A dog's breakfast': Anthony Albanese slams NBN after roll out delays

Canberra Times
January 4 2018

Residents in Sydney's inner west and south have been urged to sign a petition calling on the government to “fix the mess” of the national broadband network after delays left locals without a date they could expect to switch.   

Anthony Albanese, the federal member for the Grayndler electorate, launched the online petition on January 2, urging the government to “give us our NBN” and slamming the delays.

Within two days, 650 people had signed the petition. Of those, 53 per cent said they did not have the NBN but wanted the service.

Another 21.3 per cent had the NBN but were unhappy with it, and 2.6 per cent had the NBN and were happy with it.

“It’s a dog’s breakfast,” Mr Albanese said.   

There are about 55,890 homes and businesses in Grayndler and the latest figures showed 2878 were connected to the NBN, he said, adding Australians had initially been promised the NBN by 2016.


The main suburbs in this electorate include those around Annandale, Balmain, Birchgrove, Enmore, Haberfield, Rozelle, Stanmore and St Peters. It also includes parts of Marrickville and Newtown.

Premises in this area are largely expecting to connect through existing pay TV cables, known as hybrid fibre coaxial (HFC) connections. They now face an additional six to nine month wait after the NBN said in November it would delay its HFC rollout due to higher levels of customer complaints.

An online search using addresses within this footprint on the NBN Co’s connection tool usually has the response “we’re currently getting the NBN broadband access network up and running in your area” and encourages residents to check back in February.

“HFC is the predominant rollout method in Grayndler. It is unclear when these issues will be resolved,” Mr Albanese said.

Acting communications minister Simon Birmingham said 3 million households and businesses had been connected to the NBN since 2013.

“In the electorate of Grayndler, no homes were ever connected to the NBN under the former Labor government,” Mr Birmingham said.

“Today, more than 30,000 homes are ready to connect in Grayndler and thousands more have construction underway in their neighbourhoods.”

It's understood that prior to the HFC pause, construction was under way or completed for 70 per cent of homes and businesses within the electorate.

The NBN Co did not provide comment, but has repeatedly said that despite the delays, it is on track to deliver completion by 2020.

In December, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull agreed he'd said everyone would have access to 25 megabits by 2016 but when they “did the audit on the NBN shortly after coming into government in 2013, it was perfectly plain that that objective could not be realised”   

That's what happens when voters let an incompetent Labor Minister come up with an idea on the back of a napkin and the fool implements it without industry consultation and no CBA. Labor has really screwed this up from the outset. This government is merely ttying to make the most of appalling decision making by Conroy.

My NBN is slower than adsl2 

Vote Liberal 

The economic ramifications of a crap internet connection go right over the heads of the rtards but they will be felt for generations to come   , Tony said the internets was just for games porn and movies this is what happens when you vote for a party that has no business running a modern economy

And Lefties don't deny it was the Labor imbeciles who started their too expensive NeverBuiltNetwork chaotic shambles.

Yet another corrupt union controlled Labor disaster.

is Bill on holidays or is Albo making a run for :abor Leadership?
Someone should tell Albo the roll out is faster than it was under Labor and that not everyone needs a rolled gold NBN connection.
In fact it appears most don't.

The MTM is a mistake of Turnbull's doing....

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-01/manning-what-went-wrong-with-the-nbn/72104...

juliar wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 10:43am:


If all you've got is 8 year old cartoons, you've got nothing

DocSmith tries to deny it all as Lefties tend to do.

And LW changes feet again.

The Lefties are kind of sensitive about Labor's abortive Socialist Spying Network, their too expensive impractical NeverBuiltNetwork.



And DocSmith gets a giggle out of the Juliar Gillard cartoons


And the Socialist Sheeple let the NeverBuiltNetwork disaster thru





And remember when Conroy discovered asbestos in the pits ?

juliar wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 11:19am:


It would now be the Coalition sub standard spying network....If it is never ever built then I suppose we should blame Turnbull who took over and stuffed it up???

yep you can drink that...

Its time wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 11:47am:


That's the day I dread when my already substandard ADSL 2+ connection is replaced with an even more substandard NBN connection

I know someone with NBN who is lucky to get 1.5mbps on a good day. And even with new copper wires and modem replaced hasn't made one bit of difference. Go copper broadband !!

Malcolm chose to change to fttn and hfc - both are not fit for purpose, do not pay for themselves (the roi on both is less than 3%) and the opex is much double when compared with fttp.

Not only will the mtm never pay for itself, it has added 20+ billion and 10+ years onto the final rollout.

FTTC is a stop gap.

This deserves a royal commission - by the time Australian has rolled out fttp we will have spent 130 billion+ - we will have rolled out fttn,fttc,fttdp and finally fttp - what's the point?

People have also reported they cannot get above 25mbs and in some cases receive slower speeds on fttn.

Not to mention the 250,000 service class 0 premises that can now not even order a service thanks the fttn/hfc.

We also won't think about the 12 month delay on hfc - thanks to both networks never being designed for more than 30% subscriber rates.

All of the LNP supporters blaming anyone but the LNP and Malcolm for this mess are deluded at best!

No ones buying what Mal.com is selling - he stuffed it and will be made to pay.

We are now behind Kazakhstan!!!

And don't forget for a moment it was all Labor's idea and that's why it is cursed.

And if you want fiber optic cable so much then pay for it yourself.

https://www.chorus.co.nz/help-and-support/broadband-explained/what-can-affect-my...

Distance
If you’re on the copper network, the further away you are from the cabinet or exchange, the slower your broadband speed. We can deliver VDSL services over the copper network within approximately 800m of the cabinet; ADSL 2+ within two kilometres of the cabinet and ADSL within six kilometres of the cabinet;

Fibre broadband is not affected by distance.

Copper quality
The quality of the copper line delivering your broadband can affect speed. Your broadband provider will be able to investigate and confirm the quality of your line using diagnostic tools.

Technology
GPON technology uses a light signal to transmit data over a fibre optic cable to and from your house. It provides ultra-fast and ultra-consistent speeds because light signals are not impacted by distance or interference.

ADSL and VDSL technology use an electrical signal to transmit data over a copper cable to and from your home.  The speed is impacted by both distance and interference. VDSL is a newer technology and provides much faster speeds than ADSL.

This pretty much sums up why mal.com is such a bad idea!

Of course, one only needs to look at something like this...

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2560092

... to see that we're getting ripped off here in Australia. As usual.

Wow look at that eh.
Most posts on Whirlpool understand exactly what I do.
Country size, population and pop density, cost of living, government, etc, etc, etc...

And, the reason why no-one's interested in the "faster" speeds here in Australia is because most people with FTTN (fibre to the node) can't get anywhere near 100/40 and in a lot of cases not even 50/20, thanks to Malcolm Turnbull and his "Soona, Fasta, Cheapa" NBN mess.

In fact, some people who have lost "Node Lotto" (too far from the node) have trouble even getting 25/5.

Grendel wrote on Jan 12^th, 2018 at 3:33pm:


People aren't buying 100/40 because their connections cannot support them - fttn and hfc cannot guarantee a speed.

You want to spend 20k for a fod connection - because it's not as simple as running fibre back to the nearest hub - it has to be run back to the exchange because the LNP cheaped out on backhaul.

The LNP f*cked it.

Let me guess - as an i.t specialist you sell mobile phones?

Wrong and wrong...

People have been buying less because they cant afford what ISPs charge for more.

In actuality the vast majority don't need more and if you read the latest on the NBN etc, then you'd see I am correct and you are full of it.

Many ISPs are now creating packages of 50 instead of offering 100.
Even if everyone had FTTH there would still be ISP problems with choke points and peak activity times.

Jennifer Duke
   
The highest-speed plan on the national broadband network is becoming a tough sell for telecommunications companies amid concerns the risks and costs are outweighing the benefits.

A combination of discounts for the slower 50 Mbps speed plans, action by the regulator over unachievable speeds and a budget-sensitive public has industry sources warning 100 Mbps speed plans might not be offered by major telcos in the future.

The NBN: How fast is fast?

As the national broadband network is rolled out, we investigate some of the wholesale services it's going to provide.

Some carriers had already stopped offering 100 Mbps plans,

said Joseph Hanlon, spokesman for comparison site WhistleOut, which audits about 40 per cent of NBN plans.

Its latest audit found Vocus Group providers iPrimus and Dodo dropped these plans from their sites in late-2017.

It’s understood one of the main reasons for dropping these plans was lack of customer take-up, with the brands targeting the budget end of the market.

In 2017, more than 80 per cent of NBN users were on speeds of 25 Mbps or less – the lowest plans available

.

Now that the NBN has provided wholesale discounts on its 50 Mbps speed tier range, telcos have moved quickly to drop prices for this plan, or bump customers on 25 Mbps plans into a faster tier.

This has seen the take-up of 50 Mbps plans jump from less than 3 per cent to about 30 per cent, while the percentage of new orders for 100 Mbps plans remains stable at about 9 per cent of all orders.

There was no NBN discount on 100 Mbps speed tier, though there are bandwidth discounts across speed plans.

Australia's fixed internet recently ranked 55th in the world, behind countries like Austria, Slovenia, Czech Republic and Kazakhstan, with an average speed of 25.88 Mbps.

The focus on 50 Mbps product, with no change to 100 Mbps, had MyRepublic managing director ANZ Nicholas Demos warning his company might stop selling the top tier, because the 50 Mbps products were significantly more attractive to sell.

To date, MyRepublic has sold only the fastest-speed plans, but flagged the introduction of 50 Mbps products this month.

Angus Kidman, spokesman for comparison site Finder, agreed the current discount structures made selling 50 Mbps plans more appealing and was not surprised that it did “appear that some providers are dumping the 100 plans".

“Given the widespread perception that NBN plans don't deliver maximum speeds, the push from [the regulator] to make sure providers advertise ‘realistic’ speeds and the relatively low-demand for high-priced 100 deals, it makes sense that providers aimed at the cost-sensitive end of the market might decide it's safer and easier to just not offer the high-speed packages.”

Industry sources also mentioned increased scrutiny from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) as a major factor.

Thousands of Fibre To The Node (FTTN) and Fibre To The Building (FTTB) customers are set to be compensated after it was found last year they could not get the speeds they were paying for, with the majority having signed up for 100 Mbps plans.

Almost 26,500 of about 42,200 compensated Telstra customers were on this highest-speed plan. Of 8330 clients Optus will compensate, 5430 had 100 Mbps plans. TPG also landed itself in hot water – almost all of the 8000 customers it was required to compensate were on this speed.

An ACCC spokesman said it was an “industry-wide issue” that service providers were required to take responsibility for.

“Investigations into other retail service providers selling NBN broadband plans are continuing, and the ACCC will take enforcement action if we consider that they are not delivering on their promises to customers,” he said.

Telstra, Optus and TPG still provide a 100 Mbps option, but are required to speed-test lines within four weeks of activation and give customers options if they are not achieving the speeds they have paid for – this includes downgrading them to a lower speed plan.

Telstra’s budget brand Belong, which was also mentioned in the enforceable undertaking it entered into with the ACCC in November, does not advertise 100 Mbps speeds to FTTN and FTTB customers.

It's understood new plans being introduced in mid-2018 should offer discounts on both products, with discussions currently underway with telcos.

I am holding on to my precious 100mbits telstra cable.  Alot of the neighbors reports poorer connection on NBN.

We've slipped to 55th behind Kazakhstan 

Grendel wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 11:59am:


Distance and copper - nothing else.

I have 100/40 fttp and hope everyone else will get the sane connection.

Nbn are changing the cvc equation but the mtm is a failure.

12 month delays on hfc haven’t helped either - as has the 250,000 hfc and fttn service class 0 premises.

The lnp stuffed it

Grendel wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 6:20pm:

Which experts?

None of what you’ve posted is factual, it’s all partisan b.s.

Look at nbns own financial report - it shows what a train wreck it is.

no one who is involved in designing networks or understands the technology supports fttn or hfc.

Next you’ll be saying 5g outdated fttp - when anyone with any technical knowledge knows it needs a fibre network to work properly.

How can the rollout for hfc be faster when no connections are being added???

What section of I.t do you work in?

The hfc network sure is working out for us.....

The way people whinge about the NBN, I must be the only Australian happy with the way NBN has worked for me. I get a Terabyte of downloads per month. Not that I could use up the 200GB of downloads I was allowed before the upgrade. I now have access to the home wifi. Before then, I was given the 500MB per month on my mobile.

Considering how I was only allowed a 1GB download limit for my dialup in 2006, I am very happy with how things are going with my internet usage. Movies, games, forums, etc. I think Telstra has done well.

Gee Blackday's NBN rave has been banished to the back room.