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Reply #15 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:08am
 
Wait, is this suppose to be a parody or some sort. 

Its full of contradictions.  Just look at your favourite, Exodus 21.  And this is the full passage:

21 “These are the laws you are to set before them:
Hebrew Servants

2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.

5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges.[a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[b] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.

So clearly, the male and female slaves does not receive the same right or consideration.  She is like a commodity  that can be 'given' to master's son. 

Personal Injuries

12 “Anyone who strikes a person with a fatal blow is to be put to death. 13 However, if it is not done intentionally, but God lets it happen, they are to flee to a place I will designate. 14 But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death.

15 “Anyone who attacks[c] their father or mother is to be put to death.

16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.

17 “Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.

18 “If people quarrel and one person hits another with a stone or with their fist[d] and the victim does not die but is confined to bed, 19 the one who struck the blow will not be held liable if the other can get up and walk around outside with a staff; however, the guilty party must pay the injured person for any loss of time and see that the victim is completely healed.

20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

26 “An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. 27 And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.

28 “If a bull gores a man or woman to death, the bull is to be stoned to death, and its meat must not be eaten. But the owner of the bull will not be held responsible. 29 If, however, the bull has had the habit of goring and the owner has been warned but has not kept it penned up and it kills a man or woman, the bull is to be stoned and its owner also is to be put to death. 30 However, if payment is demanded, the owner may redeem his life by the payment of whatever is demanded. 31 This law also applies if the bull gores a son or daughter. 32 If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels[f] of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull is to be stoned to death.

33 “If anyone uncovers a pit or digs one and fails to cover it and an ox or a donkey falls into it, 34 the one who opened the pit must pay the owner for the loss and take the dead animal in exchange.

35 “If anyone’s bull injures someone else’s bull and it dies, the two parties are to sell the live one and divide both the money and the dead animal equally. 36 However, if it was known that the bull had the habit of goring, yet the owner did not keep it penned up, the owner must pay, animal for animal, and take the dead animal in exchange.

And it is okay to beat slaves with rod as long as you dont kill them.   And if they take less a day to recover, then the master will not be punished because the slaves are their property. 

I am sorry, but you cant just cherry pick the verses that you like and pretend the others does not exist.  Our morals have changed.  Whilst back at those days, the book of exodus may had been ahead of its time by its moral standard, it is certainly not now.  And I am glad it is.
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Reply #16 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:30am
 
What tickle and rose posted..this is not what Jesus taught

This is old testament brimstone and fire

God is a God of love not hate

God is about forgiveness not revenge

God is about redemption and above all love

What tickle and rose posted is HATE with a capital H

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Reply #17 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:38am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 10:05am:
Aussie wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 4:33pm:
Yadda, we have an idiot from your Village here.  Must have escaped the looney bin there.  Can you come and get him, please.  He is fretting for home.  Cheers.



Not another god gobber and their god gobbing muck Sad




dear sir Nail,
during the time of the Spanish Inquisition you
would have been charged with heresy -
which is no small matter.
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Reply #18 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:37pm
 
red baron wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:30am:
What tickle and rose posted..this is not what Jesus taught

This is old testament brimstone and fire

God is a God of love not hate

God is about forgiveness not revenge

God is about redemption and above all love

What tickle and rose posted is HATE with a capital H



No God is a psychopathic monster who had a good publicist.

"Yes in the past I punished a couple for gaining knowledge, murdered countless children, sanctioned the genocide of a number of civilisations and tortured a man and his family just so I could win a bet. But I've changed and even though I will see to it you are tortured for all eternity if you don't believe in me or do what I say I really do love and forgive you."

God is like the ultimate abusive spouse.

Here are some signs you are in an abusive relationship

Plays tricks to "test" the relationship.
Claims they hurt you because they love you.
Demands you do as they say without question.
If you behave or think in a way in which they disapprove, they threaten you with harm.
Isolate you from anyone who disagrees.
Tells you this is what true love is.
Blames you for their shortcomings.

Sound familiar?

Christians love to talk about how Jesus fixed the Old Testament, or, in other words, obsoleted the horribly offensive parts about slavery, keeping women in their place, killing gays, etc. In fact, he did no such thing.

Here is Jesus speaking specifically on the topic of Old Testament teachings:

The Law Stands

"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Matthew 5:18-19

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”
Luke 16:17

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.”
Matthew 5:17

“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law”
John7:19.

These are the "actual" words of Jesus.

So lets look at a few more of these laws.

The Law That Stands

Blasphemy is Punishable by Death

One who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer. Aliens as well as citizens, when they blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death. (NRSV) — Leviticus 24:16

Cheaters Must Die

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (NIV) — Leviticus 20:10

Dishonoring Your Mother or Father is Punishable by Death

Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Such a person is guilty of a capital offense. (NLT) — Leviticus 20:9

People Who Work on Sunday Should be Killed

You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the LORD. Anyone who works on that day must be put to death. (NLT) — Exodus 35:2

If a Woman is Not a Virgin When She Gets Married, She Has to Die

If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, ‘I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin,’ … and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones … (NKJV) — Deuteronomy 22:13-14,20-21

There’s Nothing Wrong With Slavery

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. (NIV) — Leviticus 25:44

Gays Should be Put to Death

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. (NRSV) — Leviticus 20:13

Women Should Shut the Hell Up and Do as They’re Told

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (NIV) — Timothy 2:11-12

Keep in mind, these aren’t suggestions. They’re not optional. Remember what Jesus said, “Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven…” He also said they’re not open to any personal interpretation.
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Reply #19 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:58pm
 
Raven wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:37pm:
No God is a psychopathic monster who had a good publicist.


Who had gullible fools listening.
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Reply #20 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 10:18pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
Raven wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:37pm:
No God is a psychopathic monster who had a good publicist.


Who had gullible fools listening.


Those who seek consolation in existing churches often pay for their peace of mind with a tacit agreement to ignore a great deal of what is known about the way the world works.
Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience, 1990
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Re: On reasonable service to God
Reply #21 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 10:39pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
Raven wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:37pm:
No God is a psychopathic monster who had a good publicist.


Who had gullible fools listening.



Blasphemy:





There is one faith and all else is sin.
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Reply #22 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 6:13am
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
Raven wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:37pm:
No God is a psychopathic monster who had a good publicist.


Who had gullible fools listening.


It's human nature. We want to believe there is something bigger than us. The christian god is just another link in the chain. As will be whatever replaces it.
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