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Re: Tipping
Reply #180 - Jan 15^th, 2018 at 5:35pm

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 5:25pm:

If I tipped them enough to go to uni it might help them in the long run. Generally the intention is to help them in the short term.

Yes, the intention is always good. I have no doubts about that.

However, it's not helping them in the long run.

Tipping has already been cited as a reason for abolishing penalty rates.

If Australians continue to tip in this country, it will almost certainly result in the erosion of more entitlements.

When that happens, these workers will have to rely on those tips to live.

I don't think anyone wants to see that happen.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47460 At my desk.	Re: Tipping Reply #181 - Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:38pm We should also abolish salaries for Macca's employees. After all, it is only just enough to get by on, so obviously does them no good in the long run. How wonderful it is to have union logic to steer us away from our moral instincts...
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131547 Gender:	Re: Tipping Reply #182 - Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:43pm freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:38pm: We should also abolish salaries for Macca's employees. After all, it is only just enough to get by on, so obviously does them no good in the long run. How wonderful it is to have union logic to steer us away from our moral instincts... What a ridiculous post. I expected better from you.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47460 At my desk.	Re: Tipping Reply #183 - Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:45pm I think your union propaganda has it backwards Greg. The tips are the extra bits that people will save up for emergency or bettering their lot. Tips are more likely to help people in the longer term than their base salary is. The unions would destroy any opportunity they can.
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Re: Tipping
Reply #184 - Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:47pm

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

I think your union propaganda has it backwards Greg. The tips are the extra bits that people will save up for emergency or bettering their lot. Tips are more likely to help people in the longer term than their base salary is. The unions would destroy any opportunity they can.

I think you're not thinking at all.

Tipping has already been cited as a reason for abolishing penalty rates.

If Australians continue to tip in this country, it will almost certainly result in the erosion of more entitlements.

When that happens, these workers will have to rely on those tips to live.

I don't think anyone wants to see that happen, except you maybe.

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Re: Tipping
Reply #185 - Jan 15^th, 2018 at 8:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

I think your union propaganda has it backwards Greg. The tips are the extra bits that people will save up for emergency or bettering their lot. Tips are more likely to help people in the longer term than their base salary is. The unions would destroy any opportunity they can.

I think you're not thinking at all.

Tipping has already been cited as a reason for abolishing penalty rates.

If Australians continue to tip in this country, it will almost certainly result in the erosion of more entitlements.

When that happens, these workers will have to rely on those tips to live.

I don't think anyone wants to see that happen, except you maybe.

Such is the struggle of the urban proletariat - yes Greggy?

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Reply #186 - Jan 15^th, 2018 at 11:08pm

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

We should also abolish salaries for Macca's employees. After all, it is only just enough to get by on, so obviously does them no good in the long run.

How wonderful it is to have union logic to steer us away from our moral instincts...

I worked in the fast food industry. Working 30 hours a week was enough to get by with regular hours like that. As far as I know, my former co-workers have talked about how they are going to get minimum hours and better pay to ensure job stability.

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Reply #187 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 12:13am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:42pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:39pm:

Tipping has spread with the rise of the middle-class, in service industries, mostly in countries traditionally associated with unfair labor practices and corruption.

I don't believe the popular wisdom that the Australian reluctance to tip has anything to do with ethos. It is an attitude that was inherited from Britain long before the wages explosion beginning in the 1960s, before which, most people lived "from hand to mouth," and did not use service industries to any great extent. The British and Australia working class did not eat in restaurants other than basic "cafes." They travel by bus, and they counted their pennies when, on rare occasions, they had to take a cab.

It has no place in Australia.

People who tip at coffee shops and restaurants in this country are pretentious arseholes.

Do they tip their garbage collector, or bottle shop attendant, or the person who serves them at Bunnings?

I left 4 x 50ml bottles of mixed spirits for the garbos fot xmas this year and I always tip low wage earners when I can.

God you're a tightarse.

No you don't.

You're a liar.

You don't tip the checkout chick at Coles (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at Bunnings (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at McDonald's (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at the sports store where you buy your kettle weights (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at Bett's when you buy shoes (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at your local chemist when you pick up your Viagra (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at Australia Post (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at JB HiFi when you buy your Taylor Swift CDs (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at David Jones when you buy your wife a frypan for Christmas (VERY low wage earners).

You only tip at restaurants, because you're a pretentious arsehole who likes to show off in front of the person you're dining with.

Well that's a very good point.

All these 'low income workers' don't get 'tipped'.
While the Café Latte Society and Restaurants are 'cashing in' on Tips based upon the USA 'cultural' expectation.
I know of one Restaurant at The Rocks that charges $60 a basic dish and still expects 'tips' for it's staff.
It's a SCAM!
Right up there with the 'Surcharge' (unofficial Tips) that Stores used to racket from Customers.

Any 'snooty' Restaurant that expects me to give them a Tip only gets the advice from me "Yeah sure - Don't rip off customers!"

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Re: Tipping
Reply #189 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 10:35am

Jasin wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 12:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:42pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:39pm:

Tipping has spread with the rise of the middle-class, in service industries, mostly in countries traditionally associated with unfair labor practices and corruption.

I don't believe the popular wisdom that the Australian reluctance to tip has anything to do with ethos. It is an attitude that was inherited from Britain long before the wages explosion beginning in the 1960s, before which, most people lived "from hand to mouth," and did not use service industries to any great extent. The British and Australia working class did not eat in restaurants other than basic "cafes." They travel by bus, and they counted their pennies when, on rare occasions, they had to take a cab.

It has no place in Australia.

People who tip at coffee shops and restaurants in this country are pretentious arseholes.

Do they tip their garbage collector, or bottle shop attendant, or the person who serves them at Bunnings?

I left 4 x 50ml bottles of mixed spirits for the garbos fot xmas this year and I always tip low wage earners when I can.

God you're a tightarse.

No you don't.

You're a liar.

You don't tip the checkout chick at Coles (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at Bunnings (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at McDonald's (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at the sports store where you buy your kettle weights (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at Bett's when you buy shoes (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at your local chemist when you pick up your Viagra (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at Australia Post (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at JB HiFi when you buy your Taylor Swift CDs (low wage earners).

You don't tip the workers at David Jones when you buy your wife a frypan for Christmas (VERY low wage earners).

You only tip at restaurants, because you're a pretentious arsehole who likes to show off in front of the person you're dining with.

Well that's a very good point.

All these 'low income workers' don't get 'tipped'.
While the Café Latte Society and Restaurants are 'cashing in' on Tips based upon the USA 'cultural' expectation.
I know of one Restaurant at The Rocks that charges $60 a basic dish and still expects 'tips' for it's staff.
It's a SCAM!
Right up there with the 'Surcharge' (unofficial Tips) that Stores used to racket from Customers.

Any 'snooty' Restaurant that expects me to give them a Tip only gets the advice from me "Yeah sure - Don't rip off customers!"

Yes, 'scam' is the correct term.

Tipping is not a normal part of Australian culture, and if people continue to do it they'll cause more harm than good.

And, if they insist on doing it why don't they tip all low paid workers - why is it only at restaurants and cafes?

The answer is quite simple, actually: they do it to impress the people they're dining with.

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