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Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:00am
 
Once again the Australian Appeals Tribunal over-turns Peter Dutton's order to have a violent criminal deported.

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"Minister for Immigration and Border Protection Peter Dutton fought the decision.

A delegate of Mr Dutton's argued the man was a danger to the community and refused his request for a protection visa.

AAT deputy president Brian Rayment overturned that decision".
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Reply #1 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:23am
 
Apparently Dutton enjoys sending people to their death.
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Reply #2 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:25am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:23am:
[quote]Elected politicians being stymied by bureaucrats.


This decision making process should not be the option of a politician in the first place.
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Reply #3 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 12:39pm
 
Dutton is a child in politics... and is not alone there.  It is the place of the relevant government organisation to make those decisions, and they are not the personal province of an elected representative or minister.

It seems that the LNP in particular is pursuing some form of the 'cult of personality' and is seeking to dupe the voting public into thinking that the Gauleiter for anything has some ultimate power and right.  This is a very dangerous path to tread and leads directly to despotism and arbitrary control over anyone at any time, with or without valid reason, by a very small minority who assume they know better.

We are supposed to assume that Dutton is some kind of omnipotent 'man on a horse' who can dictate every move of his appointed fiefdom..... I personally find him laughable....

Such an approach is decidedly anti-democratic.

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Reply #4 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 12:46pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:23am:
Apparently Dutton enjoys sending people to their death.


"The man, known only as BHKM, claimed he could face extrajudicial killing if he was deported back to the Philippines, the Herald Sun reported. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5265929/Ice-addict-wins-appeal-against-d...

So now we can't deport in case they are subject to vigilante justice? Bizarre.
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Reply #5 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:04pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:23am:
Apparently Dutton enjoys sending people to their death.


"The man, known only as BHKM, claimed he could face extrajudicial killing if he was deported back to the Philippines, the Herald Sun reported. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5265929/Ice-addict-wins-appeal-against-d...

So now we can't deport in case they are subject to vigilante justice? Bizarre.


BKHM?  Boho Karam?  Cheesy
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Reply #6 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:27pm
 
Dutton is deporting these criminals for a very good reason, they represent a real danger to the Australian Public

So what if the crim is scared for his life in the Philippines, better for them to have him there than here

Its called Karma
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Reply #7 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:19pm
 
Dutton is there to show leadership in his role as Minister, and final decisions are left to his discretion as it has always been no matter what party has been in office. It's called 'Ministerial Discretion'.

He's entirely correct to rid this country of a serial offender who has been a blight and a criminal parasite upon Australian society for all of his life.



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Reply #8 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 6:18pm
 
I'm sure our immigration program is only there just to keep the cops and the courts in work

There's a lot of "New Australians" getting booked lately. "Enriching" is taking on a new meaning, but it's anyone's guess what it is
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Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 6:44pm
 
This bureaucracy was established by not just individual politicians, but acts of elected governments, with the explicit intention of restricting the essentially bureaucratic power of individual MPs. While it is not part of the court system, it is a good analog of the judiciary and it's decisions are subject to judicial review.
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Reply #10 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:07pm
 
Peter Dutton's intention to have this recidivist criminal returned to the Philippines did not transgress any laws, and so the decision of the AAT has been purely one of exercising whimsical discretion in the same way as Parole Boards operate.

The AAT has no more moral or judicial superiority with their subjective decisions than does Peter Dutton, and it's time this collection of un-elected liberal-progressives was stripped of its powers except in the most extreme of cases. There wouldn't be a solitary individual working for the AAT who isn't a committed Lefty of the sort who work for the ABC.

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Reply #11 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:20pm
 
What about the ferals in the Senate blocking govt legislation ?
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Reply #12 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 11:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 6:44pm:
This bureaucracy was established by not just individual politicians, but acts of elected governments, with the explicit intention of restricting the essentially bureaucratic power of individual MPs. While it is not part of the court system, it is a good analog of the judiciary and it's decisions are subject to judicial review.


In a nut shell!!!

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Reply #13 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 11:25pm
 
juliar wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 10:20pm:
What about the ferals in the Senate blocking govt legislation ?



What about the Senate blocking feral govt legislation?
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Reply #14 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 8:27am
 
The government could disband it overnight if they wanted to. But not Peter Dutton acting on his own. I expect they do not want to be perceived as responsible if this dealer gets lynched.
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