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Reply #165 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:13am
 
The sytems fine; it's your level of self-delusion that's astounding.
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Reply #166 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:22am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:13am:
The sytems fine; it's your level of self-delusion that's astounding.


There's no delusion, Homo.

Union members pay a monthly fee to their respective Unions.

If they need assistance, and the Union officials are unable to provide that assistance, the Unions contact me.

I then assist the Union member, at no additional cost to them.

At the end of the month, I submit an invoice to each Union, and they pay me for the services I've provided.

The members are happy - they've been assisted with their workplace issue, and it didn't cost them a cent more than their usual tax deductible, monthly fee.

The Union is happy - they have another happy member and their own resources are freed up, thus enabling them to do other vital work for their members.

I'm happy - I can pay my bills, and continue to help people.



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Reply #167 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:48am
 
You seem to be confused about where the money comes from. Each union member pays thousands of dollars of his/her wages in fees throughout his/her working life. You do understand that's real money? It's nof mamna from heaven. Every dollar you charge has come out of a real person's paypacket, surely you understand that?
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Reply #168 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:56am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:48am:
You seem to be confused about where the money comes from. Each union member pays thousands of dollars of his/her wages in fees throughout his/her working life. You do understand that's real money? It's nof mamna from heaven. Every dollar you charge has come out of a real person's paypacket, surely you understand that?


And let's not forget that a lot of issues between employers and employees are manufactured by the union to justify their parisitic existence.
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Reply #169 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:58am
 
Gordon, i'll leave the issue of union corruption for another day. I'm content to point out that Pecker he is a businessman, not a civil rights leader.
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Reply #170 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:59am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:48am:
You seem to be confused about where the money comes from.

Not at all.

The money comes from the Unions, and they get it directly from their respective members.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:48am:
Each union member pays thousands of dollars of his/her wages in fees throughout his/her working life.

That's correct.

And, when they need assistance they get it, for no additional charge.

Still can't see what your problem is, Homo.
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Reply #171 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:29pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:58am:
Gordon, i'll leave the issue of union corruption for another day. I'm content to point out that Pecker he is a businessman, not a civil rights leader.


I wouldn't even call it corruption, it's the 'set point' hostility that union officials have towards employees. Their objective is to manufacture disharmony between the groups, without that they would not be needed.
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Reply #172 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:34pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:48am:
Each union member pays thousands of dollars of his/her wages in fees throughout his/her working life.

That's right.

Voluntarily.

And, if they ever need personal assistance their Union will help them, for no extra charge.

Of course, all workers have the right to NOT join a Union, and pay the legal costs themselves if they ever run into trouble at work.


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Reply #173 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:51pm
 
Voluntarily! WTF! Did I ever say it was'nt? You keep using the word 'extra' as if union fees are'nt real money. Your pay comes out of the real world paypackets of lower paid workers. It's not that complicated.
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Reply #174 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:57pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:51pm:
Voluntarily! WTF! Did I ever say it was'nt?

You didn't.

I'm merely pointing out a simple fact.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:51pm:
You keep using the word 'extra' as if union fees are'nt real money.

No. Quite the opposite.

Union members pay their Union fees with real money.

However, if they need personal assistance from their Union, they don't have to pay any extra. They've already paid.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:51pm:
Your pay comes out of the real world paypackets of lower paid workers. It's not that complicated.

That's correct.

They voluntarily decide to pay Union fees, and their Unions voluntarily ask for my assistance.

Again, I don't see what your problem is.


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Reply #175 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 1:11pm
 
No problem. You live off the sweat of workers. That's a capitalist in my book. Don't worry, I'm a capitalist too. I'm just not as good at it as you.
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Reply #176 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 1:29pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 1:11pm:
No problem. You live off the sweat of workers. That's a capitalist in my book. Don't worry, I'm a capitalist too. I'm just not as good at it as you.


Blood, sweat, and tears actually.

And I mean that quite literally.

Blood: lots of nasty workers' comp claims.

Sweat: plenty of hard working labourers out there who need help at work.

Tears: it wouldn't be a normal week if someone didn't break down crying on the phone.

Thankfully, their Unions (and I) can help these people without them having to fork out any additional cash on top of their Union fees.

If they weren't Union members they'd have to pay all the bills themselves, and that can be very expensive.

Take your average denied/pended workers' comp claim, for example.

When this happens, the injured worker quite often needs to have a report done by an independent specialist/surgeon.

These start at about $1,500 and go up to around $3,000.

The ones I see, on average, are about $2,000.

If you're a Union member, the Union will cover this cost for you (in the majority of cases).

If you're not in a Union, you have to pay this yourself - upfront.

And this is before the claim starts racking up legal fees.




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Reply #177 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 5:12pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:13am:
The sytems fine; it's your level of self-delusion that's astounding.


There's no delusion, Homo.

Union members pay a monthly fee to their respective Unions.

If they need assistance, and the Union officials are unable to provide that assistance, the Unions contact me.

I then assist the Union member, at no additional cost to them.

At the end of the month, I submit an invoice to each Union, and they pay me for the services I've provided.

The members are happy - they've been assisted with their workplace issue, and it didn't cost them a cent more than their usual tax deductible, monthly fee.

The Union is happy - they have another happy member and their own resources are freed up, thus enabling them to do other vital work for their members.

I'm happy - I can pay my bills, and continue to help people.





Pretty much the definition of capitalism. Do you think the people who give and receive tips are unhappy about the exchange?
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Reply #178 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 5:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 5:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 11:13am:
The sytems fine; it's your level of self-delusion that's astounding.


There's no delusion, Homo.

Union members pay a monthly fee to their respective Unions.

If they need assistance, and the Union officials are unable to provide that assistance, the Unions contact me.

I then assist the Union member, at no additional cost to them.

At the end of the month, I submit an invoice to each Union, and they pay me for the services I've provided.

The members are happy - they've been assisted with their workplace issue, and it didn't cost them a cent more than their usual tax deductible, monthly fee.

The Union is happy - they have another happy member and their own resources are freed up, thus enabling them to do other vital work for their members.

I'm happy - I can pay my bills, and continue to help people.





Pretty much the definition of capitalism.


Your point being ...  Undecided

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Do you think the people who give and receive tips are unhappy about the exchange?

Do you think tipping will help low paid workers in the long run?

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Reply #179 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 5:25pm
 
If I tipped them enough to go to uni it might help them in the long run. Generally the intention is to help them in the short term.
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