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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92296 Gender:	Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab? Reply #30 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:16pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:08pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:04pm: And when did Sheik Hilayly give his sermon, Homo? 2006. Which month? You should know this one, Homo - it was during Ramadan.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 39536	Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab? Reply #31 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:10pm: No Brian. At Hilali's response to the sentencing. All that cat meat stuff and 65 years business. Ah. OK, so why not comment about Fred Nile's similar comments about Bikinis?
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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #32 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm

October 2006 sermon[edit]
Comments concerning dress and rape[edit]
In October 2006, Hilaly delivered a Ramadan sermon in Arabic in which he made statements concerning female clothing which proved highly controversial. The key part of these was:
If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf, the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

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Reply #33 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:21pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

October 2006 sermon[edit]
Comments concerning dress and rape[edit]
In October 2006, Hilaly delivered a Ramadan sermon in Arabic in which he made statements concerning female clothing which proved highly controversial. The key part of these was:
If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf, the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Do you mean ten months after Skaf's appeal was dismissed?

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Reply #34 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

No Brian. At Hilali's response to the sentencing. All that cat meat stuff and 65 years business. Roll Eyes

Ah. OK, so why not comment about Fred Nile's similar comments about Bikinis? Roll Eyes

I don't like Fred Nile either. I doubt Fred Nile ever blamed a group of girls for being gang raped. Plus Hilali was the Sunni Muslim leader for Australia and NZ which is rather alarming for a leader to be saying that. Fred Nile is the leader of nobody but some inner city church..

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Reply #35 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

No Brian. At Hilali's response to the sentencing. All that cat meat stuff and 65 years business. Roll Eyes

Ah. OK, so why not comment about Fred Nile's similar comments about Bikinis? Roll Eyes

I think he was referring to bikinis on men, Brian, but point noted.

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Reply #36 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:25pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

October 2006 sermon[edit]
Comments concerning dress and rape[edit]
In October 2006, Hilaly delivered a Ramadan sermon in Arabic in which he made statements concerning female clothing which proved highly controversial. The key part of these was:
If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf, the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Do you mean ten months after Skaf's appeal was dismissed?

9 months after final sentencing.

On 3 February 2006 the High Court refused leave to appeal, arguing that the New South Wales Court of Criminal Appeal had been left with no choice because of the many errors by the trial judge in sentencing Skaf to 46 years.

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Reply #37 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:45pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

No Brian. At Hilali's response to the sentencing. All that cat meat stuff and 65 years business. Roll Eyes

Ah. OK, so why not comment about Fred Nile's similar comments about Bikinis? Roll Eyes

I don't like Fred Nile either. I doubt Fred Nile ever blamed a group of girls for being gang raped. Plus Hilali was the Sunni Muslim leader for Australia and NZ which is rather alarming for a leader to be saying that. Fred Nile is the leader of nobody but some inner city church..

Then you have not listened to his comments about women wearing revealing clothing, such as Bikinis. I see little difference between conservative church leaders from any denomination. They all hold conservative views on most issues. Nile, Hilaly, etc. However, they are all entitled to voice those views even if they are distasteful to the majority of Australians under our implied Right to Freedom of Speech. Be they Christian or Muslim, they are allowed to speak them. Roll Eyes

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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #38 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 8:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

No Brian. At Hilali's response to the sentencing. All that cat meat stuff and 65 years business. Roll Eyes

Ah. OK, so why not comment about Fred Nile's similar comments about Bikinis? Roll Eyes

I don't like Fred Nile either. I doubt Fred Nile ever blamed a group of girls for being gang raped. Plus Hilali was the Sunni Muslim leader for Australia and NZ which is rather alarming for a leader to be saying that. Fred Nile is the leader of nobody but some inner city church..

Then you have not listened to his comments about women wearing revealing clothing, such as Bikinis. I see little difference between conservative church leaders from an denomination. They all hold conservative views on most issues. Nile, Hilaly, etc. However, they are all entitled to voice those views even if they are distasteful to the majority of Australians under our implied Right to Freedom of Speech. Be they Christian or Muslim, they are allowed to speak them. Roll Eyes

Far enough. Don't whinge when I write my stuff then.

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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #40 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 9:03pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

October 2006 sermon[edit]
Comments concerning dress and rape[edit]
In October 2006, Hilaly delivered a Ramadan sermon in Arabic in which he made statements concerning female clothing which proved highly controversial. The key part of these was:
If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf, the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Do you mean ten months after Skaf's appeal was dismissed?

Do you want me to repeat the question?

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Reply #41 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 9:41pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 9:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

October 2006 sermon[edit]
Comments concerning dress and rape[edit]
In October 2006, Hilaly delivered a Ramadan sermon in Arabic in which he made statements concerning female clothing which proved highly controversial. The key part of these was:
If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf, the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Do you mean ten months after Skaf's appeal was dismissed?

Do you want me to repeat the question?

what are you asking

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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #42 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 9:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

No Brian. At Hilali's response to the sentencing. All that cat meat stuff and 65 years business. Roll Eyes

Ah. OK, so why not comment about Fred Nile's similar comments about Bikinis? Roll Eyes

Because he is not a spineless apologist with an idiotic fixation on carefully weighing every criticism of Islam with an equal criticism of Christianity.

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Reply #43 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 9:59pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 9:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

October 2006 sermon[edit]
Comments concerning dress and rape[edit]
In October 2006, Hilaly delivered a Ramadan sermon in Arabic in which he made statements concerning female clothing which proved highly controversial. The key part of these was:
If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf, the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Do you mean ten months after Skaf's appeal was dismissed?

Do you want me to repeat the question?

what are you asking

How many months was it between Skaf's appeal ruling and Hilayly's sermon was it? Can you add this up?

If not, why not?

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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #44 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 10:00pm

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 9:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

No Brian. At Hilali's response to the sentencing. All that cat meat stuff and 65 years business. Roll Eyes

Ah. OK, so why not comment about Fred Nile's similar comments about Bikinis? Roll Eyes

Because he is not a spineless apologist with an idiotic fixation on carefully weighing every criticism of Islam with an equal criticism of Christianity.

Which comments did Fred Nile make on bikinis, FD?

Would you care to answer that?

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