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Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Jan 8^th, 2018 at 10:55pm

Make Australia great again: Ban the practice of ISLAM in Australia.

....a first step.

Ban the practice of ISLAM in Australia.

...do not ban ISLAM, as a 'religion'.

In truth, ISLAM, is unlike any other 'religion' that is being practiced by mankind.

But ban ISLAM in Australia, because ISLAM [in truth] is a political entity, which is, and has always, masqueraded as a religion.

Ban ISLAM in Australia, because ISLAM is a deceitful and hostile political entity!

There are lots of evidences [from ISLAMIC sources] which make such an argument/proposition difficult to refute.

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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509883266/40#40
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ISLAM's foundational religious texts, have plainly been interpreted by moslem scholars to indicate,
that those who have embraced ISLAM,
have embraced enmity, and hatred, and hostility and warfare and murder, towards those who reject ISLAM.

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past.

They are not dead letters.

They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
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we are pledging to wage war against all mankind, al-Tabari

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ARGUMENT;
No decent or honest person, could submit or consent, to being a supporter of ISLAM's murderous doctrines.

Or, to being a follower, of ISLAM.

ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,
as an endorsed cultural modality.

They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #1 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 10:13am

Moslems who live among us, and who speak with us, face to face, always assure us [and they want us to believe], that ISLAM is simply a religion.

A religion, like any other religion.

Moslems assure us, that ISLAM is a virtuous and tolerant religion.

SUCH ASSURANCES, ARE BARE FACED LIES!

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Ali Kadri - Islamic Council of Queensland vice-president,
features in The Mosque Next Door on SBS.

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"There's no underlying religious text or reasons why [moslems] go out and kill people......"

- Ali Kadri
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https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/we-wont-stop-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-i...

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THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #2 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 10:14am

Moslems who live among us, and who speak with us, face to face, always assure us [and they want us to believe], that ISLAM is simply a religion.

A religion, like any other religion.

But this is what the 'religion' of ISLAM always inspires, in its most devout followers.

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"We are motivated by our religion, by our Qur’an and Sunnah and we are not ashamed of that,..."

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By Nicolai Sennels on May 31, 2017 09:02 am

The real cause of Islamic terrorism: “We are motivated by our religion, by our Qur’an and Sunnah”

Every time a new jihad attack strikes innocents in the West, media and politicians get busy blaming “bad integration,” “poverty,” “marginalization,” “racism,” etc.

For some reason, it never occurs to them to ask if Islamic terrorism has anything to do with Islam and the increasing number of followers of this particular religion in our countries......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/05/the-real-cause-of-islamic-terrorism-we-are-mo...

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This is what the 'religion' of ISLAM always inspires, in its most devout followers.

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Melbourne, 6 Australians dead.

An atrocity, committed by a 'Greek' person claiming that...

"Muslim faith is the correct faith according to the whole world.....

And I am not guilty."

.....n.b. the moslem who did this, considers himself to be a virtuous person.

The precepts of ISLAM require moslems to fight and to kill persons who reject ISLAM.

And ISLAM calls on moslems to fight, and to destroy and to kill Allah's enemies.

Killing the disbeliever [to the moslem], is performing 'good works' for his faith.

Killing the disbeliever, is what all of the religious precepts of ISLAM direct him to do.

All moslems are taught, by ISLAM's precepts, to be combatants, against Allah's enemies.

To fight, to kill, those who 'disbelieve'.

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This is what the 'religion' of ISLAM always inspires, in its most devout followers.

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

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YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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This is what the 'religion' of ISLAM always inspires, in its most devout followers.

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Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters

QUESTION;
What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ???

ANSWER;
ONLY ALLAH KNOWS!

n.b.
ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng.

Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH.

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ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, facilitate, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,
as an endorsed cultural modality.

They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia Reply #4 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 1:05pm Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 12:40pm: More Islamaphobia from Yadda. Yawn, yawn.... Why hasn't it been moved to the 'Islam' Forum? GMods?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131449 Gender:	Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia Reply #5 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 1:11pm Aussie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 1:05pm: Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 12:40pm: More Islamaphobia from Yadda. Yawn, yawn.... Why hasn't it been moved to the 'Islam' Forum? GMods? Well, Yadda is an extremist so I suppose it fits in here, kind of.
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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #6 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 2:06pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 12:40pm:

More Islamaphobia from Yadda.

Yawn, yawn....

Aussie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 1:05pm:

Why hasn't it been moved to the 'Islam' Forum? GMods?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 1:11pm:

Well, Yadda is an extremist so I suppose it fits in here, kind of.

Yeah, greggery, i'm such an 'extremist' that i have encouraged the denizens of OzPol, in their opposition to ISLAM and moslems, to act within the law.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia Reply #7 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 2:07pm But why don't you use the Islam Forum for this Islamic stuff?
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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #8 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 2:13pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 2:07pm:

But why don't you use the Islam Forum for this Islamic stuff?

ISLAM and moslems, in Australia, are 'in the community'.

Moslems living in Australia have claimed, that there is nothing un-Australian about ISLAM.

So maybe my next post involving ISLAM/moslems, will on the GENERAL board.

Yes ?

Ask Malcom Turnbull.

'Moslems are just like us', he would assure us.

.....but Malcolm, as we all know, is a politician.

Malcolm is a 'prince', who tells lies refuses to tell the truth about the moslems who are living among us.

Malcolm 'knows', but he won't 'speak it'.

He's a politician.

Proverbs 14:25
A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful witness speaketh lies.
26 In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.
27 The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #9 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 4:19pm

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Yadda. Another Islamophobe who doesn't understand the Australian Constitution Section 116 which states:

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The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth

In Australia, all Australians enjoy Freedom of Religion, Assembly and Expression. Yadda being ignorant and foolish (wilfully so it appears), refuses to recognise that if the person is a Muslim. Tsk, tsk. run along, Yadda, go back to your playground where all the other Islamophobes like to play. Roll Eyes

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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #10 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 4:19pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Yadda. Another Islamophobe who doesn't understand the Australian Constitution Section 116 which states:

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The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth

In Australia, all Australians enjoy Freedom of Religion, Assembly and Expression. Yadda being ignorant and foolish (wilfully so it appears), refuses to recognise that if the person is a Muslim. Tsk, tsk. run along, Yadda, go back to your playground where all the other Islamophobes like to play. Roll Eyes

But, we could legally restrict migrants from certain countries; that wouldn't be contrary to 116, would it?

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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #11 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:38pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 4:19pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Yadda. Another Islamophobe who doesn't understand the Australian Constitution Section 116 which states:

Quote:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth

In Australia, all Australians enjoy Freedom of Religion, Assembly and Expression. Yadda being ignorant and foolish (wilfully so it appears), refuses to recognise that if the person is a Muslim. Tsk, tsk. run along, Yadda, go back to your playground where all the other Islamophobes like to play. Roll Eyes

But, we could legally restrict migrants from certain countries; that wouldn't be contrary to 116, would it?

The Australian Constitution applies to how the Government operates and to Australian citizens. The Government can make policies which restrict or enable migration from which ever countries it likes. However, it would be immoral to do so because of some mythical belief that people from a certain religion/culture/group do not "integrate". We have seen no evidence of that - they swear allegiance to our nation, swear to support our system of Government and be subject to our laws. They invariably do so, on their holy books. Do you really think people who are serious do that just for the hell of it? I've been to a naturalisation ceremony - several in fact - and I've watched how the participants act before and afterwards. They know they have taken a serious step. A very serious step. Why is it so hard for some other people to accept them at their word? Why? Roll Eyes

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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #12 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:38pm:

We have seen no evidence of that

Sydney.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:38pm:

Do you really think people who are serious do that just for the hell of it? I've been to a naturalisation ceremony - several in fact - and I've watched how the participants act before and afterwards. They know they have taken a serious step. A very serious step. Why is it so hard for some other people to accept them at their word? Why?

Because the mosques they go to may be preaching Wahabist interpretations of Islam, which influence their thinking. We've seen countless examples of second and third generation Muslims in Britain become radicalized. Have they integrated? Does Britain have problems with serious integration? What about Caribbean migrants, or EAST Asian migrants in Britain? Do they have an issue? No.

But, some Muslims do. It is a fact.

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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #13 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 8:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 4:19pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Yadda. Another Islamophobe who doesn't understand the Australian Constitution Section 116 which states:

Quote:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth

In Australia, all Australians enjoy Freedom of Religion, Assembly and Expression.

Brian,

Q.
Religious tolerance. That is what you are claiming that my posts and arguments here 'offend' ?

LOL !!!

Q.
Are you suggesting, that a 'religion' [ISLAM] which encourages its followers, to kill those who reject ISLAM, is a 'religion' which we want to tolerate in Australia, or, that it is a 'religion' which Australian laws should tolerate ?

I don't think so!!

EVIDENCES, AGAINST ISLAM, AND, AGAINST THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509883266/40#40
Quote:

ISLAM's foundational religious texts, have plainly been interpreted by moslem scholars to indicate,
that those who have embraced ISLAM,
have embraced enmity, and hatred, and hostility and warfare and murder, towards those who reject ISLAM.

Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past.

They are not dead letters.

They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

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we are pledging to wage war against all mankind, al-Tabari

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ARGUMENT;
No decent or honest person, could submit or consent, to being a supporter of ISLAM's murderous doctrines.

Or, to being a follower, of ISLAM.

ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, facilitate, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,
as an endorsed cultural modality.

They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #14 - Jan 11^th, 2018 at 8:38am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:38pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 4:19pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Yadda. Another Islamophobe who doesn't understand the Australian Constitution Section 116 which states:

Quote:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth

In Australia, all Australians enjoy Freedom of Religion, Assembly and Expression. Yadda being ignorant and foolish (wilfully so it appears), refuses to recognise that if the person is a Muslim. Tsk, tsk. run along, Yadda, go back to your playground where all the other Islamophobes like to play. Roll Eyes

But, we could legally restrict migrants from certain countries; that wouldn't be contrary to 116, would it?

The Australian Constitution applies to how the Government operates and to Australian citizens. The Government can make policies which restrict or enable migration from which ever countries it likes. However, it would be immoral to do so because of some mythical belief that people from a certain religion/culture/group do not "integrate". We have seen no evidence of that - they swear allegiance to our nation, swear to support our system of Government and be subject to our laws. They invariably do so, on their holy books. Do you really think people who are serious do that just for the hell of it? I've been to a naturalisation ceremony - several in fact - and I've watched how the participants act before and afterwards. They know they have taken a serious step. A very serious step. Why is it so hard for some other people to accept them at their word? Why? Roll Eyes

The highlighted statement is the classic "ostrich-like" perception, or wishful thinking, of progressive-permissive society-sensitive new age humanists who can watch and remain oblivious of Muzlims squashing people with motor vehicles, attacking with knives, and attempting to construct explosives.

It is quite clear that the framers of our Constitution did not anticipate, and perhaps could not imagine, so many followers of a religion could do such things. While the Constitution protects religions, even to the extent of these fanatical varieties, it is also quite clear to any honest person that such provisions are inadequate.

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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #15 - Jan 11^th, 2018 at 3:55pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:38pm:

We have seen no evidence of that

Sydney.

Really? Where? I see no evidence that Muslims do not assimilate to Australian society. Or are you suggesting because some of them dress differently, worship a different God and wear beards, they are not assimilating or integrating into Australian society? Please provide it, Augie. I'd be interested to see it.

Islamophobes invariably bail out at this point for some reason. Perhaps because they're cowards?

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:38pm:

Do you really think people who are serious do that just for the hell of it? I've been to a naturalisation ceremony - several in fact - and I've watched how the participants act before and afterwards. They know they have taken a serious step. A very serious step. Why is it so hard for some other people to accept them at their word? Why?

Because the mosques they go to may be preaching Wahabist interpretations of Islam, which influence their thinking. We've seen countless examples of second and third generation Muslims in Britain become radicalized. Have they integrated? Does Britain have problems with serious integration? What about Caribbean migrants, or EAST Asian migrants in Britain? Do they have an issue? No.

But, some Muslims do. It is a fact.

Do you have any proof that Mosques are teaching "Wahhabist interpretations of Islam", Augie? Other than tabloid media claims about it. In reality, the overwhelming majority of Australian Muslims aren't interested in radical viewpoints about their religion. If they were, we'd be seeing a great, great deal more violence on our streets than we currently are. Roll Eyes

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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #16 - Jan 11^th, 2018 at 4:00pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 4:19pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Yadda. Another Islamophobe who doesn't understand the Australian Constitution Section 116 which states:

Quote:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth

In Australia, all Australians enjoy Freedom of Religion, Assembly and Expression.

Brian,

Q.
Religious tolerance. That is what you are claiming that my posts and arguments here 'offend' ?
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LOL !!!

Yadda, you deliberately set out to offend the Australian belief in religious tolerance. You hate Muslims, that is obvious. When you grow up and stop your games, we might be able to talk. Until then, run along. Roll Eyes

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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #17 - Jan 11^th, 2018 at 4:02pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 8:38am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:38pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 4:19pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Yadda. Another Islamophobe who doesn't understand the Australian Constitution Section 116 which states:

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The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth

In Australia, all Australians enjoy Freedom of Religion, Assembly and Expression. Yadda being ignorant and foolish (wilfully so it appears), refuses to recognise that if the person is a Muslim. Tsk, tsk. run along, Yadda, go back to your playground where all the other Islamophobes like to play. Roll Eyes

But, we could legally restrict migrants from certain countries; that wouldn't be contrary to 116, would it?

The Australian Constitution applies to how the Government operates and to Australian citizens. The Government can make policies which restrict or enable migration from which ever countries it likes. However, it would be immoral to do so because of some mythical belief that people from a certain religion/culture/group do not "integrate". We have seen no evidence of that - they swear allegiance to our nation, swear to support our system of Government and be subject to our laws. They invariably do so, on their holy books. Do you really think people who are serious do that just for the hell of it? I've been to a naturalisation ceremony - several in fact - and I've watched how the participants act before and afterwards. They know they have taken a serious step. A very serious step. Why is it so hard for some other people to accept them at their word? Why? Roll Eyes

The highlighted statement is the classic "ostrich-like" perception, or wishful thinking, of progressive-permissive society-sensitive new age humanists who can watch and remain oblivious of Muzlims squashing people with motor vehicles, attacking with knives, and attempting to construct explosives.

It is quite clear that the framers of our Constitution did not anticipate, and perhaps could not imagine, so many followers of a religion could do such things. While the Constitution protects religions, even to the extent of these fanatical varieties, it is also quite clear to any honest person that such provisions are inadequate.

Until you present evidence that proves that Islam is a religion that full of believers who are "fanatical" and "dangerous", I will assume that you are just spouting Islamophobic bullshit. As far as I am aware, there is no evidence that the overwhelming majorities of Muslims are anything other than peaceful, well assimilated, law-abiding Australians. Roll Eyes

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Reply #18 - Jan 11^th, 2018 at 5:48pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 3:55pm:

Do you have any proof that Mosques are teaching "Wahhabist interpretations of Islam"

In reality, the overwhelming majority of Australian Muslims aren't interested in radical viewpoints about their religion.

Brian,

All mosques in Australia,       teach the principles and precepts of ISLAM,    to the followers of ISLAM.

Mosques in Australia,       teach the principles and precepts of ISLAM.

The imams in Australia,          even teach lessons from,       the KORAN!!!!

Are you going to contest what i have stated ?

On your charge of, "You hate Muslims, that is obvious."

Brian,

QUESTION;
Are you suggesting, that moslems who attend mosque [i.e. the followers of ISLAM living in Australia]
DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE PRINCIPLE PRECEPTS OF ISLAM ARE ?

Brian,

QUESTION;
Are you suggesting, that moslems [i.e. followers of ISLAM]    DO NOT KNOW    that ISLAM teaches and encourages its followers, to kill those who reject ISLAM ?

Brian,

QUESTION;
Are you suggesting, that a 'religion' [ISLAM] which encourages its followers, to kill those who reject ISLAM,    is a 'religion' which we want to tolerate in Australia, or, that it is a 'religion' which Australian laws should tolerate ?

Brian,

QUESTION;
Why do you choose to ignore the evidence before you,       the evidence before your consciousness [your 'reality'],    which proves that those accusations against ISLAM are true ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1515416152/13#13

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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509883266/40#40
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ISLAM's foundational religious texts, have plainly been interpreted by moslem scholars to indicate,
that those who have embraced ISLAM,
have embraced enmity, and hatred, and hostility and warfare and murder, towards those who reject ISLAM.

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past.

They are not dead letters.

They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

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we are pledging to wage war against all mankind, al-Tabari

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ARGUMENT;
No decent or honest person, could submit or consent, to being a supporter of ISLAM's murderous doctrines.

Or, to being a follower, of ISLAM.

ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, facilitate, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,
as an endorsed cultural modality.

They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #19 - Jan 11^th, 2018 at 7:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 4:02pm:

Until you present evidence that proves that Islam is a religion that full of believers who are "fanatical" and "dangerous", I will assume that you are just spouting Islamophobic bullshit.

As far as I am aware, there is no evidence that the overwhelming majorities of Muslims are anything other than peaceful, well assimilated, law-abiding Australians. Roll Eyes

Time and time again moslems who were "well assimilated, law-abiding Australians", just happened to be have been peaceful members of the community,    UNTIL THEY WERE NOT, ANY MORE.

The Flinders Street attacker, Saeed Noori, too, was a "well assimilated, law-abiding Australian",    UNTIL HE WASN'T!.

And then, in a moment in time,       he decided to kill people, fellow Australians, because they were not moslems.

And, moslems want us to believe, that it was just a co-incidence, that Saeed Noori's religion [ISLAM] had always urged him to do this 'HOLY' murdering.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1514017700/7#7
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CONSIDER;
The Afghan, Saeed Noori, who is today, an Australian citizen,
came to Australia as a refugee,
[supposedly] seeking a safe sanctuary country.

And, in order for Saeed Noori to become an Australian citizen,
this moslem would have been required to swear allegiance to Australia, and to affirm that he would seek the best interests, for all of his new fellow citizens.

QUESTION;
Did Saeed Noori suddenly decide to abandon his allegiance to Australia ?

Or, being a moslem, did Saeed Noori, only feign his affection for, and allegiance to, Australia ?

I plumb, for the 2nd!

Either way, Saeed Noori proves once more, that the verbal promises made by the moslem, to the infidel [to any infidel],
ARE NOT WORTH THE PAPER THEY ARE WRITTEN ON.

The allegiance of the moslem, is to ISLAM, and to ISLAM alone, forever.

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This is what the 'religion' of ISLAM always inspires, in its most devout followers.

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IMAGE.....

Melbourne, 6 Australians dead.

An atrocity, committed by a 'Greek' person claiming that...

"Muslim faith is the correct faith according to the whole world.....

And I am not guilty."

.....n.b. the moslem who did this, considers himself to be a virtuous person.

The precepts of ISLAM require moslems to fight and to kill persons who reject ISLAM.

And ISLAM calls on moslems to fight, and to destroy and to kill Allah's enemies.

Killing the disbeliever [to the moslem], is performing 'good works' for his faith.

Killing the disbeliever, is what all of the religious precepts of ISLAM direct him to do.

All moslems are taught, by ISLAM's precepts, to be combatants, against Allah's enemies.

To fight, to kill, those who 'disbelieve'.

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This is what the 'religion' of ISLAM always inspires, in its most devout followers.

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Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters

QUESTION;
What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ???

ANSWER;
ONLY ALLAH KNOWS!

n.b.
ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng.

Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH.

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ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, facilitate, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,
as an endorsed cultural modality.

They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

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Reply #21 - Jan 12^th, 2018 at 5:54pm

Clearly, FOR ALL TO SEE, in this forum of OPEN PUBLIC DEBATE, Brian is unable to refute any of the charges that i bring against 1/ moslems [as a community], and 2/ ISLAM.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 3:55pm:

Do you have any proof that Mosques are teaching "Wahhabist interpretations of Islam"

In reality, the overwhelming majority of Australian Muslims aren't interested in radical viewpoints about their religion.

Yadda wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 5:48pm:

Brian,

All mosques in Australia,       teach the principles and precepts of ISLAM,    to the followers of ISLAM.

Mosques in Australia,       teach the principles and precepts of ISLAM.

The imams in Australia,          even teach lessons from,       the KORAN!!!!

Are you going to contest what i have stated ?

On your charge of, "You hate Muslims, that is obvious."

Brian,

QUESTION;
Are you suggesting, that moslems who attend mosque [i.e. the followers of ISLAM living in Australia]
DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE PRINCIPLE PRECEPTS OF ISLAM ARE ?

Brian,

QUESTION;
Are you suggesting, that moslems [i.e. followers of ISLAM]    DO NOT KNOW    that ISLAM teaches and encourages its followers, to kill those who reject ISLAM ?

Brian,

QUESTION;
Are you suggesting, that a 'religion' [ISLAM] which encourages its followers, to kill those who reject ISLAM,    is a 'religion' which we want to tolerate in Australia, or, that it is a 'religion' which Australian laws should tolerate ?

Brian,

QUESTION;
Why do you choose to ignore the evidence before you,       the evidence before your consciousness [your 'reality'],    which proves that those accusations against ISLAM are true ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1515416152/13#13

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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131449 Gender:	Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia Reply #23 - Jan 12^th, 2018 at 5:58pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12^th, 2018 at 5:56pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Nothing of interest here, nothing at all, just Yadda showing off his Islamophobia again. Tsk, tsk. Islamophobia, and unbelievable ignorance.
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Reply #24 - Jan 12^th, 2018 at 6:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12^th, 2018 at 5:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12^th, 2018 at 5:56pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Nothing of interest here, nothing at all, just Yadda showing off his Islamophobia again. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Islamophobia, and unbelievable ignorance.

Perhaps you'd like to make your contribution to Islamic theology? Or are you just virtue-signalling like everyone else is?

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Reply #25 - Jan 12^th, 2018 at 7:06pm

this site says

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Hatred for the sake of Allah and love for the sake of Allah is called Al Walaa wa al Baraa, a fundamental principle of Islamic ethics and Sharia. A Muslim is to hate what Allah hates and love what Allah loves. Allah hates the Kafir, therefore, a Muslim is to act accordingly.

Amount of Text Devoted to the Kafir

The Koran says that the Kafir may be deceived, plotted against, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and worse. The word is usually translated as “unbeliever” but this translation is wrong. The word “unbeliever” is logically and emotionally neutral, whereas, Kafir is the most abusive, prejudiced and hateful word in any language.

Islam devotes a great amount of energy to the Kafir. The majority (64%) of the Koran is devoted to the Kafir, and nearly all of the Sira (81%) deals with Mohammed’s struggle with them. The Hadith (Traditions) devotes 32% of the text to Kafirs1. Overall, the Trilogy devotes 60% of its content to the Kafir.

Hadith 37%
Sira 81%
Koran 64%
Total 60%

Until muslims are honest and look at the hate in their cult, nothing will change, they are spread around the globe now, so they are truly a world wide problem, their doctrine tells them they are supposed to kill all nonbelievers and apostates.

Oh well religion of peace crapola from our leftards will continue for a while longer, then the world will turn on them both.

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Reply #26 - Jan 12^th, 2018 at 9:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12^th, 2018 at 5:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12^th, 2018 at 5:56pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Nothing of interest here, nothing at all, just Yadda showing off his Islamophobia again. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Islamophobia, and unbelievable ignorance.

Western civilisation must be asserted against Islam at very opportunity. Like a dam, it must be constantly fortified and it must not be allowed to be eroded by the steady and relentless pressure of Islam - or shitheads like you Bwian/gweg.

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Reply #27 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 12:49pm

LOL Bwian is such a joke.

There was and or is a Wahhabist Iman and a prayer room in Bankstown what do you think they teach there bwian...
Also

World 'deserves' an Islamic caliphate, says Bankstown sheik Ismail Al-Wahwah

Australian Associated Press
First published on Sat 11 Oct 2014 10.45 AEDT

A hardline Islamic leader from a group advocating an Islamic caliphate says Muslims should be ready to make sacrifices to achieve it.

“We believe this world deserves a new world order,” Ismail Al-Wahwah declared at an event headed by the controversial Hizb ut-Tahrir organisation.

More than 200 people attended the lecture at Lakemba in Sydney’s west on Friday night where Al-Wahwah, a sheik from Bankstown, denounced Australia’s involvement in the US-led campaign in Iraq and Syria aimed at fighting Isis extremists.

The crowd was engaged and calm except for a moment of slight tension when an audience member asked the sheik about the penalty under sharia law for a Muslim leaving the Islamic faith.

A 70-year-old woman also hit out at Al-Wahwah for criticising Australian values and told him to stop waving his finger around.

Hizb ut-Tahrir advocates that secular governments be replaced and Muslim-majority countries unite under a global caliphate governed by Islamic law.

Al-Wahwah said capitalism had stopped leading the world and Muslims were ready to make sacrifices. “If you want to change, you have to pay the price,” the preacher told the lecture – titled The War to End a Blessed Revolution.

Weeks after 16 people were detained in a counterterrorism operation across western Sydney, Al-Wahwah denounced the police officers who burst into the bedrooms of Muslim women in the pre-dawn raids.

Australian civilisation would pay the price for this for a thousand years, he said. “Who is going to fix the harm done to the women?” he asked.

The prime minister, Tony Abbott, said earlier this week that Hizb ut-Tahrir was a deplorable organisation that had an ideology that justified terrorism.

Al-Wahwah shot back and criticised Australia’s involvement in the US-led operation in Iraq.

The issue was not Iraq or Syria but America wanting to control the world, he said.

“This new invasion will kill hundreds of thousands again and the blood will be on the hands of politicians again,” he said.

Meanwhile it was reported that the convicted terrorist Abdul Nacer Benbrika has been influencing jihadist recruits from prison in a quest to become the spiritual leader of a new generation of Australian extremists.

Concerned over his growing influence, authorities have moved him to a different Victorian prison after several of his followers travelled to Syria to fight with the Islamic State group after visiting him in jail, News Corp Australia reported on Saturday.

Quoting security sources, News Corp says authorities believe Benbrika is seeking to model himself on jailed Indonesian cleric Abu Baku Bashir, the spiritual leader of the Bali bombers, who recently embraced Islamic State.

A self-proclaimed Islamic cleric, Algerian-born Benbrika is serving a 15-year jail term for leading a terrorist group in 2005 that talked of attacking Melbourne’s Crown casino and bombing the MCG.

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Reply #28 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 12:56pm

Sheik Mohammed Omran

Head of the Islamic Information and Support Centre of Australia in Melbourne. Active supporters thought to number about 100. Described as a follower of the hardline Wahhabi tradition of uncompromising traditionalist literalists from Saudi Arabia. Understood to get most of his funding from Saudi sources. Last week claimed the London bombings were not the work of Muslims, but he has earlier claimed he was instrumental in stopping an Indonesian Jemaah Islamiah bombing plot in Australia.

Sheik Abdul Salam Zoud

Head of the Sydney radical sect al-Sunnah wal Jamaah, which has links to Sheik Omran's group. Also a Wahhabi, he was approached by the convicted Australian terrorist Zak Mallah, who wanted his blessing before conducting a planned suicide mission to Lebanon in 2002. In 2000, between 50 and 100 of his supporters attacked Sheik Hilaly, trying to wrench him from his car, after the mufti threw Sheik Zoud's group out of his mosque for their extreme views.

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Reply #29 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:04pm

Man Haron Monis

A recent convert to the Wahhabi Salafi Islamic sect, a self-styled Islamic cleric aged 50, decided to mount a lone wolf operation to restore glory and pride to his perceived oppressed Sunni brothers.

On 15 December 2014, this man of ‘Peace’ aka "Manteghi Boroujerdi” and “Sheikh Haron” armed with a pump action shot gun went into a busy Sydney café and held 17 innocent Australians hostage demanding an ISIS flag and to talk to the Australian Prime Minister. The siege ended early on the morning of 16 December, when he shot one of the hostages and was then killed by police.

Significantly, Haron recently converted from Shia Islam to a radical version of Sunni Islam, Wahhabi Salafism. Most terrorist attacks against the West have been perpetrated by Sunni extremists from the Wahhabi Salafi Takfiri cult which the Australian PM correctly describes as a Death Cult who seek martyrdom in killing Shia’s and Westerners.

We are told he was a lone wolf but he was a leader in the Sydney Islamic Community also known as Sheik Haron. He has devotees/followers. The police and counter terrorist organizations would be wise to round them up and question each of them and keep an eye on them.

So bwian where was he converted to Wahhabism and by whom?

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Reply #31 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 2:17pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 12:49pm:

World 'deserves' an Islamic caliphate, says Bankstown sheik Ismail Al-Wahwah

Australian Associated Press
First published on Sat 11 Oct 2014 10.45 AEDT

A hardline Islamic leader from a group advocating an Islamic caliphate says
Muslims should be ready to make sacrifices to achieve it.

Sacrificing their life, for the glory of Allah and for the glory their faith, is 'par for the course', among followers of ISLAM.

All followers of ISLAM understand that.

Quote:

Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"

"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"

"Jihad is our path"

"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

do a search on YT, for
Mohammed Morsi - The Koran is our constitution

Moslems frequently have been seen, [in a moment of 'indiscretion'] to openly affirm their desire to die for the glory of Allah and for the glory their faith.

People like Malcom Turnbull simply pretend that moslems never say these things.

Moslems [even here in Australia] not infrequently have been seen, to murder non-moslems, for the glory of Allah and their faith.

People like Malcom Turnbull simply pretend that 'real' moslems never do these things.

PROPOSITION;
Do you think that Malcom Turnbull, perhaps worships the Moon ?

Perhaps, because Malcom Turnbull also believes that the moon is made of green cheese ?

.....i do suggest that, because he's clearly a lunatic [...to so brazenly ignore and deny what is true].

It true!!!

/sarc off

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There are no 'innocent' moslems, in Australia.

Every moslem in Australia, is a moslem.

Every moslem has chosen, and continues to choose, to give his allegiance to ISLAM.

Mainstream ISLAM is a vile, murderous death cult.

Persons who publicly deny that TRUTH are lunatics, imo.

Dictionary;
lunatic = = a person who is mentally ill. an extremely foolish person.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, facilitate, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,
as an endorsed cultural modality.

They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

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Reply #32 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 2:33pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:04pm:

Man Haron Monis

......
On 15 December 2014, this man of ‘Peace’ aka "Manteghi Boroujerdi” and “Sheikh Haron” armed with a pump action shot gun went into a busy Sydney café and held 17 innocent Australians hostage demanding an ISIS flag and to talk to the Australian Prime Minister. The siege ended early on the morning of 16 December, when he shot one of the hostages and was then killed by police.

We are told he was a lone wolf but he was a leader in the Sydney Islamic Community also known as Sheik Haron.

TOO MANY 'LONE WOLF'S' !!!!!!!

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By Robert Spencer on Oct 31, 2017 06:12 pm

NY Governor Cuomo on NYC jihad massacre:
......No evidence to suggest wider plot, “no ongoing threat”

No evidence to suggest a wider plot or an ongoing threat?

Really, Governor?

Here’s some: last June, the Islamic State published a poster depicting an SUV driving over a heap of skulls and bearing the legend “Run Over Them Without Mercy.”

And the Islamic State issued this call in September 2014: So O muwahhid, do not.....

Google

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TOO MANY 'LONE WOLF'S' !!!!!!!

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Flaws in the 'Lone Wolf' Analysis

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As former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a critic of the lone wolf analysis for years now, has observed (and tweeted)

"the lone wolf has become a pack of wolves and the pack of wolves has a common ideology."

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Ultimately the "lone wolf" analysis provides a useful tool for anyone seeking to disconnect Islam from jihad attacks.

http://www.meforum.org/6164/flaws-in-lone-wolf-analysis

Those in authority, and who are charged with protecting us from criminality, and from terrorism,
continue to refuse to associate the terrorism which we are seeing EVERYDAY with the precepts of ISLAM, which encourage terrorism.

"which we are seeing EVERYDAY"

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

QUESTIONS;
Why do so many among us, so readily accept the denials which come from the moslem,
when they [moslems] insist that they totally dis-associate themselves, from all of the violent extremism that we see,
when that violent extremism can be directly linked to the teachings of ISLAM ?

A violent extremism which seems to 'infect' so many individuals, who are associated with ISLAM ?

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

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TOO MANY 'LONE WOLF'S'

TOO MANY latent, wanna-be homicidal maniacs !!!!!!!

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, facilitate, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,
as an endorsed cultural modality.

They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 39497	Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia Reply #33 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 3:50pm Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Nothing of interest here, nothing at all, just some of the usual crowd showing off his Islamophobia again. Tsk, tsk.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia Reply #34 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 8:14pm Oh dear bwian I guess that means you support importing the Islamic terrorist ideology and its followers. You care nothing for your fellow Australians then eh bwian... Well done bwian... just the sort of LW PC Prog we all know you to be. Ignorance is true bliss for you then eh.
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 40460 Gender:	Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia Reply #35 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:09pm
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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #36 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 5:24pm

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:09pm:

These YT are not showing up, in your post Frank.
It is just showing a blank post in my browser.
as per format
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=229&v=cbdtMLc2i38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=232&v=6j_7Lb82y64

i'm trying this format......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbdtMLc2i38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j_7Lb82y64

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 40460 Gender:	Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia Reply #38 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:22pm Try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=229&v=cbdtMLc2i38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=232&v=6j_7Lb82y64
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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #39 - Feb 4^th, 2018 at 8:08am

BWIAN... Quote:

We have seen no evidence of that - they swear allegiance to our nation, swear to support our system of Government and be subject to our laws

yep bwian is the classic.... head in the sand...

Hmmm, now that reminds me of something.....

Oh yeah Muslims show no evidence of what?
They swear allegiance to our nation, according to bwian yet don't mean it...
Their allegiance is to Islam...

They swear support of our system of government according to bwian... really bwian? Yet attend anti-democracy meetings and rallies...

Seen and called for at every Hizb ut-Tahrir meeting... "Democracy is a system of Kufr. It is forbidden to adopt, implement or call for it."

And of course they are subject to our laws according to bwian, yet don't obey them or have respect for them...
And we all know many examples of that from not standing in court, refusing to be identified, practicing bigamy, spitting at and swearing at police, killing police, acts of terrorism etc, etc, etc...

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia Reply #41 - Feb 4^th, 2018 at 6:08pm Wassup bwian.... can't refute, can't argue, can't debate.... we all know you can't bwian...
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Re: Make Australia great again: Ban ISLAM in Australia
Reply #42 - Feb 8^th, 2018 at 9:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 5:38pm:

......some mythical belief that people from a certain religion/culture/group do not "integrate".

We have seen no evidence of that - [the followers of ISLAM] swear allegiance to our nation, swear to support our system of Government and to be subject to our laws.

Apologists, for the followers of ISLAM living in Australia,    have argued that we have nothing to be concerned about [with moslems living among us],
because moslem immigrants       have sworn     to be subject to Australian laws, just like everyone else.

Yet we have all witnessed time and time again, that    many moslems    [living among us, here in Australia],          1/ don't obey our laws,          2/ appear to have little respect for Australian laws, and       3/ openly show utter disrespect to the authority of our Australian courts.

an example.....

Homegrown Terrorist has been collecting Welfare for over 19 years.

3 min
dead link.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd5LnH3vsgg n.b. current YT links can be removed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3CSC4zTWW0

n.b.
Within the first 30 secs in the YOUTUBE video, witness the utter disrespect for our Australian legal process of 'one law for all', demonstrated by the followers of ISLAM, living among us, here in Australia....
[in the YOUTUBE video, moslem thugs are seen beating journalists, causing an affray, on the street outside an Australian court].

Why so ?

Because a group, of [other] followers of ISLAM have been condemned and convicted,
and SHAMED by our justice system, and moslems do not like the consequences of our fair and open legal process.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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