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Reply #60 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 8:56am
 
mozzaok wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 5:48pm:
People are now living too long because we're all too healthy.

It's time cigarettes were made and sold for $2 a packet so
that we won't have to pay people pensions for 30 years.


Hell yeah. Who wants to live forever?
I honestly did not expect to make thirty, and I am now more than double that.
I wanted to leave this party a long time ago.

I still smoke, in fact I am right now as I type, and have been a full time smoker since my early teens. I know it is bad, I do not care.
The tax I pay on smokes I care about, what a friggin rip.

So lay in now, the best things in life have mostly been a little naughty, but I never let that stop me.

Banning is a smart idea, prohibition works a treat. The price it is now you could score a pack of smokes from your local ice dealer, it would probably be cheaper.


People are still getting hold of Chop Chop .... it's nearly classed as an illegal drug just because the govt is missing out on it's tax.
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Reply #61 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 8:57am
 
Nom de Plume wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:05pm:
Car pollutants are far more damaging than smokers outside shopping centre's.

for example... https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Community-and-environment/Environmental-management/How-you-can-make-a-difference/Motor-vehicle-pollution.aspx


Try trucks & heavy machinery.

All cars have mandatory pollution gear on them today.
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Reply #62 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 9:11am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 8:56am:
mozzaok wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 5:48pm:
People are now living too long because we're all too healthy.

It's time cigarettes were made and sold for $2 a packet so
that we won't have to pay people pensions for 30 years.


Hell yeah. Who wants to live forever?
I honestly did not expect to make thirty, and I am now more than double that.
I wanted to leave this party a long time ago.

I still smoke, in fact I am right now as I type, and have been a full time smoker since my early teens. I know it is bad, I do not care.
The tax I pay on smokes I care about, what a friggin rip.

So lay in now, the best things in life have mostly been a little naughty, but I never let that stop me.

Banning is a smart idea, prohibition works a treat. The price it is now you could score a pack of smokes from your local ice dealer, it would probably be cheaper.


People are still getting hold of Chop Chop .... it's nearly classed as an illegal drug just because the govt is missing out on it's tax.


A drug lawyer I know told me you'd get a harsher punishment for illegally cultivating tobacco over MJ as they prosecutors go harder
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Reply #63 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 8:20pm
 
Raven wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 5:41am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 5:35pm:
Ban smoking altogether. Save the country billions of dollars in lost revenue, due to smokers wanting to burn away their money in the form of cigarettes. Save the medical costs.


The government will never ban smoking. They make too much money out of it.

The tax on a pack of smokes is about 70% but the government announced that it would implement annual increases in tobacco excise of 12.5% up to and including 2020,

But lets just say it stays at 70%.

A pack a day smoker buys cigarettes at, lets say $30

So they pay the government $21 for the privilege to smoke. Every day.

Now lets say they smoke for 30 years. They have paid, in tax, $229,950 (not including the leap years)

Coupled with the tax on their salary, Raven would argue their medical costs are covered. Also, if we ban smoking altogether we could potentially lose billions of dollars in revenue.


I think you need to think about what you wrote. $30 a day for 365 days a year is $10,950 per year in total. But going by the tax only is $7,665. Either way, that is $10,000+ that could have been saved by the smoker by NOT SMOKING. I have a post about how I quit drinking alcoholic drinks for a year in 2015. I saved enough money not buying alcohol or even junk food for hangover cures that I managed to pay off my credit card ($4000 in debt) inside a year because of the extra repayments I could afford.

The $229,950 from tax smoking over 30 years is money that could have been SAVED and spent on constructive other things. $229,950 is the cost of a very decent home, My parents own a home worth $150,000 in today's terms, and the house is much better than the basic fiberglass home it once was in the 1980s.

If a smoker, somehow, smoking $30 a day in cigarettes instead decided to quit smoking and buy another house to rent out, he or she could be rolling in rent money in the years enough to retire and still get an income. Perhaps retire earlier and live longer. Or buy a new car to replace their old car much sooner. Or travel more often and live a full life. Someone smoking $200,000 worth of cigarettes in 30 years would be KICKING THEMSELVES with the amount of money they spent wasting on cigarettes.

I dwell on the money I wasted on alcohol. Between 2006 and 2015, I must have spent an average of $30 a week on booze and junk food. That is $1500 per year. $13,500 in the 9 years, which is about half my income for the year in my current circumstances. And here I was complaining about being in debt $4000.
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Reply #64 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 8:30pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 8:57am:
Nom de Plume wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:05pm:
Car pollutants are far more damaging than smokers outside shopping centre's.

for example... https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Community-and-environment/Environmental-management/How-you-can-make-a-difference/Motor-vehicle-pollution.aspx


Try trucks & heavy machinery.

All cars have mandatory pollution gear on them today.



Follow a Commodore up a steep hill.... gag.... trucks.... overtake as soon as possible and leave behind... nothing like a lungful of diesel...
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Reply #65 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:23pm
 
i am a smoker. i really think cigarettes should be banned. economically theyre a non elastic good so no matter how much the price goes up people are still going to buy them, i reackon it would put a major dent in government revenue though!!
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Reply #66 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:41pm
 
person wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
i am a smoker. i really think cigarettes should be banned. economically theyre a non elastic good so no matter how much the price goes up people are still going to buy them, i reackon it would put a major dent in government revenue though!!


So instead of the government getting all that tax revenue it should go to drug dealers instead? How many new jails would we have to build to house all the offenders, and where would that money come from?
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Reply #67 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 9:06pm
 
person wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
i am a smoker. i really think cigarettes should be banned. economically theyre a non elastic good so no matter how much the price goes up people are still going to buy them, i reackon it would put a major dent in government revenue though!!


Not in the savings the government makes, though. And all that cigarette money that gets saved will end up being spent on something a lot more substantial and beneficial for the Australian economy. The government will get some tax money out of that, too.
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Reply #68 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 9:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
person wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
i am a smoker. i really think cigarettes should be banned. economically theyre a non elastic good so no matter how much the price goes up people are still going to buy them, i reackon it would put a major dent in government revenue though!!


So instead of the government getting all that tax revenue it should go to drug dealers instead? How many new jails would we have to build to house all the offenders, and where would that money come from?


What... the.... fock? What makes you think that smokers will turn their attention to getting drugs? I realise that quitting smoking is difficult. But you would not be so hooked on nicotine that you would overlook getting nicotine patches and gum in favour of some drugs. Where did your question come from?

Only 3 months ago, I was up in hospital being treated for my hypochondria. A bed over, and behind a curtain, I heard the moaning, guttural-sounding pain of some patient being treated for heroin or whatever drug that patient was withdrawing. It turned out that it was a woman with a severe drug dependency. The nurse gave the patient some sort of pain killer -- assuming that it was not legally available to the public -- and told the patient it was the strongest drug that they had. Half an hour after receiving it, she started moaning again that she was in pain. Had I a criminal psyche about me, I would have gotten hold of a fire extinguisher and beaten her to death. As far as I am concerned, she had been funding my enemies so that they can buy sports cars, etc.

I could tell you about junkies who drive their cars into stores over jealousy issues, etc. But I would have to wonder why you think that smokers would turn their attention to hard drugs as an alternative to cigarettes? Let me guess: You wrote a desperate strawman argument as a way to defend your cigarette habit.
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Reply #69 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 9:40pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 9:21pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
person wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
i am a smoker. i really think cigarettes should be banned. economically theyre a non elastic good so no matter how much the price goes up people are still going to buy them, i reackon it would put a major dent in government revenue though!!


So instead of the government getting all that tax revenue it should go to drug dealers instead? How many new jails would we have to build to house all the offenders, and where would that money come from?


What... the.... fock? What makes you think that smokers will turn their attention to getting drugs? I realise that quitting smoking is difficult. But you would not be so hooked on nicotine that you would overlook getting nicotine patches and gum in favour of some drugs. Where did your question come from?

Only 3 months ago, I was up in hospital being treated for my hypochondria. A bed over, and behind a curtain, I heard the moaning, guttural-sounding pain of some patient being treated for heroin or whatever drug that patient was withdrawing. It turned out that it was a woman with a severe drug dependency. The nurse gave the patient some sort of pain killer -- assuming that it was not legally available to the public -- and told the patient it was the strongest drug that they had. Half an hour after receiving it, she started moaning again that she was in pain. Had I a criminal psyche about me, I would have gotten hold of a fire extinguisher and beaten her to death. As far as I am concerned, she had been funding my enemies so that they can buy sports cars, etc.

I could tell you about junkies who drive their cars into stores over jealousy issues, etc. But I would have to wonder why you think that smokers would turn their attention to hard drugs as an alternative to cigarettes? Let me guess: You wrote a desperate strawman argument as a way to defend your cigarette habit.


Nicotine is a drug - a highly addictive one. That's what person meant by non-elastic good.
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Reply #70 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 9:45pm
 
We should have more freedom not less....Pot should be legalised as well....If people want to smoke, drink or get high it is their choice IMO....It is those who complain about PC so they can be assholes that want to restrict the most freedoms!!!

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Reply #71 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 9:47pm
 
nicotine is devilishly hard to kick- very very highly addictive- i failed more than once but got there in the end
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Reply #72 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 10:10pm
 
We should have more freedom not less....Pot should be legalised as well....If people want to smoke, drink or get high it is their choice IMO....It is those who complain about PC so they can be assholes that want to restrict the most freedoms!!!

Phil, would you draw the line anywhere?

What about some of those synthetic cannabis ones that are bloody dangerous, Ice?
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Reply #73 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 11:44pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Raven wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 5:41am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 5:35pm:
Ban smoking altogether. Save the country billions of dollars in lost revenue, due to smokers wanting to burn away their money in the form of cigarettes. Save the medical costs.


The government will never ban smoking. They make too much money out of it.

The tax on a pack of smokes is about 70% but the government announced that it would implement annual increases in tobacco excise of 12.5% up to and including 2020,

But lets just say it stays at 70%.

A pack a day smoker buys cigarettes at, lets say $30

So they pay the government $21 for the privilege to smoke. Every day.

Now lets say they smoke for 30 years. They have paid, in tax, $229,950 (not including the leap years)

Coupled with the tax on their salary, Raven would argue their medical costs are covered. Also, if we ban smoking altogether we could potentially lose billions of dollars in revenue.


I think you need to think about what you wrote. $30 a day for 365 days a year is $10,950 per year in total. But going by the tax only is $7,665. Either way, that is $10,000+ that could have been saved by the smoker by NOT SMOKING. I have a post about how I quit drinking alcoholic drinks for a year in 2015. I saved enough money not buying alcohol or even junk food for hangover cures that I managed to pay off my credit card ($4000 in debt) inside a year because of the extra repayments I could afford.

The $229,950 from tax smoking over 30 years is money that could have been SAVED and spent on constructive other things. $229,950 is the cost of a very decent home, My parents own a home worth $150,000 in today's terms, and the house is much better than the basic fiberglass home it once was in the 1980s.

If a smoker, somehow, smoking $30 a day in cigarettes instead decided to quit smoking and buy another house to rent out, he or she could be rolling in rent money in the years enough to retire and still get an income. Perhaps retire earlier and live longer. Or buy a new car to replace their old car much sooner. Or travel more often and live a full life. Someone smoking $200,000 worth of cigarettes in 30 years would be KICKING THEMSELVES with the amount of money they spent wasting on cigarettes.

I dwell on the money I wasted on alcohol. Between 2006 and 2015, I must have spent an average of $30 a week on booze and junk food. That is $1500 per year. $13,500 in the 9 years, which is about half my income for the year in my current circumstances. And here I was complaining about being in debt $4000.


Raven's point is the government won't ban cigarettes, they make to much money off it.
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Reply #74 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 11:51pm
 
miketrees wrote on Jan 17th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
We should have more freedom not less....Pot should be legalised as well....If people want to smoke, drink or get high it is their choice IMO....It is those who complain about PC so they can be assholes that want to restrict the most freedoms!!!

Phil, would you draw the line anywhere?

What about some of those synthetic cannabis ones that are bloody dangerous, Ice?


It's interesting actually. The government regulates a product proven to kill tens of thousands of people per year in this country alone.

Yet they ban a product like cannabis which in all of recorded history has killed a grand total of zero people.

Cigarettes kill more people then ice, cocaine and heroin combined.

When they say don't do drugs they must really mean, don't do those untaxed drugs.
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