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Missile threat Hawaii a false alarm.
Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:21am
 
Missile threat alert for Hawaii a false alarm


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By Zachary Cohen, CNN

Updated 2149 GMT (0549 HKT) January 13, 2018
http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/13/politics/hawaii-missile-threat-false-alarm/ind...



Washington (CNN)An emergency alert notification sent out on Saturday claiming a "ballistic missile threat inbound to Hawaii" was a false alarm, according to state leaders and emergency officials.

"BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL,"


the emergency alert read.
While the message caused concern on social media, the Hawaii Office of Emergency Management quickly responded on Twitter, saying, "NO missile threat to Hawaii."

Hawaii Gov. David Ige told CNN that human error caused the alert to go out.
"It was a mistake made during a standard procedure at the change over of a shift, and an employee pushed the wrong button," he said.
The warning went out to television and radio as well as cell phones, Ige added.
Ige also tweeted that he is meeting with top defense and emergency management officials from the state "to determine what caused this morning's false alarm and to prevent it from happening again."

The governor's remarks come after Hawaii Emergency Management Agency Administrator Vern Miyagi headed to the agency's 24-hour operations center to find out why the false alert was sent out, according to an email to CNN.
"The warning was a mistake," Miyagi said.
A second emergency alert was sent to phones in Hawaii 38 minutes after the initial message confirming the false alarm.
CNN was told by a viewer in Hawaii that both the initial threat warning and the message of false alarm more than 30 minutes later came across the TV warning notification system.
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Reply #1 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:24am
 
Gee wizz - how come it took 38 minutes for a new message to say it was a false alarm?
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Reply #2 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am
 
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........
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Reply #3 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:28am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........



No reports of any heart attacks yet.
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Reply #4 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:58am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


There was no mention of a nuclear bomb.

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Reply #5 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:06am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


There was no mention of a nuclear bomb.




I don't believe there are many shelters either.

What were people supposed to do?
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Reply #6 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:09am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:06am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


There was no mention of a nuclear bomb.




I don't believe there are many shelters either.

What were people supposed to do?


Do about what?

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Reply #7 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:10am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:09am:
Do about what?




maybe an incoming missile?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #8 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:11am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:10am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:09am:
Do about what?




maybe an incoming missile?   Roll Eyes


There was no missile.

It was a false alarm.

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Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:20am
 
http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/13/us/hawaii-false-alarm-react/index.html


Hotel guests were "being herded like cows" into the basement, Azbell said.

"People are crying and people obviously were super scared."

Between 200 and 300 people were packed into the hotel's basement -- a storage area, Azbell said, where they kept chairs and other furniture. Nobody had any information about the situation.
After about 15 minutes people began wondering whether the alert had been a false alarm, she said. When they were finally told they could leave several minutes later, Azbell said she was "super relieved."
"Hawaii is beautiful," she told CNN. "But it's not where I want to die."
'People were crawling under tables'
Amy Pottinger's husband is a pilot for the US Air Force, stationed in Hawaii. They and their two children have lived on a military base there for about a year and a half.
Pottinger hadn't seen the alert yet when her husband, who was on his way to work, called to tell her he was on his way home.
He was in a cafe on base when phones started going off around him, Pottinger said. As he was leaving, he saw people taking cover.
"People were crawling under tables and hiding," she said, "and going into buildings that looked more sturdy."
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Reply #10 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:30am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


There was no mention of a nuclear bomb.



I know you're a thick bastard, but why do you advertise the fact?
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Reply #11 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:34am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


There was no mention of a nuclear bomb.



I know you're a thick bastard, but why do you advertise the fact?


No mention of a nuclear bomb.

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Reply #12 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:37am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


There was no mention of a nuclear bomb.



I know you're a thick bastard, but why do you advertise the fact?



Greggy is not playing with a full deck.
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Reply #13 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:38am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:37am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


There was no mention of a nuclear bomb.



I know you're a thick bastard, but why do you advertise the fact?



Greggy is not playing with a full deck.


There was no missile, and there was no mention of a nuclear bomb.

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Reply #14 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:38am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:34am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


There was no mention of a nuclear bomb.



I know you're a thick bastard, but why do you advertise the fact?


No mention of a nuclear bomb.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180113134649-hawaii-missile-alert-false-al...


You don't admit that you're a fvvken moron, but you are......
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Reply #15 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:40am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


No mention of a nuclear bomb.

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Reply #16 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:42am
 
Quote:
Are ballistic missiles Nuclear?


An intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) is a guided ballistic missile with a minimum range of 5,500 kilometres (3,400 mi) primarily designed for nuclear weapons delivery (delivering one or more thermonuclear warheads). ... Short and medium-range ballistic missiles are known collectively as theatre ballistic missiles.


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Reply #17 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:43am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:40am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


No mention of a nuclear bomb.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180113134649-hawaii-missile-alert-false-al...


I guess you think a 'ballistic missile' is like a piñata; it contains lollies..............fool....
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Reply #18 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:46am
 
Greggy,
if a missile is heading towards you -

you don't know if it has a nuclear weapon inside it or
if it's just a test of dummy warhead.

God you're thick.
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Reply #19 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:50am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Greggy,
if a missile is heading towards you -

you don't know if it has a nuclear weapon inside it or
if it's just a test of dummy warhead.



That's correct.

Which is exactly why Fuzzball's comment was so stupid.

"The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........"


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Reply #20 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:52am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:50am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Greggy,
if a missile is heading towards you -

you don't know if it has a nuclear weapon inside it or
if it's just a test of dummy warhead.



That's correct.

Which is exactly why Fuzzball's comment was so stupid.

"The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........"




Rubbish,
if you have an underground shelter you could survive an atomic
bomb of the size that was dropped on Hiroshima as
long as it wasn't a direct hit.
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Reply #21 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:57am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:43am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:40am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


No mention of a nuclear bomb.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180113134649-hawaii-missile-alert-false-al...


I guess you think a 'ballistic missile' is like a piñata; it contains lollies..............fool....


Ballistic missiles are usually armed with a warhead, of which there are many different kinds.

More often than not, they are not nuclear.

Thus, alarm systems certainly are not a waste of time.

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Reply #22 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:59am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:52am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:50am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Greggy,
if a missile is heading towards you -

you don't know if it has a nuclear weapon inside it or
if it's just a test of dummy warhead.



That's correct.

Which is exactly why Fuzzball's comment was so stupid.

"The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........"




Rubbish,
if you have an underground shelter you could survive an atomic
bomb of the size that was dropped on Hiroshima as
long as it wasn't a direct hit.


Fuzzball doesn't agree with you, Booby.

It appears that he knows very little about ballistic missiles and nuclear warheads.

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Reply #23 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:51am
 
only peccahead could debate the pedantry of the situation.

If a warning comes of a ballistic missile in the current NK situation, the assumption would be that it was nuclear. And yes, Nukes are survivable. it depends on where you are and what shelter you have.  Ballistic missiles typical have smaller nukes than those dropped from bombers although still in the 1-3MT range. Also the assumption is that the missile would hit its presumed target which is a lot harder than you think. Soviet ballstic missiles were so inaccurate that hitting the right country was a challenge, nevermind the right city or target.

it must have been spooky to get that message however.
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longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:51am:
only peccahead could debate the pedantry of the situation.

If a warning comes of a ballistic missile in the current NK situation, the assumption would be that it was nuclear.
And yes, Nukes are survivable. it depends on where you are and what shelter you have.  Ballistic missiles typical have smaller nukes than those dropped from bombers although still in the 1-3MT range. Also the assumption is that the missile would hit its presumed target which is a lot harder than you think. Soviet ballstic missiles were so inaccurate that hitting the right country was a challenge, nevermind the right city or target.

it must have been spooky to get that message however.


Nobody's on your side, Fuzz.

"The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........"
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Reply #25 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 11:34am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:56am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:51am:
only peccahead could debate the pedantry of the situation.

If a warning comes of a ballistic missile in the current NK situation, the assumption would be that it was nuclear.
And yes, Nukes are survivable. it depends on where you are and what shelter you have.  Ballistic missiles typical have smaller nukes than those dropped from bombers although still in the 1-3MT range. Also the assumption is that the missile would hit its presumed target which is a lot harder than you think. Soviet ballstic missiles were so inaccurate that hitting the right country was a challenge, nevermind the right city or target.

it must have been spooky to get that message however.


Nobody's on your side, Fuzz.

"The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........"



dont try and escape you pedantry. Yes, nukes ARE survivable, but it is largely NOT. 1% survival rate is hardly a fact to hang on to.
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Reply #26 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 11:37am
 
It is worth noting that the message went on to say that it was a NK NUCLEAR missile.

So of course people were worried. Who wouldnt be?
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Reply #27 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 11:59am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 11:37am:
It is worth noting that the message went on to say that it was a NK NUCLEAR missile.


I haven't seen that.

Do you have a screen shot?

This is the only one I've seen:


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Reply #28 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 12:18pm
 
Now they know what will happen if there is a ballistic missile attack on most American cities....There would be chaos with no one knowing what to do....Now America can have that debate with media telling the population what they should do in case of a real attack and politicians using the event for domestic political gain....Make America safe again???

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Reply #29 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 12:35pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 11:59am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 11:37am:
It is worth noting that the message went on to say that it was a NK NUCLEAR missile.


I haven't seen that.

Do you have a screen shot?

This is the only one I've seen:


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/8258/production/_99586333_missle.jpg


Teh info came from a HAwaii resident being interviewed on MSNBC who said that further info said it was a NK nuke.
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Reply #30 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 12:59pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 11:59am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 11:37am:
It is worth noting that the message went on to say that it was a NK NUCLEAR missile.


I haven't seen that.

Do you have a screen shot?

This is the only one I've seen:


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/8258/production/_99586333_missle.jpg


Teh info came from a HAwaii resident being interviewed on MSNBC who said that further info said it was a NK nuke.


Cheers.

That's not quite right, though.

The lady who said that made a mistake.

Watch the video:

http://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/hawaii-resident-shares-experi...

"... or something like that ... to that effect".

There was no further info mentioning a NK nuclear bomb.
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Reply #31 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:15pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 12:18pm:
Now they know what will happen if there is a ballistic missile attack on most American cities....There would be chaos with no one knowing what to do....Now America can have that debate with media telling the population what they should do in case of a real attack and politicians using the event for domestic political gain....Make America safe again???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps someone accidentally hit the wrong button twice or perhaps it was a ploy to ramp up tensions in the US people.

If that was the case - it worked!


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Reply #33 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:56am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:51am:
only peccahead could debate the pedantry of the situation.

If a warning comes of a ballistic missile in the current NK situation, the assumption would be that it was nuclear.
And yes, Nukes are survivable. it depends on where you are and what shelter you have.  Ballistic missiles typical have smaller nukes than those dropped from bombers although still in the 1-3MT range. Also the assumption is that the missile would hit its presumed target which is a lot harder than you think. Soviet ballstic missiles were so inaccurate that hitting the right country was a challenge, nevermind the right city or target.

it must have been spooky to get that message however.


Nobody's on your side, Fuzz.

"The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........"


You're still an idiot peccahead.

You do realise that the nukes today are probably 40/50/100 times bigger than the Japanese bombs............

Hawaii, the big island would be vaporised, and the blast would probably take out the small islands as well............

Survival, wouldn't be an option.........

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Reply #34 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:24pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:56am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:51am:
only peccahead could debate the pedantry of the situation.

If a warning comes of a ballistic missile in the current NK situation, the assumption would be that it was nuclear.
And yes, Nukes are survivable. it depends on where you are and what shelter you have.  Ballistic missiles typical have smaller nukes than those dropped from bombers although still in the 1-3MT range. Also the assumption is that the missile would hit its presumed target which is a lot harder than you think. Soviet ballstic missiles were so inaccurate that hitting the right country was a challenge, nevermind the right city or target.

it must have been spooky to get that message however.


Nobody's on your side, Fuzz.

"The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........"


You're still an idiot peccahead.

You do realise that the nukes today are probably 40/50/100 times bigger than the Japanese bombs............

Hawaii, the big island would be vaporised, and the blast would probably take out the small islands as well............

Survival, wouldn't be an option.........



I'm not the one saying they'd survive - that was Booby and Longy.

I'm saying that there was no mention of NK or nuclear bombs in the message.

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Reply #35 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:29pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
You're still an idiot peccahead.

You do realise that the nukes today are probably 40/50/100 times bigger than the Japanese bombs............

Hawaii, the big island would be vaporised, and the blast would probably take out the small islands as well............

Survival, wouldn't be an option.........




It is doubtful that Kim could put an H bomb on a nuclear missile
so it would more likely be the size of the Hiroshima explosion.

Also - it is unlikely that he could target close to where he wanted &
whether his missiles could survive re -entry without breaking up.
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Reply #36 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:29pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
You're still an idiot peccahead.

You do realise that the nukes today are probably 40/50/100 times bigger than the Japanese bombs............

Hawaii, the big island would be vaporised, and the blast would probably take out the small islands as well............

Survival, wouldn't be an option.........




It is doubtful that Kim could put an H bomb on a nuclear missile
so it would more likely be the size of the Hiroshima explosion.

Also - it is unlikely that he could target close to where he wanted &
whether his missiles could survive re -entry without breaking up.


Another 5-10 years and NK could hit Sydney/Melbs
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Reply #37 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:37pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:29pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
You're still an idiot peccahead.

You do realise that the nukes today are probably 40/50/100 times bigger than the Japanese bombs............

Hawaii, the big island would be vaporised, and the blast would probably take out the small islands as well............

Survival, wouldn't be an option.........




It is doubtful that Kim could put an H bomb on a nuclear missile
so it would more likely be the size of the Hiroshima explosion.

Also - it is unlikely that he could target close to where he wanted &
whether his missiles could survive re -entry without breaking up.



Doubtful......... that's the attitude booby.........we are talking about Hawaii aren't we.............now do you seriously think NK would send a missile which just explodes with no nuclear yield........and risk the US ICBM retaliation for a moderate result?

Use that little pea of a brain booby..........

If NK ever sends a missile to US territory, it WILL be a nuclear equipped warhead................Incidentally booby, the warhead is nuclear NOT the fvvken missile, the missile is just a vehicle....... Wink
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Reply #38 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:40pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:29pm:
... could survive re -entry without breaking up.


Booby, can you survive re ...

No, too easy.


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Reply #39 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:20pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:29pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
You're still an idiot peccahead.

You do realise that the nukes today are probably 40/50/100 times bigger than the Japanese bombs............

Hawaii, the big island would be vaporised, and the blast would probably take out the small islands as well............

Survival, wouldn't be an option.........




It is doubtful that Kim could put an H bomb on a nuclear missile
so it would more likely be the size of the Hiroshima explosion.

Also - it is unlikely that he could target close to where he wanted &
whether his missiles could survive re -entry without breaking up.



Doubtful......... that's the attitude booby.........we are talking about Hawaii aren't we.............now do you seriously think NK would send a missile which just explodes with no nuclear yield........and risk the US ICBM retaliation for a moderate result?

Use that little pea of a brain booby..........

If NK ever sends a missile to US territory, it WILL be a nuclear equipped warhead................Incidentally booby, the warhead is nuclear NOT the fvvken missile, the missile is just a vehicle....... Wink



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Reply #40 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:20pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:29pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
You're still an idiot peccahead.

You do realise that the nukes today are probably 40/50/100 times bigger than the Japanese bombs............

Hawaii, the big island would be vaporised, and the blast would probably take out the small islands as well............

Survival, wouldn't be an option.........




It is doubtful that Kim could put an H bomb on a nuclear missile
so it would more likely be the size of the Hiroshima explosion.

Also - it is unlikely that he could target close to where he wanted &
whether his missiles could survive re -entry without breaking up.



Doubtful......... that's the attitude booby.........we are talking about Hawaii aren't we.............now do you seriously think NK would send a missile which just explodes with no nuclear yield........and risk the US ICBM retaliation for a moderate result?

Use that little pea of a brain booby..........

If NK ever sends a missile to US territory, it WILL be a nuclear equipped warhead................Incidentally booby, the warhead is nuclear NOT the fvvken missile, the missile is just a vehicle....... Wink



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Thank you booby, and I forgive you for talking shite.........

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Reply #41 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:33pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:32pm:
Thank you bobby, and I forgive you for talking shite.........

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But I wrote the truth:


It is doubtful that Kim could put an H bomb on a nuclear missile
so it would more likely be the size of the Hiroshima explosion.

Also - it is unlikely that he could target close to where he wanted &
whether his missiles could survive re-entry without breaking up.
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Reply #42 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:37pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:33pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:32pm:
Thank you bobby, and I forgive you for talking shite.........

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But I wrote the truth:


It is doubtful that Kim could put an H bomb on a nuclear missile
so it would more likely be the size of the Hiroshima explosion.

Also - it is unlikely that he could target close to where he wanted &
whether his missiles could survive re-entry without breaking up.


The title of this thread concerns a 'false alarm' from Hawaii about a missile attack............unless you know something the CIA and others don't know, I still think you were posting nonsense.....
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Reply #43 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:42pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:37pm:
The title of this thread concerns a 'false alarm' from Hawaii about a missile attack............unless you know something the CIA and others don't know, I still think you were posting nonsense.....



Why?

The only large bomb they ever let off was between 100 Kt & 170 Kt in size.
It might have been an enhanced Uranium bomb & not an H bomb.

Have there been any tests of NK missiles where the missile didn't break up on re-entry?
Don't think so.

That means I'm right.

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Reply #45 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 4:49pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:37pm:
The title of this thread concerns a 'false alarm' from Hawaii about a missile attack............unless you know something the CIA and others don't know, I still think you were posting nonsense.....



Why?

The only large bomb they ever let off was between 100 Kt & 170 Kt in size.
It might have been an enhanced Uranium bomb & not an H bomb.

Have there been any tests of NK missiles where the missile didn't break up on re-entry?
Don't think so.

That means I'm right.

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The message said nothing about NK, or nuclear bombs.

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Reply #46 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 3:21am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:24am:
Gee wizz - how come it took 38 minutes for a new message to say it was a false alarm?


It would take 10 minutes for a missile to get from North Korea to Hawaii, on a slow day. You would not have time to run to cover, had it been a real threat in play. Even if North Korea shot a missile towards my house and I got the message immediately, I would just stay put where I am, because I would know that there is nowhere I could go in the time it takes for the missile to get here.
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Reply #47 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 3:36am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:40am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


No mention of a nuclear bomb.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180113134649-hawaii-missile-alert-false-al...


What makes you think it matters whether they mention nuclear missile or not? The fact that a danger is present is enough for people to be warned. Calling it a missile is enough of a description. For if it were a real scenario, then you would not want people panicked to the point that they run each other down trying to find a shelter.
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Reply #48 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 3:47am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:56am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:51am:
only peccahead could debate the pedantry of the situation.

If a warning comes of a ballistic missile in the current NK situation, the assumption would be that it was nuclear.
And yes, Nukes are survivable. it depends on where you are and what shelter you have.  Ballistic missiles typical have smaller nukes than those dropped from bombers although still in the 1-3MT range. Also the assumption is that the missile would hit its presumed target which is a lot harder than you think. Soviet ballstic missiles were so inaccurate that hitting the right country was a challenge, nevermind the right city or target.

it must have been spooky to get that message however.


Nobody's on your side, Fuzz.

"The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........"


You're still an idiot peccahead.

You do realise that the nukes today are probably 40/50/100 times bigger than the Japanese bombs............

Hawaii, the big island would be vaporised, and the blast would probably take out the small islands as well............

Survival, wouldn't be an option.........


The Hawaiian Islands would be mainly safe for 95% of the region. Only about a 5km radius of the blast area would see fatalities. 5 - 10km would see people outside getting burned. Outside a 10km radius of ground zero, people would be generally okay. I think radiation levels harmful to people would stick around for up to a week. Though, people might be okay after 48 hours to come back.
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Reply #49 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 7:18am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 3:36am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:40am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am:
Now this is LAUGHABLE...............how many poor bastards with bad hearts fell off the perch because an idiot made a "false alarm"........

The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........


No mention of a nuclear bomb.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180113134649-hawaii-missile-alert-false-al...


What makes you think it matters whether they mention nuclear missile or not? The fact that a danger is present is enough for people to be warned. Calling it a missile is enough of a description. For if it were a real scenario, then you would not want people panicked to the point that they run each other down trying to find a shelter.


It matters because Fuzzball made this ridiculous comment:

"The is NO escape from a nuclear bomb, so any alarm system is a total waste of time........"
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Reply #50 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:33pm
 
You don't know where a missile is going to land. It could land in the middle of the city. Or it could land on your house. A non-nuclear missile could land in a residential area and kill anyone within 50 - 100 metres of the target. Anyone who has done research on the devastating effects of the nuclear missiles would know that you are basically focked if you live within a few kilometres of the blast area. 10 minutes does not allow you much time to grab a few items, your family and drive out of the city. That includes a scenario where you are informed the second a missile is launched.

I can imagine what I would do under a nuclear attack on my town. I would grab my shoes and socks (not putting them on). I would get my mobile, wallet and glasses (1 minute). I would get into my car and drive out the driveway (1 minute) whether I lock the front door or not. I would drive at high speed through all red lights north to get as far away from the town as possible. I think I would make it to Parkhurst or onto the Yeppoon highway before the impact of nuclear missile. Then I would keep driving until I found a store where I could purchase (or receive freely) essential items.

The basic fact of the matter is the 8 minutes drive time would be ideally enough time for me to get away from the blast area, under optimal circumstances. You can get away. However, it is unlikely that a scenario would present itself where you get enough time to get away from a targeted area.
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Reply #51 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:41pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
You don't know where a missile is going to land. It could land in the middle of the city. Or it could land on your house. A non-nuclear missile could land in a residential area and kill anyone within 50 - 100 metres of the target. Anyone who has done research on the devastating effects of the nuclear missiles would know that you are basically focked if you live within a few kilometres of the blast area. 10 minutes does not allow you much time to grab a few items, your family and drive out of the city. That includes a scenario where you are informed the second a missile is launched.

I can imagine what I would do under a nuclear attack on my town. I would grab my shoes and socks (not putting them on). I would get my mobile, wallet and glasses (1 minute). I would get into my car and drive out the driveway (1 minute) whether I lock the front door or not. I would drive at high speed through all red lights north to get as far away from the town as possible. I think I would make it to Parkhurst or onto the Yeppoon highway before the impact of nuclear missile. Then I would keep driving until I found a store where I could purchase (or receive freely) essential items.

The basic fact of the matter is the 8 minutes drive time would be ideally enough time for me to get away from the blast area, under optimal circumstances. You can get away. However, it is unlikely that a scenario would present itself where you get enough time to get away from a targeted area.



The worst place would be inside your car.
The EMP would stop the engine & the bright light
from the explosion would come though the windows -
it would burn and blind you.

The best place would be under your house.
If I lived in Hawaii I would make a dugout underneath my house
- preferably with reinforced concrete.

If it was an H-bomb within 20 km you would have no chance no matter what you did.
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Reply #52 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 11:24pm
 
An $80 million dollar nuclear missile would be difficult to get away from, no matter what you do. I could imagine a nuclear power giving some country an hour's notice before launch that they will nuke a city and where. That city would see mass casualties as people gridlock the streets and a few people who block the way as they give in and wait for the end.

I would never get out of town to avoid a H bomb. Even given half an hour's notice, I might get caught up in the traffic jams and could not get 20km away to safety. If the streets were clear, I could probably make it.
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Reply #53 - Jan 18th, 2018 at 1:39am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
You don't know where a missile is going to land. It could land in the middle of the city. Or it could land on your house. A non-nuclear missile could land in a residential area and kill anyone within 50 - 100 metres of the target. Anyone who has done research on the devastating effects of the nuclear missiles would know that you are basically focked if you live within a few kilometres of the blast area. 10 minutes does not allow you much time to grab a few items, your family and drive out of the city. That includes a scenario where you are informed the second a missile is launched.

I can imagine what I would do under a nuclear attack on my town. I would grab my shoes and socks (not putting them on). I would get my mobile, wallet and glasses (1 minute). I would get into my car and drive out the driveway (1 minute) whether I lock the front door or not. I would drive at high speed through all red lights north to get as far away from the town as possible. I think I would make it to Parkhurst or onto the Yeppoon highway before the impact of nuclear missile. Then I would keep driving until I found a store where I could purchase (or receive freely) essential items.

The basic fact of the matter is the 8 minutes drive time would be ideally enough time for me to get away from the blast area, under optimal circumstances. You can get away. However, it is unlikely that a scenario would present itself where you get enough time to get away from a targeted area.



The worst place would be inside your car.
The EMP would stop the engine & the bright light
from the explosion would come though the windows -
it would burn and blind you.

The best place would be under your house.
If I lived in Hawaii I would make a dugout underneath my house
- preferably with reinforced concrete.

If it was an H-bomb within 20 km you would have no chance no matter what you did.


If you live just out of town, you probably have a buried concrete sewer pit. Best to lever off the cover and jump in.

In this case its best to be in the poo than out.
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