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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47316 At my desk.	Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab? Reply #15 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:53pm Women should not be forced to wear a black tent in 40 degree heat. It should be up to them whether they get pack raped while collecting drinking water.
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92202 Gender:	Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab? Reply #16 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:23pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:52pm: Didn't Hilali throw those comments out when Bilal Skaf and he's mates got lengthy prison sentences for gang rape dear? Did he? I'll let you do the honours, dear.
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92202 Gender:	Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab? Reply #17 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:24pm freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:53pm: Women should not be forced to wear a black tent in 40 degree heat. It should be up to them whether they get pack raped while collecting drinking water. Men too, FD.
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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #18 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:31pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:52pm:

Didn't Hilali throw those comments out when Bilal Skaf and he's mates got lengthy prison sentences for gang rape dear?

Did he?

I'll let you do the honours, dear.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf,the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #19 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:35pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:31pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:52pm:

Didn't Hilali throw those comments out when Bilal Skaf and he's mates got lengthy prison sentences for gang rape dear?

Did he?

I'll let you do the honours, dear.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf,the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Thanks, Homo. What's the time line?

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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #20 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:37pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:31pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:52pm:

Didn't Hilali throw those comments out when Bilal Skaf and he's mates got lengthy prison sentences for gang rape dear?

Did he?

I'll let you do the honours, dear.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf,the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Thanks, Homo. What's the time line?

It's all the same speech as I'm aware. Check it out on WikiLeaks. October 2006 sermon

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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #21 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:40pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:37pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:31pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:52pm:

Didn't Hilali throw those comments out when Bilal Skaf and he's mates got lengthy prison sentences for gang rape dear?

Did he?

I'll let you do the honours, dear.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf,the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Thanks, Homo. What's the time line?

It's all the same speech as I'm aware. Check it out on WikiLeaks. October 2006 sermon

6 years after the rapes?

Are you sure of that?

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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #22 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:44pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:37pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:31pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:52pm:

Didn't Hilali throw those comments out when Bilal Skaf and he's mates got lengthy prison sentences for gang rape dear?

Did he?

I'll let you do the honours, dear.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf,the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Thanks, Homo. What's the time line?

It's all the same speech as I'm aware. Check it out on WikiLeaks. October 2006 sermon

6 years after the rapes?

Are you sure of that?

His case was still going through the courts in 2006 babe.

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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #23 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:50pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:44pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:37pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:31pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:52pm:

Didn't Hilali throw those comments out when Bilal Skaf and he's mates got lengthy prison sentences for gang rape dear?

Did he?

I'll let you do the honours, dear.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf,the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Thanks, Homo. What's the time line?

It's all the same speech as I'm aware. Check it out on WikiLeaks. October 2006 sermon

6 years after the rapes?

Are you sure of that?

His case was still going through the courts in 2006 babe.

Are you sure of that?

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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #24 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:53pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:44pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:37pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:31pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:52pm:

Didn't Hilali throw those comments out when Bilal Skaf and he's mates got lengthy prison sentences for gang rape dear?

Did he?

I'll let you do the honours, dear.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf,the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Thanks, Homo. What's the time line?

It's all the same speech as I'm aware. Check it out on WikiLeaks. October 2006 sermon

6 years after the rapes?

Are you sure of that?

His case was still going through the courts in 2006 babe.

Are you sure of that?

Yes. Look it up. He got done in late 2000, after several appeals he got his sentenced reduced to 28 years in 2005 and was before the courts again in 2006 on (I think) a high court appeal. I don't know why dumbass Hilali said 65 years when in 2006 he was getting 46 years. Hilali's comments obviously were in reference to Skaf's hefty sentence which is absolutely disgusting.

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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #25 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:55pm

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Gang rapes[edit]
Main article: Sydney gang rapes
Skaf was engaged at the time of his arrest and although his fiancée stood by him during his trial,[7] she ended their engagement soon after his conviction. Skaf's response was to sketch cartoons depicting his former fiancée being raped and murdered.[1] Since he was first charged in November 2000, Skaf has remained unrepentant. During his trial he claimed he was involved only in cases of consensual sex, laughed when his verdict was read and swore at the judge when he received his sentence.[citation needed]
On 16 September 2005, the New South Wales Court of Criminal Appeal reduced Skaf's 55-year sentence to a maximum of 28 years, with parole available after 22 years.[8] NSW Attorney-General Bob Debus decided that the government would seek leave for an appeal to the High Court of Australia against the sentence reduction. An earlier appeal had already reduced his sentence to 46 years, after a successful appeal against one of his convictions.[9]
On 3 February 2006 the High Court refused leave to appeal, arguing that the New South Wales Court of Criminal Appeal had been left with no choice because of the many errors by the trial judge in sentencing Skaf to 46 years.[2] That meant Skaf could be freed at the age of 42 in 2023.[10] A further appeal led to a 31-year sentence being imposed.[3] Skaf will now be eligible for release on 11 February 2033.[11]

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92202 Gender:	Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab? Reply #26 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:04pm And when did Sheik Hilayly give his sermon, Homo?
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab? Reply #27 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:08pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:04pm: And when did Sheik Hilayly give his sermon, Homo? 2006.
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Re: What does the Quran really say about hijab?
Reply #28 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:09pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:53pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:44pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:37pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:31pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:52pm:

Didn't Hilali throw those comments out when Bilal Skaf and he's mates got lengthy prison sentences for gang rape dear?

Did he?

I'll let you do the honours, dear.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf,the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Thanks, Homo. What's the time line?

It's all the same speech as I'm aware. Check it out on WikiLeaks. October 2006 sermon

6 years after the rapes?

Are you sure of that?

His case was still going through the courts in 2006 babe.

Are you sure of that?

Yes. Look it up. He got done in late 2000, after several appeals he got his sentenced reduced to 28 years in 2005 and was before the courts again in 2006 on (I think) a high court appeal. I don't know why dumbass Hilali said 65 years when in 2006 he was getting 46 years. Hilali's comments obviously were in reference to Skaf's hefty sentence which is absolutely disgusting.

Hang on a second. Are you suggesting that the sentence handed down to Skaf was "absolutely disgusting" when it was 65 years? For what he did? Really? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #29 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:53pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:44pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:37pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:31pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 4:52pm:

Didn't Hilali throw those comments out when Bilal Skaf and he's mates got lengthy prison sentences for gang rape dear?

Did he?

I'll let you do the honours, dear.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
— Taj El-Din Hilaly[25][26]
He also said, "in the state of zina, the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."[27] Hilaly later claimed that he had intended to suggest that "if a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame...but a man should be able to control himself." He also contended that his references to the prison sentence of Bilal Skaf,the leader of a group of Lebanese Australians who committed gang rapes in Sydney in 2000, in which he said that women would "sway suggestively" before men "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years", were aimed at illustrating the need for harsh sanctions for rape.[27]

Thanks, Homo. What's the time line?

It's all the same speech as I'm aware. Check it out on WikiLeaks. October 2006 sermon

6 years after the rapes?

Are you sure of that?

His case was still going through the courts in 2006 babe.

Are you sure of that?

Yes. Look it up. He got done in late 2000, after several appeals he got his sentenced reduced to 28 years in 2005 and was before the courts again in 2006 on (I think) a high court appeal. I don't know why dumbass Hilali said 65 years when in 2006 he was getting 46 years. Hilali's comments obviously were in reference to Skaf's hefty sentence which is absolutely disgusting.

Hang on a second. Are you suggesting that the sentence handed down to Skaf was "absolutely disgusting" when it was 65 years? For what he did? Really? Roll Eyes

No Brian. At Hilali's response to the sentencing. All that cat meat stuff and 65 years business. Roll Eyes

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