rampant in hospitality. I’d like to see appropriate penalties for businesses who do the wrong thing she said.

“The stories everywhere on wage theft, be it small be it large, it’s so widely spread that it does give a sense that when there are businesses paying proper penalty rates, paying proper entitlements, superannuation, it does feel like that is the exception not the rule."

Unions are doing their bit.

The government needs to do more.

the "individual" is the sticking point.
governments and unions arent your mummy.
you arent a 5 yo.
you need, at some stage in life, to "stand on your own two feet"

So, using your "logic" (Jesus, I'm being very generous this morning), should we do away with our police force?

After all, all they do is enforce the law.

That's what we're talking about here: employers breaking the law.

the "law" as it operates in the workplace is simple.

if you want more money, become more valuable

Once again, you're not concentrating.

Nobody is asking for more money.

They're simply asking for the law to be obeyed.

Are you now going to add wage theft to the list of crimes you condone?

He already has many times.

That's true, actually.

He's defended employers breaking the law on several occasions.

That, coupled with his unwillingness to ever condemn rapists, makes me worry a little bit about our resident stable boy.

Horseboy is a fascist. Fascists happily condone the most vile crimes as long as it's not done to them or anyone they know.

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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #52 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 10:02am

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 8:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 7:18am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:08am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 10:59am:

juliar wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 10:57am:

See the gecko troll is back on the childish copy and Xing out drongo act.

The paw sowl hasn't got a clue about the topic but just wants to get noticed. Must be feeling ignored.

“Wage theft is rampant in hospitality. I’d like to see appropriate penalties for businesses who do the wrong thing she said.

“The stories everywhere on wage theft, be it small be it large, it’s so widely spread that it does give a sense that when there are businesses paying proper penalty rates, paying proper entitlements, superannuation, it does feel like that is the exception not the rule."

Unions are doing their bit.

The government needs to do more.

the "individual" is the sticking point.
governments and unions arent your mummy.
you arent a 5 yo.
you need, at some stage in life, to "stand on your own two feet"

So, using your "logic" (Jesus, I'm being very generous this morning), should we do away with our police force?

After all, all they do is enforce the law.

That's what we're talking about here: employers breaking the law.

the "law" as it operates in the workplace is simple.

if you want more money, become more valuable

Once again, you're not concentrating.

Nobody is asking for more money.

They're simply asking for the law to be obeyed.

Are you now going to add wage theft to the list of crimes you condone?

He already has many times.

That's true, actually.

He's defended employers breaking the law on several occasions.

That, coupled with his unwillingness to ever condemn rapists, makes me worry a little bit about our resident stable boy.

Horseboy is a fascist. Fascists happily condone the most vile crimes as long as it's not done to them or anyone they know.

Sad, but true.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry Reply #53 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 10:16am Gosh gecko has caused BlackDay's parrot of the Mercury to be banished to the back room.
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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #54 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 11:00am

juliar wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 7:03am:

Well Aqua WELFARE is a disincentive to do anything except vote for your WELFARE provider.

WELFARE is like a cocoon protecting the contents from harm and terrible things like work.

My suspicion is that the unions are being paid by the Chinese to get into the fruit picking and make it so expensive the growers go bankrupt and then the Chinese come in and buy the bankrupt fruit farms and then employ Chinese workers.

well it is interesting that chinese businessmen are funding the ALP. they arent doing this except with an expectation of a return.

and the biggest mango farm in qld was recently sold to chinese interests Cheesy

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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #55 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 11:11am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 11:00am:

juliar wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 7:03am:

Well Aqua WELFARE is a disincentive to do anything except vote for your WELFARE provider.

WELFARE is like a cocoon protecting the contents from harm and terrible things like work.

My suspicion is that the unions are being paid by the Chinese to get into the fruit picking and make it so expensive the growers go bankrupt and then the Chinese come in and buy the bankrupt fruit farms and then employ Chinese workers.

well it is interesting that chinese businessmen are funding the ALP. they arent doing this except with an expectation of a return.

And why are they donating to the Liberal Party?

Why were they working on the campaign of Liberal candidate John Alexander in Bennelong?

And, why are they donating $20,000 per year to the Liberal Party in Bennelong?

I'm curious.

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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #56 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 12:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 11:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 11:00am:

juliar wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 7:03am:

Well Aqua WELFARE is a disincentive to do anything except vote for your WELFARE provider.

WELFARE is like a cocoon protecting the contents from harm and terrible things like work.

My suspicion is that the unions are being paid by the Chinese to get into the fruit picking and make it so expensive the growers go bankrupt and then the Chinese come in and buy the bankrupt fruit farms and then employ Chinese workers.

well it is interesting that chinese businessmen are funding the ALP. they arent doing this except with an expectation of a return.

And why are they donating to the Liberal Party?

Why were they working on the campaign of Liberal candidate John Alexander in Bennelong?

And, why are they donating $20,000 per year to the Liberal Party in Bennelong?

I'm curious.

Questions too hard? Undecided

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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #57 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 8:04pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 6:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:08am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 10:59am:

juliar wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 10:57am:

See the gecko troll is back on the childish copy and Xing out drongo act.

The paw sowl hasn't got a clue about the topic but just wants to get noticed. Must be feeling ignored.

“Wage theft is rampant in hospitality. I’d like to see appropriate penalties for businesses who do the wrong thing she said.

“The stories everywhere on wage theft, be it small be it large, it’s so widely spread that it does give a sense that when there are businesses paying proper penalty rates, paying proper entitlements, superannuation, it does feel like that is the exception not the rule."

Unions are doing their bit.

The government needs to do more.

the "individual" is the sticking point.
governments and unions arent your mummy.
you arent a 5 yo.
you need, at some stage in life, to "stand on your own two feet"

So, using your "logic" (Jesus, I'm being very generous this morning), should we do away with our police force?

After all, all they do is enforce the law.

That's what we're talking about here: employers breaking the law.

the "law" as it operates in the workplace is simple.

if you want more money, become more valuable

Once again, you're not concentrating.

Nobody is asking for more money.

They're simply asking for the law to be obeyed.

Are you now going to add wage theft to the list of crimes you condone?

He already has many times.

not at all.

markets are one of the fundamental things to human societies.
and a market involves the trade of one thing for another on the basis that both parties consent to the terms.

its NOT theft.

an employer exchanges money for labour.

if either side is unhappy then they are free to stop exchanging their money for the labour or their labour for the money.

there is nothing that makes a worker go back at 8 am the next day other then the fact that they agree to the terms of the trade.

if it were theft, would you go back and be stolen from every day and then whine and bitch and be a sook about it?

of course not.

any sensible person would be a no-show.

if either side is unhappy then they are free to stop exchanging their money for the labour or their labour for the money.

Yes the right to withdraw labour, strike. No sorry not allowed to do that.

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Re: Wage Theft Rampant In Hospitality Industry
Reply #58 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 6:23am:

not at all.

markets are one of the fundamental things to human societies.
and a market involves the trade of one thing for another on the basis that both parties consent to the terms.

its NOT theft.

an employer exchanges money for labour.

if either side is unhappy then they are free to stop exchanging their money for the labour or their labour for the money.

there is nothing that makes a worker go back at 8 am the next day other then the fact that they agree to the terms of the trade.

if it were theft, would you go back and be stolen from every day and then whine and bitch and be a sook about it?

of course not.

any sensible person would be a no-show.

markets are one of the fundamental things to human societies.

The market is fake - there is no market.

there is nothing that makes a worker go back at 8 am the next day other then the fact that they agree to the terms of the trade.

Only the need to feed a family and pay the bills.

if it were theft, would you go back and be stolen from every day and then whine and bitch and be a sook about it?

of course not.

Of course breaking the law by underpaying wages is stealing from employees. When the authorities are informed they get a light tap on the wrist and asked to pay back some of the money.

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